Accuracy in Media

Several readers have asked if I would educate them on the reasons why Sunnis and Shiites hate each other as they do… as if I were an authority on Islam.

Conservatives and Republicans don’t hate liberals and Democrats, but liberals and Democrats hate conservatives and Republicans.  I understand all that and the reasons for it, but Sunnis and Shiites? That’s another matter entirely.

I have always assumed that Sunnis and Shiites fought and killed each other for approximately the same reason that Irish Protestants and Catholics fought and killed each other… the same reason that there are ten or more different varieties of Baptists—enough, at times, to have three or four Baptist churches at a single highway intersection.

However, since I have always wondered myself about Sunnis and Shiites, and especially since we have troops in harm’s way and Islamic fundamentalists have threatened to kill all of us, I thought I’d take a look to see if I could find some answers that might make sense.

Sunnis constitute the large majority (90 percent) of the 1.4 billion Muslims in the world.  They reside primarily in Asia, the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent, North and East Africa, and more recently, in Western Europe and North America. 

The word “Sunni” is derived from the Arabic word “Sunnah,” which means, roughly, “customary practices,” and refers to the oral history and traditions of what the Prophet Muhammad said or did during his lifetime.  Sunnis regard themselves, as opposed to Shiites, as the “keepers of the true faith.”

Shiites, a distinct minority in the Muslim world, comprise some 89% of Iran’s population and 60% of the Iraqi population.  They are also a majority in Yemen, Azerbaijan, and Bahrain, and there are sizeable Shiite communities along the east coast of Saudi Arabia and in Lebanon.  The Lebanese guerilla organization, Hezbollah, is Shiite.

Shiites are descended from Muhammad’s daughter, Fatima, and his son-in-law, Ali.  In the years that followed Ali’s assassination in 661 A.D., leadership of Islam was claimed by the Ummayad dynasty, a Sunni sect.  Nevertheless, Ali’s followers continued to claim his son, Hussein, the Third Imam, as the rightful heir.  After years of bitter dispute, Hussein and his Shia followers migrated north from the Arabian Peninsula into Iraq.

In 680 A.D. Hussein found himself surrounded by Ummayad forces at Karbala, in present day Iraq.  With only a handful of supporters to defend him, Hussein and 72 of his men were captured and beheaded, and their women taken captive.  The battle was a defining moment in the split between Sunnis and Shiites.

Ashoura, the holiest day of the Muslim calendar, marks the martyrdom of Hussein at Karbala.  To this day, Shiites celebrate Ashoura by flagellating themselves with chains and slashing their bodies with swords in grief over Hussein’s death.  And they’ve never forgotten who it was that beheaded him.

Sunnis and Shiites lived in relative harmony for nearly a millennium and few challenged the Sunni assumption of superiority.  However, with the coming of modern communications and transportation, the drawing of national boundaries, and the establishment of major cities, Sunnis and Shiites were suddenly thrown together in close proximity and memories of old unsettled scores resurfaced.

Many of today’s most militant Islamic terror cells, including the Taliban and al-Qaeda, are members of a fundamentalist Sunni sect called Wahhabi.  Since the earliest days, Wahhabis have been particularly hostile toward the Shiites.  During the early 19th century, Wahhabis attacked and destroyed Shiite shrines at Mecca, Medina, and Karbala, accusing the Shiites of worshipping idols.

In 2004, a Kuwaiti sheikh, Hamed al-Ali, condemned Shia as “the world’s biggest display of heathens and idolatry,” while the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al Zarqawi, once said that “the Shiites are a more pernicious enemy than the Americans, and the best strategy for… Sunnis is to ‘strike their religious, military, and other cadres.’ ”  The Saudis still maintain official discrimination against Shiites and vilify them in children’s textbooks.

Then, just as I thought I was beginning to gain a little understanding of Islam I stumbled onto a discussion of “The Twelve Imams” and I noted that, between 600 and 900 A.D., ten of Shia’s first twelve Imam’s died of food poisoning.  Then I heard of a Wisconsin Muslim who gouged out both of his wife’s eyes because she refused to obey him.  Under Sharia law, that is his right.  And then we hear of insurgents in Iraq carrying children in the back seat of explosives-packed automobiles so that they can pass through American and Iraqi checkpoints before blowing them up… children and all

So what’s the point of studying any further?  How could 21st century Christians and Jews ever make any sense of that?

The original article can be found at http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/



Comments

  • joe the plumber

    fair and balanced? I think you need to check your scale. You lost me at: Conservatives and Republicans don’t hate Democrats and Liberals. Really?

  • bilal

    all the muslim countries governments are corrupt and it is the western governments that are controling them we muslims need the return of an islamic state (kilafa)

  • Drew

    Thanks for all the information. I’m not sure why you had to add all the stuff at the end or at the beginning… I mean haven’t we seen Christians also commit atrocities, the Oslo mass murderer, or Timothy McVeigh… I don’t really approve barbarism in any form. That’s why I’d like to see a peaceful exit from Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, and Somalia.

  • Brian

    Let old hates die. Getting revenge is pointless. Because the people you hurt anew then go out for revenge and hurt people you love and friends and family of those do the same. It never ends until one side is dead. And considering how you muslims breed (no offense meant) its not going to stop in this Millennium.

    Just stop fighting and focus on something more important like THIS PLANET!!!! Your religion becomes pointless if you have world in which to preach on!

  • Brian

    Your religion becomes pointless if you don’t have world in which to preach on!

    Grammer error 🙁

  • sarah

    nice article to explain the difference between shias’and sunnis’.
    but let me know the source from which you quoted ” Wisconsin Muslim who gouged out both of his wife’s eyes because she refused to obey him. Under Sharia law, that is his right. “!!!!!!!
    do not quote unreliable,unacceptable facts about Islam! for your information let me tell you this,a Muslim wife is allowed to divorce her husband under unbearable circumstances,she’s allowed to take decisions over her life-partner,she’s allowed to be educated,she has given enough rights to serve herself on this earth!! so if you have any idea of writing another article about Islam go study the Quran and the prophet mohammed’s sunna.

  • Stephen Marton

    How did the religious differences lead to conflict in Afghanistan?

  • maes

    Alghaeda is an wahabism group it has nothing related to sunni and shia or Islam! they are created by hands of Saudies alley of USA and all of them are players of dirty games of secret agencies.
    swear to what ever you believe and do not believe ! all God religions are of one nature and they have no fight unless the world evil powers want to show that like this.
    the real jews believe that Jesus will be born in Jerusalem and the real christians think that he will return back there and also muslims also believe in his returning and that he is alive.
    so all are common in the only God and a messenger called jesus that all are waiting for it.

  • Dom Parnino

    You sound a little bigoted to me. Dont know why people cant grow out of this hatred for a minority group mentality. Blacks or Latinos or Muslims or Middle Easterners or Asians, always got to be an enemy. An enemy everyone can biasedly pry on and abuse. What happened to us? The ‘Real’ Americans? 
    Good article though, I have to give props where props are due, thanks for the info.
    I hope one day you will grow out of your bigoted ideology.

  • Randytrey

    Agree with Dom. Good article, ignorant mindstate. Although the info could be a little better.
    I live in New York with friends of all races and religions. All proud Americans. While the O Rielys of the world talk their ignorant ‘Moslem’ hate, we as everyday people get looked down upon. He makes me ashamed of being Irish.

  • Bucktoothmonkey

    Yeah and then we got America were people walk into movie theaters and gun down dozens…

  • chris87654

    Best reasons yet I’ve seen for foreigners to bug out of the situation. Muslims have to work this stuff out on their own. And I highly disagree that conservatives don’t hate liberals – they also classify anyone “left” of them as a liberal and hate them too. I wish we could all work together to improve the country – let extremists on both ends move somewhere where they can whine about and criticize each other (Newt’s moon colony would be a good place) and let mature minds cooperate and brainstorm.

  • styants64

    Give me Jesus any day as he spoke he said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me ie Jesus, Islam is spirit less where as Jesus god left us with us the holy spirit all of us those the search for within their heart they will find him, and do not recite the history of christianity and its crimes it and they where acting outside the love and life of Lord Jesus Christ,

  • What a stupid comment.

  • MrEthiopian

    Great write-up till this point – “So what’s the point of studying any further? How could 21st century Christians and Jews ever make any sense of that?”

    To find the root of the problem and change it, or use it to our advantage. Till then we America will never win this battle, understanding the history and finding a solution would be the most decisive weapon in a conflict that has raged since 680AD, that has needlessly cost America the deaths of thousands of our most precious resource American people.

    MrEthiopian

  • Yudha

    Shia isn’t moslem,do you know why,they killing sunni people in suriah,iran,iraq,yaman?there’s not because they where sunni,but because they are Islam.Shia was made by Abdullah bin Saba,he’s a jews who’s pretending to be Islam.Just see what they did to moslem,torturing,killing,descapitating,dismembering,also raping a moslem,They where cruel,sadistic,more than Jews in palestina,they alway’s sayying that Israeli and america was they’r enemies,but did you saw any missil,or even a bullet com from shia to america and Israel?just browse the internet and you’ll see Ahmadinejad was very close with Jews rabi,Hizbulloh??where are they when Israeli bombing Gaza yesterday???Hizbulloh (or we called them Hizbusy syaithon because they are didn’t deserve to be Hizbulloh),are shia.Hamas are Muslim.

  • Yup, that’s when I stopped reading. The author is obviously an ignorant partisan.

  • blade

    The human race is really screwed up,it’s not only the Sunni and the Shiites that are messed up look at the Chinese,Koreans,Japanese,everybody hates everybody,this world is one Big freak show,so sad that the humans have gone mad.

  • Atheist

    ^Only slightly stupider than the average sandmonkey

  • secular hindu

    Sounds informative. but many question do arise when I think of sects and sub sects in islam. I have always believed that hinduism is the only religion to have so many sub sects/caste, ironically even islam does. who are the most conservative sect amongst these two, shia or sunni?

  • Hassan

    sunni people are born from yazeed they are borned from different fathers that why they are jelouse of us iwant to fuck all sunnis

  • Hassan

    sunnis think that they are true about ther believers iwant to tell you that umer abubakar and usman are actually kafirs till40 years they accepted islam because they have no other way to show themselves and everything was going from their hands and they were discussing about khilafat when Our prophet SAW has died and after the kabar kushai they says nauzobillah that open the funeral again we want to see this

  • Robbie

    Well I am glad I don’t believe there is any god, a muslim one or christian/jew one. It all sounds too complicated to me. After all there must be a truth of how mankind came to be, give me evolution theory any day and leave the so called gods out of it. Mankind would be much better of without any religion at all full stop.

  • Chook

    Could not agree more. As an Australian working in mainly Islamic countries for over 30 years, the sheer magnitude of the author’s ignorance is staggering. Thank God I am an atheist.

  • Chook

    Argelia, I truly wish i had written your post. Quite simply the most sensible thing I have read in decades.

  • buddah

    whats wrong with u. go to a hospital

  • E tastic

    To be determined. Extreme flapping of either wing of a bird will make it turn in circles… ~E~ Armchair Tao

  • E tastic

    It is called “A Rule of Thumb”. I do agree that human conscience is important. You raise a red flag in my mind when you state: “I TYPE IN ALL CAPS/CAPSLOCK!”. I very much hope that the “citizens of the world of this generation” and blah blah blah. Can learn. as a rool of thump. tie-peeng in a-hal caps tis not dee weigh 2 go.
    ~E~

    That is a soft A in “a-hal”

  • E tastic

    @ Chook…
    Thank God that I (don’t believe in God) am an Atheist? Agnostic seems better.

  • E tastic

    People will stop understanding that there is God when they lose all faith. Thank goodness!!! The human race still practices faith. Thank God (not an A, and, or The) you have faith in your quest for being you: Running, recycling, organ singing parental unit for an adopted dog type of person. That is your discretion. Either way, you have faith in your “beliefs” . That is what makes us all very, very, very special!
    ~E~

  • E tastic

    There is/are no “guys” in human beings. Where are the Y’s?

  • nodhimmi

    there is no such thing as good moslem, the only good moslem is a dead moslem, some of you ppl are so ignorant, the so called pseudo secularists and liberals, just read the koran and you will know why i say this, islam is not a religion, its an political ideology, the sole objective of islam is world supremacy and subjugation of all other religions.

  • Rizvi

    “Then I heard of a Wisconsin Muslim who gouged out both of his wife’s eyes because she refused to obey him. Under Sharia law, that is his right. ”

    Where are your sources? A for effort, F for the essay. False accusations, your opinion. The conclusion was horrible. At least Shia’s do not commit suicide bombings like the Sunni/Wahabbi’s. My source, AL QAEDA. 🙂

  • “Conservatives and Republicans don’t hate liberals and Democrats, but liberals and Democrats hate conservatives and Republicans.”
    I think that’s a pretty biased and uninformed statement. I’m sure you will find plenty of conservatives who hate Liberals and vice versa. And to put off the Muslim conflicts as adolescent, or confusing to to the Judeo/Christian ideology because of ‘Muslim absurdity’ denotes a bit of prejudice on your part. The Muslims have ravished the world no more than any other ideology. There’s blood on everyones’ hands and nobody gets a free pass. Not Jews, not Christians or any other religion that has exploited persecuted or committed genocide in the name of ANY god. My god is better than your god? My ideology is superior to yours? Read a little about the Carcassians and their Sunni influences. Their belief system is quite noninvasive to their social functions.I respectfully feel that this article was a bit “colored” and biased.

  • Bob B

    Paul – good description. The bottom-line is that the answer is: “they hate each other in modern times as a result of something that took place 1,500 years ago and they have never moved on. And, it is their duty to continue to avenge the ancient ‘wrongs’ for what seemingly is forever”.

    A pretty sad state if you ask me. Groups that have their feet stuck in the concrete of the past will never move further and will, forever, stay mired in this.

    Take away – who the heck really knows why they hate each other today.

  • ya heard me

    Lack of “Religion” doesn’t solve anything either. Take a look at Communist China (as in beyond the media, and into the lives of the people) then come back. HUMANS have evil tendencies that will never go away *period*

  • Old goat

    I try to keep it simple and live by a Christ saying of forgive and you will be forgiven, don’t judge and you won’t be judged . it is a lot easier than trying to figure out all these other problems.

  • Khaled

    Thanks for the article indeed and the study, but before anything I must correct you in this part: “Then I heard of a Wisconsin Muslim who gouged out both of his wife’s eyes because she refused to obey him. Under Sharia law, that is his right”. No it’s not his right and it’s not under Sharia law!

    Regarding the differences between sunnah and shia, I’m a sunni and I don’t hate shia at all, they are my brothers. We both testify that there’s no God but Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is the messenger of Allah and we share the five pillars of Islam, this is the most important thing. Of course, you’ll find some “outsiders”, people who didn’t understand their religion’s teaching and just spread hate and sedition, I think these people exists in every religion or even any group! Besides, you find the media, as usual, is focusing always on the differences between people rather than the similarities and filling people’s hearts with hate and corruption, and only ignorant people buy it.

    Bottom line is, in Quran you don’t find any verse that says be sunni or be shia, it’s only be a Muslim. And what does a Muslim means? It means that you surround to the creator, obey him, spread peace, love and good deeds and fight only the people who spread the evil and corruption in earth.

    Away from the subject, as a Muslim, I denounce and reject any attacks on innocent people anywhere in the world, for God’s sake guys stop focusing on people who are trying to distort this religion even if they are Muslims. Just take two or three days and read the Quran translated in your language, don’t read it randomly just read several chapters from the beginning to the end, you must READ and understand the true teachings of this book and don’t let the media control your mind, just read and search by yourself to know the truth.

  • vigorousatheist

    “Conservatives and Republicans don’t hate liberals and Democrats, but liberals and Democrats hate conservatives and Republicans.”

    Probably the most untrue and silliest thing ever said on the internet. And that’s saying something…

  • Sanathan Dharma

    Divinity existed for billions of years and will continue to exist and its irony that these ignorant people fight over so their narrow definition of God based on religion created 1000 or 2000 years old.. Whereas in Indian spirituality a term Sanathan Dharma which means no beginning no end to divine consciousness…

    Swami Vivekanand had mentioned as all rivers/tributaries flow into Sea and Ocean all worships in any way, form, non violent practice reach the ultimate divine…

    Infinite Space and Time and how come there only Son of God and Messenger of God happen to take birth 1000 years back on planet earth… Considering age and space of universe 1000 years back would be just fraction moment back…

    Wake up all…..

  • Daniel

    Fact: Shiites and Christians live together in peace. May all people live in peace together like we did in the middle east 100 years ago before america did not cause trouble, trying to take our riches. Jews, Christians and Muslims ALL lived together happily. And Hezbollah is not a terrorist organisation, when israel attacks Lebanon they defend. They are Shiite and live with Christians peacefully. I am proud to be Lebanese Christian.

  • chris87654

    ” Conservatives and Republicans don’t hate liberals and Democrats, but liberals and Democrats hate conservatives and Republicans. ”

    Hence anything else by this guy should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Basically Sunnis and Shiites still kill each other because of a feud that started over who was right to succeed Muhammad. Very similar to the American feud between the Hatfields and McCoys which really got going after there was a dispute about a stolen pig.

  • chris87654

    I assume this guy is a “conservative”. He will likely consider me a liberal because don’t agree with this.

  • chris87654

    You people need to separate yourselves from your terrorists. You are one as brothers… praise Allah (who promises in the Christian bible that those who don’t separate themselves from evil will be swallowed in the earth together [sound familiar with what’s happening today?]). Muhammad’s big mistake in Islam (I assume it was a mistake and not intentional because nutcase Jihadists are ultimately the defenders of Islam because so many are weak/passive/don’t care/afraid to stop the violence in Islam) was not allowing anyone to be thrown out of Islam for violence – they can only be thrown out if they blaspheme against Islam which is hard to define when some nutcase imam in Pakistan says it’s un-Islamic for women to be educated and issues a fatwa (hit contract) to shoot a 14 year old girl in the head.

    The Catholics finally took action against their pedophile priests, and Mormons (long ago) separated from those who practice polygamy which (I think) is why they call it the REORGANIZED Church. Islam needs to reorganize itself and separate the peaceful from the violent (unless, as said, the violence is necessary to defend Islam against the boogey man – in which case NO Muslim has a right to whine about being grouped together with the terrrorists).

  • chris87654

    Right. We leave it up to God to judge those who burn or whiz on bibles. We’re not going to kill each other over it….

  • chris87654

    Simply said, some people have to hate.

  • chris87654

    Not sure if completely accurate. Sometimes they throw acid in faces, stone them, beat them, etc. It’s all kind of blurry as far as which sect does this. Main thing is much in Islam is barbaric and sometimes that garbage gets dragged into non-Muslim countries..

  • chris87654

    tell it like it is Abu.

  • chris87654

    Never thought about that – it’s just like in Islam except it doesn’t happen every week or month.

  • chris87654

    So Mo… educate me. Why are Sunnis and Shiites blowing each other up every week or two?

  • GfromDallas

    Asked to answer a simple question and you take shots at every major religion. Wow! What a good reporter!

  • Mike

    You claim that you don’t hate, yet you deem Sharon and Zaraqawi the same? That’s madness! They’re nothing alike!

  • Steingetsir

    Cheers for the info. Reading the comments below highlights people are still confused that its all about what religion you are born into. It’s Not!! It’s all about education. Not just your typical maths and science, but education about humanity. Those that can show kindness to all living things are far superior than any extreme religious person with an IQ of 140.
    Peace to all. In Bono’s words Coexist!!

  • powerofone

    Yours is just the kind of thinking that causes everyone to fight about what is the true religion? Your ideas are just as crazy as the Muslims or the Jews or whatever religion you chose to believe in. What do you think all these wars over the centuries have been about. Each side thinks their views are the true views and everyone else is going to hell. It is sickening and we must move past this or we will end up destroying the planet.

  • Guest

    I stumbled upon this article while searching for ‘sunni-shia hatred’.
    Your entire article is full of grossly incorrect statements. First of all, Islam does not call for the death of all non-Muslims (just the ones who attack us), (the American soldiers on our soil for example deserve death).
    Second of all, the sect Shia is an attempt to derail the true message of Islam. The Shias are considered the worst form of heretics in Islam. They are a threat to Islam, we Sunnis (they call us Wahhabis) despise them from the core of our hearts.

    Despite that we ‘Wahhabis’ tolerate them in our countries when we are in power. However when the Rafidas (Shias) are in power, for example in Iran, they terrorize innocent Sunni Muslims. In fact there is not a SINGLE sunni Mosque in Iran.
    After watching videos on the internet on the mass deaths of innocent Syrian Sunni civilians, I have come to the conclusion, that while the ‘clear’ enemies of Islam are contempt with putting a bullet through the Sunni’s head. But with the Rafidas, its a different story, they would rather dismember you, skin you, flay you, gouge your eyes out before your soul finally escapes your body. Just look at the internet videos on how we are murdered. These people are sick. They pull fetuses out of women’s bellies and then brutally murder the babies. They rape female infants, then kill them. They are the true evil. Just look at Syria.
    I saw a video where after killing a man, they cut out his testicles and penis. These are the Shias. The Sunnis are prohibited to mutilate bodies.
    But to the Non-Muslim westerner, the Shias are your allies. Their religion is one based on lies. Its ever evolving, ever changing, its more in line with your pathetic standards and morals. While the Sunni religion(Wahhabi or whatever you call us) does not change. Are laws, our rules do not change.

    Conclusion: The Shias are a heretic group to be avoided. They are the enemies of Humanity and Islam.

  • H D Dunn-Barr

    I wonder if soon these Islamic immigrants to the USA will start to exact the tribal violence upon each other as their numbers grow here. While most immigrant groups have come here to live peacefully there have been terrible exceptions i.e. the treatment of Africans as slaves for 400 years of American history. Also, for almost 100 years the Irish were unwelcome and detested. These Islamic groups (Shia and Sunni) so far haven’t turned to violence as they do everyday i.e. burning Mosques and blowing up large numbers of people with car bombs. Does this author think that a civil war among these tribes of Islam will turn on each other as they do in most of the countries where they live. Also, how powerful is the Islamic Brotherhood in communities in big USA cities i.e. Detroit and Chicago?

  • Steve

    If you could prove that there was no God, you could claim that. But you can’t, so don’t. The truth is nobody knows, and that lends credibility to ALL religions. It also makes them all seem equally ridiculous, too. Pick one, make one up, whatever, just don’t use it as an excuse to hurt/oppress/exploit other human beings.
    It’s not religion thats at fault, it’s people. People will ALWAYS find a reason to kill each other.

  • Gary

    You have the right to demand proof. All those who choose to worship a deity should first demand proof of that Gods existence. A book, whether Quran or Bible etcetera is in no way proof of existence. If the all powerful God does not supply absolute physical proof by appearing before you and other then be skeptical. Mankind is being grossly misled by stories written 1600 to 2000 years ago by people whose intent was to gain control over others. Please think and demand proof.
    Furthermore, stories were passed verbally from person to person for at least 200 years before anything was written down. As with stories today, the stories back then were also exaggerated as they passed through twenty generations.
    Think. For the sake of mankind,

  • -_-

    people plz stop fighting… its wrong. i mean look if you want to know about muslims then ask muslims, not some dude who hasnt even seen the quran. we sunnis and shias fight but not all of us do. some of my bestfriends are shias and we dont care whos what. and look if a persons muslime, jew, atheist, christian, hindu or what ever he/she is still a human there is no biological difference. we are all equal.

  • Samuel

    if you were to follow your 2nd part in the comment (be an overall good person and respect other people) dont you think insulting everyone who believes in a higher being is being slightly hypocritical? Maybe trying to make the world a better place doesn’t involve you trying to make christians and such sound like idiots?
    The new Catholic pope is so far an amazing person, and much of it has to do with his beliefs in Christianity (treating people like basic human beings). Sometimes, people realize there are things much bigger than them and are worth giving their lives for. It is how they are raised and how they will always be. The killing is what they believe is right, because others are opposed to the biggest things in their lives and they must do it because they believe in it with all their heart and mind and soul.

    There is also arrogance in this world, but Christians who spread the word are just really trying to spread the word of God so that you dont end up in hell according to their beliefs. They dont want to have people burn in fire for all eternity, so saving you from it is a good thing that is also an obligation as a christian.

    You have some truth to the first part, when you said that some men use it to control others. It was practiced a lot by churches who used to make people pay to help them. However in some religions, I dont see anybody being controlled to do something they would rather not do. And many find an immense sense of purpose, maturity, and mostly happiness. Now unless you can argue YOUR beliefs on religion with the billions who have died for theirs, I suggest stopping the posts about how all of religion is stupid and pointless. I know, that this is all really annoying having to read this whole thing, but i always feel a little more depressed to see posts that try to change people in the wrong way (especially if they’re saying not to)

    Have a nice day and please dont get the message that I want you to agree with me, I just hope to provide a little something to think about

  • Samuel

    this is brilliant mostly because you’re not telling us that things we believe in are lies, but to be who we are, and that everyone is different.

  • Samuel

    i wish more people saw this and upvoted it. We cant pretend to know everything about everyone because we just dont and trying to unravel it all is an endeavor that will never be accomplished.

  • Robert

    I believe in a 5 legged spaghetti monster who lives in my wheelie bin but alas he is invisible so I can’t get you a photograph. Nevertheless, he is real as I speak to him several times a day and each night I pray to him that I may wake up every morning and he answers those prayers. And if you need irrefutable proof – I asked him last month to send me a sign and he did this by sending a small spider into my home as a messenger. I call him Crawler. No.. Not the spider, my god the spaghetti monster and before I die I will write a book documenting Crawlers messages to me which will be passed on through generations and this book I will call Biboran. Eternal proof of the great God – Crawler (blessed be thou mighty 5 legged Lord) ….

  • Enough Already!

    OMG! Why me Lord?

  • Afsane Jomung

    Shia is true Islam and because Sunnis has nothing to say in debate with Shia they allow and command to kill Shia. But none of Shia’s leaders made the permission to kill Sunnis they tell Shia that we should be united with Sunnis as Imam Khamenei says always.

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  • dotnhack

    The Christians and Jews are no better. The only way to fix that is for people to stop believing in these primitive myths

  • Alexander WJ

    we’re always going to fight… and we’re always going to have religion. You wanting religion wiped out is just as probable going to cause the next genocide as those who want xyz as the one true faith. Religion is more than a text and a list of rules.. religion is a community, a commonality, a culture. Atheists aren’t so because they’re smarter than everyone else and figured out the ‘truth’, atheists are atheists because they don’t fit in with that culture/community. And it sickens you to see others welcomed into that group day in and day out.

    Religion causes wars as often as any other source of pride, whether it be of a nation, a lifestyle, or just plain old money.

  • LD

    As an ex-Muslim even I found ‘gorging the eyes’ being Sharia-compliant to be preposterous. It was so unbelievable that it was actually comical.

    Although I’ve left the faith, let’s not misstate things. I second Fawad’s explanation.

  • GODabove09

    The author of this piece is quite right about the senseless, unimaginable barbarism that is deemed justified in Islam. If the Sunni can’t satisfy their bloodlust killing Jews or Christians they will kill Buddhist monks or Secular progressives, if they can’t get to them they’ll gleefully murder the Shia, and then if all of those are unavailable they will justify and sanctify the murder of other Sunni. Ones they see as unfit to call themselves as such. You see this is the essence of the philosophy they adhere to…murder, death, savage bloodletting isn’t just necessary, to be expected, but it is to be celebrated. It is the purest form of Islamic obedience to slit throats in the name of Allah, guided by the moral code of a child rapist and a bandit. A common thief, who led by example and decapitated for sport, for psychological effect and for good old fashioned anti Semitism. For such a large, belligerent, vocal minority of this “religion” to be so callous, so devoid of any human empathy or warmth is troubling, to say the least. I see nothing spiritual, nothing exemplary, nothing remotely good and decent about this way of life. If Allah really glorifies in the deeds they commit, in his name, if it pleased Allah to see them behave like savages, if that is the creator that is up there I feel so sad that it is that like that. I see God as love, of compassion and forgiveness. A God who glories in our technological progress and our charitable deeds, who glances at a distance like a proud parent as their child takes their first steps unaided and unnoticed. How can God want a group of cutthroat beasts to blow up babies, to behead captives, to belittle and denean woman, to murder, murder, murder, all it ever is is murder. May they go to hell for eternity…

  • GODabove09

    The absurdity of religion summed up beautifully. Spirituality, belief in a Creator, and organized religion that creates conflict and violence, such as the Sunni Shia nonsense, are two completely different things. I feel it is like comparing the Sistine chapel (a Creator) with a fingerpaintimg by a child (organized religion). One is sublime, beautiful, timeless, the other simplistic, ordinary and a sign of immaturity. I hope that if there is a Creator he/she/it wants us to stop looking up to him/her/it for guidance and stand on our own two feet. Humanity can solve all the problems we face, war, starving kids, corruption, injustice, without any help. It is all within our grasp. That is what a benevolent Creator would want, in my humble opinion. Not a pitiful, fawning subservience. As if God needs our worship to feel special!! Like God has an ego that needs flattering? How ridiculous…

  • GODabove09

    Unfortunately asking a Muslim about Islam is a pointless exercise. Every other Muslim has a different perspective, one says this, the other says that. One imam says something is ok, another it isn’t ok. Terrorists claim to be pure Muslims following the only TRUE, pure Islam, while others say they have a poor understanding of the Qu’ran. Some Sunni say Shia are not real Muslims, some say the are. One Imam will say Islam has no compunction for women to wear a full veil, or forcibly convert others, or to wear a beard…yet another Imam will tell you the exact opposite. In short, for an unbiased, clear cut answer to the real truth of Islam without convenient interpretations by corrupted preachers the only real choice is to ask an educated outsider. Meaning a non Muslim. Anything else will either be a lie, a misenterpretation or a cynical ploy to corrupt.

  • Nokilissa

    Me too… I actually read it twice to make sure I’d taken it in correctly. Next I wondered if this was an Onion-ish piece. It wasn’t.

  • Timij

    Why are people so unkind to each other?

  • Bill

    They aren’t saying to wipe out all religion. Their saying. to this ONE person, to get over their horrible views on religion. Religion is ok, some people need it in their life. but people who act like its an untouchable truth and want to speak out against the others start big problems. If someone went and started a “genocide” because you misinterpreted someones comment as wanting all religions wiped out ( thats not what they were saying) i’d definitely point my finger at the person justifying their actions with a comment from aim.org just like we should do with the individuals who use religion to justify their immoral actions. What Powerofone said is right and to deny it and not speak about it just because wars are caused by “any other source of pride” Is ridiculous.

  • Gina

    Religion is the underlying cause of many wars and much separatism in the world today. I am not religious , no organised religion anyway. I sit back in Australia and am amazed at the carnage caused by Islamic extremists in the world. It’s bizarre to a reasonable human. I wonder how any of this will be solved at all. I can make sense of insanity. I hope we never have this imported to Australia . There is enough tension with the mixed bag of races we have already.
    My brother who passed away, always said, there was a good reason the Muslims and Christians were separated by vast amounts of water.
    I take all people as they come and judge them only on their behaviour not background, but I can’t help but agree that nature decided we should be seperated by water.

  • David Keith

    “Conservatives and Republicans don’t hate liberals and Democrats, but liberals and Democrats hate conservatives and Republicans.” LOL, what an idiotic thought.

  • Paul

    @Fawad, thanks for your contributions. I believe you speak the truth and its good others are painted very bad while you are perfect. Let me ask you, do Shia kill Christains or all those you consider infidel or not? If yes why? If God is displeased with anyone belief cannt God destoy mankind, he did it before according to Noah, why are muslims acting God by judging who live and who die, your response is more appreciated.

  • Mohammed

    Brother let us assume, if Muslims kill infidels. How come there be 1.5 billion Muslims on earth? All of whom were either themselves infidels or their ancestors were.
    How could Islam spread from a single person had it have legitimated killing of the infidels. After all everybody was infidel at that time. Which meant everybody should have been dead.
    These are the common misconceptions that have been spread to defame Islam.

    Somebody above talked about God’s appearance: that he should appear before mankind to prove his existence.
    Well, if he shows up, I believe not a single person with remain on earth who’d not accept him as his maker.
    Life is a test. You are sent here to prove your faith. God’s appearance is just like distributing the answer key. And hell! Everybody has passed irrespective of their preparations.

  • Dave Smith

    This pretty much describes Islam as the way it is.
    I completely agree with this articles views.

  • Dianne Daraitis Rothenbuehler

    Well Robbie, you will soon find out if God is real or not as you will have one more chance before having to choose heaven or hell. If you die before that chance, all hope is lost. Choose Jesus and live.

  • Dianne Daraitis Rothenbuehler

    Styants is right on. And you will soon find out if Jesus is real or not as you will have to choose to live or die. I just pray you have time…

  • Dianne Daraitis Rothenbuehler

    If you read Psalm 83 it said long ago that Iran and those surrounding Israel would want Israel wiped off the map. Sound familiar? Soon Isis will be over there but good luck to them. LIttle David conquered a giant and won lol.

  • Dianne Daraitis Rothenbuehler

    Everyone is different and everyone changes. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

  • Mike Melgaard

    Oh great.. one of these again.

  • Dianne Daraitis Rothenbuehler

    Go ahead and mock but remember me when you stand in front of your maker lol. Good luck with that.

  • Cognizant Ape

    I want point out that the common rhetoric about infidels in Islam gives them the choose to *either* convert, pay fines or be killed. Given that ultimatum and the fact that apostasy carries a sentence of death it is not surprising that the religion has spread so much.

  • Cognizant Ape

    I love the sentiment but this is just a play on the word faith.

    Though I do think that the same passion that sparks religion also sparks healthy notions of community and “one-ness”

  • Cognizant Ape

    Actually you are mocking Mike and Robbie right back by completely ignoring the possibility you could be wrong and phrasing your response with the assumption that they will pay for not beleiving.

    I am an atheist and I am just as sure of the non-existence of god as you are of his/her existence and I cant help but to phrase some rebuttals with the assumption that you are just dead wrong. So I’m not saying I am holier than thou. 😉

    But I did want to point out the difference between the extremist Christian attitude towards non-believers (not saying you are extreme) and the extremist Muslim attitude towards non-believers.

    Christians: “if you don’t believe you will pay the price on judgement day or when you die!”

    Muslims: “if you don’t believe I* will make you pay the price right now! And your choice is pay me fines or die!”

    Note that the latter is quite similar to the mafia: “join us, pay us money for no reason or die, your choice”.
    Whereas the former sounds more like they are trying to sell you salvation.

    I guess it makes sense why Islam means “Submission” in Arabic and Christians always speak of salvation .

  • Dianne Daraitis Rothenbuehler

    But I’m not wrong

    From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.

    ——– Original message ——–

  • Hubert Yerass

    “Conservatives and Republicans don’t hate liberals and Democrats, but liberals and Democrats hate conservatives and Republicans.” Completely erroneous statement that immediately invalidated your opinion. This is horrible writing. You don’t get to make such a bold (and false) premise without backing it up. The fact that you did derailed the entire article. Please return to English 1A for a brush-up on your poor argumentation skills.

  • yoseppy

    Shia kill Christians? They are the reason Christians are living. Look at Iraq and the Shia hospitality toward Christians being attacked. They opened one of their most revered shrines to house and shelter Christians. Also, the meaning of infidel or kafir is “someone who covers the truth, knowing and believing that it indeed is the truth.” A Hindu is not a kafir if they don’t believe Islam is the correct religion. But he is a kafir if he believes it is correct wholeheartedly and still rejects it. But this matter can only be detangled by Allah. So, no one has the right to call someone else infidel unless Allah has already said so. In the Quran, infidels are mentioned many times, but people rarely look deeply into the meanings. Infidel is not limited to individuals in other faiths who accept the right but cover it up. Infidel can include Muslims too. There is a verse in the Quran that addresses the kafirs among the polytheists. You might ask, “but I thought all polytheists are kafir?” But alas, the Quran says they are not all kafir. How can we hurt someone who just hasn’t seen or just doesn’t understand? Muslims need to remember that it is better to make a Muslim out of someone rather than straight up killing them. Islam gives life and we should protect that sacred value of Islam. But even then, force or nagging behavior should not be used, because the person will never see the beauty in Islam. From a Shia perspective, people of all faiths can live together in peace without ever converting. Look at the present-day Jews in Iran. There is even a Hindu sect that respects Imam Hussain AS (the third shia imam). In Lebanon, Shia celebrate CHRISTMAS and the Christians celebrate Shia holidays. This propaganda of intolerant Muslims serves a different political agenda that is slowly but surely being revealed by the public.

  • JT

    Well when you stand before Him you may be surprised when you find you’re not well received. Wait guess that really depends on which of the countless religions you choose to practice. I’ve lost count so how many of them are we up to in 2014? Hope you’ve chosen wisely……good luck with that.

  • Di

    Of course I’ll be well recieved. I am born again.

  • Sluke

    I thought it made sense. Republicans don’t run around saying that democrats are racist, hate women, and minorities. That Republicans are going to push granny of the cliff. The Democrats do this kind of fear mongering everyday. You don’t think they are trying to gin up fear and hate in their base? Your wrong.

  • Sluke

    I thought it made sense. Republicans don’t run around saying that democrats are racist, hate women, and minorities. That Republicans are going to push granny of the cliff. The Democrats do this kind of fear mongering everyday. You don’t think they are trying to gin up fear and hate in their base?

  • litibbit4728

    Thank you so much for posting. I believe in my heart that all conflict is born from suffering and the peace that was taken away from any religious group was done when suffering was inflicted. Humans have no drive to cause suffering just for the sake of a religion. It is always something else. Christians have caused suffering, Greedy Capitalists have caused suffering and when conflict arises out of this suffering they blame the religion and not the suffering or the greed that caused it. I appreciate your words very much and I wish you peace. I live in America and I am poor. I am not part of the suffering they cause and I am powerless to prevent them. As a people we need to refuse to be lead by greed and refuse to be separated by prejudice. Your words lend weight to the truth of that.

  • kabayanNOLI

    If the theory of evolution by Darwin is true, how come there are still plenty of apes this time.

  • kabayanNOLI

    If one read and understand the Revelation, wanting to destroy Israel is impossible because in the second coming of Jesus will be in Israel.

  • Lee T

    One day he will come down to us from heaven and straighten every one of us on earth. And then we will know who has the power…Religion or no religion. Time will come . It might not during my time but it will come. Sorry I do not when….I do not want to predict .

  • allah

    my maker will forgive me because he is so caring and just, right?

  • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

    Really? Go figure out why there are still wolves when we have domesticated dogs. Then come back.

  • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

    Di,

    I understand your view. I come from an Evangelical/fundamentalist background.

    Here is a question for you. You get your knowledge about Yahweh and his messiah/human avatar Yashua bin Yosef ( you call him jesus).

    In the late 500 – early 600 A.D. The council of Catherage got together and choose which books were to be considered gospel and which weren’t.

    Later on when King James contracted the KJV of the bible, it was to be done a specific way.

    Knowing that those two events happened, how could you possibly think that the bible is still in it’s original form?

    You don’t know if you are wrong or right. But I will tell you this.

    Just about every atheist/non believer feels this way.

    If I die and indeed your christian god exists, so what? I won’t be afraid nor contrite. I will accuse him of not providing enough information for me to believe in him. What’s worse is that he/it knew from the start that I would end up this way. To judge me evil makes your god immoral.

    Let’s say I was judged and sent to hell. Well then I would only become a solider of hell. Why? I wouldn’t want to spend an eternity with a being that advocated:

    Slavery
    Raped women marrying their rapists
    Genocide of the human species again and again and again.

    What’s worse is you believe your deity to be omniscient. Which means that your particular flavor of god knew before it even created anything, what the outcome will be.

    So according to you, you were already created knowing if you would be damned or not.

    Kind of a sick deity if you ask me.

  • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

    The same god that killed 99.9% of all of mankind. Slaughter the Caanites and Amaleks. Turned innocent people to salt and destroyed innocent members of job family to prove a point.

    Lol. And this is the being you want to spend eternity with? LMMFAO. good luck.

  • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

    There is only one race. Human.

  • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

    wtf?

  • donnie

    PERFECT

  • Donnie

    Well said…plain and simple

  • donnie

    you made me cry beautifully

  • Billy

    Do people ever stop and really read what there believing and teaching to there kids. It’s the 21st century all of these books are just stories from a world that didn’t know anything. But people, we know in our minds if we take a minute and think, that there is no god. I know it’s not easy, but you will feel better when you
    awake. The only reason to believe in god is so your not afraid to die.
    That’s the only benefit.

  • Stephen

    Di, if you have read the old testament, something that all man made religions accept as truthful and is by the way the book of Gods chosen people, the Jews; then you have read the book of Hosea?
    God in his own words said:
    Besides me there is no other savior.
    How do you square Gods words with christianity and it’s need to be saved by Jesus. I’m just asking?
    How do muslims square Gods words with their belief that only by Mohamed’s laws/rules they can be saved.
    One is a supreme being and the others were human born by natural birth like us all were and not of a virgin mother since the original word christians use to claim ‘virgin’ actually means verbatim ‘young girl’.
    I believe even Mohameds family had problems with the pecking order? Mohamed’s followers went one way and his wifes blood went the other?
    Again, just asking. Seems stupid if facts prevail.

  • Stephen

    Why do you use the term Yahweh?
    There are no capital letters, no spaces between words, no punctuation and no vowels in the original Sumerian/Aramaic/Hebrew writings.
    Did someone just ‘assume’ to put vowels in at a later time?
    Could be Yuhwah? Could be Yehwuh? lots of choices.

  • Shabeer Hassan

    MUSLIM-MUSLIM RELATIONSHIP:

    49:9. And if two parties or groups among the believers fall to fighting, then make peace between them both, but if one of them rebels against the other, then fight you (all) against the one that which rebels till it complies with the Command of Allâh; then if it complies, then make reconciliation between them justly, and be equitable. Verily! Allâh loves those who are equitable.
    49: 10. The believers are nothing else than brothers (in Islâmic religion). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allâh, that you may receive mercy.
    49: 11. O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former; nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former, nor defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. How bad is it, to insult one’s brother after having Faith [i.e. to call your Muslim brother (a faithful believer) as: “O sinner”, or “O wicked”, etc.]. And whosoever does not repent, then such are indeed Zâlimûn (wrong-doers, etc.).
    6: 159. Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects), you (O Muhammad SAW) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allâh, Who then will tell them what they used to do.
    30: 32. Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islâmic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid’ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.
    43: 65. But the sects from among themselves differed. So woe to those who do wrong (by ascribing things to ‘Isa (Jesus) that are not true) from the torment of a painful Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)!
    3: 103. And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allâh (i.e. this Qur’ân), and be not divided among yourselves, and remember Allâh’s Favor on you, for you were enemies one to another but He joined your hearts together, so that, by His Grace, you became brethren (in Islâmic Faith), and you were on the brink of a pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus Allâh makes His Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.,) clear to you, that you may be guided.
    3: 104. Let their arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good (Islâm), enjoining Al-Ma’rûf and forbidding Al-Munkar. And it is they who are the successful.
    3: 105. And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment.
    4:92. It is not for a believer to kill a believer except (that it be) by mistake, and whosoever kills a believer by mistake, (it is ordained that) he must set free a believing slave and a compensation (blood money, i.e Diya) be given to the deceased’s family, unless they remit it. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you and he was a believer; the freeing of a believing slave (is prescribed), and if he belonged to a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, compensation (blood money – Diya) must be paid to his family, and a believing slave must be freed. And whoso finds this (the penance of freeing a slave) beyond his means, he must fast for two consecutive months in order to seek repentance from Allâh. And Allâh is Ever All-knowing, All Wise
    9:71. The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma’rûf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); they perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give the Zakât, and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh will have His Mercy on them. Surely Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
    4:93. And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allâh are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him.
    5: 32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!.
    42: 14. And they divided not till after knowledge had come to them, through selfish transgression between themselves. And had it not been for a Word that went forth before from your Lord for an appointed term, the matter would have been settled between them. And verily, those who were made to inherit the Scripture [i.e. the Taurâh (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] after them (i.e. Jews and Christians) are in grave doubt concerning it (i.e. Allâh’s true religion Islâm or the Qur’ân).
    45: 17. And gave them clear proofs in matters [by revealing to them the Taurât (Torah)]. And they differed not until after the knowledge came to them, through envy among themselves. Verily, Your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they used to differ.
    85:10. Verily, those who put into trial the believing men and believing women (by torturing them and burning them), and then do not turn in repentance, (to Allâh), will have the torment of Hell, and they will have the punishment of the burning Fire.
    8: 46. And obey Allâh and His Messenger, and do not dispute (with one another) lest you lose courage and your strength depart, and be patient. Surely, Allâh is with those who are As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.)
    28: 4. Verily, Fir’aun (Pharaoh) exalted himself in the land and made its people sects, weakening (oppressing) a group (i.e. Children of Israel) among them, killing their sons, and letting their females live. Verily, he was of the Mufsidûn (i.e. those who commit great sins and crimes, oppressors, tyrants, etc.)
    30: 32. Of those who split up their religion (i.e. who left the true Islâmic Monotheism), and became sects, [i.e. they invented new things in the religion (Bid’ah), and followed their vain desires], each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.
    42: 13. He (Allâh) has ordained for you the same religion (Islâm) which He ordained for Nûh (Noah), and that which We have inspired in you (O Muhammad SAW), and that which We ordained for Ibrahim (Abraham), Mûsa (Mosesý) and ‘Isa (Jesus) saying you should establish religion (i.e. to do what it orders you to do practically), and make no divisions in it (religion) (i.e. various sects in religion). Intolerable for the Mushrikûn , is that to which you (O Muhammad SAW) call them. Allâh chooses for Himself whom He wills, and guides unto Himself who turns to Him in repentance and in obedience.
    14. And they divided not till after knowledge had come to them, through selfish transgression between themselves. And had it not been for a Word that went forth before from your Lord for an appointed term, the matter would have been settled between them. And verily, those who were made to inherit the Scripture [i.e. the Taurâh (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] after them (i.e. Jews and Christians) are in grave doubt concerning it (i.e. Allâh’s true religion Islâm or the Qur’ân).
    45: 17. And gave them clear proofs in matters [by revealing to them the Taurât (Torah)]. And they differed not until after the knowledge came to them, through envy among themselves. Verily, Your Lord will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they used to differ.
    59: 10. And those who came after them say: “Our Lord! Forgive us and our brethren who have preceded us in Faith, and put not in our hearts any hatred against those who have believed. Our Lord! You are indeed full of kindness, Most Merciful.+
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 823
    Narrated Abu Bakra:
    Once the Prophet brought out Al-Hasan and took him up the pulpit along with him and said, “This son of mine is a Saiyid (i.e. chief) and I hope that Allah will help him bring about reconciliation between two Muslim groups.”
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 122
    Narrated Jarir:
    The Prophet said to me during Hajjat-al-Wida’: Let the people keep quiet and listen. Then he said (addressing the people), “Do not (become infidels) revert to disbelief after me by striking the necks (cutting the throats) of one another (killing each other).”
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 46
    Narrated ‘Abdullah:
    The Prophet said, “Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (an evil doing) and killing him is Kufr (disbelief).” Narrated ‘Ubada bin As-Samit: “Allah’s Apostle went out to inform the people about the (date of the) night of decree (Al-Qadr) but there happened a quarrel between two Muslim men. The Prophet said, “I came out to inform you about (the date of) the night of Al-Qadr, but as so and so and so and so quarrelled, its knowledge was taken away (I forgot it) and maybe it was better for you. Now look for it in the 7th, the 9th and the 5th (of the last 10 nights of the month of Ramadan).”
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6250
    Salim reported on the authority of his father that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: A Muslim is the brother of a fellow-Muslim. He should neither commit oppression upon him nor ruin him, and he who meets the need of a brother, Allah would meet big needs, and he who relieved a Muslim from hardship Allah would relieve him from the hardships to which he would be put on the Day of Resurrection, and he who did not expose (the follies of a Muslim) Allah would conceal his follies on the Day of Resurrection.
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6222
    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The gates of Paradise are not opened but on two days, Monday and Thursday. and then every servant (of Allah) is granted pardon who does not associate anything with Allah except the person in whose (heart) there is rancor against his brother. And it would be said: Look towards both of them until there is reconciliation; look toward both of them until there is reconciliation; look towards both of them until there is reconciliation.
    Muslim :: Book 39 : Hadith 6752
    Jabir reported: I heard Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily, the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshippers would ever worship (him) in the peninsula of Arabia, but he (is hopeful) that he would sow the seed of dissension amongst them.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 64,65,66
    ‘Abdullah b. Amr b. al-As is reported to have said: Verily a person asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) who amongst the Muslims was better. Upon this (the Holy Prophet) remarked: From whose hand and tongue the Muslims are safe.
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6217
    This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A’mash with the same chain of transmit ters (and the words are):” Don’t sever relations of kinship, don’t bear enmity against one another, don’t bear aversion against one another and don’t feel envy against the other and live as fellow-brothers as Allah has commanded you.
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6218
    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Don’t bear aversion against one another and don’t be jealous of one another and be servants of Allah.
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6214 ,16
    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Avoid suspicion[doubt, guessing], for suspicion is the gravest lie in talk and do not be inquisitive about one another and do not spy upon one another and do not feel envy with the other, and nurse no malice, and nurse no aversion and hostility against one another. And be fellow-brothers and servants of Allah.
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6215
    This hadith has been narrated on the authority of A’mash with the same chain of transmit ters (and the words are):” Don’t sever relations of kinship, don’t bear enmity against one another, don’t bear aversion against one another and don’t feel envy against the other and live as fellow-brothers as Allah has commanded you.
    Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 4885
    Narrated AbuHurayrah:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Avoid envy, for envy devours good deeds just as fire devours fuel or (he said) “grass.”
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6208
    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Don’t bear aversion against one another and don’t be jealous of one another and be servants of Allah.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 75,76,78
    It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: He who believes in Allah and the Last Day should either utter good words or better keep silence; and he who believes in Allah and the Last Day should treat his neighbour with kindness and he who believes in Allah and the Last Day should show hospitality to his guest.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 64,65,66
    ‘Abdullah b. Amr b. al-As is reported to have said: Verily a person asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) who amongst the Muslims was better. Upon this (the Holy Prophet) remarked: From whose hand and tongue the Muslims are safe.
    Malik :: Book 47 : Hadith 47.4.14
    Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab from Anas ibn Malik that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, “Do not be angry with each other and do not envy each other and do not turn away from each other, and be slaves of Allah, brothers. It is not halal for a muslim to shun his brother for more than three nights.”
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 720
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6255
    Jabir b. Abdullah reported: We were along with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) in an expedition that a person from amongst the emigrants struck at the back of a person from the Ansir. The Ansiri said: O Ansar! And the Muhijir said: O Emigrants! Thereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: What are these proclamations of the Days of Ignorance? They said: Allah’s Messenger, a person from the emigrants struck at the back of an Ansari, whereupon he said: It is something disgusting. ‘Abdullah b. Ubayy heard it and said: They have indeed done it. By Allah, when we would return to Medina the respectable amongst them (the Ansar) would turn away the mean (the emigrants). Thereupon ‘Umar said: Permit me so that I should strike the neck of this hypocrite. But he (the Holy Prophet) said: Leave him, >>>>>>>>>the people may not say that Muhammad kills his companions.<<<<<<<<<<<
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 89 :: Hadith 257
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 177
    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
    The Prophet said, "Whoever notices something which he dislikes done by his ruler, then he should be patient, for whoever becomes separate from the company of the Muslims even for a span and then dies, he will die as those who died in the Pre-lslamic period of Ignorance (as rebellious sinners).
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6219
    Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri ; Anas ibn Malik:
    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Soon there will appear disagreement and dissension in my people; there will be people who will be good in speech and bad in work. They recite the Qur'an, but it does not pass their collar-bones. They will swerve from the religion as an animal goes through the animal shot at. They will not return to it till the arrow comes back to its notch. They are worst of the people and animals. Happy is the one who kills them and they kill him. They call to the book of Allah, but they have nothing to do with it. He who fights against them will be nearer to Allah than them (the rest of the people). The people asked: What is their sign? He replied: They shave the head.
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 64,65,66
    'Abdullah b. Amr b. al-As is reported to have said: Verily a person asked the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) who amongst the Muslims was better. Upon this (the Holy Prophet) remarked: From whose hand and tongue the Muslims are safe.
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 80
    Narrated 'Aisha:
    A man asked permission to enter upon Allah's Apostle. The Prophet said, "Admit him. What an evil brother of his people or a son of his people." But when the man entered, the Prophet spoke to him in a very polite manner. (And when that person left) I said, "O Allah's Apostle! You had said what you had said, yet you spoke to him in a very polite manner?" The Prophet said, "O 'Aisha! The worst people are those whom the people desert or leave in order to save themselves from their dirty language or from their transgression."
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6210
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Don't nurse grudge and don't bid him out for raising the price and don't nurse aversion or enmity and don't enter into a transaction when the others have entered into that transaction and be as fellow-brothers and servants of Allah. A Muslim is the brother of a Muslim. He neither oppresses him nor humiliates him nor looks down upon him. The piety is here, (and while saying so) he pointed towards his chest thrice. It is a serious evil for a Muslim that he should look down upon his brother Muslim. All things of a Muslim are inviolable for his brother in faith: his blood, his wealth and his honors.
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 70
    Narrated 'Abdullah:
    Allah's Apostle said, "Abusing a Muslim is Fusuq (i.e., an evil-doing), and killing him is Kufr (disbelief)."
    Dawud :: Book 40 : Hadith 4747
    Muslim :: Book 5 : Hadith 2324
    Muslim :: Book 5 : Hadith 2335s
    Not to differentiate between sahabha:
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 57 :: Hadith 47
    Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3294
    Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 395 ,397, 398, 399, 421
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 29
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 30 :: Hadith 108
    Muslim :: Book 38 : Hadith 6684
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 114
    Fighting between sect symptoms of kafir:
    Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 685
    Muslim justice with other Muslim:
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 622,26
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 491
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 55
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 418
    Muslim :: Book 8 : Hadith 3294
    Sect prohibited
    Bukhari 1.3.122,
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 682
    Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 41 :: Hadith 593
    Muslim :: Book 18 : Hadith 4255
    Dawud :: Book 40 : Hadith 4721
    Sect prophesied
    Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5682, 5684,5690
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 173
    Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 264
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 76 :: Hadith 585
    Muslim-Muslim fight prohibited:
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 193
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 83 :: Hadith 13,14
    Dawud :: Book 14 : Hadith 2635
    Muslim must good relation with other Muslim:
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 85 :: Hadith 83
    Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 795
    Muslim :: Book 30 : Hadith 5688, 5689
    ………..you will not believe as long as you do not love one another. Should I not direct you to a thing which, if you do, will foster love amongst you: (i. e.) give currency to (the practice of paying salutation to one another by saying) as-salamu alaikum. (Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 96 )
    Al-Din is a name of sincerity and well wishing. Upon this we said: For whom? He replied: For Allah, His Book, His Messenger and for the leaders and the general Muslims.( Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 98, Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 101 ,102,103)
    Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 117 ,16
    It is reported on the authority of Ibn 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah (may peace and blessings be upon him) said: Any person who called his brother: or unbeliever (has in fact done an act by which this unbelief) would return to one of them. If it were so, as he asserted (then the unbelief of man was confirmed but if it was not true), then it returned to him (to the man who labeled it on his brother Muslim).
    Muslim are brothers & responsible:
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6219
    Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Don't nurse grudge and don't bid him out for raising the price and don't nurse aversion or enmity and don't enter into a transaction when the others have entered into that transaction and be as fellow-brothers and servants of Allah. A Muslim is the brother of a Muslim. He neither oppresses him nor humiliates him nor looks down upon him. The piety is here, (and while saying so) he pointed towards his chest thrice. It is a serious evil for a Muslim that he should look down upon his brother Muslim. All things of a Muslim are inviolable for his brother in faith: his blood, his wealth and his honors.
    Dawud :: Book 41 : Hadith 4900 ,4896,97
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6257 ,6258, 6260, 6261
    Fighting each other prohibited:
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 198,200, 201
    Don’t hate each other
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 80 :: Hadith 717
    Don’t desert (cut your relations with) one another
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 80 :: Hadith 717
    Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6207,6222,6223,6224
    Muslim -Muslim fighting for worldly gain prohibited
    Bukhari 1.2.30
    Bukhari :: Book 2 :: Volume 23 :: Hadith 428
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 122
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 30
    Love each other /present each other / Shake hands each other
    Malik :: Book 47 : Hadith 47.4.16, 47.4.17
    Shunt /quite relation with Muslim prohibited:
    Malik :: Book 47 : Hadith 47.4.13, 47.4.14, 47.4.15
    Muslim :: Book 41 : Hadith 6898, 6899, 6901
    Killing, abusing Muslim prohibited:
    Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 197,204,205
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 46
    Killer Muslim going to hell, killed person to haven:
    Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4247
    Killing believer go to hell
    Dawud :: Book 35 : Hadith 4257 ,42 59
    Not to accuse an innocent person
    Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 2 :: Hadith 17
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 71, 73, 126
    Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 78 :: Hadith 647

  • Robert B.

    Thank you kindly for that tidbit of history. You cleared up some interesting facts. I truly like how you ended your article and I fully agree. “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by most rulers as useful”. Lucius Annaeus Seneca

  • goChips

    Sounds like they hate each other as much as right wingers hate progressives

  • People

    It’s strange to me the way muslims speak. Every time they mention allah they do mention “peace be upon him”. My point is why one needs to stress upon the things which were made thousands of years ago when there were no other things to do. Ppl used to spend days in collecting food and worshiping goods. Today we have lots of stuff to do, earn for family n to help others, u have ppl to help make love to them. Why u run behind books n things which were said long time ago. And today u dnt even question them jst accept it blindly. U are here because of ur parents so why not to devote urself to the parents n ppl u cn touch feel . I’m sure no buddy saw any god putting u on earth its all because of ur parents. It’s strange the way ppl r taking religions seriously now a days.I see religions as a planned games u r safe until u r part of majority. the moment u become part of small grp ppl start eating u. religion is no different than political parties. ppl die in mosque churches n temples too then why some people believe in religions n gods so fiercely. I never worshiped nor do i feel like doing it ever. No holybook and religion can feed a poor or make him rich until n unless he moves his limbs n do work. and this is the ultimate truth. Wht matters on personal level is deads it dsnt matter which religion u follow whom do u worship whr do u work but ur actions does matter. ur comment on article was very sound bt I smell same fanaticism in u too. Why dnt ppl accept all religions n communities ? why they discriminate ? the ultimate beauty of this world is our vivid thinking and which justifies that no single god/religion can bound all of us to follow one religion n god. So the dream of sm religions like Islam that all will be muslim one day is nothing but daydream. If u dnt change with time u will be marginalized by time.

  • Mahinthan So

    Realising god is only possible by wisdom and research. Not by religion and book

  • Mike

    Conservatives and Republicans don’t hate liberals and Democrats, but liberals and Democrats hate conservatives and Republicans.

    You opened this with a ignorant statement, you don’t even understand your own country. You should have never written this article.

  • Adohleas

    Evolution continues to branch out like a tree, it doesn’t go one direction and then always make the originals go extinct, most often the originals are changed into multiple new species leaving the original’s new descendants as something different.

    Current great apes are also very different then both ours and their ancestors. All great apes are evolved for their environment, including us. There was never a Gorilla, Chimpanzee, Orangutan as our ancestors, they are cousins of ours meaning they have the same distant parents as us. Those parents were never Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Orangutans, ect.. They were another species of hominidae before it split into us and our cousins through long periods of evolution.

    Can you tell me this next question? If you were born, then how come your dead relatives are not born again? That is very similar to what you are implying with your statement. If evolution didn’t exist, we would all be 100% perfect clones. In fact we wouldn’t exist at all as we wouldn’t have made it past the simple bacteria phase. Bacteria wouldn’t exist at all and the universe would be completely static, no stars, suns, planets, nothing, which all contributed to life with their chaotic setting.

  • Valerian

    Doing good is actually God’s ways for humans and that is the TRUTH.So if there was no good then this world would not have existed and creation & procreation are the two biggest assets to Mankind By God.His words are Fill & Multiply the earth.God is Mercy,Love & Compassion to the infinite which is unmatched by any human.How could the creation of this world come into being including human beings & other living things,there is definitely The Super Naturanl ever Eternal Almighty who is Superior to all of us and thats why we have different religions which Claim the evidence of an Almighty.

  • research

    Don’t forget to include the greedy statists too! They want to take money from others and control it. Don’t judge all capitalism, by the few who may be “greedy”. Through self interests many more are served. The wealthy are the first to consume, and then through competition, we all benefit. You are typing on a technology provided by a greedy capitalist, and made affordable through competition. True poverty is, no running water, no toilets, no electricity, no car, no phone, no food nor shelter. We have the richest poor in the world.

  • Tony Rushing

    How many non-believers did Jesus of Nazareth personally murder? Zero. How many non-believers did Mohamed personally murder?

  • surj

    Steve ”It’s not religion that’s at fault it’s people . People will ALWAYS find a reason to kill each other ” Its shame that people like you who say without any knowledge of some religions . From Muslim’s Quran Sura 9:111” Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods and in return has promised them paradise. They will fight for the cause of Allah they ill Kill and be Killed ” And that is exactly what muslims have been doing fro the last 1436 years . Now see http://www.thereligionofpeace.com Read the Evil Quran
    Sura 2:193 ” Fight against them [ infidels/kafirs ] until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme ”

  • surj
  • Lou sandoval

    There are people as I, do not subscribe to the term Atheist.
    Some consider atheism a belief system in itself since
    they don’t believe in a god like creator and want proof of the existence of this deity. An analogy I use, is to consider the moon and its size in our solar system, then
    consider that very object to shrink and shrink down to the size of a basketball. Dunk a few hoops then let it
    go and it will resize itself. Like an Avatar creating our very existence, the moon turning into a basketball or the
    bunny rabbit talking, it just cannot happen.
    Not a belief but the absolute knowledge that these things just do not exist.

  • Lou sandoval

    There are people as I, do not subscribe to the term Atheist.
    Some consider atheism a belief system in itself since
    they don’t believe in a god like creator and want proof of the existence of this deity. An analogy I use, is to consider the moon and its size in our solar system, then
    consider that very object to shrink and shrink down to the size of a basketball. Dunk a few hoops then let it
    go and it will resize itself. Like an Avatar creating our very existence, the moon turning into a basketball or the
    bunny rabbit talking, it just cannot happen.
    Not a belief but the absolute knowledge that these things just do not exist.
    Religious factions within Christians, Muslims, Jews and all other belief systems that garner, institutionalize and justify hatred does exist.

  • DO Rosete,Sulong Mindanao

    IT SOUNDS COMPLICATED .WHATEVER,THOSE WHO ADVOCATES VIOLENCE BIG AND SMALL ARE SIMPLY BARBARIANS. SAVAGES WHO LIVES IN THE DARK AGES . THEY CAN ANNIHILATE EACH OTHER BUT SPARE THE INNOCENT “NON-BELIEVERS” OF WHATEVER THEY BELIEVE IN. WHATEVER THEY CALL THEMSELVES: ISLAM, MUSLIM, RADICAL MUSLIM,JIHADISTS . THIS IS THE 21ST CENTURY. THE WORLD MUST UNITE TO ERADICATE THIS MENACE TO SOCIETY. NO ONE SHOULD BE A FENCE SITTER. WE HAVE TO TAKE SOME RISKS BEFORE IT SPREADS LIKE CANCER .

  • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

    Sorry for the late response. Because it’s the generic terms used today. I’m not Jewish so I don’t feel the need to refrain from using letters. Why does it matter if you understand the context of the post. seems like you’re just nitpicking because you don’t have anything else.

  • Stephen

    Because once christianity or any other man made religion starts teaching something that is factually not correct, it gets spread. Just like when people call Jesus, Christ. Christ is an adjective not a name yet they call him Christ. They should out of respect say The Christ if they wish to refer to him with this adjective. Little things are as important as big things. Got lets nothing get by him. That’s why. I don’t need anything else other than God as my Savior.

  • Stephen

    She has no idea there are nearly 40,000 different christian belief systems under the cover of a church. Think of that. nearly 40,000 different christian belief systems and they can’t even agree. WTF

  • Stephen

    No one, no human, has the right to demand anything from another human other than obey the laws of God and man. And when in conflict I’d hope one would choose God’s laws.
    No one has the right to push their beliefs on any other person either.

    If someone believes something let them believe it. We have free will. It’s their loss in my opinion to turn their back on some sort of belief system that acknowledges that there is something greater than mankind. Call it God, Fred, Jack or Judy. There is something greater than we humans.

  • Stephen

    Jesus never said he was God nor that he was the Savior. These words he never spoke.
    The christian doctrine, the NT, written/rewritten and assembled in @ 320 AD at the first council of Nicaea under the Pagan Ruler Constantine, is man’s words, not Gods.

    Yet, God did say that other than him, there is no other Savior.
    Book of Hosea OT

    google: paintings of Jesus and Krishna

    And when you see the two side by side and you realize that Krishna was thousands of years before Jesus, it gives much support to the theory that Jesus the Christ is a reincarnate of Krisha. Which is quite possible since there have been @ 5 different entities such as Jesus over the past 7000 years all with lives that are strikingly similar.

  • styants64

    Jesus He said no one comes the lord except through me I am the Alpha and the Omega the truth and the life and before went back to God he left his spirit carer and his disciples collapsed down and spoke in tongues, worshippers still have that experience today, Jesus Christ detested religion he condemned the Jewish priests for practising religion while ignoring the plight of the poor the sick and the lower strata of society, look at the storm clouds surrounding Israel and the Middle East prophesied over 2000 years ago read it for yourself to see if it’s true or false, Jesus prophesied that in the end the majority of Jews would not except him as the Messiah and They would pay a terrible price by worshipping in a gold decorated temple he said it the temple would be destroyed and the Jews will be cast into slavery and four ways of the wind and that has happened I do not personally practice religion because its always contaminated by the human ego and ambitions, where did Jesus ever say that we should have religious Christian hierarchies in his name IE the pope and archbishops that live and preach above and the over the worshippers head while living in palaces they are making the same mistakes over and over again just like the Jewish Pharisees two thousand years ago.

  • Stephen

    As I said, and as you supported in your reply, Jesus never said he was God nor did he ever say he was the Savior. God did however state he was the only savior. Doesn’t need much explanation. God said it, there is only one God, what God says is and must be true. He is our Savor.

  • styants64

    Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to God except through me your problem isn’t with me to worship God through Jesus Christ is as clear as the nose on your face, Jesus says I am the light of the world, no other creed faith or religion has the spiritual force in the name of Jesus Christ, when worshippers are taken over by the holy spirit it is in the name of Jesus Christ what don’t you get The father the son and the holy spirit, The human race has now got itself into a position where it can destroy the planet several times over our days are numbered.

  • Stephen

    And muslims would say the same about their prophet Mohammad. They are wrong too.

    This is all Christian doctrine.
    The OT is the book that Christianity ignored in their creating of the NT with a PAGAN Ruler Constantine.

    Do you really believe a PAGAN Ruler would have been a good source to go to to create the NT? Really? There have been 4 or 5 times in history where a person like Jesus (there were no J’s) lived and was recorded and had nearly exact lives.

    Read or google the book of Hosea and see where God, my God, your God, everyone’s God, says that ‘besides him there is no other savior’ and think about it. It’s eye opening.

    I was raised a catholic but do not believe in that man made religion any longer because of the evil they did/do.

    Just my opinion and remember none of the gospels are signed by any apostle plus they were written 80 to 140 years after Jesus died. Go figure.

  • StEwPiD_MoNkEy

    Lol. You have yet to show that your view of God is different than any else when it comes to the existence of your diety. So arguing semantics is ridiculous.

  • Stephen

    I assume you have read multiple emails and have gotten them mixed up?
    I never attempted to show my view of God and whether or not it was different or alike to any other persons view. I guess you’ll explain where you read that?
    I simply spoke based on historical language definitions and meanings. Not from text created @ 320 AD at the first council of Nicaea but those historical documents that comprise the OT, Hebrew and Jewish text that all man made religions have absorbed and called the OT.
    The Hebrews and Jews don’t refer to their teachings as the OT or the Bible, it’s called The Word.
    Sorry for your mix up.

  • styants64

    I do not worship the bible you could read the biography of any historical person and there will always be a dispute about the biographers Version of that persons life, it is the holy spirit that brings jesus into many worshippers life, look up what’s going on surrounding Israel and the history of the Jews.

  • Stephen

    Never said you worshiped the bible. Sorry if you believed I did.

  • Stephen

    As I said, he never said he was God nor the savior. But God, who is God, said he was the only savior. Book of Hosea.

  • Stephen

    As I said. Jesus never said he was the savior nor that he was God. These words do not exist. But God, being God, said that he was the only savior. Book of Hosea. Quit quoting your opinion, use the actual text to support your views otherwise it’s just another opinion.

  • styants64

    Are you for real go get a life!.

  • JS

    exactly. but to really put this all into perspective. think about the universe or multi verses and the existence of everything in space and time. even if you believe in the big bang theory or singularity, I think its pretty obvious that it just didnt all come into existence out of thin air. In other words, something cant come from nothing. I have no doubt that there is one true supreme being, God the father, the son, and holy spirit

  • JS

    David defeated a REPHAIM named goliath who was the offspring of the nephilim

  • C. Goncalves

    Respectuflly God is not a God of confusion , religious was created by man as a mean to control the mass. And to control is what man can do the best . If one doesn’t want to be part of the mass and be count as individual Get out of the Babylon the great , if you don’t want to be part of her destruction in the great day of God’s judgment on the Harlot

  • We are always standing in front of our maker, and our maker couldn’t care less….
    Is God less than the a parent? would a loving parent ever hate and sentence their child to eternal torture just because the child was chose not to acknowledge the parent’s existence? Do parents of autistic children sentence them to eternal torture? No, they love them in spite of everything. They love them.

    How could you say God could do any less? You believe God to be petty and narcissistic, because only a petty and narcissistic being would want to punish his children for not acknowledging or worshipping Him.

    I don’t believe that God is a petty narcissistic a**hole.

    God is unlimited unconditional love. Anything less is just a human’s projection of low level human values and behavior. That is not my God. I am sorry it is yours…

  • How do you know?

  • We all need to be concerned about fundamentalist nuttiness. Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists etc. We need to get these people to mellow out. We need to be fed up with this. If these nuts have their way, they will destroy the whole world and bring us back to medieval and bible times. And you know what that means?????

    No premium cable and no central heat and air! Did you hear me???? No niceties of modern civilization including NO CABLE, NO CENTRAL HEAT AND AIR, NO RUNNING WATER!!!!! WHO WANTS TO LIVE LIKE THAT?????

    just cause some nutty people want to argue over God???? why should we all have to suffer??? Its not right.

    If the world were a terrarium, and all humans were just hermit crabs, do you think the owner and creator of the terrarium (aka God) would want all the hermit crabs fighting and destroying their own environment??? the environment that God created???? Do you think the owner of the terrarium (aka God) would appreciate the hermit crabs killing each other?

    The answer of course is no. So why would anyone think that God would want some of his nutty hermit crabs cutting off the heads of other hermit crabs etc just because they all disagreed about their ideas about the owner of the terrarium?

    There’s enough problems on this earth already (cancer, global warming, male pattern baldness) without nutty people arguing and getting violent because other people don’t agree with their ideas. They are all a bunch of crazy toddlers in grown mens bodies having temper tantrums.

    If we hope to continue as a planet and advance further in technology and spiritual enlightenment, we cannot let angry violent men with mental problems spoil everything for the rest of us.

    The rest of us want to be creative and make the world a better place for all of us. These people do not help us, they do not push us forward and they and their angry and violent and destructive ideas must be dismissed and disregarded.

    Unless an idea or person creates value and peace and harmony for all people, it/he/she must be dismissed and disregarded.

    Please, all of you reading this, work to create value for everyone in the world.

  • Di

    I do get what you are saying and have thought every thought myself. There HAVE been changes in the Bible which seems weird to me if it is fallible but I still believe it deep down. Most of what Jesus predicted did come true and will later as well, like the rapture, and 1,000 yr. reign of Christ on earth.
    As far as hell, remember when Lazarus was in hell and he told Moses or someone to dip his finger to wet his mouth? It’s hot there and you will be thirsty. Bible has answers to a lot of things people argue about. Also, I’d rather try Jesus then not try because hell is forever and ever. Your thirst will last forever and for people who think they will party with their unsaved friends in hell are so wrong. Hell is separation from God and anything good. You’ll be ALONE like in jail. No one to talk to etc. God gave everyone free will to choose because He is a gentleman. Would you ever feel good about FORCING someone to love you? No.

  • Di

    Because God “is” Jesus. They are one. God always was, then created a son to be the example of a real man. Other God’s are dead, ours is alive. Died once for sin, then rose. No other God has risen from the dead.

  • Di

    Christians WILL stand before the Lord but…it’s not for eternal judgement, it’s for REWARDS. Jesus PAID for our sin of the past, present and future so that we can still be saved even thought we will still sin on a daily basis. No sinner can GET to heaven even unless they accept Jesus as the only way.

  • Di

    He can’t forgive someone who isn’t sorry or who doesn’t recognize their sins.

  • Di

    God told us to go tell everyone about His gospel. Not to judge them but to show there is good news, we don’t have to stay dead when and if we die before the rapture.

  • Di

    Yes but other Gods all died and were not raised again to live. Our God is a LIVING God. Jeremiah 10:10

  • Di

    Christianity is not even a RELIGION. Religion is what you do like going to church, reading your bible, praying. Christianity is faith, not by works.

  • Di

    Wrong. John 10:30. “I and the Father are one.” Done.

  • Di

    Yep and in fact, the tribulation period is actually FOR the Jews, they will finally SEE who they crucified and mourn. There will be 144,000 Jewish men preaching to all Jews once the Christian are raptured (leave this earth)

  • Di

    How this for using actual bible text: John 10:30. Get your scriptures out.

  • Di

    I’ll go to Jesus’ hospital any time.

  • Di

    Yes he did. John 10:30. Again, look it up.

  • Di

    Right on. And no other God has died once and then risen either. BINGO

  • Di

    For the 3rd time. John 10:30 proves you wrong.

  • Di

    But evil people will always be around. I forsake the Catholic doctrines because they are just not scriptural. Bible alone is the only book you should be reading for the truth.

  • Di

    People dispute everything nowadays on Twitter, Facebook, all of them because it feels GOOD to claim you are right, because they want to elevate themselves, to start drama. Everyone just needs to go out and play KICK THE CAN or DITCH and stop with the internet, including me!

  • Di

    Love humble people. Thank you. Shows your FRUIT.

  • Di

    Who says that God couldn’t care less? God is a gentleman, He would never MAKE anyone go to heaven if they don’t want to. It’s called a CHOICE. And yes, He already knows who is crossed out already in the BOOK OF LIFE.

  • Stephen

    Well I believe in what God says.
    Anyone that turns his or her back on God and or his words is risking a lot in my opinion.

    So in the book of Hosea, where God himself says ‘besides myself, there is no other savior’, God tells you he is the one and only savior.

    Nowhere in the OT does God say he has a second part or half named Jesus. This is only taught in the christian vein of man made religions.
    If you do not agree, then please show me some ancient document, as I have with the book of Hosea, that in fact states what you believe about Jesus.

    And for the fun of it remember, the letter J did not even exist until @ 1500 AD, so, there could never even have been the name “‘Jesus” in existence.

    But try if you will. I’ll listen to anything and read everything that you or others provide as long as they have verifiable roots outside the ‘christian teachings’.

    Otherwise, Islam, Buddhist, Sikhism, Krishna, and on and on and on are en equal footing with christianity simply because their teachings say so. I would never turn my back on God as you have done regarding who is The Savior.

    I believe in what God says, not what a man made religion says.

    Cya

  • People need to stop with their dogmatism… whatever form it takes

  • How do you know God is a man?
    Did you ever consider we all might be quasi sentient beings inside of a video game that is being controlled and played by a couple adolescents? And the Bible just might be part of the accoutrements of the game? And any miracles that happen might just be an intervention on the part of one or some or all of the video game players just because the “miracle” puts them is a better position as far as the whole game goes?

  • Di

    Oh come on. If it was a she the bible would say SHE first of all. Adam was made first, not the other way around. You must follow Lisa Dennis Sparks. Please get off the acid lol.

  • Di

    Yep. But you have to WANT to be forgiven first.

  • Di

    The Bible is all you need. Best seller too. Look it up.

  • Di

    You can’t reason and do research. It’s about faith. If you have it great, if not, it’s your eternal loss. It’s a gift. Take it or leave it.

  • Stephen

    Just remember, your ‘bible’ was written/composed/collected/duplicated under the ruler Constantine in the year 325-328. Your bible is man made. Your bible in really only the NT since the OT is the Jewish Word or the Tanakh/Torah.
    Christianity is a man made religion.
    Sorry.
    If you don’t believe me then read the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia. The RCC is the largest depository of documents relative to christianity. No other source has as many or more.

  • Mahinthan So

    You are still in the claws of religion. Most of eastern philosophies recommend research only when we look very closely. I’m talking about Buddhism and vedas. But sheer no of people take them also as religions and again fail. I shall submit you a vedic quote. By wisdom only we can achieve immortality. Buddha said do not believe any thing that is beyond your reasoning.

  • Well, you should read “When God Was A Woman”. The Bible was written thousands of years after human kind has been in existence and there were many religions prior and some similar to what the bible describes. Some of these religions worshipped a female as the head deity. The worship of Mary in the bible is a concession to that Mary/ Maria aka Ma Rhea (My earth).

    The Bible, like all the others that came before is basically a Big Book of Crowd Control for Feudal Society. Dogmatic beliefs in these kinds of books as the ultimate truth, (whether the Bible or Koran) can lead to fighting, or in this case dismissive comments regarding illegal drug consumption.

    God doesn’t need a book to exist, especially not books filled with hate and violence. Jesus himself would not agree with a lot of the Old Testament.

    Please catch a clue

  • Di

    Shows what you know lol. My bible was written by INSPIRATION by the Holy Spirit, therefore it can’t be wrong. God saw to that. It’s simply a matter if you believe that or not. If you don’t fine. Leave it at that. And I would never read anything Catholic. After all, didn’t the Pope say that Jesus was a failure?? How can a so-called CHRISTIAN say He was a failure? Catholic religion is so contrary to scripture. Avoid repetitious prayer ring a bell? (rosary), how about “call no man on earth “father.”” Baptizing infants who won’t even REMEMBER it? The eunich asked what he must do to be baptised. What was he told by Philip in Acts Chapter 8? He said BELIEVE and you shall. Bible never mentions a BABY being baptized. Was the thief on the cross who believed Jesus taken off and baptized before he was in heaven? No. Did he do good works? Read his bible? You must be thirsty for truth but the truth starts in your inspired bible.

  • Di

    Buddha LOL? My God is a living God whose Son died and rose again. Where is buddha today? Bible says NO ONE can understand the mind of God, it’s beyond what humans can even comprehend so blind faith is all we have. And God’s Word to us. Read it, God will show you stuff that will blow your mind. That is the job of the Holy Spirit, God’s helper.

  • Di

    Then why does the OLD testament talk about a savior who will come to the earth? Prophesy is proof alone that the Bible is correct. In fact, before the world was even made there was God with his Son (WORD was Jesus) Read the gospel of John Chapter 1. Jesus would not have allowed the Old Testament to be created by His Holy Spirit if we wre not meant to take lessons from it. Don’t even get me started on Mary. Mary was blessed and chosen, not HOLY. No one but God is holy. By the way, Mary is Jewish, not Catholic LOL. Now YOU go get a clue. No need to be so snotty.

  • Stephen

    Well christians are silly people and they prove it every day they cite non-existent scriptures.
    I asked if you had any ancient text you can quote, as I have with my statements, to prove your theory of Jesus being God?
    You have not done such so it appears you have nothing to support your statements, as I well expected.
    I do not criticize you for your beliefs because having a good heart and good intentions is all one needs to be forgiven by God and given life everlasting with him.
    Now if you can find any ancient texts (outside of the christian NT that was written @ 325/328 AD) then please send them along as I have done with the book of Hosea where God himself says ‘besides me there is no other savior’. Pretty simple to just believe in God in my opinion.
    Again, as I said, I have no harsh feelings towards your or your beliefs I just like to see facts back them up and in this case, there is nothing.
    CYa

  • Di

    Since when is the bible not good enuf? God does not have to prove a thing to us, nor I to anyone. He did enuf already. God and Jesus are one silly. If you are looking for proof of God you will always be disappointed. It’s called FAITH for a reason. You can’t see it yet. But I see it everyday in the faces of new believers, newborn babies and creation. Doesn’t a sailboat have to trust the wind which he cannot see? Of course. Read the book of John this week, as many chapters as you can. With the WORD meaning Jesus Himself. God’s son. Two in one. If evidence is what you seek I can’t help you. Oh, and a good heart and intentions are not enuf to get everlasting life. Ready John 3:16. Do you trust Jesus’s shed blood or not? That is the question. The mind will always have questions and doubts. I still think sometimes it all seems crazy but I still believe. I can’t unlearn riding a bike. I just cannot. Have a good rest of the weekend.

  • Di

    Also read this from the scriptures:
    Our Lord Jesus Christ said: “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh a sign: and a sign shall not be given it, but the sign of Jonah the prophet.” St. Matthew 12:39
    And He repeats: “A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign: and a sign shall not be given it, but the sign of Jonah the prophet.” St. Matthew 16:4
    And remember when Satan tempted Jesus to JUMP, that His angels would catch him? What did Jesus say to him? Basically, no, I don’t have to prove anything to you.

  • Stephen

    Look it’s fine you are a christian. I’m not trying to change you. I’m just saying that there is nothing that exists outside of the ‘christian NT’ that says anything about God and jesus being one and the same. It’s a christian mythra and nothing else.

    Everything you espouse is merely in-house christian teachings and nothing else. You have no ancient docs as I do that prove your position like I do.

    You can continue to post and post and post but until you present some document outside of the christian works which are man made, you cannot prove your position and I have proven mine by simply quoting God himself in the book of Hosea.

    It’s okay to have any belief you desire. Just don’t tell people it’s the ‘truth’ or ‘God is jesus’ if you cannot prove it by ancient documents as I can prove my position.

    It gets embarrassing at times reading these posts that are never proved up.

    That’s all.
    CYa

  • Stephen

    Very true.
    If people simply read more, researched more, did more in terms of learning on their own instead of listening to some bible thumper tell us how we are to live we’d be better off.
    These christians don’t even know of things like Pope Leo the X saying, ‘oh how profitable this myth of the Jesus has been for us’. It’s in the Catholic Encyclopedia, yet no one ever brings it up.
    I wonder how many christians know that during the Crusades the christian church killed an unknown number of people under the banner of ‘convert or die’ just as islam is doing now with ISIS in the middle east.
    Cya

  • So you don’t consider accusing someone of illegal drug use snotty? It is you who cast the first stone, my friend…

    If you purport to be a follower of Jesus, do Him proud and act accordingly when you are representing him on line. That means responding in a neutral and technical manner and not making disparaging remarks to other commenters.

    WWJD? He would be kind to anyone who responds to him. You are not a true follower, just a purveyor of dogma.

  • Mahinthan So

    I have read all religious books. I’m not here to laugh about others belief. Never be a slave to a book. Be free that all I can say.

  • Di

    I am so sick of your common COME BACKS. Please. I’m a sinner, it’s great that you are not. If the bible is bull shit to you guys, how would you even know how Christians are supposed to act lol. You crack me up. You know you believe it all or you wouldn’t care so much. People like you make me as mad as I make you. What’s the difference.

  • Try to be a better representative of your faith. If you cannot Jesus has failed with you.

    As far as the bible,one can read it and be aware of its edicts, prescriptions and proscriptions without having to be in total agreement with the material.

    You do not have to defend or protect God. God is God and is never in danger. Either God exists or God doesn’t and whether we choose to believe or not, it affects God not at all. God does not need a violent book designed for feudal society crowd control to have God’s existence verified.

    I care about what you say not because I buy into the Big Book of Crowd Control for Feudal Societies, but because it is people like you who are dogmatic about religion who can get riled up and cause harm to others.

    It is people like yourself who deny services to gay people out of their religious “conscience”. You believe that your way is the right and only way,

    Well that is not the Jesus way.

    Even Jesus said that his father has many mansions, so don’t be so dogmatic as if you know everything for sure, just because there’s some book that you read that has been translated and interpreted many times over 1900+ years before you even laid eyes on it.

    God and the bible are not one and the same. Questioning scripture is not questioning God. Destroying scripture is not the same as destroying God. God cannot be destroyed. You don’t need to protect the Big Book of Crowd Control for Feudal Societies in order to keep God safe.

  • Di

    Lol. We are free to defend our beliefs, isn’t that the purpose of every forum? And how am I harming others LOL? You are harming others by saying there is some secret society they need to be aware of. The Bible is sacred and if itwasmisleading at all, I doubt God would not want believers to read it. Even Satan knows it’s true. In fact even he knows he’s soon toast. Take it or leave it. Good old America, where we are free to agree to disagree. We will see who is in control soon Enuf. My phone will not let me go back and edit so forgive any confusing typos. Have a nice week.

  • Jus Reflectin

    Your premise is wrong. Neither the bible or Quran are ERROR FREE. Neither of these books are written by God or supported by God. These are man made artifacts and like all man made objects they are prone to errors. Additionally, to even suggest that God may have inspired man to document their dreams or visions is a fallacy in itself. We don’t buy any of this garbage today and certainly we shouldn’t buy it from centuries ago when man was less aware of his surroundings and creation.

  • Di

    Man made by INSPIRATION from God, the creator of heaven and earth. Look. It is my belief and it will never change. How do you KNOW it’s a fallacy? I could say your info was wrong too. I am sorry for those I offended on here too, I never meant to come off hateful or unloving, the other girls was right, I did not represent my God in a loving was so that I am sorry for .

  • Leon Wilkeson

    My question is: what do the Saudis really hope to accomplish by supporting this rigid backward fundamentalist ideology. It seems that by supporting these types, they’re merely sowing the seeds that will eventually spell their own demise (remember Bin Laden hated the Saudi Royals and wanted desperately to remove them).
    We need to see those hidden Saudi Papers. We need to eliminate our dependence on them and their oil once and for all.

  • ashley

    I have never heard from a muslim to claim Muhammad was infallable. Every muslim I have ever met has said that Jesus was the only infallable man to ever live.

  • Di

    Oh please lol

  • Di

    Jesus is all we need. John 3:3, Romans 10:9

  • Wafa Alameri

    Is the bible really not wrong so please tell me how this isn’t wrong:

    Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. Numbers 31:17-18
    You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT and many more!