Ms Crow is obviously misinformed as are most celebrities who believe their own views are above that of the majority of Americans who do not share said celebrity’s views and opinions. They make broad sweeping comments without facts to back up those comments and when faces with the facts, generally spout out spiteful comments rather than engage a debate in a reasonable, organized manner. I have many personal friends who are Tea Partiers and they are very well educated and organized. They do their homework regarding politicians, politics, and the issues at hand and present their concerns and information on public access cable TV as well as live gatherings. And they do so with class and self dicipline without spite or arrogance. They are not racists, nor are they uneducated. Many are business owners as well as white and blue collar workers. These are people who are genuine and down to earth and who I’ve had the utmost respect for long before the Tea Party movement was created or I was even aware they were involved in it. Celebrities and liberal media do their best to discredit something they don’t want to succeed but their arguments and comments are shallow, vulgar, and spiteful at best and not backed up with personal experience or actual facts. I’m sad because until I read this I was a fan of Ms Crow. I used to be fan of a great many celebrities, both musical and Hollywood, until they started opening their big mouths, insulting me and my beliefs on their podiums.

Yeah, Let’s start with Arnold, Fred Thompson,Ted Nugent,Hank Williams Jr and the untalented Baldwin.

I know tea partiers too, they hold their rallys in PUBLIC parks, collect Social Security, medicare ,disablity use the libraries, fire company, public schools, etc..and still trash “socialism”

The Dixie Chicks were trashed because back in the Bush years it was unpatriotic to critize our president in a time of war..at the tea partys the signs are truly disgraceful to our president..not to mention the guns

You can’t have it both ways …

Karen you are the epitome of ignorance. Those things you mentioned have nothing to do with socialism. Maybe if you get an education you can a=come back and discuss socialism, but until then, you are only proving how the liberals cannot talk facts, but tell lies. You hate what is good and right, just like all liberals and want a cradle to grave society where you lazy liberals are taken care of. Obama and the people you worship have proved once again that socialism does not work. You take from those who earn the money and give to the lazy liberals, then why should anyone work hard and earn money. At one point the whole thing tips and collapses. But you wouldn’t know that since you don’t know what socialism is. If ignorance is bliss, you must be that happiest person around.

Is this the same ding bat who tried to tell us that we should use 2 pieces of
toilet paper to conserve. Do you really think for one moment she follows her advice. What a complete fool this person is. I guess like her messiah who needs a teleprompter, she needs a script to say something, and that something is not even intelligent.

It’s not news to me that the entertainment industry has nothing but contempt for most of their customers. And no Rush, Elton John is not a bridge builder. He despises the avg Rush listener (esp christians)

Sheryl Crow, another has been celebrity who thinks her opinion means something. She is a fool!

Now don’t you guys get on poor Karen like that. How would you like to be that stupid? Like John Wayne said, “Life’s tough. It’s even tougher if you’re stupid.”

The poor thing laments that conservatives collect social security, etc, etc. forgetting that we had these programs shoved down our throats by a liberal Congress and President. We’ve been forced to pay for this stuff. Now you’re going to condemn us for actually using it? BTW, you can shove your so-called “public” schools where the sun doesn’t shine.

So, rant on, Karen. It’s good to have a few examples of cement-headed liberal logic on file.

Auntie Ingorant, The definition of socialism (have you heard of wikipedia)is “an economic and political theory based on public ownership or common ownership” what part of police , fire, schools, libraries,the FDA, highways the military and countless other programs is a lie..

My lazy liberal ass has paid taxes every day since I turned 16 years old.

The tipping point almost happened under your Appointed(by the Supreme court)Capitolist masters Bush & his beloved side kick Chaney.I don’t know where to begin with their evil..9-11, deregulation , tax cuts for the rich, two wars which weren’t even on the books!

I guess you agree with Joe Barton that BP shouldn’t have to pay for the catastrophe in the Gulf, leave it to the lazy taxpayers.And your Adonis Scott Brown yesterday refused to let Wall St taxes go up(they need their billions)so the lazy taxpayers get stuck with that too. My 88 year old Mom lost everything under your idol Bush..

I hope you wake up and see that our country is being run by and for Big Business with the right wing and the propganda on Fox News, as their cheerleaders

Drill, baby, Drill

Hey Roy, I would much rather have Social Security shoved down my throat than the wars that your President shoved down my throat….It’s funny this discussion started about the Hollywood elites your side hates so much and you use a John Wayne quote to promote your brillance!!!

Fear and Smear ..that’s all ya got

Bless your heart Karen. It takes real courage to try to debate the issues with folks who only want to rant and call you names just because you disagree with them. Courage, but not necessarily a whole lot of sense. It’s like they say about not trying to teach a pig to dance; you just get dirty and annoy the pig.

Liberals aren’t feeble-minded y’all; I mean, according to the conservatives they control higher education, right? They do, however, believe that we should all take care of each other, and that government provides the most equitable way to accomplish that goal. Medicare/medicaid, social security, public schools, social services, public assistance – they’re how we help our neighbors when we as individuals don’t know which neighbors need our help the most or how to provide it. If you believe otherwise, see if you can explain why without calling names.

Now let’s see if we can all play in the sandbox together, shall we?

Well, good for Sheryl Crow….I know as soon as all those Tea Party movement members heard/read about her comments, they all ran for cover and hid out somewhere…I mean, it means so much when any of these “celebrities” as they are called voice their opinions, which are mostly nuts, as anyone who can read can see.

and thank you so much, Bubba!

Karen, Wikipedia is not a valid source of information since like here anyone can post anything, which shows even more your ignorance. So you say you pay taxes, most liberals are in the 48% that never pay taxes, yet they want those taxed to provide healthcare welfare and ever other cradle to grave program that they never put into.

Bush wasn’t appointed, as you liberals claim, another of your liberal lies, Bush won the election but you liberal can’t accept defeat so you sue. Name one poor person that has created new jobs off of tax breaks. You can’t, but in your ignorant mind, because someone earns more than another money should be taken from them and given to the lazy. That is the most stupid idea that you socialist liberal ever have. Look at history, socialism/communism has failed every time it has been tried. Of course that means you have to educate yourself, first and not at a liberal arts school, like TryAgainBubba likes to promote with his ignorant rants.

Another lie you tell is that Joe Barton says that BP shouldn’t pay. Go look at all of the testimony that day and you will find that he said they are responsible and that they will pay, but that he was sorry that Obama exceeded his authority and strong armed BP for $20 billion, which Obama did. In fact Obama cannot cut deals like that because Federal law states that BP is responsible for the cleanup and $17 million in fines. By doing this, Obama let BP off the hook for anything that exceeds that $20 Billion, so your beloved Obama is as ignorant as you are besides enacting illegal agreements, which he has no authority. See, get educated and quit watching the lamestream media because you keep embarrassing yourself.

As far as the wars, I am a disabled veteran that fought for your right to spout your ignorant opinions. If people like me didn’t Osama Bin Laden would just as soon kill you for your opinions. You forget that we were attacked on our soil and yet you are another liberal coward that thinks it is all about oil. How stupid can you be? If you can’t stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them. In fact, I can arrange for your trip to these combat zones and let you go spew your lies and hatred there.

You mother lost everything due to Nancy Pelosi, Chris Dodd, Barney Franks, Harry Reid, Obama and the Democrats allowed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were in financial problem to continue lending on bad loans, which by the way, was enacted under Bill Clinton and Janet Reno, and protected them from audits and being brought into compliance sought by Republicans. Franklin Raines and James Johnson, both now Obama financial advisers, walked away with millions of dollars while the Democrats watched them run them and other financial institutions into the ground. Again, get educated and quit telling the liberal lies.

I hope you wake up before we lose all of our rights under you beloved, illegal leader, who cannot even produce a valid birth certificate or pass a background check for a security, and you have no job, no education and no hope.

I fought for my rights, what have you done, other than use yours and try to blame conservatives for the poor life choices you made, including your votes? Time for you and TryAgainBubba to grow up, get educated and open you eyes and ears and THINK.

TryAgainBubba – Government is never the answer. Name one thing government runs that is solvent. Not Medicare, Medicaid, the Post Office, Amtrack, Fannie Mae, or Freddie Mac. How did people get taken care of before the social programs existed. They made choices, work or starve. We as a society have a generation of people that think they are owed something. Even the Bible says, if you do not work, you do not eat. Also to teach a man to fish instead of providing the fish. It also says that the poor will always be amongst us. So why do liberals think that wealth distribution is good? 48% do not pay taxes. So you think it is okay to put their tax burden on someone who made the decision to get education and experience and be innovative and work for their money. I agree we need to take care of those who absolutely cannot work or care for themselves, but that isn’t good enough for liberals. Medical insurance isn’t a right, if you think so, where does it say it in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. Neither is a home, college education, job, etc. You cannot keep expanding government by expanding public assistance. You take away the motivation to better yourself, your nation will soon be in trouble. You cannot give me one valid reason for these expansions. It all goes back to laziness and feeling somebody is owed something.

By the way, the most name calling I see her is by liberals when they can no longer argue a point or have been caught in a lie, just like Karen tried to demean me by changing my name. It reduces the credibility of the argument.

I would like to add my “bravisimo” and kudos to many of these comments…thanks, Anti-Ig and friends for good, EDUCATED and level-headed debate (vs. liberal psycho-babble). I am somewhat of an enigma…a staunchly-conservative Christian who is also a public school administrator…but although I receive a taxpayer-based paycheck, I, too, believe that government is NOT the answer! As Reagan stated, government is the PROBLEM. I live on the Mississippi Gulf Coast, and have survived both Katrina and am now enduring this oil spill. Folks, take a lesson from us conservatives here in Mississippi…did you hear us WHINE during Katrina? How about now during the oil spill? On the contrary! A disaster hits, you roll up your sleeves, begin cleanup YOURSELVES, and when government assistance comes, you THANK them for it (sorry, libs, I know that goes against ranting-and-screaming that it didn’t come fast enough, but hey, we’re kind of stupid that way…but it gets us more later!!). President Bush was here on the MS Coast over 12 times in the 2 years following Katrina. A secret service agent told a co-worker of mine that he ENJOYED coming to Mississippi because of our strong, can-do attitude…and we’ll exhibit this once again as we clean up the oil. Life has it’s ups-and-downs, bumps-and-bruises…when did we get into this mentality of “someone’s GOT to be blamed” every time our knee gets scraped?? For once, I’d like to see these ranting liberal celebrities put their money where their big mouths are…you want to help? Great! Roll up your sleeves and work alongside us…and stop telling me how to spend *MY* money…or better yet, give up YOUR millions before you preach to us that the government should take away our hard-earned thousands. Maybe…just maybe…I’ll listen to you then.

Talk about uneducated

That would include about seventy five percent of the Democrat party. The other 25% can’t get over the fact that its OK to be successful without trying to eliminate poverty by stealing from one American to give to another. Which by the way has done nothing to help those who are unwilling to help themselves. Sheryl Crow is another useful idiot

Auntie, Websters dictionary has an almost identical definition but I’m sure all the facts have a liberal bias in your world..

In the brillance of your universe the 2000 Supreme court ruling which stopped the recount never happened..

After hearing Giulliani, Dana Perino, Mary Matlin and Eric Cantor say on national TV that there where No terrorist attacks under G.W.B that must not have happened..and we should all thank GWB for keping us safe.
I;m so stupid that I thought that Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) was about OIL, not because Saddam attacked us on 9-11, like the fair and balanced tell us.

I guess there was never a Gramm-Leach-Biley Act of 1999..to repel Glass-Stegall and deregulate the banks..Nancy Pelosi had no power until 2006 when most people woke up and and smelled the elelphant dung..but with W in charge for 2 more years the die was set. Even I’m smart enough to know the Republitards ran Congress since 1994, under the utterly vile prostiute banging Newty, while claiming the moral high ground.

BP said they weren’t strong armed..but I’m sure You know better and would like an outcome like Exxon Valdez ..Millions short of the judgement and 20 years after the spill, when many of the victims are dead. Poor foreign Oil companies racking in Billions each quarter being bothered by the little people.
I was born at Travis AFB the daughter of a bomber pilot who became a Colonel.You didn’t mention your rank, war or disablity(I’ll assume its mental) Thanks for your offer to make me cannon fodder,you are truly depsicable.I have 2 children who can be Rep cannon fodder when we “bomb,bomb Iran” The Repb wet dream..now that “drill,baby drill”is being erased from the books
You keep on listening to Sean Insannity where facts don’t matter..check out Seans keen financial insight on 9-11-08
Now on FAUX news the Afgan wars was Obamas war of choice…No wonder all the sane conseratives have left the asylum…If repbs believe the goverment can’t do anything right, I wish they would stay out of it!Wars and bankruptcy.. You betch Ya
“the most name calling you see is by liberals” PLEASE I tried to have a discussion with you..You called me ignorant lazy & stupid, but my pun with your alias really shows your thin skin, but like Bubba said I’m just getting dirty.. thanks Bubba..you are right

PS I am glad to paying your check and hope the socialist VA is taking good care of you.I’m not part of the 48% who don’t pay taxes(I didn’t fact check your assertion, but you are so smart) and I’m not one of the billionaires paying 15% or less.

“Those who can make you believe absudties, can make you commit atrocities,” Voltaire

Hi Karen,
I see that passion has certainly been ignited in this debate, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I appreciate your point of view; thank God for diversity…it is the hallmark of a free republic!

I will be the first to admit that GWB made some really, really, poor decisions. His deplorable, almost liberal-like stance on immigration and spending like a drunken sailor were two examples of which, as a conservative Republican, I am deeply ashamed. But there is a point I’d like to make which you may not have taken into account:

Bush should NEVER have gone into Iraq in 2003. Actually, he should have gone in during his first few months in office…in 2001. The Iraqi cease-fire agreement during the Gulf War had 14 binding U.N. resolutions attached to it as CONDITIONS for holding the cease-fire into place. It is understood that at ANY time those are violated, the cease-fire is null and void, and punitive actions will be imposed. Hussein violated most of those well into Clinton’s 2 terms in office, and that administration did NOTHING. The standard cry was, “He’s the sovereign leader of a sovereign nation…let him be!” If I had been GWB, I would have gone in IMMEDIATELY after taking office, to right the wrong that had been committed under Clinton. Forget WMD’s…the violation of the 14 U.N. resolutions was PLENTY of justification to bomb Iraq into oblivion. But, WMD’s were present in Iraq…but thanks to our world-wide media, Iraq had PLENTY of advanced notice (almost 2 years’ worth) to move them (probably to Syria, where they are probably still located). I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that the Bush-43 administration officially stated Sadaam’s involvement in 9-11 as “the official” reason for going in in 2003…that was never substantiated. But like I said…we didn’t NEED any further evidence besides the violated U.N. resolutions. As to “bad P.R.” around the world? FINE. I’d rather appear strong and hated, than weak and tolerated, like we are now. What??? You mean our enemies HATE US?? What a newsflash. GOOD. I **want** it that way. Better to be strong and hated as a country than weak and vunerable.

I travel to Europe every 2 summers with a performing chorale group, and our reputation there is not much better than it was under Bush. I even had one Greek man tell me last month, “Your president is a joke. He apologized to us for things you didn’t even do!” But as a loyal American, I just smiled and said, “well, he’s our president…he was only doing what he thinks is best for us.” Even as a member of the opposition party, I still recognize Mr. Obama as our commander-in-chief, and our president.

Keep up the debate…it is healthy!

Thanks David, I don’t agree with all you are saying ..but you sound like a smart and rational guy.

I got the idea that Saadam was the cause of 9-11 from Fox News. They continue to try to make the link. I have talked to many Fox watchers, who still believe it, including a lady who’s son was being deployed to Iraq. I asked how she felt about the war and was told “after what they did to us”

I actually watched Fox 24-7 after 9-11 until the run up to the invasion, when I noticed a total lack of debate and mikes being cut if there was any difference of opinion.

Hope there are more like you out there!

Thank you, Karen. I appreciate your kind words. Well, if Fox news was propulgating the notion that Iraq was involved in 9-11 they were WAY off-base.

If I had been president, my strategy after 9-11 would have been totally different. The whole mission would be covert, and handled almost exclusively by the CIA and special forces ops. The public would have never heard a word until we hoisted Bin Laden’s lifeless body from a flagpole in Afghanistan. But then of course, I make it sound easy…there’s obviously a lot of folks looking for this scumbag, and there’s obviously a reason he’s difficult to capture, or it would have been done long before now.

Correction Anti_Ignorance: you said – “”Look at history, socialism/communism has failed every time it has been tried.”"

.. what is China?

.. another correction.
The BP fund set up by Obama is not a CAP, and it was voluntary on BP’s part. He simply asked them as a show of good faith to establish the fund as a starting point to aid in the distribution of money, and they agreed.

..oh, and enough on the birth certificate already. It has been produced, validated and there is even a birth announcement in the hawaii newspaper the day he was born. FTLOG !

Brandon – re: #22

From article by Lynn Stuter – http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter133.htm

[It is true that Obama posted a document on his website that indicates he was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961; but that “document” was not a birth certificate; it was a Certification of Live Birth which proves nothing about where he was actually born. Under Hawaiian law, Obama could have been born in Kenya and his birth still registered in Hawaii even though he was not a natural born citizen by birth, not an American citizen at all. The Certification of Live Birth does not provide that information.]

From article by Jerome Corsi – http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=121136

[How Hawaiian papers published announcements

WND discovered the following in previous discussions with the two Honolulu newspapers:

* Neither newspaper had an editor to vet birth announcements;

* Neither newspaper independently checked the truthfulness or accuracy of birth announcement information derived from Hawaii Department of Health vital statistics records;

* Both newspapers merely published birth announcements, as received, from information published in Hawaii's Department of Health vital statistics announcements.

* Hawaiian hospitals did not report to newspapers any birth information;

* Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth do not typically list the hospital of birth or attending physician;

* Errors and misstatements in birth announcements published in the two Hawaiian newspapers have been documented, stemming from incorrect information recorded by the Hawaiian Department of Health.]

Also, from same article –

[Under Hawaiian law, a family wishing to register the birth of a baby born outside Hawaii can list a family residence in Hawaii as the birth address, even if the mother was residing outside Hawaii at the time the baby was born.]

Where is his long-form birth certificate?

re: #22

From http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter133.htm

[It is true that Obama posted a document on his website that indicates he was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961; but that “document” was not a birth certificate; it was a Certification of Live Birth which proves nothing about where he was actually born. Under Hawaiian law, Obama could have been born in Kenya and his birth still registered in Hawaii even though he was not a natural born citizen by birth, not an American citizen at all. The Certification of Live Birth does not provide that information.]

From http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=121136

[How Hawaiian papers published announcements

WND discovered the following in previous discussions with the two Honolulu newspapers:

* Neither newspaper had an editor to vet birth announcements;

* Neither newspaper independently checked the truthfulness or accuracy of birth announcement information derived from Hawaii Department of Health vital statistics records;

* Both newspapers merely published birth announcements, as received, from information published in Hawaii's Department of Health vital statistics announcements.

* Hawaiian hospitals did not report to newspapers any birth information;

* Hawaiian Certifications of Live Birth do not typically list the hospital of birth or attending physician;

* Errors and misstatements in birth announcements published in the two Hawaiian newspapers have been documented, stemming from incorrect information recorded by the Hawaiian Department of Health.]

Conclusion – All Barry has to do is allow the release of his long-form birth certificate.

AIM Moderator –

My response to post #22 that appeared on this thread has been twice removed.

And now, it’s reappeared for the second time today.

And now, it’s gone again.

I listened as Crow said Tea Partiers don’t understand what’s going on Wall street, like this empty-headed lib could begin to understand how derivatives work, what the Gramm, Leach, Bliley Act had to do with the meltdown or the role that Fannie, Freddie and ACORN played.

Yes Ms. Crow, explain it to the Tea Partiers. I’m so sure you’re well versed in all of these areas. Then again, you could just be another stupid, liberal, entertainer who jumps on the latest cause celebre without checking the facts.

About what you’d expect from someone who bought into the whole anthropogenic global warming thing to the point of claiming (falsely) that she only uses one sheet of toilet paper. Given the fact that AGW Kool-Aid drinkers like to conserve water too, I’m not shaking hands with this lady anytime soon.