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No More Excuses can’t balme Republicans. next election

- Todd Charske

Yes I agree, no more pointing fingers at us.  Jimmy Carter had the Iran hostage crisis, I’m sure Obama will have Jihad-gate or a full scale nuclear war on his hands.

Full scale nuclear war would be real bad and I hope it wouldn’t come to that but a weakening of the US military is almost guarenteed.  Which means strengthened terroism which means any number of things.

- Todd Charske

This article can be summed up in four words:

Republicans were sadly mistaken.

Actually, the word “sadly” is optional.

It’s been 24 hours and the world has not come to an end. Same four words STILL apply.

Democrats in general have had Bush to blame for 8 years during which they have daily been the disloyal opposition. Obama made his campaign primarily on anti-Bush rhetoric.(People are trying to guess what he really stands for and what is next.) Now, all will have to be transparent and open about their positions and actions.

Michigan’s Gov. Granholm, having done a miserable job, has frequently explained away Michigan’s current status economically(terrible)on Bush and absent that on the previous republican govenor. The best she could come up with was “cool cities”. Now, there is talk she is headed to a position in Washington.

Republicans must go back to their roots and stop trying to hang on to power by being mini liberals.

LIsten, I TRULY believe that those who voted for obama opened up pandora’s box. People need to dust off their bibles and see what it says what will happen in the last days. I’m 42 years old and have NEVER witnessed anything like this before! I watched as they took a guy whose middle name is “Hussein” , who we really do not know anything about, and gave him (He bought it really) the highest office in the land. Those who voted for obama forgot the innocent slaughtering of tiny babys, forgot that God does NOT condone same sex marriage, forgot their morals and values and VOTED with their pocketbooks. This man has NO content of character and neither do the people who voted him into office! I am ashamed, but do take heart that it is GOD who will cast the last and final ballot!

Like Helen said above. America has denyed Her Faith in G-d. and as it is written we are for HIM or against HIM. no one sits on the fence. He told us what was will be like in the days of Noah, and there is NOthing new under the sun. G-d’s Word is truth. The commands have been thrown out, and there is NO Fear of G-d which brings knowledge. One thing for sure, from Gen 12 to the end is those who do not bless Israel is cursed, and all I can say is we did know everything about Obama but the hate for Bush finished off the minds of those who would have voted a Constitutioal Man. Like Hitler they bow down to him as Messiah. G-d warned of such a one coming in His Name, yet on they go thinking this man is a Christian..can you truly imagine the G-d of Abraham saying same sex marriage , abortion or appeasing the jihad is OK,,don’t think so folks.Everything we put our name on we are apart of..much less taking the land and giving it to the enemy. Look back at the wars day one and G-d’s part..and remember when they say peace peace then comes sudden destruction..

Ref: Helen.

You have hit this spot on. I have also spent some time in Israel, and believe that most Israeli’s are quite concerned about the vote results.They live in a “stand by” climate, only seconds away from a potential disaster.They represent our only true friend and ally in the whole region. Could someone please tell us all why in Heavens name did Obama get the Jewish vote with his pedigree, or what is known of him.

Some things are highly predictable; the black and Jewish votes going to Democrats are two highly predictable outcomes.  If the Jewish vote was dominant in the U.S., the country would long ago have become a socialist welfare state.  To paraphrase Mr. Irvine, this is a fact that we should stop ‘sugarcoating’.

Is it any coincidence that the Russian president is shooting his mouth off 1 day after the messiah is elected?  Well I guess obama can sit and talk with this thug. I hope his experience dining with his terrorists friends come in handy, but he is now playing in the major leagues and not in the back rooms of Chicago safe houses.

Jews have historically favored socialism and, therefore, the Democratic Party. 
As to Obama policies in office, he has told us that he will cut way down on our nuclear stockpile, he will cut down about one-third on our military budget.  I believe that he will also cancel our missile defense program. 
He will not get Ahmadinejad riled up and Israel will be on their own.
He seems totally unaware of any threat from either communists or Islamists.  Both groups will be flooding into the Obama Administration at top slots and will have access to all military secrets. 
Now to predict the future: Help!!  Argh…

Before the End of Times, there will be a seven year war in the Middle East. A charismatic man will come and many will follow him without question. Christ shall return.

Two out of three have happened. The end is near, and I am ready, I have no fears.

I’ve never had a reason to openly insult posters at this site but, I’m sorry, you guys are really being freaks about this. Did you think anybody was going to hand over the country to such crazy evangelicals?

Please: bookmark this page and return to it in four years. Cast a look at the world around you, which will still be there. Laugh quietly at your own nonsense. Learn and move on.

I think the problem with the Republican Party is that over the last 20 years, the Religious Right was allowed to lead the party away from professing the singular and widely-acceptable message of the pure “political conservatism” of Barry Goldwater and into a too-narrowly-defined, no-win, no-man’s-land of “social conservatism” and “cultural conservatism”.

Simply, while conservative political philosophy has a lot going for it, the country has become far too populous, far too diverse, and far too generationally-different to accept the minority social, cultural (and religioius) mores of an ethnocentrically-based minority.

The perfect example: For the last 45 years, the Catholic Church has continually professed and re-professed its conservative, rigid, black-and-white and generally unchanging beliefs involving not only religious precepts, but also its preservation of its preferred, traditional social and cultural standards – AND – in all that time, in the USA, it slowly but surely became unable to effectively recruit clergy and it has not been able to stop the continuous decline in its active membership (in spite of a doubling of the US population during the period).

Political conservatism should stand alone and should not be forced to profess and promote issues that are primarily religiously-based (as Barry Goldwater held).

???

Excuse me, but have we also lost freedom of Religion in this country? First of all, I do not attend church; I have NEVER tried to push my views on ANYONE.

As in the Old Testament, I believe the Temple is the person, not a building, one of the reasons the Catholic Church does no want the lost scroll of Jesus found? I do not vote according to religion, I vote for traditional American Values.

I also think, on both sides of the parties, if you claim to be religious, such as obama and McCain, then by supporting abortion makes you a hypocrite.

I simply vote for the candidate who is best for this country.

Not mention I do not agree with ANY preachers of the religious right, I do not care for the Falwell’s, or Buchanan’s, no religious right here. But I have read the bible, I consider myself a non denominational Christian, and how many time have I ever said anything religious in these threads other than the post above?

Odd that you took aim at my comment, yet no mention of other good people in this thread, such as Links #6 and #7

I have recently ditched the evil deceitful homepage (yahoo.com) for this one.  It is so refreshing to read articles that are not GROSSLY slanted to liberalism.  I just have one question…How does a Muslim (even though he claims Christianity) gain the trust and support of Jews?  Oh…wait…he just lies about everything…I forgot…

…It’s getting a little difficult to respond to this site as some messages including my own don’t get posted or disappear.  There is some bashing of the religious right by those who are not well acquainted with that political group. 
…Conservative economics is generally held to be free enterprise economics with the government acting as referee—not participant. 
…Conservative politics is small constitutional federal government serving in necessary ways without oppressing. 
…Conservative social issues are governmental policies that help promote compassion in material needs and protect freedom of speech and religion. 
…Most citizens are not conservative in all categories, but Christians are expected to be concerned with cultural issues.  If they are also politically active, they get labeled “religious right.”  That’s OK with me.  I’m conservative in all three categories. 
…Other writers have bashed those who talk of Jesus’ soon return.  He said in Luke 19:13, “Occupy until I return,” meaning we should keep about our daily work but be ready for His appearance at all times.  We do not put on white robes and sit on hillsides.  And, yes, we are citizens of the U.S. and have as much right and duty to help move the juggernaut of national policy as does anyone else, and we will continue to do so. 
Frank V

Hi Frank,

Sometimes it does not read the post code, I always copy my post to Word, if it doesn’t take, then hit the back button, refresh the page (F-5 Key), and copy and paste it again. It should work them.

Wesley

Thanks, Wesley,
…I’ve copied your directions in my notebook and will follow them. 
…Frank V.

Re: Post 18;

In our country, over and over again, public opinion polling results repeat and repeat again that the large majority of average Americans believes that “religion” should NOT enter into “government” – - and, from that, anyone should be able to also understand that, therefore, “religion” should NOT be inserted into politics, either!

Unfortunately, an evangelical and pentecostal minority, made up of many different subsets, has been able to exert influence on Republican party politics over the last dozen or 15 years – and to the extent that it has succeeded, it has created NOTHING but incessant divisiveness and a very UNChristian-like aura.

Social, cultural and religious conservatism SHOULD NOT be inserted into traditional political conservatism – and Big Daddy Goldwater and Guru and Chief Conservative Intellect William F. Buckley made that abundantly clear.

Politically, the GOP has to get beyond babies, bibles and guns.

To TK,
…You seem to think that our government should be wholly “secular” which is the new code word for atheist.  There is nothing in the Constitution to that effect.  I know that the liberals and the ACLU have been trying to get all reference to Christianity or deity out of everything owned or regulated by government and you obviously approve. 
…Do you believe that the government should be good?  Do you believe that it should be bad?  Do you believe that it should keep hands off of all moral issues?  How about justice?—Isn’t that a moral issue? 
Frank V. 
…The one area that irks “secularists” the most is the life-style moral issues.  Some people believe that there is no God and, therefore, everything is permitted.  Hence, the sexual revolution.  Christians and others believe that such life styles are not good for individuals or for the nation for several reasons.  One reason is the coming judgment of the Almighty, mention of which raises an atheist’s blood pressure. 
…The argument is over whether the government may or should enforce laws forbidding certain immoral activities.  The Constitution does not permit the government to pass such laws to promote a particular religion; but it may pass the laws to promote the general wellbeing of society. 
…These are fair questions for politics. 
Frank V.

Wow get over it.

- Todd Charske

Wow.
You people are wearing your tin foil hats inside out. This is the biggest pack of nutballs and fruitcakes I’ve ever seen.

Wesley: I don’t know what version of the Bible you read, but if it contains the word “charismatic” you need to get your money back or return it to the hotel you stole it from: it’s defetive.

And Jason: you don’t even try to hide your ignorant racism, do you?

Do they really let you people out in public?
I mean, without helmets and restraints?

To Frank Vosler, Post 22;

My point is that specific religious precepts should NOT be the tail that wags the politics dog – and even casual readers of history should easily recognize that the history of civilization is replete with examples of how religion in government has often become totally repressive and has, equally as often, been the singular cause of warfare, death and destruction among peoples of the world.  Currently, extremist Shia Muslims are a pretty good example of the concept.

Very simply, neither the operations of government nor the establishment of public policy should be based on specific religious precepts.  That is the essence of the ‘establishment clause in the Consitution.  And, of course, on the other hand, people may choose to be atheistic or agnostic, as they may also choose to be a member of any one of a couple dozen of various recognized religions in existence in this country.

John McCain lost the election in good part because he catered to the minority Religious Right in his party by selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate – and a clear majority of people in this country simply do not share nor, in some cases, even appreciate her fundamentalist evangelical or pentecostal religious beliefs.

RinTinTim

http://www.truechristian.org/antichrist_deceive/index.html

According to Scripture a powerful charismatic dictator will soon appear in the arena of World Politics and convince the vast majority of mankind that he is “CHRIST”. 
   
Countless millions of fine, hardworking, church going people, will number among those led astray by this spurious messiah.

And:

2 Timothy 3:1-5,7 1But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, unforgiving, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; 5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

To TK, Post #25

…Thank you for thoughtful comments.  There are “religious precepts” that are moral issues applicable to ALL people.  They are part of “natural law”.  Some think that rules on sexual behavior should not be in this category.  For my position on these matters I appeal to the wisdom of millennia enshrined in tradition.  Personally, I do not engage in these sex issues but respect those who do.  But I grant that much of the religious right are one-issue people. 
…I see that you block all religions together which shows that you are not acquainted with them in detail.  New Testament Christianity, which is the only genuine Christianity, is a wonderful blessing to any nation.  It has never been the cause of repression, warfare, death or destruction. 
…The slogan that “you can’t legislate morality” is 100% wrong.  In a properly functioning government, morality is the ONLY thing that you should legislate.  We refer to such laws as justice or rules of fair practices in commerce.  It’s all a matter of consensus conscience and is generally called natural law until it is encoded in statutory law. 
…As to the wisdom of McCain choosing Sarah Palin, Did he gain more Evangelical votes with her than he lost of people like you who probably wouldn’t have voted for him anyway?  I don’t know.

To Frank Vosler, Post 28;

Your comment:

“New Testament Christianity, which is the
only genuine Christianity, is a wonderful blessing to any nation.”

I hate to tell you this, Frank, but I believe your statement above is pure religious racism.  And, I think most objective and open-minded people would agree.

I’m a life-long and truly committed Christian believer (apparently in a Christian denomination different from yours), if not the perfect practitioner – - and I went to religious schools and even taught at a religious school for some time – - and I find your statement totally offensive.

And, “morality” exists in the heart and in the mind – - and law-making cannot “make” people’s hearts feel what they’re told to feel nor their minds to believe what their told to believe.  Laws reflect the social mores and cultural traits of the society which enacts them – as opposed to the other way around – which you apparently propose.

Anyway, anyone who actually believes their religion is the “genuine” and only true “Christian” religion and that their religion is the only one that would be a “blessing to any nation” is probably an extremist – - and a good example for keeping politics and religion separate.

TK,
  If you think that Frank’s statement (which you quoted) is “religious racism”…I don’t understand. 

First, what does racism have to do with religion…(maybe you meant religious prejudice). 

Second, if you are the “perfect practitioner” (sounds arrogant if you ask me), but if it is the case, then why would you be offended by someone’s comment that Christianity (in order to be genuine) would need to be “of the New Testament”…and why would such a “pure religion” as Frank describes be “religious racism” and offensive to such a believer as yourself?

Third, Frank never said (unless I just missed it) anything about “his” religion.  He did mention “New Testament” Christianity.  Any reasonable and knowledgeable individual would think that Christianity (which is established by the New Testament)would be “New Testament Christianity”.

Anyone, and I mean anyone who claims to be a Christian (including other religions are at 87%) according to the Rasmussen poll, including Obama and his supporters, Dems in both houses claim to be Christian and support Abortion are simply hypocrites.

All of his polls regardless of subject, of which I was also a participant when I decided to take them includes race, White (Caucasian), Black, Jewish, Asian, and other with a box to submit your race.

They all also have a place to declare your religion, Christian, Born Again Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, and Atheist.

Now imagine Abortion was legal 60 years ago, how many of us would be around today (I know I would be). Obama may never have been born, Bill and Hillary, think about it.

For TK, post #29
…Thanks, Jason (post 30).  Good job.  TK, you may have misread me on the relationship between law and morality.  Most law has to do with mandating the good, prohibiting the bad, and getting justice for those wronged.  “Good”, “bad”, and “justice” are all “moral” issues.  Perhaps you think the word “moral” just applies to sex matters.  I’m sure many think that and so we talk past each other. 
Frank

To Jason, Post 30;

First, from what I observe today, the word “racism” has become some kind of almost generic, catch-all reference to the conditions previously described with words such as prejudice, bias, discrimination, bigotry, etc.  Personally, I do agree that the most correct use of the word “racism” specifically describes discrimination based on “race”.

However, federal hate crime statutes also seem to use the term “racism” to describe what the statutes prohibit, i.e., discrimination based on race, religion or national origin.  The statutes seem to use the word “racism” to refer to all three areas of discrimination listed therein.

Consequently, anyone who believes their religion is the original and only true religion is ostensibly, prima facie, being “discriminatory” (and, to me, UNChristian), whatever other particular word or words one might choose to describe that discrimnation.

Second, my statement in the post you mention was “I’m a life-long and truly committed Christian believer (apparently in a Christian denomination different from yours), if not the perfect practitioner … “.  My meaning is that I’m a true believer – - but NOT a perfect practitioner (meaning my religious practice is inconsistent and not as good as I would like it to be).

Third, whether Frank was describing “his” religion or not is not the issue.  But, if you don’t get the “discimination” in his comments about religion – - or how someone could be offended by them – - then I guess you really don’t get the meaning of whatever other relevant word might be used to describe it – - racism, prejudice, discrimination, bigotry, bias, or whatever.

(Note:  If you get a chance, ask a religious Jewish or Muslim person what he or she might think of Frank’s statements about Christianity and how his version of it “is a blessing to any nation”.)

The stupidity of America is forgetting that America was founded on God and in fact the whole reason the “Pilgrims” came to America was religious freedom.  That prayed before every major decision.  Wish there were more values like that in government today.

- Todd Charske

The support of Obama at the polls by jewish americans is estimated to be around 80% and how could any one not percieve what was coming from a man who claimed to admire Reverend Wright and his vision. The perception among many working class whites is that the Jews are the most intellectual/well informed single voting bloc and yet they were led like sheep to the slaughter by this socalist(not the first time either). I think that jews in America are awakining to the reality of this mans agenda concerning the middle east and the state of israel(its to late to change vote but read and be informed). This is looking more like the culmination of zech 14 every day.