No, what’s unusual is the amount of $$$ a presidential CAMPAIGN is still throwing around; we are aware that WA$HINGTON IS BROKEN, they obviously want an uprising incited to complete what Bush started aka HOMELAND SECURITY.
Just another day, outstanding in the cornfield.

Dummy up, dummy.

Remember that Google recently confessed to spying on Gmail accounts and the Google CEO is in bed with BHO.  I wonder, would Google stoop to spying on e-mail in order to report on opposition to Obamacare?

Re: Post 2;

Was that the “American” Navy you were in?

Didn’t they have the medical resources necessary to treat paranoia way back then?

TK,

I rest my case, instead of contributing to these discussions, you go on the attack, and immediately change the subject. You are just as thin skinned as Obama the pouter.

Gallup and Rasmussen both came up with the same polling numbers, one poll directed at Independent voters.

Question: What do you think of Obama, and his Health Care proposal.

Independents: 68% are not in favor
Independents: 22% are in favor
Independents: 10% are unsure

Those not in favor were as low as 18% in January, in June: the number rose to 39%, therefore the numbers keep mounting from month to month.

Performance of Barack Obama:
Overall ‘Strong’ Disapproval by all voters has risen to 44%
Overall ‘Strong’ Approval by all voters has fallen to 36%

AIM article:

Democrats feeling stung by all the criticism they have faced at their health care town hall meetings struck back today with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid leading the way.

From the Politico

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid launched his harshest attack on the Republican Party in months, claiming the GOP is “being run by a talk show host.”

Reid, armed with a patch of Astroturf, slammed Republicans for sponsoring town hall attacks on Democrats and accused the party of waging a barricade on Democratic efforts to pass health care reform legislation.

“I just want to show you what Astroturf really is,” Reid said to laughter. “They’re taking their cues from talk show hosts, Internet rumor mongers, and insurance rackets.”

“I just think, as I’ve said before, it’s not often that you try to blow yourself up, but that’s obviously what they’re trying to do with all this vexatious stuff they’re doing with these meetings, the birthers. It’s a party being run by a talk show host,” Reid said.

A senior Republican Senate aide shot back: “Harry Reid will be surprised to learn that not only do the people he routinely insults have opinions, they also vote. Right now the ‘astroturf’ is out-polling Harry Reid 60-40 in Nevada.”

But Democrats seemed to be on a roll with their pushback Thursday.

“These guys don’t care about you,” Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin said of the town hall protesters. “They care about YouTube.”

“We can spot a ringer,” Durbin said.

Reid acknowledged that Democrats faced questions about their health care reform push, but he said the party was gradually working through and making progress in what he described as a difficult legislative process.

“People have concerns about it. Rightfully so. They should have concerns about it. We all have concerns about it,” he said. “But even if people have concerns about it, they shouldn’t stand in the way of a process that is one that is deliberative and trying to arrive at a product that we can all be proud of.”

Reid and Durbin are acting as if the Democrats have never organized a campaign against the GOP or conservatives on issues they disagreed with.  What they are really trying to do is paint the concerned citizens as lunatics for daring to disagree with them and gain sympathy for their position.  The bottom line is that the citizen protesters are having an impact and have cast doubts on the Obama plan across the country.

http://www.aim.org/don-irvine-blog/reid-gop-run-by-a-talk-show-host

And a White House who wants to spy on any dissenters regarding Health Care, that is beyond “Big Brother”, it is also illegal, he is stepping from Free Speech, as are the Liberals, had Bush done the same thing, he would have been excoriated, and a would have called for an Impeachment.

These Town Hall meetings are grassroots, they are shooting themselves in the foot, along with the MSM, I am sure all those 65 year old and older were planned, and the fact that more than half were Democrats and Independents.

So, in an effort to allow disruption at these spontaneous protesters, he has now called out the muscle from the SIEU Local 100, AFL-CIO and other Unions, and last Thursday night “outside the meeting in one case” the Union Members beat and kicked a Black Man for handing out “Don’t Tread On Me” buttons and window flags. Inside the meetings, they are shoving elderly people into walls who are against the Health Care program. 

TK, then you have the gall to put down a US Military man for his expression? That is below the belt.

This is why I have told you before, you should seek mental health professionals for your problem…and you will have to do it soon if ObamaCare is passed.

Wesley in Dallas;

Well said!  He has been dubbed Thought Killer for good reason.

BHO and his insiders are products of Chicago politics and we the people are finding out exactly what that means.

Post #5:

Old Navy Vet,

Apologies for not replying sooner, my Wife and I were out of town for my Son’s Wedding. Other than the wedding gifts we gave them, I cashed in one of my IRA’s into a trust fund for him.

My company has Offices all over the US and International, I had to spend a year working in the Chicago area. With so many people who live there are always complaining about their corrupt politics…Makes me wonder how Democrats keep getting elected there.

I am sick of this so-called Transparent President, who has done nothing but lie to us, as has the Liberals in both Houses and the Media. No tax increases…my butt!

I posted this in another thread on AIM, but it fits this thread:

With all these Town Hall Meetings, with people of every persuasion are rebelling against ObamaCare, for some reason, the White House, Pelosi and her backup, Steny Hoyer, and Harry Reid. In fact the majority of protesters were Democrats, Independents, and some Republicans.

Pelosi and Reid have called anyone who opposes Universal Health Care, “Un-American”.

Upon request, the SEIU Members assault Democrats and Republicans at Town Hall Meeting, charges have been filed against five SEIU Members beating down a Black (Democrat) for expressing his dislike of the Obama Health Care Plan

SEIU Members assaulted a female reporter and assaulted and another female photo journalist filming the event for the news, calls her many vulgar names, and then hits her, she too has filed charges against the Union Member. (Florida)

The Obama White House has not Condemned the Violence regarding the SEIU and AFL-CIO at Town Hall Meetings, if fact Kathleen Sebelius made a phone call with SEIU on Wednesday last week, talking about the “Purple Army” (SEIU’s Color, and wear Purple Shirts with SEIU on the back of the shirts in large letters) encouraging members of the SEIU to keep doing what they are doing.

Pelosi/Hoyer: Town hall disruptions ‘un-American’
Is calling the protesters at your event “un-American” the best political path?
Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer think so, with their op-ed in this morning’s USA Today saying that “drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0809/PelosiHoyer_Town_hall_distruptions_unAmerican.html

One Michigan Man, Mike Sola who has a child with Cerebral Palsy, was complaining to the Democratic Congressman John Dingell. Mr. Sola was asking about Health Care for his son, which would not be covered by ObamaCare. The next night at around 1:30am, three men awoke him, when he answered the door, they told him…“See, we know where you live, so keep your mouth shut, or it would be shut for him”, and threatened his family with harm. “Mr. Sola replied to the men, to tell whoever sent them to come see him in person during the “Day”’

From an interview with Mr. Sola and his attorney.

  DEADLY DOCTORS
O ADVISERS WANT TO RATION CARE

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

Opponents of the the Health Care Bill are being called Mob Rule, and RNC Organized, the the Proponents of Heath Care are being called “Patriotic Supporters”. Showing the people referred to in the news story, the opponents are carrying homemade signs and all have differing messages…The proponents are ALL carrying pre-printed signs, which all say the same thing. So who seems best “organized” to you?

Rest of the Article:

By BETSY MCCAUGHEY
Washington Post

The health bills coming out of Congress would put the decisions about your care in the hands of presidential appointees. They will decide what plans cover, how much leeway your doctor will have and what seniors get under Medicare.
Yet at least two of President Obama’s top health advisers should never be trusted with that power.
Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. He has already been appointed to two key positions: health-policy adviser at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research.
Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. “Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely ‘lipstick’ cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change.
Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, “as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others”.
Yes, that’s what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.
Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they’ll tell you that a doctor’s job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.
Emanuel, however, believes that “communitarianism” should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those “who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens.
Translation: Don’t give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson’s or a child with cerebral palsy.
He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: “Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years”

Re: Post 4;

Your statement:

“…I rest my case, instead of contributing to these discussions, you go on the attack, and immediately change the subject. You are just as thin skinned as Obama the pouter…”

You have no “case”, just more of your same-old baloney.

For me:

(1.)  I see the biggest health care problem to be out-of-control escalating costs.  I’m FOR whatever measures will help to keep those costs under control.

(2.)  I am FOR whatever measures will effectively help reduce insurance premium costs for the 5%-10% of self-employed, 1099 workers, and employees of companies which DO NOT provide health insurance – - all of whom must buy their own individual insurance – which generally runs at least twice the cost of employee-group insurance.

(3.)  I am NOT in favor of dramatically-expanded Medicaid to serve those who cannot afford insurance or direct-paid health care – BUT – everyone else pays for the services provided to the uninsured anyway so – it’s probably the best alternative for that particular group.

(4.)  There is NO DOUBT that the health care insurance companies ALREADY RATION care by dropping the unhealthy, refusing procedures, increasing co-pays, reducing coverages, increasing premiums, etc., with every bit as much ‘bureaucracy’ coming into play as the critics say would occur with a government program.

(5.)  Medicare is already a socialistic, single-payer system combined with private supplementary insurances – and – IT WORKS well NOW for some 40+ million Americans.

(6.)  The people who are doing the most complaining about health care reform seem to be those whose employers have ALWAYS provided insurance for them – and they do not realize the problems of those who have to pay for health care themselves, who have to qualify and pay the premiums for individual insurance, or who cannot get insurance because they cannot afford it or they are denied individual coverage because of pre-exhisting conditions or other factors.

Your statements:

a.)  “… TK, then you have the gall to put down a US Military man for his expression? That is below the belt…”

That person’s “expression” was completely off-the-wall – and keep in mind about “military men” – Lee Harvey Oswald was a former Marine.  (And keep in mind, that “Old Navy Vet” didn’t have a clue what the significance of “Non Sibi Sed Patriae” was when I mentioned it him in a POSITIVE CONTEXT!)

b.)  “…This is why I have told you before, you should seek mental health professionals for your problem…and you will have to do it soon if ObamaCare is passed…”

Listen to who’s calling a kettle black!

(And I would suggest that you should try to use all that spare time you have on your hands to get a real education that might actually aid you in really understanding the issues you bloviate and blather about here.)

Post 8:

TK, you completely missed the meat and potatoes of my post #4, were my talking points above your abilities to comprehend…you never addressed them.

Let’s not forget who started this war between you and I, it wasn’t me, yet you still maintain I am the bad person, no matter what you say, people know what you do, and that is to rip everyone who disagrees with you, then throw your insults at them.

What perplexes me is we seem to agree on many things, more now than a few months ago. All I have been saying about having an NHS is a bad thing for this country, if passed we will start having sub-par doctors/specialists, and many Rookie Interns. My Oncologist for the past 5 years has told me that if NHS passes, he will be retiring from M.D. Anderson Cancer Center. He told me that many of his colleagues have already taken retirement.

The Bi-Partisan Heath Care Plan would work, but Government and Media Supporters of NHS do not like the idea of Tort Reform, which would limit Class Action lawsuits and Medical Malpractice insurance would be much more reasonable. The effect of doing his would trickle down to OUR current insurance and cut Premiums by two-thirds. The plan also covers every single American who cannot afford Private Heath Care, including the homeless.

Every single time Tort Reform has come up (16 times) it has either been voted down by Democrats, or filibustered to failure. Such as in many countries have now, if you fail to make your case, the defense attorney must pay, in many filed cases overseas, the courts will not allow a claim over the equivalent of $15 Million to be even heard by the court.

In every Health Care poll taken, 83% of Americans rate their current Health Care Good/Excellent, what is it about that number the Democrats do not understand? I am so sick of hearing there are 47 million people being not covered. There are 30 million of that number are where people have chosen not to participate in Company Provided Heath Care, which leaves 17 million, and 7 million of those are illegal aliens, so there is only 10 million of Americans who are not covered.

Those 10 Million would have the same coverage under the Bipartisan Bill extremely coverable with as good as insurance as anyone. Put Capital Gains back to where it was, eliminate NHS, and Cap and Trade all necessary, and a huge return of lost businesses, and Small Businesses returning spurring Job Growth.

Jobless numbers of 6.7 million are not accurate according to the individual Unemployment Offices reporting these numbers. I does not count those who have filed, and failed to find a job…It dose not account for those who have not filed for claims since many are either making it on a single family worker, nor does it count on those who are too proud to go there. Many people are working as temporaries only working 15 – 25 hours per week, those are being treated by the Government as full time employment, thus making the jobless rates well above 10.8% easily, if not more.

Not to mention, the average Tax Receipts are down 23% over this time last year, as more and more layoffs and businesses closing, the Tax Receipts will only grow to the point to where the Middle Class will have to pay taxes. Although Obama has maintained that NO ONE making under $200,000 or $250,000 per year. But they will have to be taxed, and not only that tax, when Obama does not keep the Bush Tax Cuts, then they will have to pay even more taxes, meaning Obama will in effect raise taxes by default. This all amounts to Bush 41’s “No New Taxes”, which killed any chance at re-election.

Re: Post 9;

The same GOP/former Dixiecrats gripes, disinformation and obstructionist tactics were employed in the mid-‘60s when the Johnson administration devised the Medicare program.  Nevertheless, the program passed and has operated successfully for some 44 years – and most Medicare enrollees are extremely happy with the government program combined with supplemental private insurance.  There’s no reason to believe that same kind of program wouldn’t work for the entire population.

However – as I noted above – the health care problem that is becoming destructive to individuals, businesses and the economy is – out-of-control, escalating costs.  Controlling costs is the base issue that has to be dealt with.  (The single-payer element of Medicare HAS reduced costs – and the problem therein is to now “contain” costs.  And, note: a good part of health care costs are attributable to predatory pricing – and costs only indirectly-related to healthcare, i.e., various overhead items like insurance, marketing and advertising, IT, energy, finance costs, etc.)

In any event, several presidents (Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Clinton) over the last 75 years have been trying to create some fair and equitable system that will economically benefit the masses and wherein costs will be stabilized and contained.  I certainly support the concept.

And note: Drug manufacturers are spending hundreds of billions per year on advertising to the general public – when only doctors can fully understand and dispense the drugs being advertised! Plus,  Americans are being charged predatory prices for drugs that can be bought in other countries for only 20%-50% of the American price!  I would favor regulation that would prevent these and similar practices.

Tort reform (what we’re really talking about is limiting the dollar-value of jury awards) is NEVER going to happen on a large scale – simply because the majority of politicians and lobbyists, regardless of political affiliation – ARE LAWYERS.  And the same is true in most state legislatures.  So – fugeddaboudit.  And – it’s a red herring, anyway!  Make the drug manufacturers stop advertising on TV and in print media – and the savings will be enough to pay ALL jury awards annually several times over!

Your statement:

“…In every Health Care poll taken, 83% of Americans rate their current Health Care Good/Excellent, what is it about that number the Democrats do not understand?…”

Most of that 83% has NOT used their insurance to any significant degree – and most of that 83% have insurance full or mostly paid for by their employers – and they have NO IDEA of the problems that confront the other 17% – including refusal of insurance, refusal of services and UNBELIEVABLY HIGH PREIUMS for insurance that has to be purchased by individuals because they are not in a situation where some employer is picking up the tab.  PLUS – the VAST MAJORITY of the 83% is woefully under- or misinformed on complex and detailed health care insurance matters in the first place – and that fact is also woefully obvious by things being said and asked in various health care “Town Halls”.  And – beyond that – all five current versions of the proposed legislation WILL NOT EFFECT those who are happy with their insurance – they can stick with what they’ve got.

AND – your last three paragraphs wander off into topical areas that have nothing to do with “fighting lies on health care”.

Your bitching is based completely in the fact that you’re a Republican and the current administration and the genesis of the current health care legislation is proposed and is being shepherded by Democrats – so, consequently, you would oppose it NO MATTER WHAT.

In the end, as with the other attempts by various administrations to pass some form of health care legislation – this attempt will also mostly fail – because of partisan (and very uninformed or misinformed) objection and the lobbying by health care-related special interests.  I’m convinced the ONLY thing that will pass here is an expansion of the state-operated Medicaid programs to include somewhat more of those people who cannot afford insurance premiums or care on their own – and the self-employed, independent contractors, and those working for small businesses that do not provide health care insurance – WILL CONTINUE TO BE SCREWED by the vagaries and obscene premium costs of individually-purchased health insurance and the companies who sell it.

The absurd circus currently surrounding this issue is a clear example of where basic ignorance, misinformation, disinformation and ridiculously over-the-top political partisanship will have once again operated DIRECTLY against the common good.

In the end, those “paying” for health care insurance premiums or services will continue to experience higher costs to cover services being provided free to those with insurance or the money to pay for their services.

(Note:  Just today, I saw a typical white, working class woman (in a retail job without insurance and maybe in her mid-50s) on TV who was recently in the hospital for TWO DAYS for the emergency implantation of a pacemaker.  The total bill was $200,000; the cost from the supplier of the pacemaker alone was $72,000!  The woman will have to file bankruptcy and lose her house because she cannot pay the tab – and everyone else – INCLUDING EMPLOYERS WHO DO PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE – will see their premiums and service costs going up to cover the ever-increasing unpaid costs such as these!  If nothing is done to avert situations like this – the cost problem will grow – and more-and-more people will end up being unable to pay the rapidly-escalating costs – increasing the costs for the rest even more.  There is a vicious cycle at play here that has NOT been ‘resolved by the free market”!)

Post 10:

TK, can you not make a post without an insult embedded in your somewhat (but understandable in your view) lengthy but skewed reply?

If you actually believe we will get anything close to socialized Health Care, you are sorely mistaken. For instance, in any of the three Health Care Bills (which will combine to change Health Care as we know it today, the best in the world) there is not one single mention of Abortion, but do you not think that every doctor who knows the procedure will not be required to perform one when asked?

As for Drug Companies and costs, with my wife working for Genentech (not that I did not already know how it works), but being a C.P.A. she was enlightened. The cost of a single new drug costs Parimutuels must pay out to invent something from nothing, a tremendous amount of research must first be done, this can involve as many as 30 scientists (who are not cheap, or they would not spend six to eight years in college), expensive lab equipment. Thousands of tests for each ingredient, reformulations, Animal Testing, Drug Trials.

For instance, the various Chemo Therapy drugs take up to 8 to 15 years to develop and finally get approval from the FDA. It literally takes sometimes Hundreds of Billions of dollars to make a drug which is safe and works as intended. There are not always Grant available to fund most new life saving drugs. About the only government funding are for Aids drugs, and even then so much more money is needed, which is why you always see AdCoucil and other Organizations who raise money for a possible cure and/or life extending drugs. Those have run into the Trillions.

Even Obama’s own Health Care people are on a curve according to Age and medical conditions, with the most Health Care going to the youngest Americans…On this chart of the curve, ages 25 to 40 is the peak of who gets the best coverage. Expert in his own people are saying hardly anyone would know the difference for a few years, as the plan will be morphing into what he eventually really wants.

And yes, the Private Health Care cost have almost doubled over the past year, as more and more people become unemployed, those in Private insurance must pay more to make up for the difference. But Greed just is not part of the equation, it is survival of the companies themselves. When those eventually go away, there will be even more unemployment. It is a domino effect.

What is worse, is Obama has kept up the Sub-Prime mortgages, the next batch of those who cannot pay are about to hit us…again, because this time they were not given as much wiggle room on paying mortgages such as partial payments, and fewer grace periods. So, all this new growth we are seeing now is about to come to an abrupt end, which is why I bought stocks when the Dow (as an indicator) was down to 8,152, I bought in…I put in a sell order last Thursday at 9,386. Those earnings will have the current taxes paid, and the proceeds will never see any sort of banking institution.

While the dollar is still worth something, the last time I did this, the money was exchanged for foreign currencies.

I am out of time for this evening, so finished or not, I must go…

Re: Post 11;

If you wife works for a pharmaceutical manufacturing company – then, obviously, you are not likely to be objective in any discussion of possible reform of the U.S. health care system.

And, if the topic here is “health care”, I have no idea why you would babble on about “… What is worse, is Obama has kept up the Sub-Prime mortgages…”

You’re just another of the anti-Obama and anti-Democrat partisan propagandists.

P.S.

And what I said is: “in the end, the ONLY thing that this proposed health care legislation will likely accomplish is to provide for an expansion of the state-run Medicaid programs so that some of those without health insurance will qualify for Medicaid”.

Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, Nixon and Clinton all tried to develop a national health care program – but only Johnson succeeded (with Ted Kennedy’s assistance) with a national health care plan for retirees, i.e., Medicare – which has been pretty successful to date. 

(And – have you noticed – the majority of out-of-control “gripers” at health care legislation-related “Town Hall” meetings (whether Democratic or Republican “Town Halls”) definitely appear to be the “OLD GEEZERS” crowd, i.e., people older than 65 who are already on Medicare and have no stake in the discussion!)

(Note: YOUR state apparently has the highest percentage of workers WITHOUT health care insurance in the nation!  Are you aware of that?)

TK: “(Note: YOUR state apparently has the highest percentage of workers WITHOUT health care insurance in the nation!  Are you aware of that?)”

Most of which are illegals, which the Government count as citizens.

Not to mention we have more Blacks and Hispanics who refuse to accept offered Health Care from the companies they work for, I had the same problem with those who refused to enroll when I was there.

Government funded experts have rated Texas as the #1 Best State overall, just in the past year our population has exploded. Where do you think all those Millionaires and Billionaires who left California moved to…85% to Texas. (Not State Taxes for one thing)

We have the #1 best housing market.

As for most ‘all’ of your posts are completely baseless and without merit, which do not deserve a reply. You really need to get a grip on reality.

What really irked me when I traveled to my son’s wedding was noticing gas prices had raised to $2.29 per gallon for Regular Unleaded.

It also appears as though I was correct in stating there would be Middle Class Tax increases, today the House Democratic Bill proposes $554 Billion in New Income Taxes which will hit the Middle Class, also included in this Bill is, $500 Billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, $37 Billion in new Business Taxes, Demands to Insure 17 Million illegals.

So much for Promises…

I just do not understand debt, we were raised in poverty until I was able to get a Summer and after school job working in the oil fields, damn hard work. By the time I was 15, my father managed to get a loan to buy a Gasoline Station, then bought yet two more. He eventually became…well let’s just say in his retirement he is very comfortable, but has never forgotten his roots.

And neither have I, at age 13 I decided I would never be poor again. Starting off things were tough money wise, I would do without before letting myself into debt, and have never looked back. When we bought this new home on a 30 year mortgage, we paid it off in 12 years. The last two automobiles we purchased were paid with with a check, before hand we would transfer savings into our bank account, when they called the bank to check on funds available, they were told there were more than enough to cover the check. I married a like minded woman, it actually amazed me that people who have huge credit card debts, I had a credit card when times for me were rough, but I would not use it, unless I KNEW I could pay it off the next month.

We accumulated more wealth during Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 than any other administration, even while on Disability I have managed to increase savings with stocks, money markets, mutual funds (sold all our T-Bills when Obama was elected, and a damn good thing we did).

We both have and use two credit cards each, they all have awards programs where we get free gift certificates, not one of our interest rates are above 6.5%, we pay off each credit card every month, we have yet to have a balance owed.

We never buy things we do not need, and use common sense when ever money is going to be spent.

I raised my son the same way I was.

* Always take responsibility for your actions
* Respect people until you have a good reason not to any longer, then just walk away
* Excellent work Ethic
* Save, Save, Save
* Never go into debt
* Fight for your rights as an American
* Always Vote, and always go to Jury Duty when called
* Never forget the soldiers who have served and dies for our continued freedoms (he has always done this, and served our country as a REAL Marine
* Always without fail, stand up for those who are unable to themselves, for whatever reason (being 6’ 5” 260lbs w/3% body fat (works out every day), knows three hand to hand combat, no one bothers him, mainly because he never causes trouble, and is a quiet person.

Yes, I changed the subject on purpose, it is a message to our Government. If you do not have it, do not spend it, and you sure as hell do not print money when in debt, it hurts all of us. There is also a Bipartisan effort to force the Federal Reserve to open their books to BOTH parties. Obama says it will never happen, I suppose they could go to the Supreme Court. Some things have been leaked, and they are not good, such as spending no one knows about, but a few.

Re: Post 13;

(See what I mean by “overly-long and rambling”?)

1.) “…Most of which are illegals, which the Government count as citizens…”

The “most are illegals” part is probably legitimately debatable.  The government DOES NOT count “illegals” as “citizens”.  “Illegals” and “citizens” are two different things.

2.)  “…Not to mention we have more Blacks and Hispanics who refuse to accept offered Health Care from the companies they work for…”

Do you really expect anyone to believe that Black and Hispanic (no whites?) employees would actually “refuse” health care insurance which is being freely-provided by their employers?

(Note: To my knowledge, none of the five or six versions of the proposed health care reform legislation to date extend any of coverage provisions to “illegal immigrants” – although they currently are getting unreimbursed services in emergency rooms (which raises the prices for the rest of us) – and if they have “anchor babies” – those children may be receiving “free” health care under Medicaid and/or other state-run welfare programs.)

The rest of your lengthy post has nothing to do with “health care” – and it rambles on about un-related issues and personal matters which are of little interest to me.

Post 14:

Wrong again Neo-Lib, have you not read the differing versions of the Universal Health Care Bill, up to the latest. They all provide for automatic coverage to all illegal aliens, if passed all they have to do is sign up, then they will be fast-tracked to citizenship.

Republicans have three Bipartisan Bills for Health Care reform (which is exactly what Obama promised during the election…“REFORM”) not a word about Universal.

Should the Democrats go against those 83% of Americans who do not want it, and they shove it down our throats anyway (Or uses the Nuclear Option passing by 50 votes eliminating Blue Dog Democrats), Obama will suffer the same fate as Bush 41’s “Read My Lips”, he will become a lame duck for the rest of his ONE term. If you look at the polling as to who all are attending these Town Hall Meetings, are many Republicans, Independents, Democrats, and even many Blacks are there protesting: See Gallup…

For the record, I really could care less (the proper way to use that phrase) what you think of me or anyone else you always try to tear down.

Re: Post 15;

Your silly statement:

“…For the record, I really could care less (the proper way to use that phrase) what you think of me …”

I know what a waste of time this is – but – you’re WRONG again – just like you were at least two other times when you’ve made an issue of this;

The PROPER statement is: “I really could NOT care less” – meaning that your “not caring” was MAXIMIZED – that you do not care to the max.

Your way: “I really could care less” means that you’re somewhere BETWEEN “caring” and “not caring” – and that your amount of “caring” is NOT yet at its minimum level.

I know you’re not too big on facts or logic – but you do have the whole weekend to concentrate on this and see if you can follow the logic at play in the two versions of the statement.

Personally, I couldn’t care less!

Your way is grammatically incorrect, it contains a double negative Couldn’t (Could not) and Care Less. Geez, that was even taught in High Schools if not Jr. High (Now called Middle Schools).

It may not be taught that way now, but it was when WE went to school.

And please TK, stop making things up…Such as:

“…meaning that your “not caring” was MAXIMIZED – that you do not care to the max.

Your way: “I really could care less” means that you’re somewhere BETWEEN “caring” and “not caring” – and that your amount of “caring” is NOT yet at its minimum level.”

Don’t believe me, contact a Linguist.

But, I could care less.