GOP Cracking Open the ACORN
By Don | October 11, 2008
The economic crisis has seriously damaged GOP hopes in November but the ACORN investigation might allow them to regain just a little of the momentum they lost recently.
From the Politico.
It’s the newest charge against Sen. Barack Obama in the presidential campaign: that he worked, as a young community organizer, with a group now involved in voter registration fraud.
But while this particular accusation may be new, the group in question, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is one of the oldest political targets around.
The latest wave of ACORN investigations has provided Republicans with both an opening to assail an old foe, and a new line of criticism to use against the Democratic presidential nominee, who represented ACORN in a lawsuit in the 1990s.
Thanks to ACORN voter fraud is likely to be a major issue in the last few weeks of the campaign and only reminds voters of old Democratic styled politics that had dead people voting.
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Obama is linked to so many shady organizations and characters, yet the mainstream media gives him a pass. If he were the man of integrity that he claims to be, he would recuse himself from this election. But we are seeing he is a liar and a deceiver who is a socialist, racist, no resume, accomplished nothing radical who’s not even qualified to be a toilet cleaner. People, start thinking or do you prefer to just be that stupid?
It is sad to me that the American election system, that was until recent years considered a model for the entire world, has been systematically assaulted by the left as they are so hungry for victory. It does not occur to them to win by their message, because the message is repugnant. They believe that they know what is best for others, and even if the majority of people do not agree, then they will just skew the election results by cheating. But what else is new, it is what they are all about - cheating.
What to me is surprising is that they have cheated through false registering and cheating at the polls in the last two elections of 2000 and 2004, and a little more so as time passed, and still could not win, but it appears that they made a concerted effort this time as they feared that Obama could not be elected by message. But they have been so successful with their parallel efforts to destroy capitalism at the same time, that they have almost perhaps destroyed McCain’s efforts, that at least this time, they did not have to go to all the effort at destroying the ekection system?
One thing is certain, if somehow they are not successful, and Obama goes down in defeat, then can there be any message to all of us except that liberalism is really dying? If they can’t win with people voting that are ineligible, and with multiple votes from the same people, and from the dead voting for them, then their true numbers are significantly declining.
At least, now that Democrats have been so successful at destroying the system by which we vote in this country, we will not have to worry about Jimmy going around the world aiding other nations in having clean elections without fraud. After all, it is his very party that has destroyed the world model which gave him the backing to self righteously go to other countries.
Perhaps we can get observers from other nations to come here now to show us how a fraud free election should be held? But they should not go around with Jimmy when they do, as he has allowed himself to be discredited by sanctioning his party’s fraud - he sanctioned it when he did not speak out loudly against his own people.
A long time ago, a relatively quiet journalist by the name of Mencken noted that nobody every went broke betting on the ignorance of the masses, so to speak. I wish I could come up with something that held its truth for as long as this has. Also, reference PT Barnum previous to Mencken.
ACORN knows its fraudulent activities may garner some fines but it has plenty of money to pay them. None of the workers proven to commit fraud are sent to jail that I know of. Millions of illegal votes they do get counted will help elect Obama so they have nothing to lose.
Besides, we taxpayers fund most of their activities so they enjoy a lot of great perks for being a group intent on bringing down the U.S.
Obama trained them in Alinsky tactics well.
Here’s a few more items on ACORN. First, they are a major part of the problem that lead to the sub-prime mortgage disaster. Second, thanks to some legislation, they will “eat at your table” everytime you get a loan involving real estate. There will be an obscure clause and fee in the closing documents. Third, a lot of those fraudulent votes have already been cast and are waiting to be counted on Election Day due to relaxed early/absentee voting proceedures. Any town harboring a college is particularly vulnerable to this abuse. For example, UC Davis students have had a huge say in Yolo County and Davis, CA politics since 1968 after the age change, registration and residency law changes went into effect.
There’s a difference between “phony voter registration” and “fraudulent voting”.
Does anyone think a voting official somewhere is actually going to let the phonily-registered Mr. Mickey Mouse actually vote?
The phony registrations are the result of ACORN paying desperate people, i.e., povery-sticken, the homeless, alcoholics, drug addicts, etc., to go out and “earn money” by generating “voter registrations” - - signing up people to vote for a couple of dollars each. Naturally, the poverty-sticken, the homeless, the alcoholics and drug addicts are going to game the system to get as much money as they can from it.
However, it’s an entirely different story to assume that these phoney registrants will actually get to vote. Voting officials everywhere are pretty good at actually limiting voting to legitimate and PROPERLY-REGISTERED voters.
Voter regisration should be limited to that normally conducted by legally-authorized public officials operating in their properly authorized public offices, plus via the “motor-voter” process in the jurisdictions wherein that function legally exists.
The issue as it now appears in the media (as it has in all prior elections) does smack of cultural warfare and, obviously, racism, both of which obviously still exist in significant quantities in this country.
Come On TK, we are not that stupid here. They are already finding that those phony registrations have things in common such as the registration card going to strategic addresses that have Democrats from other states living there, and then all they have to do is request an absentee ballot.
In addition, if the phony registrations can get through the Elections offices, and many seem to be doing that, MOST states do not ask for ID, you just walk up to your Ward or Precinct, if voting in person, and say your name, they look it up and when they see it they have you sign in, and there is not even a signature to check against. The four states that I have lived in in my life do not require one to show ID at the polls.
Most phony voting is done by absentee though. We need to go back to absentees only for those that actually will be absentee, and not because they are too lazy to go to the polls. And it is the “Motor Voter” laws that started all this election corruption - and they were all started by Democrats. If a voter is to lazy to go to their county elections office or city clerk and register in person to vote, then they should not be voting. Additionally, ID should be required at polls in all states, and Democrats have fought that every step of the way, including in the courts.
And take your constant racism and shove it. Every knowledgable person knows that the racism in this election is coming from you liberals, it is not and has not come from the right. And now you can lie again and tell me you are really a Conservative.
Sorry Charlie, everything you post tells everyone else here, except you and you aliases, that you are a LIBERAL. And your racism is getting REALLY old.
To Hansen, Post 8;
In the two states I’ve lived in most recently (one generally Blue, one generally Red), to register to vote, I first had to go to the office of the (in my case, County) Registrar of Voters with a picture ID (showing legal name, address and signature - in my case, a driver’s license) and EVIDENCE that I actually lived in that County which, in my case, was a copy of my home’s deed (tenants had to present a copy of their lease or multiple current utility bills showing legal name and address).
In turn, in both states, I then received an official “Voter Registration” card which included my “registration number” AND my signature AND the specific “precinct” (specific polling place and its ‘ID number’) in which I had to vote - - where, upon arrival, I first had to show my Voter Registration card, together with my photo ID (driver’s license), along with signing their roster before they would let me vote. My info (and signature) also had to match up with the databased info they had on file at the polling place; and, if there was a problem, I would have been given a “provisional” ballot which would only have been counted after I was officially “verified” as a legitimate voter in that precinct.
To get an absentee ballot, I had to fill out an application, including repeating exactly the info I submitted to register in the first place, along with including my Voter Registration ID number and the ID number of the precinct where I was assigned to vote, plus signature, and mail it or physically take it to the Registrar of Voters office. After the application was reviewed, verified and approved, I was sent a ballot via mail.
So, in both my recent cases (two very important states to any presidential candidate), it is EXTREMELY difficult for someone to game the system and enter multiple “fraudulent” votes or vote using multiple IDs. It would take more than one person on the “inside”, at the specific polling place, to cooperate with the fraud in order for it to work, since all the voter info provided is checked by multiple poll workers.
In both states, voter registration was done only by the local Registrar of Voters, each of whom had a travelling registration unit which, from time-to-time, would be set-up at local shopping malls or large civic events and one (the Red state) which provided for in-person voter registration when one renewed vehicle registration or dirver’s license.
I’ve also lived in other states and other voting jurisdictions and I’ve never seen any process anywhere which was as sloppy as you infer is the fact on a widespread scale.
And, if you truly believe ALL voting fraud is caused ONLY by Democrats and that there’s NO anti-black racism at play in this election, then you’re just completely out of touch with reality.
I saw, firsthand, plenty of Republican-initiated voter fraud in the 2000 election and I’ve had more than one good ol’ Southern Baptist and a couple of Northern Catholics say to me, “You couldn’t REALLY vote for a black guy, could you?”
Racism is certainly alive and well, Ace, especially out in the southern and hillbilly boondocks, and it’s most certainly a factor which is actively at play in this election.
Anecdotal evidence is very minor, and all challenges are followed up in voting precincts. If you saw first-hand fraud going on it was your duty to report it and testify. If you didn’t do so, then you aided and abetted the fraud.
We have approximately half our states that require no ID in polls (thanks to Democrats), and that’s where the phony registrations are used to give votes to the Democrat. People go to several different precincts with different names and addresses to vote. ACORN busses them around and pays them for their time and services.
The Dems know they can’t win elections without cheating, and that’s the only reason they do it. Since they don’t believe in Hell, they think any crime is fair game if they get by with it.
To Wysiwyg, Post 10
Your comment:
“The Dems know they can’t win elections without cheating, and that’s the only reason they do it. Since they don’t believe in Hell, they think any crime is fair game if they get by with it.”
Regardless of one’s political preferences, this is one of the most inane and assinine comments I’ve read here yet written by a supposedly educated adult.
I saw GOP voter fraud in 2000, sent the appropriate letters and emails and made relevant phone calls to the proper jurisdictional authorities, but the inmates were running the asylum and they weren’t about to act on anything that was in disagreement with their fraudulent operational objectives. It’s similar to a jailed inmate complaining to a guard about another guard’s mistreatment of him. That boat don’t float! So - - it really was WYSIWYG!
Bravo Wysiwyg! I heard the number today was only 7 states that actually require you present ID when you go to vote. Every single time I have voted in my life, in 3 different states, I have had my wallet out and have my voter ID Ward-Precinct Card in hand along with my drivers license, and not once in my entire life have I been asked for it. And having been a precinct committeeman in 3 states, and been very involved in the get out the vote process in all, along with involvement in placing signs etc, it has ALWAYS been the Democrats that ALWAYS broke the rules - while normally leftist leaning government employees illegally stole our signs while leaving Democrat signs in place. Democrat signs do not get vandalized but Republican signs do. Democrat signs are placed by Precinct doors in violation of the laws, but Republican signs a block away from the Precinct location are illegally snatched up by government criminals.
Wysiwyg - when TK says something, always remember that he is spouting liberal talking points. They are in the process of trying to cover their butts for the crimes committed by their criminal bretheran at ACORN as they try to steal elections, and the latest spin is that while their may be “some” illegal registrations, they are trying to convince everyone that they are always caught, and if “one or two” SLIP through the perfect Election system, then they are caught at the polls. These lemmings may actually be convinced when they are told by their cell leaders that that is the way it is, but Americans with even one brain cell know that the fraud that is being cast on our once great election system in the US is almost always brought by the left.
And besides, with the MSM media in the tank for the left, do you actually think if it happened regularly from both sides, that they would not blast it out for the entire world to see if Republicans did what Democrats do. Even if just one illegal registration came from the Republican side, it would be at the top of the news every day until election day.
So always remember that TK is steeped in the indoctrination that those in the leftist cells throughout America are required to learn to be the PC lemmings for the Obama types. lol
I know, TK, I can hear you singing all the way from here - “if I only had a brain.”
Thanks, Jack. I now live in Florida, where we have a new law, “No match, no vote” so we have to present ID before we are ever shown where to sign. Our address and exact name are matched to the voter records, and our SS# has to be exact to get the DL in the first place. Florida has had problems, not mostly with true residents, but sometimes with the seasonal residents who vote “up north” and then come down and vote here too. Also, in 2004, there were serious problems with Democrats preventing the ballots of our servicemen in Iraq being counted because it takes sometimes three weeks for them to arrive through the military mail system.
Now we have ACORN at work in Miami which has thousands of refugees from Haiti and Cuba, as well as illegals from Mexico, all being registered to vote under the stolen names of the dead or fictitious persons.
The dead and Mickey Mouse voters may be denied a ballot, but they are counted as Democrats in the polls, skewing the numbers to make it look like there are 6 or more out of 10 voters voting Democrat. Florida is largely Republican, and it’s only through fraud that Democrats are skewing the numbers, in an attempt to discourage Republicans and Independents from voting.
TK may think it gives his words more credence by dismissing my intelligence, but it’s not always intelligence, but actual knowledge that is important in some instances.
TK: In my state, Washington, a woman deliberately registered her dog to vote to prove how easy it is for people to receive fraudulent registrations.
She was fined for her stunt and gladly paid it because it brought attention by the media as to how incompetent our state is in regard to voting.
So to answer your question as to whether or not Mickey Mouse could actually vote, the answer is yes.
Elaine, yes I know about Washington, as it is one of the three states I have lived in, and the one I was born, and raised and lived in until 1994. And I know that the elections are screwed up there thanks to Gregoire and the Democrats, and how they stole the Governorship four years ago in the corrupt (William A) King County. I know they illegally renamed the King part, but since the corrupt democrat King County Council does not have the right to rename the county, I still recognize it as it was originally named, after the VP under Franklin Pierce - William A King of Alabama.
To Wysiwyg, Post 13
I dismissed your statement as absurd. If you feel that reflects on your intelligence, that’s on you.
Being honest, wouldn’t you agree that BOTH statements below are absurd? Can you defend one with evidence and substantiation while denying the other equally as well?
“The Dems know they can’t win elections without cheating, and that’s the only reason they do it. Since they don’t believe in Hell, they think any crime is fair game if they get by with it.”
“The GOPs know they can’t win elections without cheating, and that’s the only reason they do it. Since they don’t believe in Hell, they think any crime is fair game if they get by with it.”
Beyond that, I’m glad to see that you can verify that your state has and enforces some voting rules and procedures that actually work and which most certainly prevent “fraudulent voting” (which is, of course, much different from “fraudulent registration”).
Those who live in voting jurisdictions with slipshod rules and procedures should do something about it instead of always blaming it on ‘the opposition’! And, of course, slipshod voting rules and procedures occur just as frequently where local governments and voting officials are Republicans as when they’re Democratic.
Run amok and blind ideological partisanship is probably the most significant destructive force operating in our country today.
Based on your statement (which I called inane and assinine in an earlier post)I suppose you would also support presidential rally-goers screaming out “terrorist” and “kill him” when reference is made to the opposition’s candidate?
I also suppose you believe there’s probably a significant difference between the words “partisanship” and “prejudice”?
(No one can criticize something that clearly doesn’t really exist in a particular circumstance: for example, “intelligence”, which is often completely missing in the arena of blind partisanship.)
By the way, since you’re from Florida, did you vote for Charlie Crist? Or, is he far too “liberal” and reasonable for you? He certainly would have helped McCain’s campaign among us Independents way, WAY more than does the woefully intellectually-ill-equipped “Diva of the North Country”.
BTW, you and Hansen make a pretty good odd couple!
TK: Voter fraud is a reality in Washington State and I’d bet in other states as well. This year, a television station investigation uncovered the fact that a 2006 computer system was set up to ignore approximately 24,000 felons. 6812 voted in the primary.
In 2004, 489 felons voted while 26 people voted twice, 437 provisional ballots were counted even though their registrations were not validated, 44 dead people voted and unsecured ballots were counted.
What can legal voters do? If the governor who has ultimate responsibility in overseeing the competency of state employees refuses to act and thus allows fraud to continue, the only recourse is to vote him/her out of office. But then we are back to square one aren’t we?
Elaine, Vote Rossi, even though he is a liberal, I suspect hed is a whole lot better than Gregoire. It is one of those where you plug your nose and vote the better of two eveils. Kind of like McCain and Obama, plug your nose and vote for McCain, and who knows we may just end up with Palin somewhere down the road. Wouldn’t that be good for the country!
October 13 at 10:28 am | #1 | Link
Not only is ACORN helping Obama steal an election in which he should not even be considered a real contender, it may end up as a prominent part of Obama’s administration. That is truly frightening.