If the economy has made a significant upward move - and if unemployment is clearly going down a year from now - the DEMs will retain much, if not all, of the favor they experienced in the last election.

Re; Post 3;

Your Thomas Paine quote:

“...Trust not what one is told by the Government until you can see the results…”

Duuuuhhh!  How can we “see the results” of ObamaCare and Cap and Trade UNLESS WE FIRST PASS THE BILLS AND PUT THE PROGRAMS INTO ACTION?

You finally post a sensible sentence - but it’s somebody else’s sentence!  (I’ll just make believe the idea came from Wesley Pain rather than Thomas Paine.)

P.S.

Your statement:

“...What happened to Obama’s promise he would post every Bill on the White House web site for no less than five days before it would come to the floor for a vote?...”

Thus far - since you’re a “linkiac” - I’ve given you at least 8 or 10 URLs where you can follow the progress of BOTH bills you’re obsessive about - IN REAL TIME - in their entirety - and with the ability to follow their progress, step-by-step, through the House, the Senate, and all relevant committees.

Stop peddling falsities.

Re: Post 5;

EVERY damned bill appears, in real time, with up-to-the-day changes, modifications, amendments, progress, votes, etc., on BOTH the House and Senate websites.

What the hell’s the difference on what website they’re posted?  They’re POSTED.  Period.

Grow up!

Re: Post 7;

You know, I really never had the experience directly, but in my imagination, I think dealing with you here is probably like dealing with a developmentally-challenged child.

And in spite of all your free time - and your claim that you dutifully “research” everything - and your supposed familiarity with “researching online” - you really do not seem very adept at getting to even readily-available information online. 

(Is that the REAL reason why you continuously rag on me for not showing you “proof” that Bush 43 pumped up the national debt by $6 trillion - becasue you can’t find it yourself?  In fact, it took 191 years (1791-1982) to get the national debt to the FIRST trillion - and then only 26 years (1982-2008) to accumulate the next TEN TRILLION!  And Bush 43 ran up the majority of that debt faster than nearly all of his predecessors combined.)

Anyway, as I TOLD YOU, the entire 1,018 page original version of the House’s health care bill is on the http://www.house.gov website.  Use the following URL to get your very own pdf:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

If the link doesn’t work from here - just go to http://www.docs.house.gov and locate it there on your own!

Jheeeshh!

Anyway - ta ta!

I have seen the link and the OLD Bill, where are the ones which were MARKED UP for the first two votes, which were stopped by the Democrats themselves?

There is no need to remind me of how much time I have on my hands; you have no idea how cognizant of that than me. I have likely forgotten more than most will ever know, and trust me when I say; I am nowhere near the person you see writing every day. I am not used to debating with people in print, in the real world, I could insult someone with conversation so they could not tell they were being insulted (which was only used on people who deserved it when they were picking on someone who were indefensible), I could fire a person and make them think I was doing them a favor, using nothing more than transactional analysis, such as budget cuts i.e. layoffs (which was something I always hated). I have an innate ability to read people, their eyes, facial expressions, the hands, the way they would react when confronted or during an interview.

The people I hired I knew I could trust and do the job, in return they had my trust, but it was usually earned. If anyone screwed up, they gained my admiration by openly telling the truth and not putting blame on others…I preferred reason, as opposed to excuses. One thing which would impress me the most was a hard worker who had the concept of Common Sense, to be able to think on their feet and be able to act. My goal was to move my employees up the ladder, I knew Managers who would keep very good people from advancing, afraid to lose them.

I love hard work, but I knew I would eventually have to work in a suit and tie, but always kept coveralls and work boots in my office. The heavier the workload and/or the jobs. The more the
the better…
All my employees were treated very well, when you show people how much they are appreciated, they will do anything for you. I was able to double our output, by training going to the source of the jobs; I showed them how to stage multiple jobs by creating staging areas, work slips were attached to each job, so anyone could tell their customers exactly when the jobs would ship.

Doing due diligence when we would purchase companies, wrote legal contracts for new customers, making it easier for our legal department’s work load easier.

Working in the Sahara, where there were not any roads, all the Libyan Government allowed us were compasses, no two way radios in the vehicles, they were confiscated in Customs to send to their Armies and Desert Militias. There were times when Militia members would take your vehicles if given the chance. So you got used to getting shot at, there were times when there was no way out, and had to give them up. But if you kept yourself calm, you knew to leave markers if you could not stay where you were. Often a search would not be called right away, due to the fact it took time to get to your location. I taught survival techniques to everyone, and taught how to do searches for missing people. Our trucks carried two spare tires, due to the 140 degree heat, the silica sand would often over inflate your tires, and they would explode. Most would not even last a month over there.

I could go on and on, but there is really no way to explain what is like out there, you have to be there and learn to conquer your fears.

Everything you did, whether in the Desert or working jobs, it all boils down to one thing…Common Sense, without that, you would not last long; you must learn to think fast.

That is what is missing in both houses, these people know nothing about common sense, and one must stop and think about consequences to the people before blindly rushing into things without real thought about impact.

There are few if any politicians I truly trust…if any.

Your problem is you cannot take what you dish out, didn’t think so…

BTW - If you want to have a battle of wits, you are half way there.

Also in trouble in the Senate is Arlen Specter, Harry Reid, all in all there are 18 Democratic senators up for re-election in 2010. I would not count on a Super Majority, Obama has lost most Independents who put many democrats in office.

Re: Post 10;

Good for you. (???)

(You can tell the violinists they can stop playing now.)

Your soliloquy:

“...I am not used to debating with people in print, in the real world, I could insult someone with conversation so they could not tell they were being insulted (which was only used on people who deserved it when they were picking on someone who were indefensible), I could fire a person and make them think I was doing them a favor, using nothing more than transactional analysis, such as budget cuts i.e. layoffs (which was something I always hated). I have an innate ability to read people, their eyes, facial expressions, the hands, the way they would react when confronted or during an interview…”

Well, then, take some writing (and insulting?) classes in all that free time.

(Now you can also tell the horn section that they, too, can stop playing.  And, hopefully, you won’t hurt yourself doing all that patting of your own back!)

Geez.

Re: My post #15

The 2 billion dollar ‘insanity’ she was referring to was the “Cash for Clunkers” program.

Re: Post 17;

More of your babbling.

Your statement:

“...We do not need anyone between ourselves and Doctors…”

EVERY HEALTH INSURANCE POLICY ALREADY HAS SOMEONE “between ourselves and doctors”.

Be it a “gatekeeper” or “claims representative” or “adjuster” or whatever you choose to call those people who “approve” (or disapprove) payment for the medical services used by the insured.  And - don’t forget “the fine print” - which is often the most significant impediment standing between doctor and patient.

From what I’ve seen over the last 20 years, HMO-type health care plans have been the worst in this regard - but the anecdotal stories of people being screwed by their health insurers refusal to pay, regardless of type of plan, are legion - and the vast majority of people filing for bankruptcy due to inability to pay medical bills ACTUALLY HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE - that didn’t pay.

Don’t make simple-minded and misleading declarations.

(And I have no idea what your incomprehensible comment about a “thesaurus” is supposed to mean.)

Re: Post 19;

I’m definitely not “defensive”, Wesley.

I am often “offended” by some of your outlandish posts and become “offensive” in criticizing them - because they deserve it!

You make many simple-minded and misleading declarations - and you often descend to posting purely inciteful and hateful propaganda.  I get insulted - and obviously, offended - by such drivel - and respond accordingly.

(And, see, once again - you make your post about ME instead of responding to my criticism of one of your egregious declarations.)

It went off post on Post #4, just as with any article, search the threads where I have posted, in EVERY instance TK attacks me personally, and almost always gets everyone off topic.

I have complained about another poster who used to do the same thing, but used several User IDs. Since I donate to AIM twice a year to keep this site online. When this person caused posting to stop, I phoned AIM and complained about this person with many names, one was Brian R. Sullivan, who was also, lauren, laurens daughter, and so on…After discussion, AIM kicked him off in violation of the rules, and all was fine, till TK started doing the same kind of off-topic posting.

I dare you to look at back posts, and look and if TK and I are in there, you will see who too us off topic.

Which I often remind him during the threads. Although this one is not as blatant as the others.

All anyone really needs to do is a search on TK, you will find all the BS, including Post 23 which is a lie.

The old turn it around trick, I thought you were a Liberal, you just proved it to everyone.

Wesley - (re: post #17) - “Are those numbers adjusted for inflation?”

I checked a couple of ‘debt sites’ to verify the columnist’s claim and here’s what I found. As far as whether inflation was taken in consideration, I don’t know. I would assume that their numbers did reflect inflation adjustments since people rely on them for reference. Nevertheless, check out the sites and determine that for yourself.

According to http://www.swivel.com/graphs/spreadsheet/5543118 -

In Jan. 1955 US Nat’l Debt was 280 Billion when Democrats take over congress.
(I used above website since other site below doesn’t go back as far as 1955)

According to http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway -

Jan. 1995 (Republicans take over Congress) US Nat’l Debt was 4.7 Trillion

[So, National Debt increased by 4.4 Trillion under Democrat-controlled congress between 1955 and 1995.]

Jan.  2007 (Republicans lose Majority) US Nat’l Debt was 8.6 Trillion

[So, National Debt increased by 3.9 Trillion under Republican-controlled congress between 1995 and 2007.]

Finally, on Aug. 4, 2009, US Nat’l Debt is 11.6 Trillion

[So, National Debt increased by 3 Trillion ..so far, under Democrat-controlled congress.]

As it turns out, the Republican majority didn’t quite outspend the Dems, however, those numbers, to me Wes, are nothing to be proud of. It reflects a far-cry from their smaller government/less spending rhetoric over the years, and unless they start becoming fiscally conservative, I’m not sure if the Republicans are going to see a reenactment of 1994 in the 2010 elections.

As far as the Usurper’s health care bill which you also mentioned - I’m dead set against it, just as I was dead set against Bush’s massive Medicare prescription drug program.

TK - re #27

I wasn’t addressing anything you said in any previous post you made in this thread. I was simply replying to Wesley’s #17 question concerning the latest Devvy Kidd article that I brought up in my post #15.

Post 26:

Neo-conned,

As for your statement “As far as the Usurper’s health care bill which you also mentioned - I’m dead set against it, just as I was dead set against Bush’s massive Medicare prescription drug program.”

I could not agree more, however, it I must have stated this in another thread, but I was a Democrat until after JFK. LBJ’s escalation of the war in Vietnam at a time when Kennedy wanted them out, I thought was unbecoming of a VP taking over for a fallen man. Johnson should have at least preserved his legacy.

As for the numbers during my time as a Republican, give me some time to look at those, I have a post or two to answer…and helping my son before his wedding less than a week from now.

Wes

Post 15:

Reading about Devvy Kidd, she seems to be more of a Libertarian than anything else. I have always been against NAFTA and CAFTA, but I do not see it as an issue that can just be deleted without consequences, especially with China. I see those bills (especially since Clinton rushed into this, as poorly put together, no oversight, no balanced trade restrictions, no restrictions on companies moving out of the USA.

Newly declassified documents show that President Bill Clinton personally approved the transfer to China of advanced space technology that can be used for nuclear combat.

Clinton told the US can Congress these “Chips” are for Weather Satellites, which are actually targeting systems, and for missile guidance. I consider this to be an act of treason.

It is not clear this information was known to future Administrations, since it has been newly declassified, we may never know.

The documents show that in 1996 Clinton approved the export of radiation hardened chip sets to China. The specialized chips are necessary for fighting a nuclear war.

“Waivers may be granted upon a national interest determination,” states a Commerce Department document titled “U.S. Sanctions on China.”

“The President has approved a series of satellite related waivers in recent months, most recently in November, 1996 for export of radiation hardened chip sets for a Chinese meteorological satellite,” noted the Commerce Department documents.

Who really knows to what extent of what and protections were granted for NAFTA, much of the communications were between China and Clinton during his visits to the Communist State. There is no doubt is was not good for the United States without the above mentioned lack of any restrictions. We do not know if Bush could have done anything at all, or if he did have the power to stop it from continuing. If he did have control over NAFTA and failed to act, on one or two nations where the trade was acceptable. The deal could have to have been negated if possible. I am for balanced trade, but not for what NAFTA accomplished.

I do know that if NAFTA was eliminated, it would have killed all trade with any country. But, if Bush could have killed NAFTA and kept the trade he needed, and did not, then there is no excuse for Bush not acting upon the deal, but to the chagrin of losing trade altogether.

These special computer chips are designed to function while being bombarded by intense radiation. Radiation hardened chips are considered critical for atomic warfare and are required by advanced nuclear tipped missiles.

Now that Obama is in office, he has intentionally used NAFTA, CAFTA, and the WTO, to allow businesses, if not encouraging them to move off shore, to help him gain control over the US industry, to allow for Unions to control more and more of future business.

But one does have to question Clinton’s motives for passing the Bill. Many of those documents are still sealed, until they are unsealed, we will not know much else, and we cannot know what Clinton discussed with China, since they did not allow ANY press during their meetings.

Though I must admit, Wesley did just get the last word on himself.

Wesley…

Thank you !  Got your message !  Why am I not surprised that the hockey puck would do such a thing. (The school yard bully cannot handle what he dishes out to others.)  I guess there is absolutely no hope for that mentally disturbed liberal.  Anyway, continuing to read YOUR most informative postings, as well as some of the other voices of reason who post here. <smile>

Re: Post 31;

The “last word”?

Only with a couple of specific posters here - and only because I either totally disagree with some of the purely ideological and outlandishly extremist (and oft-times false) stuff they continuously post - or - because THEY started up with unnecessary name-calling, labeling and the attack-the-messenger thing.

Re: Post 33;

Your statement:

“...But to hear the MSM and the White House are telling the media that these people are all Republicans, and that they are being bussed (sic) in…that the whole thing was orchestrated by the RNC…”

How quickly you forget.

During the 2000 Election controversy in Florida - in the days right after the election, when calls were being made for recounts, etc. - the GOP DID BUS AROUND large groups of activists among the counties where there seemed to be the most problems with the vote count - to jam and disrupt the County Clerk’s offices where vote-counting matters are handled.  The activists looked like a crowd of young GOP lawyers and/or CPAs (which they were) - and they were referred to as “The Brooks Brothers Protestors” - or some such monniker.

At the time, the GOP was open (in Florida) about doing this, i.e., recruiting “professional” protestors and busing them around to disrupt the places where the GOP felt most vulnerable - to protest and disrupt any and all possibilities of a “recount” - and, simply, to intimidate.

There’s no reason to believe this can’t be occurring again with regard to protests, disruptions and intimidations at DEM Town Hall meetings on the health care reform plan.  (It’s all about getting free TV video and sound bites showing opposition to the DEM plan.)

At what hour does the DNC close for the day?

tk (post 41)..Oh did I say that ? <lol>...Gee, must have been because I read the crazy terms of agreement warning from that govt website which was shown on FOX NEWS ! And FOX media were the ones who were warning the people about clicking onto that website. Not me ! And all I did was to post on AIM about what I had seen and had hoped that someone might shed some more light on that subject, or had seen that, as well. But instead, you went bizerk and proceeded with your name calling and attacks. So typical of you when you refuse to accept anything you read which anyone might happen to post. But you expect everyone else to have a compltely open mind with your postings ! And why are you still so angry and upset over that post, anyway?  I am beginning to wonder if perhaps you took advantage of that Cash for Clunkers program. <lol>

Diane…Post 45:

First of all this will lead to another Obama Czar, Van Jones, more below.

The Apollo Alliance are true believers with an absolute belief that government is the solution to all social and economic problems, allied with labor unions, subsidy-seeking companies and global warming / weather control advocates.

Labor-dominated lobbying and electoral network which is heavily influenced by progressive plutocrats and secret donors working on anti-corporate, anti-military, welfare-state, and other “progressive” programs. Helped incubate the Apollo Alliance, now a project of “Tides Center”.

The Tides Center (Also called the Tides Foundation) is another player in turning this country into a Socialist/Marxist America.

Institute for America’s Future (IAF) is connected with Campaign for America’s Future. In 2004 IAF board members included Los Angeles Mayor and Obama Economic Transition Team member, Antonio Villaraigosa, of whom Trevor Loudon has written, and AFL-CIO president and Democratic Socialists of America member, John Sweeney, you will find a George Soros connection. In 1999 IAF received $100,000 in start-up funding and $465,000 in 2005 from Soros’s Open Society Institute. The Tides Foundation gave IAF $100,000 in 2001, $225,000 in 2004, $218,791 in 2005, and $152,196 in 2007. You may recall from earlier RBO posts that Tides works as a donor money laundering operation.

Also, the Sandler Family Supporting Foundation gave IAF $100,000 in 2005. Yesterday RBO connected Democratic mega donors Herbert and Marion Sandler to Henry Louis Gates Jr., Obama friend and mentor and the subject of the recent Gates-Gate scandal.

The Apollo Alliance has a long list of endorsers, including Green for All, the organization founded by “Green Jobs Czar” Van Jones; Change to Win, an ACORN entity; ACORN itself; SEIU (son of ACORN); the Ella Baker Center, another Van Jones entity; and the Working Families Party (need we say ACORN?).

RBO (The Russian Brotherhood Organization of the USA, which is a fraternal benefit society), The RBO has done a number of articles on San Francisco Bay Area radical agitator and committed Marxist-Leninist-Maoist, Van Jones.

More here on Van Jones and the RBO:

http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2009/04/06/loudon-obama-appoints-former-communist-to-white-house-green-job

There are many more links concerning RBO and Van Jones.

I have this saved in a file, if anyone wants more links involving Van Jones and the RBO…

Re: Post 45;

So, if so, what are you personally proposing to do about it? 

(By the way, what did you do about it when we were informed by the previous president, deceitfully, it turns out, that it was NECESSARY to invade a foreign country half-a-world away?  Did that sound the least bit Hitlerian or Stalinist to you (think Poland and Hungary) - as you claim the current president sounds “Alinskyish”?)

Wesley….Post #46

Thank you for sharing what you found.  I will also refer to the website that you sent.

I think it is so disturbing that the Democratic party and liberal media are now trying to silence and demonize the people who are opposing Socialism in America.  Every day citizens who are showing up at town hall meetings to exercise their constitutional rights, and are being referred to as “angry mobs”!  It’s disgraceful!  And yet these are the same leftists who praised people for protesting the Iraq war, and amnesty for illegal citizens, etc.  And we have one of the biggest community organizers ever for a President, and it’s been fine for him or for ACORN groups to protest.
And isn’t it amusing that BO stated that he is always willing go to countries (whose leaders do not like us very much), and listen to them regarding their points of view, and that he is willing to negotiate with them ? But now he, along with too many of representatives are not willing to listen to the American people ? Some democrats are not even showing up for those meetings, I heard.  Just goes to show what kind of CHANGE we are getting. BO is not helping to make anything better for this country, as he promised he would.  But of course, I have heard him say that he believes the United States constitution is outdated. It’s all extremely disturbing.

Re; Post 50;

All blather.

Personally, I think your constant, aimless and fantasy-based ragging on and incessant criticism of the government is unAmerican.

Wouldn’t a reasonable person with average intelligence wait until there ACTUALLY WAS a COMPLETED, finalized two-house-reconciled health care reform bill being openly debated by and awaiting a final vote in Congress - - BEFORE you started making reactionary statements and endless criticisms of it?

You really don’t have a clue about what you’re bitching about - and you lay everything on Obama’s head - when the truth of the matter is that the lack of direction and knowledge on this issue is the result of the fact that OBAMA NEVER PROVIDED A DETAILED HEALTH CARE REFORM PLAN!  HE left it up to Congress to develop the details - and the only full version of a bill that actually exists was written by a committee in the House of Representatives.  At this point - there is NO SENATE BILL yet.  (And - when there is - it will still have to be reconciled with the House version before each chamber votes on it.)

You’re blowing smoke at smoke!

(And, keep in mind.  The real problem in health care is COST - and the 15% of working Americans who don’t have HC insurance - and the 5% of self-employed and workers in businesses that do not provide HC insurance and who have to buy the insurance individually at exorbitant premiums - is another serious problem.

And, of course, since annual health care expenditures amount to some 20% of the entire U.S. economy - as the prices increase and become more-and-more unaffordable - making it even more impossible for individuals and small businesses to access insurance and/or care - the overall economy will suffer and will decline dramatically.

And, further, for many years, the biggest source of new jobs in this country has been - health care.)

Re: Post 53;

Your statement:

“...personal attacks have always been the haven of the Left…”

C’mon!  That’s a ridiculous right-winger shibboleth that certainly cannot be proven.

In fact - who’s always calling somebody a “communist”, “socialist” or Marxist; who’s always calling somebody a “radical”; who’s always calling somebody “unpatriotic” or “unAmerican”; who’s always calling somebody a “baby killer” ??? ??? ???

In reality, in the modern era, let’s say, since WW II - one could make an exceptionally strong case that unwarranted politically-based “personal attacks” on a broad scale were initiated and perfected by one particular Republican Senator from Wisconsin between 1947 and 1957.

(And, by the way: Any old time you can, give a listen to, say, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck - even Sean Hannity - if you want to hear some “personal attacks”.  In fact, Savage is currently making a living attacking Obama as a “foreign-born commie pinko marxist” - and Beck has been attacking Obama as a “white racist” - and check out some of the right-wing attacks that occur here!  And, of course, Karl Rove perfected the “personal attack” as a normal campaigning tool (even against his own), e.g., “McCain is the father of a black child as the result of an adulterous affair”.  Note: the kid was adopted.)

Re: Post 55;

You had no case.

(And - exactly WHO immediately engaged in a verbal “personal attack” here, i.e., “calm yourself down, and get back to the hospital before they close the gates for the night”?  It never ceases to amaze me how blatant ignorant hypocrisy has no shame.)

RIslander,

He cannot help himself, he is no better than MSNBC anchor calling the Taxed Enough Already (TEA) protesters; “Teabaggers” that was one of their many FCC violations which cost them a huge fine.

Until I heard that, actually Fox News reported the story, but refused to say the name on the air, so I had to do a search on “MSNBC foul words” and found it was Teabagger(s). I even had to look that one up as I had never heard the term before. When I saw the meaning of the word, I was wondering why those three so-called reporters still had a job.

One must wonder if our dissenter is one of those.

Re: Post 58;

Since “Rislander” doesn’t want to recognize the “personal attack” quotient in his OWN post - - then you are the PERFECT EXAMPLE disproving his “theory” that “personal attacks” emanate only from the Left.

(Are you really a closet Leftist, Wes!  In any event, you perfectly evidence the “personal attack” mentality that is endemic ON THE RIGHT - as do some of your “buddies” here.)

P.S.

I would imagine that there are a lot of things that you “never heard” of before.

Post 60:

You get back what you put out there, plain and simple.

And yes, I am not familiar with Homosexual things, obviously someone is…

Wesley (post #32) “I see those bills (especially since Clinton rushed into this [NAFTA], as poorly put together, no oversight, no balanced trade restrictions, no restrictions on companies moving out of the USA.”

Actually, the Republicans complicity in this disastrous ‘agreement’ of government-managed trade ran deep. In fact, it was H.W. Bush who spear-headed the effort in 1991 along with the Canadian Prime Minister and Mexican President and attempted to fast-track it from it’s negotiation phase to him signing it before his term expired.
After Clinton picked up from where Bush left off, there was a frenzy by the center-right Republican structure, right-wing talk radio, the Clinton administration and MSM into getting it passed. The Wall Street Journal, National Review, CATO Institute, and pundits such as Tony Snow and Robert Novak pushed for NAFTA. Dissenters such as Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot where smeared as simple-minded protectionists or isolationists by the neocon[artists].
And as it turned out, 132 House Republicans voted for it as opposed to 102 House Democrats voting for it.
As far as voting against NAFTA - Only 43 Republicans voted against it, while 156 Democrats voted against it.

<<<“I have always been against NAFTA and CAFTA, but I do not see it as an issue that can just be deleted without consequences, especially with China.”>>>

I agree.
The only solution, which both party’s would fiercely resist, would be to return to an international gold standard to prevent governments from micromanaging international trading through the current fiat monetary system, which allows for actions such as export subsidies for politically-favored industries at the expense of the taxpayers, foreign aid, international loan guarantees, etc. From there, it would be easier to get out of NAFTA, GATT, WTO, IMF, Export-Import Bank, and World Bank so as to cut out all government interference in international trade with its excessive regulations and expensive bloated international bureaucracies who we are relinquishing our sovereignty.
There is nothing ‘free’ about the North American Free Trade Agreement. It is a form of mercantilism in disguise.
The fact that both party’s got us into debacles such as NAFTA is the reason I vote third party now.

As far as Devvy Kidd being a Libertarian - She’s a self-proclaimed Constitutionalist.

TK ...Post #63 ” And I do believe that Obama is losing ground because his insistancy on dealing with far too many issues at one time -and the general public cannot absorb.” 

Are you kidding me ?  He is losing ground because of his insistancy to be in a HUGE rush to take over and to totally control this country ! He is continuing to destroy the economy, and to turn this country into a Nanny State, and to destroy our Health Care system, and to control small businesses, and too many other things to list here. AND THAT is why he is losing ground; not to mention that no one in congress has the time to read any bills that he is in such a hurry to rush through !  And his spineless lap dogs are losing ground, as well !  And you think that people are not able to absorb all of that ?  Talk about insults to the American people !  We are not stupid out here !  You and Chris Matthews take the cake !  I heard Chris Matthews on CNN tonight feeding that exact same exact crap sandwich which you just posted here to everyone across America !  I was joking a little bit when I suggested that you go back to watching Chris Matthews the other day in one of my posts, but I now realize just how right I was ! 

“And process all the goings on-and of course, the disinformation -blast by the GOP’s is contributing to that chaos and confusion.”

Trust me on this ...IF BO was doing the job that he should be doing and hiring the right people who understood how to turn the economy around , things would be better by now. And there would be nothing that the GOP’s could say to confuse anyone, if he was doing a good job!  You have to remember that many Republicans and Independents voted for him and they BELIEVED his lies, and they have given him ample time to show his stuff, and he has failed ! And people are worried and scared , and no one is to blame for that excect BO , himself ! The man child is a community organizer and a good speaker (with the help of a teleprompter ), and people are waking up and realizing now that is ALL that he is really capable of doing very well. 

“I believe that he should have stuck to the economy for the rest of the year.”

THAT is ALL that he has been doing from the time that he took office, besides flying all over the world apologizing for American and kissing the hands and feet of and bowing down to rulers of countries who do not like America much. He has been working very hard on destroying the economy every which way that he can, and one of those ways is to destroy our health care system. There are more constructive ways to reform Health Care, but he wants us to feel helpless like people in Canada !  And that is is main goal ! Get you head out of the green kool aide pitcher !   

“His strategy will definitley cost him his public option in the health care reform plan -and after probable failure of getting the type of health care reform that HE had hoped for (he’ll probably get a much lessor passed -not much more than an expansion of medicade) -his crew will probably realize that the Cap and Trade idea will have to go on a back burner. “

Well, hopefully, his sneaky strategies will cost him, and they should !  And hopefully he will not get the type of health care reform that HE had hoped for, along with San Fran Nan, and his crazy CZARS and LAP DOGS (NOT CREW!!..lol), had also hoped for !  And hopefully that Crap and Tax will sit on the back burner and totally evaporate !

Re: Post 66;

Go get some warm milk - or a tranquilizer - or go take a long walk in the woods - or something!

And - instead of continually posting often incoherent or incomprehensible or paranoid ramblings - why don’t you just post this folloing paragraph of yours and leave it at that???

“...He is losing ground because of his insistancy (sic) to be in a HUGE rush to take over and to totally control this country ! He is continuing to destroy the economy, and to turn this country into a Nanny State, and to destroy our Health Care system, and to control small businesses, and too many other things to list here…”

That says it all about your ideological hatred of Obama, Democrats, Liberals and anybody else that doesn’t see it your way.  If you have to post here - just keep posting that same paragraph over and over.  It’s “you”!

(You know, like addicts have to first admit their addiction before they can hope to eliminate it - you should admit you addiction to blind right-wing political extremism and see if you can return yourself to the world of intelligence, common sense and reason.)

Re: post #67

Thanks, Diane.

As a former Republican, I was elated during the 1994 Republican victory in the House and Senate and then subsequently disappointed by their duplicity.

Going back to Devvy Kidd again… from an article of hers “Who Is The Real Newt Gingrich”
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd450.htm

[“Llewellyn Rockwell, President of the Ludwig von Mises Institute and publisher of The Free Market, observes that, rhetoric notwithstanding, “Newt Gingrich is a Rockefeller Republican,” a big-government `Conservative’ who talks a good line, but like Ronald Reagan will give us higher taxes, more government, and more spending. His `Contract with America’ is a fraud; it should be called a `Press Conference with America.”’ Or, perhaps, a “Contract On America.” Newt’s “Contract” with its calls for amendments to balance the budget and impose term limits, seems to imply that our original contract, the U.S. Constitution, is gravely deficient.”]

To me, nightmares such as racist Barry Obama’s (ahem) ‘presidency’ don’t occur by happenstance. There had to have been a certain amount of repudiation of the previous administration for this current calamity to have struck us.

For example - Most Americans wanted our borders closed, post 9/11 - Bush didn’t; despite the constant drumbeat from his administration of future threats of additional terrorist attacks on our soil. Add to that, the economical strain on our country that excessive illegal immigration has caused.

Most Americans are repulsed at the concept of sub-prime mortgages granted to people who are not financially qualified, which emanated from the Clinton administration strengthening the Community Reinvestment Act.
The Republican majority’s response?
They were silent on the issue during the late 1990’s and through most of G W Bush’s presidency. Add to that, Bush’s contribution to this insanity with his ridiculous “American Dream Downpayment Act” which provided government assistance to cover the downpayments and closing costs for lower-income and minority groups buying homes.

So, who really is going to save us in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles?

Re: Post 70;

Your statement:

“... nightmares such as racist Barry Obama’s (ahem) ‘presidency’...”

And you can justify calling the President of the United States “racist” ... how???

(And, if in a post, I happened to call your neighbor, the former president, “alcoholic”, “stupid” and “draft-dodger”, especailly after he skipped out on his reserve military duty - what would you have to say about it ...???)

Re: #72 <<<“And you can justify calling the President of the United States “racist” ... how???”>>>

20 year attendance at a racist minister’s ‘church’.

Nomination of a racist Hispanic to the Supreme Court.

<<<“And, if in a post, I happened to call your neighbor, the former president, “alcoholic”, “stupid” and “draft-dodger”, especailly after he skipped out on his reserve military duty - what would you have to say about it ...???>>>

I would have agreed with you.
Had he not been born into a politically-powerful family, I don’t think Bush would have been qualified for a government staffing position, much less president.

tk….(Post #75) Sounds to me that perhaps (just maybe ) you could very well be a supporter of organized crime. After all, you defend what is happening inside our govt right regarding what the selected officials are doing to this country; with their Chicago style of operated govt (the Czars), etc.  And by the way,  didn’t your mother ever teach you that you are known by the kind of company that you keep ?

Re: #75

<<<“So, would a Prison Warden with 20 years of service become - the same kind of person as are the criminals he guarded?”>>>

Only if the prison warden chooses to become a criminal; just as Obama chose to attend Wright’s church.

<<<“Regarding a child who lives for 20 years with a Father who is a convicted felon who did prison time - should that kid be automatically considered a future felon, too?”>>>

There’s a big difference between a child being involuntarily reared by a convicted felon and a grown man voluntarily attending a racist church.

<<<“Have you discovered a means that allows one to determine another person’s racial preferences, biases or prejudices - or are you jumping to a conclusion, assumption or supposition based on your own preferences, biases or prejudices as to what’s in the heart and mind of the newest Supreme Court justice?”>>>

I go by what the woman said. (Wise Latina comment)
That is how I made my determination.
If a white (right-wing) nominee said the same, (Wise Caucasian), that nominee would be history after the Democrats and media popped their collective blood vessels in their moral outrage over such bigotry.

<<<“Can you review some of the posters here and then divulge who you have also determined may be racists among those posting on this forum?”>>>

Can’t say I ever witnessed any racism on this venerable site. All criticisms of Democrats that I’ve witnessed here seems to come from a political or legal viewpoint. I included ‘legal’ here as a reference to Obama’s highly questionable constitutional eligibility to be president.

<<<“BUT - if one sticks with that superficial level of observation and analysis - then I believe that same standard would also ascertain that “extremist Republicans” and “extremist Democrats” - and maybe even lifelong Irish dancers or members of the local Italian-American Club - were also “racist”. (???)”>>>

The difference between someone like Sotomayor and the examples you gave above, is that Sotomayor made her racist statement in public, which exposed her, and thereby, disqualifies her from being a judge on any court. It also showed that she has no emotional self control.
Also, ‘extremist Republicans’ and ‘extremist Democrats’ aren’t, by default, ‘racists’, unless they publicly make racist statements such as Sotomayor did. I would assume that ‘status quo’ Republicans in the GOP view Ron Paul as an ‘extremist Republican’, and he’s certainly no racist.

<<<“In my opinion, the two reasons you give for calling Obama a “racist” probably say more about your own preferences, biases and prejudices than it does about his.”>>>

If by ‘preferences’, you mean ‘politics’, then you are wrong. If a President Ron Paul nominated someone who made racist statements, I’d say “dump the nominee” and I would be scratching my head over Paul’s morality if he refused to withdraw the nominee. If Paul himself was affiliated with any racist organizations while running for office, I’d disassociate myself from him in a flash no matter how appealing I find his political agenda to be.

<<<“Beginning during our undergraduate years, one of my best friends over a several year period was the grandson of an active Mafia Don (and son of a Father also very active in the endeavor) - does that then automatically make me a “supporter of” or “participant in” “organized crime”?”>>>

No, it doesn’t make you a supporter/participant of organized crime; just as long as you didn’t condone, profit, or otherwise participate in the Mafia activities of your friend’s grandfather.

On the other hand, Obama DID participate and condone the hate that his minister preached by attending his church services all those years with his wife and tragically, his children.

Re; #79

I appreciate that Wes.

The only rationalization that I can come up with concerning TK’s contorted logic in trying to justify racism among certain segments of the Black and Hispanic population, is either ‘unfounded White guilt’ (assuming TK is White), or for political reasons.
If TK is Black or Hispanic, then it would seem that he carries the same perpetual ‘chip on his shoulder’ that the usurper and Sotomayor does in his ‘defense of the indefensible’.

Thanks Diane, we had a great time at my Son’s wedding, although it was 101 F., with the wind coming off their lake, and was had outdoor air conditioning under the Garden Canopy where the service was performed. It was a very, very nice ceremony; they are now on their Honeymoon.

*Regarding what will happen in 2010 and 2012 is hard to tell with so many Latinos angry at the Republicans by voting against Sotomayor, but there is little doubt they would stay with the Democrats on most with the exception of Abortion, just as when California’s last Proposition to allow Gay weddings, it failed by 57%, most of which were Black and some Hispanics.

With all these Town Hall Meetings, with people of every persuasion are rebelling against ObamaCare, for some reason, the White House, Pelosi and her backup, Steny Hoyer, and Harry Reid. In fact the majority of protesters were Democrats, Independents, and some Republicans.

Pelosi and Reid have called anyone who opposes Universal Health Care, “Un-American”.

Upon request, the SEIU Members assault Democrats and Republicans at Town Hall Meeting, charges have been filed against five SEIU Members beating down a Black (Democrat) for expressing his dislike of the Obama Health Care Plan

SEIU Members assaulted a female reporter and assaulted and another female photo journalist filming the event for the news, calls her many vulgar names, and then hits her, she too has filed charges against the Union Member. (Florida)

The Obama White House has not Condemned the Violence regarding the SEIU and AFL-CIO at Town Hall Meetings, if fact Kathleen Sebelius made a phone call with SEIU on Wednesday last week, talking about the “Purple Army” (SEIU’s Color, and wear Purple Shirts with SEIU on the back of the shirts in large letters) encouraging members of the SEIU to keep doing what they are doing.

Pelosi/Hoyer: Town hall disruptions ‘un-American’
Is calling the protesters at your event “un-American” the best political path?
Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer think so, with their op-ed in this morning’s USA Today saying that “drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0809/PelosiHoyer_Town_hall_distruptions_unAmerican.html

One Michigan Man, Mike Sola who has a child with Cerebral Palsy, was complaining to the Democratic Congressman John Dingell. Mr. Sola was asking about Health Care for his son, which would not be covered by ObamaCare. The next night at around 1:30am, three men awoke him, when he answered the door, they told him…“See, we know where you live, so keep your mouth shut, or it would be shut for him”, and threatened his family with harm. “Mr. Sola replied to the men, to tell whoever sent them to come see him in person during the “Day”’

From an interview with Mr. Sola and his attorney.

    DEADLY DOCTORS
O ADVISERS WANT TO RATION CARE

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/deadly_doctors_180941.htm

Opponents of the the Health Care Bill are being called Mob Rule, and RNC Organized, the the Proponents of Heath Care are being called “Patriotic Supporters”. Showing the people referred to in the news story, the opponents are carrying homemade signs and all have differing messages…The proponents are ALL carrying pre-printed signs, which all say the same thing. So who seems best organized to you?

Re: Post 78;

As I’ve said before, I often think your logic and reasoning are flawed - and that your conclusions, to use the term loosely, are often way off the mark.

I not really interested in going line-by-line with you, but here are a couple of examples:

Your statement:

(a.)  <<<“So, would a Prison Warden with 20 years of service become - the same kind of person as are the criminals he guarded?”>>>  “...Only if the prison warden chooses to become a criminal; just as Obama chose to attend Wright’s church…”

Your reasoning is wrong.  Obama choosing to “attend” Wright’s church would be similar to the Warden choosing to “work” at the prison.  The Warden choosing to become a “criminal” would most closely match up with Obama choosing to become a minister in the style of Rev. Wright.

b.)  “...There’s a big difference between a child being involuntarily reared by a convicted felon and a grown man voluntarily attending a racist church…”

What’s the difference “why” they’re there or under what circumstances they’re there.  And I did say “20 years” - so we’re not always dealing with a poor, defenseless minor in the example.

The point is - BOTH have a 20-year history of potentially being bombarded by some sort of, shall we say, “propaganda” - or “lifestyle” sermons - so, if the Father is a felon and the Reverend is a racist - and if you assume, therefore, that Obama has been turned into a racist by Wright - you’d have to also conclude that the son was just as likely to be turned into a felon by his Father.

c.)  “...Also, ‘extremist Republicans’ and ‘extremist Democrats’ aren’t, by default, ‘racists’, unless they publicly make racist statements such as Sotomayor did…”

My point wasn’t that GOPs or DEMs were “racist” in the, say, traditional “caucasian vs. black” racial or ethnic sense but, rather, in the figurative sense that an extremist DEM might “hate” a GOP simply because he/she is a GOP - and the extremist GOP could, in turn, be a figurative “racist” against all DEMs simply because they were DEMs.

Extreme bias, prejudice and discrimination (all resembling “racism” in the traditional sense) can exist between and among peole based on any number of personal characteristics.

My point here is that individuals on the extreme fringe of BOTH major political parties can rise up to the level of traditional and vehement and potentially violent “racism” based simply on the fact one side despises the other simply because the other side IS the “other” side - just as those who are of one race or ethnicity might hate those of any another race or ethnicity.
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There’s still plenty of racism in this country - and there are plenty of people who are still unaccepting of the idea that “a black man” is president - and I’m certain there would have been those would would have been “unaccepting” if “a woman” had been elected - and there certainly are those political extremists who will find any and all reasons (however specious or outlandish) to “hate” the other side - especially if the other side happens to be in power - and even worse if the titular head of the other side doesn’t fit the “correct” image.

For me, there’s no conclusive evidence that either Sotomayor or Obama ARE overt racists in practice - although Sotomayor’s “famous 32 words” and Obama’s attendance at Wright’s church can raise a suspicion in those who have a prediliction to suspicion.

Personally, I don’t care for the choice of Sotomayor for the Supreme Court - nor did I vote for Obama - but EVERYBODY, to varying degrees, is probably ethnocentric and has their own personal preferences, biases and prejudices to one degree or another.  The issue is whether or not people actually act on and willfully discriminate on the basis of those preferences, biases and prejudices.

I don’t have any evidence that either Sotomayor or Obama have actually and willfully so-discriminated in their professional careers.

TK (post #84) - re: your points a), b), and c) -

Whew!!!

Is that convoluted, gobalty-goop an example of what to expect in a Marxist re-education camp in the coming near or far future?

Oh wait, here comes the camp commandant to take over for TK -

“WHAT YOU CLAIM TO HAVE SEEN WITH YOUR OWN EYES OR HAVE HEARD WITH YOUR OWN EARS HAS BEEN ‘MISINTERPRETED’ IN YOUR UNENLIGHTENED, INFERIOR, PREJUDICED, RIGHT-WING, MIND!!
WHEN YOU LEARN TO INTERPRET WORDS AND EVENTS IN THE ‘PROPER’ MANNER, A SQUARE WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE A SQUARE - 2 PLUS 2 EQUALING 4 WILL BE A MATTER OF OPINION - FAR LEFT RACIST MINORITIES CAN NEVER BE RACIST; ONLY THE INHERENT BIGOTRY OF WHITE, RIGHT-WING NEANDERTHALS SHALL BE ADDRESSED…AND DEALT WITH!!
CLASS DISMISSED”

You said - <<<“There’s still plenty of racism in this country - and there are plenty of people who are still unaccepting of the idea that “a black man” is president - and I’m certain there would have been those would would have been “unaccepting” if “a woman” had been elected.”>>>

I can assure you, TK, with supreme confidence, and feel that I can speak for the majority of ‘right-wing’ posters here, that if a Black, a female, or a Black female, or an Hispanic female small government, low tax, Conservative candidate ran for POTUS against a lily-white liberal Democrat male, that their votes would overwhelmingly go towards the Conservative minority candidate.

It’s always about politics, and not about race or gender.

But I think you already knew that, didn’t you TK?

Re: (#87) “And - before you worry about “re-education” - you ought to concern yourself with getting a sound basic education, especially in those areas of your pretend-expertise.”

I’ll do that if you give me advanced warning where you got your ‘education’. Then I’ll know which school to avoid.

<<<”“...It’s always about politics, and not about race or gender…”
V-E-R-Y naive”>>>

No, I would say very observant on my part; hence your ‘playing down’ of Obama’s and Sotomayor’s racism because of your support of their radical agendas. As I’ve said about your modus operandi - Anything for the Marxist agenda, no matter how weak and misleading a defense you must provide for the indefensible elements of the radical faction of the Democrat party. That includes your reprehensible defense of that ‘sleazebag to end all sleazebags’, Ted (the swimmer) Kennedy.

Your paranoiac supposition that racism is the motive behind any Republican white person’s legitimate criticism of any left-wing minority racist statements and/or affiliations with racist organizations, to me, is indicative of an extremist ideologue.

Your ‘historic’ perspective of race in this country which you attempt to justify your paranoia of white Republicans/Conservatives with, is another exercise in deflecting away from Obama’s and Sotomayor’s racism. One has nothing to do with the other.

Re: #89 - <<<“Looks like you’ve already done a pretty good job of “avoiding school” - so just keep on doing what your doing!”>>>

Unfortunately, I was a victim of government-run public education in my youth. Thankfully, the political edification I’ve experienced over the recent years has transformed my profile from unwitting ‘Neocon conservative’, to paleo-conservative, and finally fine-tuned into a paleo-libertarian.

Post 90, in regard to my Post 91:

“What was Lincoln’s main cause of the Civil War…without looking anything up, I want to know what YOU think?”

The single largest Slave Traders/Sellers were based in New York.

The Civil War began when the lower 13 States rightfully and constitutionally seceded from the Union with just cause. The government under Lincoln took advantage of Southerners by paying them below market prices for goods sold, and higher taxes than those in the North. Lincoln was concerned he would lose the tax revenue from the South, southerners were not respected or liked by most northerners and were taken advantage of…

The Northerners were losing support for the Civil War, base on secession, so Lincoln made it all about Race. But before he could make the claim, he had to get rid of his hoard of slaves, as did all politicians, and the rich…yes sir, there was racism and Slave Owners in the North.

The other reason was when the 13 states seceded; the Northern President lost cheap crops, also tax revenues. Lincoln told them they could keep their Slaves if they would re-join the Union. The fact is, most Black people were treated so well, when offered freedom, they did not want it, there was nothing out there for them to do for a living, plus many had become attached to a nice place to stay, at least three meals per day, most were treated at the owners doctors for free. When those who the Southerners who voluntarily released before the war, found they could not find jobs in the North, where they lived in more poverty, and most wanted to go back to where they were treated well, and earned their place for free living, food, Black women had attachments to the owners (if that is what you wish to call them), were taken very good care of, they were even allowed to build and attend their own churches, with pastors they wanted and chose them by votes. Southern Blacks were helped by their ex-owners when freed and given their own land to build communities. Many of which are still around to this day.

As for the KKK, in the beginning the quotient was about 50/50 southern and northern members. There were racists on both sides.

Blacks who wanted to stay in the South, fought alongside white men. In the North, the Blacks were forced into all Black battalions, they were never helped when in trouble, they were never recognized by the United States…As opposed to white battalions, and the Blacks had their mandatory uniforms taken from their pay, which was already less than what the white soldiers were making. Even after the war, they could not get jobs in the North, many moved back to the South to get farm jobs; at least they had some income, where they were paid a fair wage.

I am not saying there were not Racists in the South, but there were also Racists in the North. Not that either were right in taking that position, but real Racism appeared rampant in the South in more modern times.

Who is the only person in Government who held Office was a former KKK Grand Master?

Democrat - Robert Byrd.

The President assures everyone that AARP is on board with his proposed Universal Health Care Plan, however, Tom Nelson (COO) and the CEO have come on the air to say emphatically, that they want noting to do with ObamaCare, so who is lying?

AARP note released yesterday afternoon quoted as saying;

“Indications that we have endorsed any of the major Health Care reform Bills currently under consideration in Congress are factually inaccurate.”

We all know that AARP is a left leaning organization who contributes to Democrats, yet supports Senior Citizens, which will fall by the wayside if Obama’s plan (which he admits to have never read as of Monday). We have no way of knowing the truth on this one.

While pushing his Health Care Plan, Obama re-quoted the phrase, “Judge a man by the company he keeps”. Bad choice of words for this president…but if one were to take a detailed view of who is around him on this plan, you need to look to the roots of the Health Care plan, beginning with the Czars TK thought was a stupid thing to argue about, now they are making policy without the supervision of the House. Anyone who works closely with the President, must be vetted and approved by Congress. Especially if one were to look into the background of these Czars, and see what you find.

In addition to the current 45 Czars, the President has made room for 7 more, which will be:

1. Income Redistribution Czar: Not appointed yet.
2. Consumer Financial Protection Czar, aka Mortgage Czar: Not appointed yet
3. Land-Use Czar: Not appointed yet.
4. Radio-Internet Fairness Czar: Not appointed yet.
5. Student Loan Czar: Not appointed yet.
6. Voter List Czar: Not appointed yet.
7. Zoning Czar: Not appointed yet.

The Czars are listed here along with their actual titles and job descriptions:

http://noisyroom.net/blog/2009/07/22/obamas-czars-listing-update-072209

New soaring National Deficit defies forecasts. It seems as though Obama has been constantly borrowing money from other countries and not reporting who or how much, however today we learned of $75 Billion Loan.
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More Children’s Text book changes from Tucker Carlson this morning:

In Christian teachings in public schools where allowed;

*Adam and Eve has been replaced with “Eve and Adam, and it was Adam who force Eve to take a bite of the Apple”
*Grandfather Clause – Replaced with “Retroactive Coverage”
*Sportsmanship was taken out due to the word “man” – Replaced with “Sporting Conduct”
*Elderly and Senior Citizens - Replaced with “Older Persons”
*Jungle – Replaced with “Rain Forrest” or “Savannah”

Re: Post 90;

You know, based on the philosophical meanderings you post, seemingly often taken from Rockwell, Rothbard and Von Mises - you really seem to be nothing more than a garden-variety ANARCHIST or, giving you the benefit of the doubt and in the most moderate of senses that might apply to you, you would seem to be a CLASSICAL philosophical LIBERAL in the Thoreau mode. (???)

Frankly, in my own “practical” opinion, “Anarchists” are no better than “Communists” and BOTH are on the RADICAL, extreme “LEFT” on the political spectrum.  Furthermore, from my own “pragmatic”, real-world perspective, your political “paleo-conservative” or “paleo-libertarian” persuasion is about as practically realistic as is the concept of all of us finding “heaven on earth”.

And it’s far from me to be able to understand how someone chasing after an anarchist-style philosophy of government and a classically liberal economic system would “defend” today’s REPUBLICANS. (???)

In any event, “book smartness” in “theoretical” and/or “philosophical” concepts of the type you profess doesn’t seem to be very relevant to the real-world politics of the day (nor to the pro and con discussion thereof).

I’m more interested in practical and pragmatic solutions to the political problems of a nation with an increasingly diverse population of 305 million which may no longer be in possession of an economy that can effectively support the rapidly increasing population.  (I am very “conservative” in terms of holding traditional social and cultural values - but today’s “real” problems in this country are wholly involved in the realms of economics and politics - NOT social and cultural values.)

And, of course, history also clearly shows that although you may be an ANTI-government believer in “individuality” with every one off and “doing their own self-expressive thing” in the Thoreau and/or Any Rand mode - the reality is that mankind has exhibited no widespread nor lasting ability to live without some form of social or political organization that directly provides for some modicum of order, stability and predictability.

In the end, if I’m a pragmatist and you’re a theorist, then we probably have nothing to talk about.

TK, if you think so, then prove what I have written is false by using unmitigating substantiated facts, of which you have yet to accomplish.

I thought so, if you were truly a Libertarian, you would not object to facts and opinions.

As a Libertarian, are you in favor of the Liberals telling you what you can or cannot say or do? I only ask due to the fact that is exactly where we are at, right at this moment. Do you really believe the Elitists President, Speaker, Steny Hoyer, Harry Reid, just to name a few are honest people who are telling us the truth?

With polls released regarding the Health Care proposal is now:

Disapprove: 54%
Approve:  41%
Not sure:  5%

Fix the freaking Health Care we have, instate Tort Reform, give insurance to those who do not have it, and don’t give it to illegal aliens. Force Insurance companies to cover those with Pre-Existing conditions…it would be a third of what Obama wants to spend just this year alone, his way is over each year.

Hell, even France does not do that for illegals! We have Rules and Laws regarding immigration, yet the liberals do not like those rules, so they ignore them, try that the next time you get in your car and break the law.

There is more Terror chatter right now than there ever has been in this country, they smell the weakness in Government.

And if you do not believe AARP leans to the left, just take a look at the Campaign Donors Lists for as far back as you wish.

There was an investigation regarding Campaign Fraud regarding over $10 Million dollars being dispersed via the Internet to Obama. The inconsistencies were that it was one donor sending checks to people to donate, the FBI actually has evidence to this allegation, another was maximum Internet contributions were all traced back to the same IP Address using many different email addresses, it belonged to one person who had his own website which gave him up to 500 email addresses, but each one had the same IP and all had the same server address.

So explain to me why Eric Holder had the investigation stopped? He has been doing quite a lot of that lately, such as ACORN, CCI, SEIU…ect…Stopped by Holder along with the evidence.

The Supreme Court will hear a complaint as to Obama’s Czars are legal or not, it is not unusual to have one or two, but those past Presidents went through Congressional Approval, the back grounds on many of the current Czars have criminal records, and who the hell needs 52 Czars with more to come.

I have yet to hear you criticize or dispute the MSM, so that must be your main source, or those Communist sites such as the KOS, MeidaMatters and their brotherhood. I would trust the Mob over those sites.

Instead of believing what you read and hear from the MSM, try to broaden your horizons and seek the truth, you many just may be enlightened.

Re: #94 - <<<“Frankly, in my own “practical” opinion, “Anarchists” are no better than “Communists” and BOTH are on the RADICAL, extreme “LEFT” on the political spectrum.  Furthermore, from my own “pragmatic”, real-world perspective, your political “paleo-conservative” or “paleo-libertarian” persuasion is about as practically realistic as is the concept of all of us finding “heaven on earth”.”>>>

Anarcho-libertarianism, anarcho-communism, and anarcho-collectivism, would be a closer match to your above statement concerning the belief in anarchy.

Paleo-libertarianism advocates a very limited role for government such as what the Constitution called for.

As far as being ‘realistic’, the Constitution is a very real thing in itself. Why should I support, or try to work with, the ‘jalopy’ of state capitalism with its failed fiat monetary system and Keynesian economic policies which got us into the current financial mess that we’re in?

<<<“And it’s far from me to be able to understand how someone chasing after an anarchist-style philosophy of government and a classically liberal economic system would “defend” today’s REPUBLICANS. (???)”>>>

My ‘defense of today’s Republicans’ was limited to defending them against your racist smears against them when they legitimately criticize Obama and Sotomayor.

Re: Post 98;

a.) “...Anarcho-libertarianism, anarcho-communism, and anarcho-collectivism, would be a closer match to your above statement concerning the belief in anarchy…”

My point is: it doesn’t matter what “fringe” one is out on.  Extreme political philosophies of all persuasions are deleterious to effective governance in this country - and any “utopian” elements therein are nothing but pipe dreams.

b.) “...Paleo-libertarianism advocates a very limited role for government such as what the Constitution called for…”

Most reasonable people understand that the U.S. Constitution, as are most such documents, is open to interpretation - that there may be as many interpretations as there are interpreters - and that the range of those interpretations can run from those that might be called “strict” to those that might be called “broad”. 

c.) “...My ‘defense of today’s Republicans’ was limited to defending them against your racist smears against them when they legitimately criticize Obama and Sotomayor…”

Historically, the most racist people in this country have lived in the states that are today often called the “Red” states, which include the slave states of the Old South.  Whereas those people, historically, might have once preferred to align themselves with the Democratic Party as “Dixiecrats” - they switched en masse to the Republican Party during the so-called civil rights and integration era of the 1960s.  At that time, then, the white racism against blacks that did exist was, in fact, existent mostly among southern whites - who were typically politically aligned with the Republican Party at that time - and who, in turn, were very inimical to the Democratic Party because of its role in ending segregation. 

Consequently, there’s DEFINITELY a history of racism in the modern GOP - and as someone who has lived in a once “confederate” and now VERY “Red” state for many years - EVERY racist I’ve ever known, including neighbors, business associates and casual acquaintances - UP UNITL RIGHT NOW - has been a staunch Republican!  So, if you want to deny the most recent political history of racism in this country, go ahead.

Further, though, and without any doubt, there is DEFINITELY some amount of racism at play among those who are vehemently and virulently anti-Obama - and, at least in my experience, in my area of my southern state, many of those who are particularly vitriolic and hateful in that regard ARE very partisan Republicans.

So, if you insist on accusing ME of “racist smears” because YOU don’t accept the existence and history of racism in this country, go ahead.

(And, of course, on the other side of that coin, would you excuse the rabblerouser-for-money, Limbaugh, for his repeated references to Obama as “a racist who hates white people”?)

And, again, it would have to be either pure partisanship or abject refusal to acknowledge reality for you to insist there is ABSOLUTELY no racism at play among the vitriolic and venomous criticisms of Sotomayor.

It would seem obvious that the great majority of those who are critical of Obama and Sotomayor are NOT racists;  but it is equally obvious that among those who are most vehemently opposed to each (especially among those whose criticisms are clearly specious), there is every likelihood that old-style racism is a factor (e.g., see contemporary “white supremicist groups”, etc.). 

Not “everybody” who criticizes Obama (or anyone else, for that matter) has a “legitimate” reason.

TK (post #100) <<<“Most reasonable people understand that the U.S. Constitution, as are most such documents, is open to interpretation - that there may be as many interpretations as there are interpreters - and that the range of those interpretations can run from those that might be called “strict” to those that might be called “broad”.”>>>

That explains it all!

The old “it’s a living document” argument.

If that were the case, then the American Revolution and signing of the Constitution would have been a needless waste of time. We could have just as easily remained under George III’s rule, if oppressive central authority was what we desired all along.
Heck, the average citizen these days works about 6 months out of the year for the existing government monstrosity that resulted from such ‘reasonable’ interpretations of the Constitution.

<<<“My point is: it doesn’t matter what “fringe” one is out on.  Extreme political philosophies of all persuasions are deleterious to effective governance in this country”>>>

If you don’t think we’re already living under an “extreme political philosophy”, then there’s nothing I could say that would change your perspective. The founding fathers would be absolutely shocked and dismayed over the current size of our government, along with our socialist economic policy, fiat monetary system, and global hegemony.

<<<“And, of course, on the other side of that coin, would you excuse the rabblerouser-for-money, Limbaugh, for his repeated references to Obama as “a racist who hates white people”?>>>

Considering Obama’s 20 year affiliation with a racist black minister, I would say that Limbaugh was right on the mark.
Any white Republican who had the same affiliations with a racist white minister wouldn’t need a left-wing talk show host to call that person a racist; the MSM would have taken care of that themselves.

As for the rest of your opinion about the ‘history of racism in this country’ and how it relates to any legitimate criticisms made by White Republicans/Conservatives at those two radical comrades, Obama and Sotomayor -  You’re just trying to deflect from the Absolute Proof that exists in words/associations of those two ungrateful, spoiled, reprehensible individuals.
I don’t know of any right-wing poster here who has said anything racist such as Sotomayor did, or who has indicated that they have affiliations with racist churches or other such organizations. All you can do is attempt to tie in present-day whites who are critical of Obama’s and Sotomayor’s apparent racism, with people who are long gone.

And by the way, all races of people have racists within their populations; and I would argue, in similar percentages of their populations as in the white population of any era. I have had my experiences as well as you having had your experiences, as well as anyone else in this forum having theirs.
You can argue otherwise, but in the end, neither one of us is capable of delving into each individual’s heart in this country to find out the true percentage of racism in various ethnic populations.
The only problem today, is that racism among minorities is explained away, or ignored, by the media and by the politicians.
Such a double-standard will only tend to keep this country more divided, which is what the power structure of both parties and the media, want.

‘Divide and Conquer’ - a most effective method in helping to usher us into a world government of serfdom.

Post 101:

TK, “I happened to have acquaintance with Rasmussen and his Father going back almost 30 years ago… / ...Both Rasmussen’s are/were about as reliably politically objective as you are.)”

<Laughing> It seems you “always know someone who…” This is what now, the fourth time you claim you know or know someone who…yada, yada, yada. I believe you have a serious problem keeping your stories strait, fact.

I have seen that crap on unproven web sites for years, you took part of the truth and skewed or found a Liberal site who does not agree or like Rasmussen.

The facts are that Rasmussen was exposed to the broadcasting business through his father, Bill Rasmussen, who had worked for radio stations and was a communications director for the New England Hartford Whalers ice hockey team.

In 1979, Scott and Bill Rasmussen founded ESPN, the cable television, the cable sports network (including radio).

Their stake in ESPN was bought out by Texaco in 1984.

Do you have any idea at all how strict the SEC is, they investigate all newly formed business, or even companies who buy businesses.

I should know, I was one of many who had to deal with them while at my former company, just our division alone purchased 83 of their outsourced contractors ,competitors, and companies we could benefit from. Along with each purchase we had approval from our President via the Company’s CEO and Bord of Directors before each purchase. Once we began and the offer accepted, while our Permanent on-site Lawyers would work out the legal matters. We obviously had to do due diligence of all assets, the Company’s inventories, we also did our own, then balanced the two and any disparities were noted and would be included/excluded in the sale. Our Auditors would make sure depreciation’s were accurate, then confirmed by an independent Auditing Agency.

Before any purchase was actually made, the SEC would send their people out to do investigations before the sale could be approved.

When I read your post yesterday, I called the SEC (I asked for a lady we had used often, she was still working there, but had advanced in position) and requested legal documentation under the Freedom of Information Act, I receive my fax this morning. The SEC found no illegalities or irregularities before or after the Corporation was founded, as was true with the sale to Texaco.

I was surprise at how quickly the information was sent, (she was still familiar with who I was, but never told her I was no longer with the company…an omission, if asked, I would have told her) but when I received the fax, I could tell these documents were computer generated, not to mention there were some things redacted. The records did not go all the way to the ABC purchase of ESPN.

If you do not believe me, just call the SEC and request the documents under the FOIA.

Other than the Rasmussen Poll, Gallup came up with the same results.

Most Media outlets say Rasmussen puts out nothing but trustworthy quality with unparalleled accuracy (From the Washington Post). If that were not true, would the MSM use their polling?

I really am amazed at what you are willing and unwilling to believe.

Re: Post 102;

One of your statements:

“...And by the way, all races of people have racists within their populations; and I would argue, in similar percentages of their populations as in the white population of any era…”

I agree.  And - you confirm my point: Some of the anti-Obama, anti-Sotomayor sentiment (and, in some cases, obvious hatred of Obama and Sotomayor) is undoubtedly racially motivated.

And, another of your statements:

“... but in the end, neither one of us is capable of delving into each individual’s heart in this country to find out the true percentage of racism in various ethnic populations…”

I agree again.  And - once again you confirm another of my points:  There’s no way to conclusively determine that Obama and Sotomayor are racists - because we cannot “delve into their hearts” to conclusively make such a determination.

I do not agree with much else in your post.

Re: Post 105;

So Bush 43’s aid to Africa excuses and makes amends for any and all Republicans who might ever have been or are racists?

And, of course, in your way of measuring things, John and Robert Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson did nothing as significant for the black people of America?

There’s still racism in America - and a lot of it emanates from the more rural areas of the so-called “Red” states and those states of the Old South.  And, there’s no doubt that some of the anti-Obama sentiment (and outright hatred of Obama) is racist in nature.

And, while the Old South was predominantly Democratic and Dixiecrat in the pre-Civil Rights Era which began in the early 1960s (and obviously, back then, those Democrats/Dixiecrats supported segregation and racism) - following the civil rights movement fostered, especially, by the Kennedys, Lyndon Johnson and the northeastern base of the Democratic Party - the once “Solid South” of Democrats/Dixiecrats became the “Conservative”, “Bible Belt” and “Religious Right” base of the modern Republican Party.

So, historically, BOTH political parties have significant histories of supporting segregation and racism in this country.  But - it was the Democratic Party which first saw the light and began initiating the necessary legislation and programs that helped end segregation and began to ameliorate the overt racism in the south.

BUT, NO ONE has ever accused Bush 43, Bush 41, Reagan, Ford, Nixon or Eisenhower - nor their administrations - of being “racist”.  However, neither does that exonerate Republicans whose anti-Obamism might include a racial component.

The way partisan politics has degenerated, if some white fools like Limbaugh and Beck decide to start a racially-based pi**ing contest by calling Obama “a racist who hates whites” - then the other side is MOST CERTAINLY going to assert that some of GOP opposition is also “racist” and that they “hate Obama because he’s black”.

So - in the end - Charlie Manson finally gets his “Helter Skelter” race war - because of ignorant and extremist partisan politics and hot-button labeling and back-and-forth name-calling!

In the “old days” of the ‘60s protests - the word was “first it’s name-calling, then it’s property damage, then it’s killing!”  It did seem to work out that way!

Re: Post 109

Your statement:

“...those two without question, have racism in their hearts…”

First of all, there is almost NOTHING that is “without question”.

Second, you’re the one that one who stated one “cannot tell” such a thing without “delving into their hearts” - which is what I agreed with.

Back to Wayne Perryman, (an inner city minister) and author of Unfounded Loyalty. I was reading once again .....

History reveals that the Republican party was formed in 1854 to abolish slavery and challenge other racist legislative acts initiated by the Democratic Party.

Some called it the Civil War , others called it the War Between the States , but to the African Americans at that time, it was the war between the Democrats and Republicans over slavery. The Democrats gave their lives to expand it, and Republicans gave their lives to ban it completely.

During the Senate debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, it was revealed that members of the Democratic party formed many terrorist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to murder and intimidate African American voters.  The Ku Klux Klan Act was a bill introduced by Republican Congress to stop the Klan actitivies.  Senate debates revealed that the Klan was he terrorist arm of the Democratic Party ! 

History reveals that Democrats lynched, burned, mutilated and murdered thousands of black people and compltely destroyed entire towns and communiites occupied by middle class Blacks, including Rosewood, Florida, the Greenwood District in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and Wilmington, N.C. to name a few.
Afer the Civil war , Democrats murdered several hundred black elected officials (in the South) to regain control of the southern government. All of the elected officials up to 1935 were Republicans. As of 2004, the Democrat Party (the oldest political party in America) had never elected a black man to the United States Senate. The Republicans had elected three.

History reveals that it was Abolitionists and Radical Republicans such as Henry L. Morehouse and General Oliver Howard that started many of the traditional Black colleges, while Democrats fought to keep them closed !  Many of our traditional Black colleges are named after white Republicans. 

Wayne Perryman also goes on to say ...
Today many white Democrats are opposed to paying African Americans trillions of dollars in Reparation Pay, money that sould be paid by the Democratic Party.

Re: Post 112;

BUT - it was the NORTHERN Democrats who initiated the civil rights legislation of the ‘60s and who began the processes that lead to the end of southern segregation.

The political philosophies and the involvements with the politics of slavery, segregation and racism of both the Democratic and Republican parties changed drastically over the years from the 1850s through to today - as have the perspectives of the members of each party.  Both parties share equal shame with regard to the historical plight of black people in this country.

The operative distinctions during the Civil War period and with regard to a lot of the history of slavery and segregation in this country is probably “Northerner” and “Southerner” rather than “Republican” and “Democrat”

Diane - (re: post 112)

I think that Wesley touched on some great points as to the REAL motivation behind the Civil War.
The Republican/Democrat Establishment in concert with the MSM and public schools practically raised Lincoln to sainthood (which, coming from them, should raise anyone’s suspicions).
I have read some essays by Libertarian economist Thomas Dilorenzo who also authored the books “The Real Lincoln” and “Lincoln Unmasked”, which I just started reading.
His contention is that the War was fought to establish a permanent central government authority and was vehemently against states rights.

LewRockwell.com contains Dilorenzo’s archives where he wrote a number essays about Lincoln, slavery, and the Civil War.
Here are two of them -

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo167.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo174.html

Post 107:

Your first reply to me was “You’re just a jerk.” Oh, how very enlightening of you to use a slur when, you should increase your vocabulary…I can take your insults all day long, and they will NEVER bother me in the least coming from someone so filled with hate.

You are a Profilers dream, you are so easy to read that tells more about you than anything, it is in the way to speak, I am sure everyone agrees, it does not take much else.

As for Crooks, are you aware Bernie Madoff is a Democrat: the most corrupt party ever.

Post 108:

TK said: “So Bush 43’s aid to Africa excuses and makes amends for any and all Republicans who might ever have been or are racists?

And, of course, in your way of measuring things, John and Robert Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson did nothing as significant for the black people of America?”

LBJ would have never gotten that Bill passed without the massive support of Republicans, not to mention LBJ also Stepped on JFK’s deal to get the hell out of Vietnam, which led to the massacre of Americans in a war we were never asked to be a part of nor had an interest in, we first went there to help Australians, who left shortly after the Americans arrived. It took Nixon to pull the troops out, but not before the melee in the south as we were leaving the Country.

It was Johnson’s war, a war which could have easily been won much, much quicker had he given the troops what they needed to win, but that would have shortened the war, and that was not what LBJ and Westmoreland wanted.

In so doing, he caused the killing of the Kent State Students, and caused the Counter Coulter in the USA forever.

Another great article which counters common myths about Lincoln.

All I can say after reading this one, is that any current politician who uttered what Lincoln said about blacks and slavery, would be labeled a white supremacist.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo44.html

Neo-conned, I have read some of William Marvel’s books noted in the first link of your posting:

“Lincoln Goes to War” I have both but have ye to read his sequel “Lincoln’s Darkest Year: The War in 1862”, but it is on my list. But have not yet read DiLorenzo’s book on Hamilton.

I did however enjoy DiLorenzo’s articles you pointed to…they were good reads.

The book “Cold Mountain” was more informative about the war (Facts with a story), but the movie with Jude Law, Nicole Kidman, Renée Zellweger, I do not like it when they move too far away from a book (they always could use some narration to help). Renée Zellweger’r role in both the book and film were good, but her character in the film (although good) left too much out…Such as the fact that in the dairy it was based on was Black), and Jude Law’s character (he played Inman), was really cut almost completely off, and he did not die before making it back, and the book is based on a real event from a diary.

The film did well in the Academy Awards:

Nicole Kidman as ADA - Best Actress and
Renée Zellweger as Ruby (who in the book was a Black Woman.)
Jude Law was nominated a Best Actor, but did not win.

Please do not think I watch any of those award shows, since they have absolutely anything to do with the people who actually were paid to see the movie(s) such as they used to do.

Back to work, now that I have cooled off…

Wes, 

Once again, I was so interested in reading all that you had to share. It takes me awhile, but I eventually find the time. I was also glad to learn about the group “Preserving The History of the United States.” And am interested in learning more about that too !  And by the way, I think you are amazing. It’s such a terrible shame that we don’t have people like you inside our colleges teaching our kids the real truth about history. 

Have also been watching Glenn Beck, and all that he has reported about ACORN and APOLLO, and am so thankful that FOX is allowing him to do so. He has become another voice of the painful truth.  I am hearing that govt is doing their best to shut down talk radio, as well as TV shows like Glenn Beck.  Do you think that is partly what is inside that Cap and Tax bill ?  I just wonder what else they will try to do since The Fairness Doctrine has not worked so far.   

I have also been feeling extremely upset lately about the farms in Calif. Did you see that the govt shut off their water supply to the farms, and that are drying up now, all because the EPA wants to save a little endangered (?) minnow type of fish ?  Perhaps I mentioned this to you before?  Sorry I cannot recall. Anyway, I have been upset that it doesn’t seem to matter at all to the govt that 80,000 more people will soon be out of work in Calif , and that those beautiful farms are drying up. And why are we not hearing anything from the MSM about this ?  Why isn’t anyone talking about this, excpet for Sean Hannity on occasion ? (And not often enough)  Is this more of the dirty work of the Marxists inside our govt (to destroy the economy) ?  The lives and welfare of the people are not more important than the life of a little fish ?  As Sean Hannity said, “We should not even have to be having this discussion.”  What is wrong there ?  Why isn’t the Governor of Calif, and San Fran Nan and Babs Boxer having a fit over this happening to the farms and to the workers in their own state ?  Even though the majority of those farmers voted for BO, I still cannot help but feel sorry for them now.  Paul Rodriquez says he now regrets that he voted for Obama and for Democrats and that he / they will never do it again.  He said that Obama is not paying any attention to their cries for help. So I have to wonder ...is this a Marxist plan to take over their farms ? 

Have so much more to say regarding several things during your posts, but little time now. But thanks so much again for sharing your wisdom and information and good websites. Tucking all of these things inside my folder to take home with me next month, and will be sharing them with my daugters, as I mentioned above. 

I must say that I have also enjoyed both you and Neo-conned getting after that mentally disturbed liberal/ marxist narcissitic snitch.  You guys have tried to be nice to him. I have certainly seen that, but all he wants to do is poke and insult and cause trouble.  Ever since tk (or Terry K. or whatever his name is)  professed to be a Libertarian the other day, I have been musing that I would absolutely love to see him have to spend an entire day with Neal Boortz, or with Glenn Beck !  Can you imagine how long those two Libertarians would put up with his crap ?  <lol> Once in awhile they both get callers like tk on their radio shows, and the fit really hits the shan !  <lol> 

Have a good Sunday !

With every text book my son had when he was in public schools, I would read each and everyone. When I found something was ‘revisionist’ I would explain to him so he could understand the truth.

Long before it was PC, he brought home a book to do a report on, it was called “My Two Mommies”, I went straight to the school the next day with the book in hand. I expressed my displeasure that the book (at the time) was even allowed, and that they had better give him another book. The counselor showed me a list of approved books, I chose a classic for his reading level (somewhat advanced given that he liked to read), he got an A on his paper. In this day and age, I help pay for my nieces and nephews children for a private school, if their parents need the help.

Lincoln in the newer text books is glorified almost to Sainthood, with the “only” reason he started the War between the States, was only to free slaves. There is no mention that he had to release his and his Government also to release their slaves, before he was able to change his reasoning about what the war was about.

So much for the old saying, “The more things change, the more they remain the same.”

Diane, if Obama did not have two daughters, he would have eliminated Private Schools, so every one’s child would be in the Government schools. He has made that clear during his Campaign, and I find it disingenuous that he put his kids there.

Now I sometimes buy Audio Books, I can listen to them back an forth when I visit my parents, often times I will transfer the Audio Books to my Creative Zen Player, as well as Music (over 9,000 songs), Movies, Home Video, AM/FM radio, I use ear buds rather than over the ear head phones, better sound, and no disturbances, or the player can be plugged into my auto stereo or home theater receiver. It depends on who is reading them…But I still enjoy holding the book I am reading.

I am sure it pains the NY Times to have all these Conservative books always hitting the number 1 spot in non-fiction, at times Conservative books have occupied an many as the top eight spots.

Enjoy your read, I have it on order, I use my Amazon Visa card to buy things we need on order to get free gift certificates, even though all credit cards are all paid off each month. Therefore Malkin’s book will be free. lol

Diane (post #123) - “WOW !  I read what you shared about Lincoln.  I feel so upset that I am just now learning these things at my age!”

Just shows how complete, how one-sided, the distorted, propagandized version of ‘history’ that we’ve all been subjected to from the Establishment, has been.

Don’t feel so bad. Better, late then never, in discovering the truth.

I’ve known for a while the points you brought up concerning LBJ, RFK, King, and Robert Byrd, as have the MSM known about this. It only proves my point that it’s never REALLY about race, but instead, it’s about politics. Byrd, LBJ, and RFK got a pass from the media because of their Liberal Democrat status and policies they supported.
I would also argue that Bill Clinton could stand on a busy intersection in Harlem and shout the “N” word without political repercussions from Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and other Black ‘civil rights’ ‘leaders’. They, along with the MSM, would somehow ‘explain away’ his behavior.
Same goes for ‘feminism’, in that the feminists didn’t go after Clinton for various sexual assault allegations, yet tore into Clarence Thomas and Bob Packwood.

Re: Post 118;

I repeat, Wesley: “You’re just a jerk”.

Among the falsehoods and/or misrepresentations you post here, you have repeatedly posted a falsehood about me re: my education and service in the Marines.

Re: Your Post 91;

Your falsified statement about me: 

“...Neo-conned, with what TK has told me, he was never able to make it to a Higher Education College. He also told me as while a Marine Reservist and afterwards, he had “Low Level Clearance to the Pentagon” <guffawing>...”

And then you falsely infer that you have additional factual knowledge about my life and experiences:

Re: Your Post 104:

TK, “I happened to have acquaintance with Rasmussen and his Father going back almost 30 years ago… / ...Both Rasmussen’s are/were about as reliably politically objective as you are.)”

Your statement:

<Laughing> It seems you “always know someone who…” This is what now, the fourth time you claim you know or know someone who…yada, yada, yada. I believe you have a serious problem keeping your stories strait, fact.

AND, AS I SAID IN MY POST 107 to you:

“... You’re just a jerk ...”

“... You have no knowledge whatsoever of my personal life, nor my life experiences ...”

TO REPEAT:

YOU have NO FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE of my background,  educational or otherwise, nor of my life’s experiences, nor who I may have been associated with or acquainted with over my life - YET - you insist on fabricating inferences that you do have factual knowledge of these things.

You often do the same with your commenting on history and politics - repeating misrepresentations or falsehoods while inferring that you have some first-hand knowledge - when you don’t seem to have any knowledge at all.

THAT IS THE SOURCE OF MY “You’re just a jerk!” comment, Wesley, which, as I said, is not a “slur” but, rather, a qualitative judgment based on your insistence on posting falsehoods here - not only involving me - but involving much of what you post while pretending to know “the facts”.

In my opinion, anyone who persists in pursuing such conduct - IS A JERK.

Note: Some of the comments you’ve made in this thread are truly outlandish, totally absurd and outrightly bizarre.  Plainly - jerky!

Wes (Re:Post 128)

I agree with what you mentioned regarding Obama’s daughter’s education and private schools.  I wonder, however, if that will prevent his interferring with “home schooling”. I have read that the liberals want to stop that, and are telling the big lie that children don’t learn as much as home, when the grades on testing show just the opposite is true! So, I wonder why that is such a threat to the govt. Is it about children at home being taught the truth, and learning more than what children in govt operated schools are learning ;or is it about the money?
OR BOTH??  I probably just answered my own question, didn’t I ? <lol>

Sounds like you have a nice system with your books and music, etc . I have been ordering my books from The Conservative Book Club lately.  And I also received Michelle Malkin’s book for free.  I had trouble finding it at the book stores. I was told that it needed to be ordered and so I found better prices with the above mentioned book club.  I ordered three other books that I wanted, and received the 4th for free. Of course, I will need to order 4 more books within the next two years, but I imagine I will have no problem fulfilling that commitment by the end of the year. Actually , the first three books that I ordred from this website were only $1.00 , plus shipping and handling. So I’m happy ! And I used my AmEx which I must pay off completely each month, so that keeps me out of trouble!  <lol>

Post #130, Neo-conned,

Thanks for telling me not to feel too bad. I must admit that I went through a little bit of a grieving process after learning the truth about Abe Lincoln. I also recalled memories over the weekend of my trip to Washinton, Jamestown, and Mt Vernon. My parents took my brother and I to those places during one Spring Break, and I took pictures to share with my 7th grade class. And my report when school resumed was about Abe Lincoln. And of course, you know all of the good things that I had read and shared in my report about him. And I thought that he loved GOD too!  So my heart hurt for awhile yesterday and I grieved.  But as you said, better to finally learn the truth. So thanks.

I also believe that Clinton could get away with you what you stated.  And I might add that perhaps he has actually gotten away with far worse things. Have you ever looked at the website: “How Would You Like To Be One of Bill Clinton’s Friends?”  Now there is some scarey reading that I happpened to stumble across one day.   

And those feminists, I believe, are just a bunch of terribly insecure hypocrits.  They make absolutely no sense to me. 

Well, back to reading about the lies and corruption inside our present style of Democratic government.  I keep hoping that BO and his thugs, and his Democrat lap dogs are not going to stomp the light completely out at the end of our tunnel of freedom and prosperity. Hopefully,the majority of Americans can keep that from happening.  I was reading what Chruchill said today, ” Socialism is the equal sharing of misery.”

Wesley (#122)

re: your disappointment with the movie version of Cold Mountain -

I had to laugh when I read your post, because as bad as Hollywood is with historical reenactments, you still can’t escape from PC in even watching outlets such the History Channel as well.

The History Channel recently played part of a series about the early American presidents. The 3 or 4 ‘historians’ who commented on each president were so predictable in their admiration of Alexander Hamilton and their downplaying of Jefferson and Andrew Jackson, since the latter two abolished the two central banks during that era.
I guess it didn’t help either that Jefferson was diametrically opposed to Hamilton’s statist views concerning the role of government.

PS .....Please excuse spelling errors in previous posting, as well as for expressing what I did.  Already regretting posting “the above” here, and feeling too embarrassed to return. It was not the proper place to do so , and I apologize. On my way out to help an elderly woman in the hospital whose family is in another state. This is what I do, and was in hurry, as well as feeling a moment of passion regarding my daughter’s liberal view points. So,hope you will understand. And I am alone too most of time.  These are the kind of times that try men’s and women’s souls , for sure ! <smile>

Re: Post 137:

Your statement:

“... Both of them, along with other members/participants of those two entities would have to be 100 percent behind the messages that Wright’s sermons and La Raza espouse ...”

I certainly don’t think your “connection” here is conclusive.

For example:

I followed Bush 43’s presidency very closely on a daily basis for eight years; I listened to all his speeches, press conferences, etc.; I followed him in the media and among the commentariat - even though I supported almost NOTHING that he ever proposed or did.  Would that make you automatically believe I was pro-Bush 43?

In my youth, I knew of many Jewish kids whose parents sent them to Catholic schools from K to 12 as preferential to the available public schools.  Would that make you believe these kids (and their parents) had forsaken their Jewish religion and had automatically become Catholics because they attended Catholic school for 13 years?

Personally, Sotomayor’s speeches and Obama’s attendance at Wright’s church certainly “make me wonder” - maybe even more so because neither was my first choice for their respective positions - but neither set of circumstances CONCLUSIVELY EVIDENCE OVERT RACISM on their parts.  (And, of course, I fully understand that most people have a natural affinity “for their own kind” which rarely rises to the level of “overt racism”, e.g., don’t you think the vast majority of northeastern Irish-American Catholics voted for JFK?)

In any case, raising the issue now is beating a dead horse (as is what the “birthers” are doing).  Obama and Sotomayor have their jobs and one can only observe their current and future conduct in terms of noting any potentially overt racism on their parts.

Diane,

You have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of what-so-ever. Especially Lincoln, when I was in K through 12, and college there was never anything mentioned about the Real Lincoln. I learned what I know from reading many history books, then verifying the information via museums with many of his collective writings.

Please do not stop posting, I/we enjoy reading your posts, I believe your daughter out in the real world, common sense will take over.

The fact is that 98% of all Professors are liberal for socialists. My son while in college wondered what politics had to do with many of his subjects such as Computer Science and others, but almost every liberal Professor will start a class or lecture with a liberal political view. He knew to just toe the line in order to get the GPA he earned, that is how that keep dissent out of teaching. He is his own man and wanted to speak out against them, but knew the consequences had he done so, especially since he was accepted on a full scholarship, and did not want to take the chance to lose it…

Neo-conned, I am away that the History Channel often follows a liberal point of view, but there are many shows which truly show the conservative point of view. Since I DVR almost everything we watch (not big TV fans anyway), but the Military Channel and Oliver North’s “War Stories” are pretty accurate.

TK, what I said in my post you complained about is taken for the ungodly amount of posts you have made over the past year, you just do not realize how often you have contradicted yourself, that is no fault of mine. If you did indeed attend a University, you should have take classes on Transactional Analysis, that is part of the requirement of FBI Profilers, it unbelievable what you can learn in five minutes of talking to someone, or just reading their writings.

Re: Post #144.

Hi Wes, 

On way to work, and no time to post any more now, but will respond later this evening.  But in the meantime, I could not leave without saying THANKS TO YOU , also !  <smile) 

Enjoy your day!

Re : Post #144

Wes, Thanks again for you nice post to me earlier today. I really appreciated that.  I was thinking further today, and I also believe that my daughters will eventually come around.  I know deep down they are conservatives at heart, and I think they both will come to realize this before too much longer.
I was musing today that perhaps I will accidentally….(LOL)....leave a couple of my books at each of their homes during my visit;  such as Glenn Beck’s {Common Sense}, and perhaps, {Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder).  <smile>

I have heard from many peoplewho have also shared that they learned to tow the line (regarding politics) with their professors while in college, just as you mentioned that your son did.  I didn’t experience that , thankfully.  Perhaps it was because I attentded to small community college.  I don’t know. 

Well, if you don’t see me for a few days, you will know that I will be working,  reading and keeping up with the news.  Sounds like Glenn Beck is going to have a very interesting show all of next week (after his vacation this week.) Perhaps getting even closer to what is going on inside Acorn and Apollo, I hope.  Those organizations need to be investigated and we need to know what they are up to, I think. I just can’t help but wonder each and every day what they are busy organizing, or what they are perhaps training for.           

Thanks once again, Wes, for being so nice.  Have a good week !

Wes and Neo-conned,

(A few days later) Wondering where you guys might be blogging in AIM lately ?  Or if you have also been taking a break ?

Post #151 WES, I visited the website that you posted. There were so many interesting postings there, and I enjoyed reading everyone’s points of view and ideas, and references, as usual…with the exception of TK’s, of course. I stopped paying attention to a lot of his postings long ago for so many reasons…but mostly because he contradicts himself at least on a weekly basis , if not sometimes daily. And of course he is always insulting other people’s intelligence.  It’s a shame that tk continues to be such a bully; and that he gets so angry when no one agrees with his politics. And he always feels the need to attack !  Seems that everyone who posts in AIM has pretty much figured him out by now. I have even noted that some new people who have posted here were quick to see that he is up to no good. I also noted that they were not willing to give him all the chances to be nice which you have in the past. I have noticed for a very long time that Tk is rarely ever respectful to anyone with whom he disagrees. And then when the bully finally gets told by any person who posts here that they have had enough of his rudeness, and finally stand up to defend themselves, then Tk runs and tattles on them ! I have been trying to figure out for such a long time why he keeps coming back for more, since it is plain to see (from what others post back to him ), that he totally wastes his time here.  Either his hard liberal head refuses to believe that; OR he actually is receiving pay from the lefties to try to win people over to “their” way of thinking. Perhaps the office that he brags about working in “where everyone laughs at our postings” , as he so informed us once; is where those misfit Czars are !<lol>  And perhaps they are all dictating to him what to post ! Or perhaps he gets on the phone like that one congresswoman for his instructions about what to post ! <lol>  Looks like whoever might have hired him would finally say, “Let’s give it up. No one is buying the crap sandwiches that Tk is trying to force feed them. ”  Wonder if he could manage a Dairy Queen ?  I doubt that the tyrant would be able to keep any good help. I cannot imagine him being a kind manager of people any where.  I keep praying that he will leave here soon.  I certainly don’t mind anyone disagreeing with me regarding something that I post here, or with something that I might have read or heard about.  Afterall, that is the main reason why I enjoy being here ...to learn !  Sometimes I don’t post at all. I just read what others have to say.  But whether I post or not, I have observed for a very long time that Tk can rarely manage to be nice.  He always has to attack people by calling their posts “nutty” , or asking people what planet they are from , or calling them “Un American”, or some other insulting horrible type of comment.  And so afer awhile, people get tired of it and let him know how they feel about his disrespect, and then he spins it all around and blames everyone for picking on him from the beginning !  That’s that typical liberal “two-step”, I guess.  It’s okay for him to insult and attack, but not okay for anyone else to do when it is only about them defending themselves. If I knew how to share this posting with the representatives at AIM , I would certainly do so. I am so thankful to AIM and for this site, and for people like you who post here, and I would even feel tolerable of Tk’s points of view, if he could just treat others who post here with some respect.  His attitude is always that it’s either his way of thinking , or it’s the highway for everybody ! 
Best regards, Wes.

Re: post #150

Hi Diane,

Been chillin ever since recovering from Shel’s response #22 in the “Obama Challenged By Student at Town Hall” thread, which we’ll revisit here -

““Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…. Obama isn’t required to produce squat.” [end quote]

Otherwise, been catching up on some reading over the weekend. Hope yours was as restful.

Neo-conned,

Although the did not seem to support TK, it has emboldened him to even further extremes. No one is capable of changing my mind or my beliefs, not even Shel, whom I believe to be a ringer brought into our site.

Perhaps we should bring in more of our own to counter, this being a “Tell it like it is” site to balance our efforts there.

We may be able to handle them, but they are just parroting the MSM and the Pelosi crowd. They put down Fox News, even with a 40% Democrat/Independent percentage, where else can one get both sides of any story without Fox or the “Right” publications, even when they have been proved to be much more consistently correct than any MSM outlet.

And did you catch the comment about mediamatters.com, they are to the left of most Liberals.

Unbelievable…

By the way, no need to worry about Glenn Beck, we not only had our own anti-boycott, but it seems as though he has more than enough backing:

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/beck_boycott_fox_backlash/2009/08/23/251369.html?s=al&promo_code=85E6-1

Shut up, TK…you are not welcome here any longer, we all know how you have problems with the truth.

You’re Mother needs to wash your mouth out with soap. Laughing harder…

<Oooh, I liked this one>

Yawn!

Re: Post 162;

SNAFUmeister:

E-X-A-C-T-L-Y !!!

That’s YOU to a “T”!

A big, ugly, open mouth expelling copious amounts of hot, humid air!

You finally posted a TRUTH!

(That does not, however, effect the terminal jerkiness of the vast majority of your postings here!)

Re: Post 165;

If you had as much knowledge about history, politics and government as you think you have about me - you might actually be able to post something here that might make some real-world sense.  As it is, you come up short on all accounts.

Post 166.  Tk
Oh, you think that everyone “comes up short on all accounts” who post in AIM! You insult people all the time with your holier than thou attitude.  Well, just keep on living in your little fantasy world. <lol>

Re: Post 168;

I never said “EVERYONE” who posts here “comes up short on all accounts”.

What I did say was that YOU come up short on all accounts.

(But I do apologize for singling you out;  I absolutely should have included “Wesley In Dallas” as another poster here who comes up short on all accounts.)

TK ...Your insults are so typical of liberals who are never able to deal with the truth !  You really do waste your time here. We just laugh at your bully stupidity.  I am curious as to what you are getting paid per hour to spread your lies here, because I might be willing to pay you an extra dollar an hour if you would just stay inside your play pen. <lol>  (And no sneaking the computer inside your play pen either!)<lol>

Post #169

Wes, Thank you!  Yes, I know that I did the right thing. Staying inside an abusive relationship is not a healthy way to raise children.  And I am also glad that he got help and experienced happiness again during his last years. 

Was happy to read that you have also turned some people around regarding their poliical views. Of course, I am not surprised at all that you have been able to do so.  I have been doing the same in my community whenever I feel that the time is right and when I have an open window for discussion. I have been so amazed at the amount of Democrats in my community who have been expressing “buyers remorse” without my having ever said anything, however.  They just began paying closer attention. Seems that so many began waking up right afer Nobama fired the president of GM. That scared them. I heard.  And of course, by now, no one wants that lousy socialized health care package ; nor a Marxist style of govt. Many of my neighbors are Canadian snow birds who share the horror stories of Canadian health care.  A couple of my neighbors have even gone so far to say, “We would rather have Bush back. That is how much this new guy is scaring us.”  And more and more people are tuning into FOX news now , or listening to Lou Dobbs, so they tell me.  So this gives me hope!  And of course, I am feeling so much better now that my youngest daughter has awakened.  I have been praynig so hard for this , but was amazed that it happened so soon after asking GOD to help my daughters to see the truth. Just goes to show what the power of prayer will do ! I do believe that my youngest daughter will lead my oldest daughter back into the light of truth soon too ! I feel as if I won’t need to worry so much about them if they are both aware and more prepared for what might be coming. Does that make sense ?  Altough I wonder if any of us will ever feel completely prepared.  <sigh> 

I also heard last evening what you mentioned about Ted Kennedy.  Yes, there is that old “liberal two- step” that they do so well !  They always want to change the rules in mid stream whenever it suits their personal agenda. Speaking of T.K. and “mid stream”,  I always find myself laughing a little when Neo-conned refers to him as “The Swimmer.”  That really was such a tragedy, however. Those Kennedy’s have always been able to get away with ......well, way too much ! 

The end of life pamphlets are disgraceful ! I heard about that yesterday too, but I will certainly check out that website.  Thanks ! 

It is absolutely scarey about the corruption inside Apollo and Acorn. And the MSM should be reporting all of this, and I keep hoping that they will be forced to do so soon !  Sounds like the democrats in congress could become nothing more than a “front” for the wizards in APOLLO, who will be writing the bills, and making the rules, and rushing to destroy the constitution.  I think that if they manage to get that health care bill through, that will be only the tip of the iceberg as to what horrible things are in store for the American people. 

I also saw the news about Alec Baldwin.  Just what we need, another nut case who thinks he has experience from watching a TV series ! <LOL> (I never watched the West Wing show either) And of course, we have Sotomyer (msp?) who read Nancy Drew books.  And we also have Stuart Smalley from The Sat Nite Live Show, who never missed a Perry Mason show!  And then we have Nobama and Hillary who became so much more inspired after reading Saul Alinsky !  What a mess!

Well, back to chores here and will be watching Glenn Beck.  I wish I knew how to transfer the shows that I have recorded on my DVR over to tapes. I know that I am going to have to get busy and learn. My teenagers used to do those type of things for me, and I miss that ! <lol>

Re: Post 175;

I do not “defend” the administration!

I do defend “facts”, realities, practicalities, cooperation, collaboration, open-mindedness, an Independent political perspective based on informed, reasoned and objective opinion and perspective - and I DETEST ignorance, stupidity, blind ideological partisanship, and EXTREMISTS of all political stripes.

Personally, I believe almost EVERY politician, regardless of party, is corrupted by the very nature of his occupation - and I believe BOTH political parties as currently constituted - SUCK.

I also believe the Bush-Cheney administration was clearly the worst of the thirteen in my lifetime - and that, down the road, historians will label that administration one of the 2-3-4 worst.

I further believe that the current economic meltdown is the result of the adherence over the last 28 years to the fallacious concepts of Reaganomics - and the lack of sufficient and/or competent regulation of the financial services sector by the profligate Bush 43 administration.  Obama is stuck trying to save a sinking ship that had VERY LARGE holes punched in it by the policies of Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton and, especially, Bush 43.

I have no patience for your particular brand of purely partisan and ideologically-based “fear and loathing”!

(And, note: I have NOT had a SINGLE “freedom” of mine “destroyed” by Obama or his administration.)

(Note also: You and your same-minded cohorts spend more time railing and writing about me and your silly assumptions thereof than you do intelligently posting about the specific topic at hand!  That’s pretty weird.)

Re: Post 177:

SNAFUmeister:

Your comment:

“Yet”

Mindless fear, anxiety and paranoia about some possible presupposed occurrence of the future is a deleterious personal trait and runs contrary to more intellectual considerations.

Your comment:

“... If you would not continue to be a brat, we would not be spend “ANY” time writing about you! ...”

The idea of “bratdom” (like most of your fears) is not rooted in anything empirical but, rather, is a purely subjective and emotional concept.  However, since they say that “ANY publicity is good publicity” - - by all means, keep writing about ME instead of the topic(s) at hand.

P.S.

And, if I’m a ‘brat” in your opinion - I’m still waiting for some word from you as to your perception of that a**hole “Tyler”?

Do you ADMIT to having a SEPARATE STANDARD for those who you perceive as “leftists” from the standard you apply to right-wing nutcases like “Tyler”?

Do YOU not have any fixed principals regarding the differentiation between my “bratdom” and his “a**holeness”?

Is there a difference between me calling you a “jerk” and a poster writing to another “I hope to meet you some day so I can put a bullet in your head”?

(Clearly, i believe you and your fellow posters (like C. Roy, Boston Beaner 49, et. al) will fail this test!)

Wesley, I understand you reported me, and thats fine.  I regret what I said and if aim wants me to go to jail for it I will.  I hope aim will talk to me about it and also take into account that tk once told me to “save my parents the embarrasement and put a bullet in my head.”  That is where my comment stimmed from.  TK said that months ago he will probably deny it but its true.  I also hope aim takes into account how tk is a bully and makes a mockery of the comment section and the articles.  Wesley do you think I should be worried about this matter?

Thanks Wesley.  I wouldn’t say tk said the same thing about me he just basically said I should shoot myself.  I know he will take offense to it if I don’t correct the record.  It might sound corny but you seem like a really good guy Wesley and your insight to issues is unbelievable.  I think you would have great success if you started your own blog or did politcal consulting.  You should consider it.  Thanks again.

Thanks all,

Running an Article type of blog would take too much time every day, plus a staff. Setting the site up, and getting pre-written articles (With Permission) from other sites would not be a problem, but then I would need income to pay for staff and Bandwidth, Commercial Routers, and several servers, that is not what I have been saving and playing the Markets and Money Markets all these years for…

I have to go for a Bone Marrow Aspiration (Biopsy), drilling through the bone is only slightly painful. It is when they extract the Marrow that feels like someone drilling a hole in a tooth and continue to pour Ice Water into it, but you kind of get used to it after awhile.

Tyler and Diane,

You guys have a good one, if I am up to it later I may return.

G’ Bye all.

Re: Post 179;

I respect that you “detest Tyler’s comment” and convey a “Thank you” for posting your judgment of it. 

Tyler has posted some other extreme, violent and absurd comments - emblematic, in my opinion, of someone with a serious problem.  He has also said in a post that I supposedly made some similar comment to him somewhere along the way: THAT IS A LIE! 

The worst comment I ever made to him - and that was following another one of his sick posts- was that he should “zip up your fly” - with the inference that he should stop his asinine ranting and raving. 

If he’s a 12- or 13-year-old - or clinically mentally-challenged or emotionally unbalanced - then one might excuse his loser posts.  On the other hand, if he’s at least an appropriately-reared and basically-educated adult - then THERE IS NO EXCUSE for his posting of violent or criminal threats.

In my opinion, he’s a sick puppy and is emblematic of the politically far-out-on-the-fringe whackjobs   and nutcases that I detest (including similar anti-government, right-wing types apparently currently exercising their lack of intellect and emotional control at some of the so-called “town meetings” - and, of course, the equally out-of-control left-wing types of the protest movements of the late ‘60s and early ‘70s).  I have never had any respect for these kinds of extremists.  And, after one of these mental midgets and emotional morons exhibits such unadulterated hate as to cause him/her to threaten to “put a bullet in (somebody’s) head” - there is no such thing as an acceptable “apology” coming from such a mindless fool for being such an a**hole.  (And, if someone made such a comment to me out on the street - I’d do everything I could right then and there to beat him to the punch!)

“Tyler” is personal non grata to me.  Permanently.  (And he’s a damned liar, now, too.  Check the posts.)

AND I WILL REPEAT THIS TO YOU FOR AT LEAST THE TENTH TIME:

I DO NOT GET INTO IT WITH ANYBODY - UNLESS THEY START IT!

And, on this website, and, I believe among right-wingnuts in general, immediately attacking the messenger is the mindless tactic du jour!  Review all the posts you want - but I NEVER start off calling anyone a name, engaging in sarcasm or attacking anyone personally - unless they have done that to me FIRST!

You’re a prime example of the problem:  Several times I’ve said to you - “YOU give it up!” and then “I’ll give it up!” - but you continue to chastise me personally rather than just specifically arguing against some point I’ve made.  In simple terms:  I “rip” ONLY AFTER I’ve “first been ripped”!  (And you can go back and look at all the posts you want to check that.  If I’ve impersonally criticized some comment someone has made - there are those posters here who immediately degenerate into responding with name-calling or a personal attack - or those like “C. Roy”, “Boston Beaner 49”, and other similar mutts - who butt into some commenting going on between myself and someone else - and jump right in with the name-calling, sarcasm, and personal attacks.  And, naturally, AS i’VE ALSO SAID TO YOU MANY TIMES - I AM GOING TO RESPOND IN KIND - hopefully even more stridently.

All of this dickering, of course, when occurring in some politically-based medium, is often the result of blind partisanship and polarization - wherein anyone NOT holding the party line or perspective - is immediately wrong and become “the enemy”.

And, personally, I believe that if AIM considers itself to be a serious, professional and law-abiding entity - it should permanently bar “Tyler” and other obviously violence-oriented extremists like him/her from its website.

And, further, and again personally and with serious consideration of the isse, I am absolutely confident that I have NEVER “hated” anyone - including you.  There are plenty for whom I have no respect whatsoever; there are others (like “Tyler”) who I may consider beneath contempt; and there are yet others who I feel are so far out of the mainstream so as not to be taken seriously - and - my general response in these cases is to simply “dismiss the idiots” as not worth bothering with.  Persona non grata.  I wouldn’t waste any emotion of any kind for those who I feel aren’t worth bothering with.

Remember, the opposite of “Love” is NOT “Hate”!  The opposite of “Love” IS - the ABSENCE OF LOVE.
So, for me, if I decide that within my perspective someone is a “complete jerk”, a “loser” or an “a**hole” - generally not any longer worth dealing with - I just mentally dismiss them or disassociate from them without any further thought about it or them.

You have criticized me for having “no conscious” -  by which, I believe, you mean “no CONSCIENCE”.  Regarding those people who, because of their unacceptable conduct or statements (statements like “Tyler” made), at least in terms of continued interaction with them, I simply dismiss them from my world as not worth bothering with - so you’re probably correct on that score - that I have no conscience regarding those who have shown themselves to be not worth bothering with.  To coin a phrase - I could not care less about them in all regards.

As I’ve said many times before - if everyone plays politely and by the rules - I’ll play politely and by the rules.  If, however, somebody goes off into some personal attack mode - I will respond in kind - and hopefully more stridently so.  (Finally - take a hint!)

TK, I don’t know what kind of world you live in but in my world most people are jerks.  Wesley has proven himself to be genuine, smart and nice and I told him that he should start a blog and that I appreciate his writings whats wrong with that?  It probably does seem a little odd coming from me but no I don’t have bi polar.  As far as citing to the article when you told me to kill myself I’m not gonna do it.  That would take as much time as a hoarder cleaning out his house.  AIM can take my word or your word but just a couple days ago you were lying about viewers on cable news.  You said msnbc and cnn combined have alsmost or as much viewers as fox and thats not true.  I look at the nielson ratings on two left leaning web sites and fox puts them to shame.  From this point on I’m not gonna post anymore I prefer to be in a good mood and not deal with this kind of crap.  But apparantly its what you live for.  I’ll apologize again for saying that about you I really regret it now especially seeing how often your bringing it up.  I didn’t expect you to admit what you wrote about me but I got over it.  You should do the same.

TK ....Could you please make an effort to be a little more of a gentleman, and see if you can manage to make it through at least one day without attacking those with whom you disagree, or those who disagree with you ???  Just give it a try (if you possibly can), and see what happens.

191 Diane,

Happy to hear you enjoyed them.

Post 186:

TK, I did mean “conscious”, as in aware, mindful, cognizant…also in conjunction of deliberate, premeditated, on purpose, willful…

As hateful as you are towards not only myself, but to the unsuspecting others, ONLY because they say something you vehemently disagree with. You have no debating skills, just condemnation. I can also prove you are the first to get most articles off topic.

Notice that I only reply to your hate filled posts toward me, WHEN I choose to do so; very often I just ignore them.

To Tyler’s credit, he not only sincerely apologized to you for the first remark, and then you later said of his comment:

“I wouldn’t say tk said the same thing about me he just basically said “I should shoot myself…”.
A comment I saw for myself in which you did say that to him. But instead of accepting his apology, you attacked him again, and again in this post #15:

“You’re a mental and moral midget who apparently has little intellectual ability and definitely no emotional control.

AIM is hypocritical in its posting policies:  if they didn’t kick your sorry a** off after your Post 1 above - then ANYTHING GOES (at least anything goes as regards the “protected” rantings of a right-wing nutcase who makes the Mongol Horde look like a bunch of dreaded “Liberals”).

The only thing you “know” “Tyler” is how to exhibit uncontrolled motor-mouthed, gun-wielding and threatening rage against those who don’t think exactly as you do!  You’re pathetic!”
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Had you accepted the apology, he would not had to reply to your condescending remarks, which would have not been needed had you done the right thing.

I did what I took the correct action, and you acknowledged my statement. As it seems to be apparent as AIM has. I have seen you berate him to the point to where all he was able to do was defend himself the best way he knew how (Other than the bullet comment).

Also, I have posted his apology to the site of the original comment.

I know how to run a web site, much, much larger than this one will ever be. I did the hiring and firing and ran the site for over six years, with 1.9 million “new” members, when I took it over, when I took it over there were only 232,000 members.

re: #193

GOOD RIDDANCE!!

Thanks, AIM Moderator

Well, at least we can stay on topic in postings. Perhaps I should have reported TK sooner, it would have been much less frustrating.

Thanks AIM, most of the other dissenters I have came across have at least stayed on Topic.
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Diane,

You can post without being put down for everything you say now.
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I have seen the newest AIM Email, but may not get to it until tomorrow.

I get really worn out these days, but I am changing Oncologists, the latest one I released. He could not figure out why the leukemia keeps returning (No one knows, but he had stopped giving me much needed Blood Infusions) which help keep my energy level up.

Take care all…

Diane,

Thank you for your support, Dr. Erwin is U. Of Texas M.D.Anderson Cancer Center certified, that saves me a very long and congested drive to the Downtown Medical Center. M.D. Anderson has the best Cancer Mortality rate in the world, it is a beautiful well planned and comfortable hospital I have ever been in, my Dr. there is Dr. Beran, considered to be the best Leukemia Doctor in the world. Yet my disorder was even a puzzle to him, but at least he did enough Marrow extractions to send to other very well known Cancer Specialists in the world. From the Mayo Clinic to Switzerland.

I would really hate not seeing you around, I enjoy reading your posts, you Neo, and I seem to all be on or near the same philosophy. We just do not buy into the Liberal tripe.

Today was the first day of the National TEA Party, beginning in San Francisco, to D.C., no matter what it takes, when it gets to Texas, I will be there. In the event that the ObamaCare passes in September, this new Oncologist has promised me a years supply of Procrit Vials and syringes. I use it sparingly as it is, so it could last me for years. (Immune booster). With the Diabetes, I am used to giving myself the stomach injections, when I do go for a visit somewhere, I just put both in the syringe (Insulin and Procrit).

I was able to make the one in San Antonio, where Beck was the last time. Ted Nugent did a great job on our National Anthem in his guitar. The MSM lied about who all was at the one in S.F. today, the interviews from people were from all political spectrum’s, even a few who claimed to be liberals.

Looking forward to having decent debates on the issues now that TK is gone. I do not think he knows how to change IP addresses, but he may get on with another name if he has access to a different IP. I think he became addicted to putting others down. LOL

You all take care, need to log off for late night international calls (actually very early morning). But I get up around 3:30 to 4:00am anyway.

Diane, did you get the new AIM newsletter? I will be looking at it tomorrow.

Good evening all.

Wes

Diane,

Thank you as always, but you need to take care of YOU! I only wish there was something I could do to help you, but I know there isn’t, so take very good care of yourself.

I also hope you have a great visit with your family, they are so important in our lives. Sounds as though you could use some rest and relaxation.

Oh, I was seen on the Beck TEA Party, I was wearing a white ball cap, with red stars on top and bottom of the Blue wording: “An American Patriot”. I had a sign which several had: TEA=Taxed Enough Already, and a tee shirt which I had printed here in Houston, it said: “NEVER TRUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THE USA DOWN”, on the back was an American Flag, with lettering above and below: “I served my Country…Why don’t you?”

My Wife was able to make the one here in Houston, but not the one in San Antonio, where I was born while my father was serving in the Air Force, based at Sheppard AFB. He flew B-29 Bombers in Korea.

I quit drinking about 15 years ago (Social Drinker) but had lost the taste for any alcohol, but if you ever make it to San Antonio, you must take some friends or family and experience the River Walk, you can ride boats or go on Dinner Boats, both sides of the river are crowded with Bars and Restaurants. The only part of the Alamo left is the Church and courtyard, where most of the war of Texas Independence was first fought. The other 10 sq. miles were destroyed. 189 men fought and killed 696 Mexican troops out of over 2,380, and held the Alamo for 13 days. The Texans beat Santa Anna in the Battle at San Jacinto in 1836, Texas had declared its Independence, and became its own country, The Republic of Texas.

Sorry about the history lesson. LOL

Diane,

Have a great time, and please take care, looking forward to October when you return.

Hi Wes, and Neo…  Wanted to let you know about the show on FOX this weekend called “Textbooks”.
Very important show !  Just this past week , I learned from a friend of mine that Muslim relgious leaders are visting govt schools and talking about The Muslim religion to our kids, and the schools are not informing the parents about this. Parents have only learned about it from their kids, and only if their kids have thought to share this information !  And no equal time is being given to any one from other religions either.  And the show “Textbooks” focuses on this problem , as well as with the “white-washing” of our history books, or no history books being shown to kids at all ! This friend of mine wrote to Sean Hannity about this yesterday (about the Islam religion being sneaked in and taught), as well as some local radio shows.  She tried to write Beck, but had trouble with his website.
I have also learned that many schools have a policy which does not allow kids to take their text books home from school anymore ! Hopefully many parents will be paying attention to this show “Textbooks” this weekend and investigating the textbooks inside their chidren’s schools.  Wish so much that the media had shed some light on this serious problem many years ago. Better late than never, however.

Doing well. Feeling better. Working a lot.  Going home next Thursday.  Hoping that Southwest Airlines have fixed their defective parts problem by then. Saying prayers here. 

I probably saw you on TV, Wes, but didn’t realize that was you, of course !  Perhaps next time! I liked reading about your patriotic attire ! 

Would love to visit San Antonio one day.  I have had several chances to go, but the timing was never right.  One day, I shall !  I can certainly see myself enjoying a glass of wine along the famous River Walk.    And thanks for the History lesson. (No need to apologize)  I always enjoy a history lesson. And I always know they are true, coming from you too!  <smile> 
 
And thanks Neo-conned for the websites which you shared ! Hope to have time to read those after work this evening.
 
Once again, if I don’t have time to write for awhile…..I will see you in October ! 
You take care too !!

Wesley (#203)

<<“but what finally did it, was his [Van Jones] singing the petition to call for an investigation that Bush had orchestrated the whole thing. No way in hell he could have done that and covered it up, something that serious surely would have been leaked like a sieve.”>>

In all honesty, Wes, if my neck was placed under a guillotine and I was promised by my would-be executioners that my life would be spared if my declaration that [9/11 was an unforeseen event that caught the Bush administration by total surprise], was proven to be a TRUE, then such a ‘declaration’ would not be made by me.

Whether 9/11 was a surprise attack, or that the Bush administration knew that terrorists were planning to attack us and let it happen for cynical political motives, or that the administration carried out the attacks themselves because of dark, cynical political motives…...My answer to that would be - “I Don’t Know” .

As far as your belief that an orchestrated 9/11 could not be covered up - all one has to do is look at the ongoing media blackout by the establishment media and FOX News concerning the eligibility issue of the usurper. Despite the blatant suspicious actions of him investing over a million dollars in legal fees to prevent his personal records from being released, NO ONE, NOT EVEN FOX NEWS, REPORTS ON THIS!!

Look at the Kennedy assassination footage where it’s obvious that the fatal head shot came from Kennedy’s forward-right side, and not from behind (where the Texas School Book Depository was located), and the fact that Oswald was killed off by a mob-connected strip bar owner. To what extent Oswald was involved in the assassination, I don’t know, but to me it’s apparent that he was not acting alone. Maybe the bullet wound to the neck was attributed to him, but I doubt the fatal head shot was. Yet the media and political establishment say Oswald pulled off the whole episode himself.

I think my strongest case for not knowing whether or not there was government involvement in orchestrating the 9/11 attacks would be to bring up a topic that you and I touched upon further up on this thread - Lincoln and the Civil War.
From reading Tom DiLorenzo’s book “The Real Lincoln”, I am convinced that Lincoln, along with his cowardly, bestial, Nazi-like generals (Sherman and Sheridan being the most notorious of the lot) were outright enemies of the Constitution, war criminals, and resorted to a ‘by any means necessary’ strategy to secure ‘victory’ against a Confederate Army that they couldn’t subdue in conventional battle.
So they resorted to waging war on civilians in the Southern states. They pillaged, plundered, looted, and burned down entire towns and cities to destroy the Southern economy and starve out the women, children, and elderly while the younger men were off fighting against Lincoln’s federal troops.
All of these cowardly, barbaric acts to keep the South from their constitutional right to secede and to ultimately centralize power in Washington, greatly expand the size of the federal government, and to firmly establish British mercantilist policies of Lincoln and his Hamiltonian/Whig/Republican Party cronies. The socialist Keynesian economic policies we’ve suffered under since FDR are just an extension of those policies. The anti-slavery rhetoric by Lincoln was propaganda to keep the British from entering the conflict on the South’s behalf.

I vowed never to recite the “Pledge of Allegiance” ever again since DiLorenzo explained in the same book that it was written by an avowed socialist named Francis Bellamy. In essence, you’re ‘pledging your allegiance to a central government - “One nation, [indivisible].
Another words, succession is treason.
This is what we’ve been taught in our government-run public schools. This is why the media, Fox News, and both political parties have nothing but kind words when it comes to Lincoln, because of the big government monstrosity of corruption, corporate welfare, crippling regulations, etc. that he represented.

I pledge my allegiance to the Constitution.

So, when you consider the long-term conspiracy among the academia, media, and political establishment in covering up Lincoln’s atrocities on defenseless civilians for the ‘greater cause’ of what he REALLY represented, I can definitely keep my mind open to any possible conspiracy in relation to 9/11 as an extension of that ‘greater cause’. To me, the larger and more intrusive government gets, the more potentially ruthless its members become.