ROGER ARONOFF: So, our next speaker here, Lieutenant Colonel Dennis B. Haney, U.S. Air Force Retired. Lieutenant Colonel Haney was a program manager, a U.S. Air Force jet fighter, air craft operations director, flight test director and combat-experienced Electronic Warfare Officer with 22 years of experience as an electronic combat technical expert. He served three years on the 52nd Tactical Fighter Wing Staff in Spangdahlem air base in Germany, and has served in a number of positions at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory. He assisted the Cooperative Engagement Capability program manager in managing 185 technical personnel in positions including Assistant Program Manager for the CEC program. After retiring he joined Special Operations Speaks as the Operations Coordinator. Lieutenant Colonel Dennis B. Haney.
LT. COLONEL DENNIS B. HANEY: Thank you, sir.
HANEY: Thank you, Roger. I really appreciate it. And I really appreciate the turnout today, and what Roger didn’t mention, and I don’t know if I put it in the bio to him, was that I’m a Wild Weasel, a United States Air Force Wild Weasel. And for anybody that knows what a Wild Weasel is, I wanted to be one, so that just goes to show you–
ARONOFF: For those who don’t.
HANEY: For those who don’t: I’m an expert in killing Soviet-made surface-to-air missile, radar-directed SAM-sites, that have missiles that go four times faster than a missile I have, and they’ve got missiles that go anywhere from three to 20 times longer than the missiles I have.
So, I’m an expert at killing them, and that’s my job. In fact, I had, when I was in systems command–I was there as a project manager, I was sitting next to my project engineer on a particular thing that we were looking for with a group from a Middle Eastern nation who was a friendly, who we spent about $1.6 billion a year for. But at any rate, we were discussing with them a concept that they had, and I was a program manager or project manager for that, for the Air Force, and out at the Air Force flight test operation. And, the engineer next to me knew I was a Wild Weasel, knew I killed SAM sites.
And right across from me–of course there was no alcohol involved. Right across from me was the air defense commander for an SA-2 site, for this particular nation, third world nation, and I was an expert in third world integrated air defense systems, and still am. And the project engineer was just dying to let this guy know that I killed SAM sites, and that in Southeast Asia I killed SA-2 SAM sites, and out of the 40 air-to-ground anti-radiation missiles we shot, 15 including 10 in flight test, 40 of them, out of 40 you’re going to hit something one of these days. And if you put it in 20 were easily within the basket of the Shrike, very venerable missile–developed by the Navy, by the way–and I flew the F4 developed by the Navy, by the way. And the day after I saw the Navy Blue Angels at [Unintelligible] Naval Air Station, I joined the Air Force, by the way. I couldn’t see being in a tin can with another guy for six months. But at any rate.
And so, finally, the engineer couldn’t stand it any more and I was about half-way up with my fork with a load spoon–with a load of peas. The spoons is another story. But, a load of peas, and he says to the Egyptian–pardon me, air defense, SA-2 commander, he says, “Danny kills SAM sites for the United States Air Force. He’s a Wild Weasel.” And the Egyptian looks at me, and I’m halfway up and he says, “You’re my enemy.” And I said, without wavering, of all things, I said, “Yes I am.” And we ended up being close friends by the end of the evening. Arm in arm walking out the door. It just goes to show you how when you’re not shooting at each other, you’re brothers in arms in one way or another.
But, I digress. I did want to mention one other thing. If you Google “Dennis Haney Wild Weasel” on Google–I don’t know about the other search engines–you’ll find my stuff in the United States Air Force National Museum, United States Air Force. And all that means is, I’m getting old. But it’s there.
HANEY: Lieutenant Colonel Andy Woods. He was a special forces detachment commander over in Libya, specifically in the Benghazi area of responsibility. He asked to stay in July of 2011, he asked to stay there because Benghazi was understaffed as far as security goes. He was told ‘No’ twice and he was sent back to the States or Germany.
RETIRED CAPTAIN LARRY BAILEY (USN SEAL): On July 2012, July 2012, right?
HANEY: 12. I’m sorry, yes. July 2012, right before Benghazi. He knew things were getting hot. Christopher Stevens had asked for support twice, already, additional security, been told ‘No.’ So that’s the backdrop by which this whole thing starts cranking up.
On the ramp with the assistant to the Ambassador there, I believe, in a jeep or [Unintelligible] Humvee, on the way into the ramp that was a Libyan C-130–I believe it was a C-130on the way to Libya–on the way to Benghazi to go pick up the bodies and remains and provide some help, some security, including, I believe, ex-Navy SEAL Glen Doherty who worked for, at the time, the CIA, was a contractor. Colonel Gibson made a radio call to be sure he was cleared to go and he was cleared not to go. And, some people use the term “stand down,” and there was an administrative bureaucrat, and I saw this on TV. That bureaucrat stated that Lieutenant Colonel Gibson was not told to stand down. He was told not to go. Now you tell me the difference.
BAILEY: There was a second contractor, Tyrone Woods, too.
HANEY: Yes, Tyrone Woods. I’ll get to Ty. Believe me. Meanwhile, Tyrone Woods was at the CIA Annex, because he was also under contract to the CIA, and he asked, he heard the fight going on over there at the consulate/mission, if you will, consulate. Whatever the heck they call those things. And he heard the fight going on. And an American military fighting man is geared to go to the fight. He’s not geared to turn away. He’s not geared to go to his quarters, and he’s not geared to go to sleep. He’s geared to go to the fight.
So he asked permission of his CIA handlers if he could go. He was turned down. He asked again. He was turned down. He asked a third time, he was turned down. He didn’t ask a fourth time, he went, he went with others. He went with anywhere from–there were a total of five to seven by the time they got there and Glen Doherty got, brought up the Alamo regiment to come in to help the fight. And that includes the CIA gent that was mentioned earlier, Ubben.
So, there he is up there trying to work the fight. Now, on behalf of people who wonder why things really got out of hand 0ver there. They put up such a horrendous fight, that’s when the terrorists figured out, ‘Okay, things are not going well here. Why are we meeting so much resistance?’ That’s because they had Navy SEALs special forces, and specially trained CIA people up there fighting them. And, so that’s what happened.
General Dempsey said, ‘Couldn’t get anybody there within 20 hours.’ During the operation against Libya in 1986– I know the primary planner for U safety on that raid out of the F111s out of [Unintelligible], they got there in eight hours. And they’re traveling from Great Britain, and they made it, and they had to go around France. They had to go around France in order to make it. And they made it in eight hours, and they bombed Qaddafi’s tent. And when he came out of there he was all bandaged up. He wasn’t dead, but he was bandaged up, and it was from that strike. And he, this gent autographed the book on it and told me the story himself. And he gave me a call here about this whole shenanigans. So 20 hours, that’s absolutely a lie. There’s no truth to that whatsoever.
General McInerney saw on record as having said, he could have gotten jets here, Aviano could have had jets there. But the more important thing that General McInerney impressed on me was the fact that Aviano should have been jets on alert. The whole from Morocco all the way East, to as far as you want to go in the far East, is on fire, folks. It’s not just simmering, it’s on fire, as Benghazi was. It’s like, what were they doing in the Situation Room? They were looking at this live feed that was coming down from one of the drones that was overhead. Now, I was briefed by the Commander of the group that puts those drones overhead at [Unintelligible] air force base last October was a part of an overall briefing and he briefed: there was one there and there [was] one that came along on the way.
So we know there were drones. As far as we know they were unarmed. It was an unclassified briefing that he gave. He didn’t say that they were armed. I believe him that they were not armed. But at any rate, they were there, they were watching what was going on.
There is a staffer for the Secretary of State. She stated that she was there watching that entire thing that went on. From the start. Some of the other folks may not have been in that room looking at the Situation Room like they all were concerned when bin Laden got shot. But, they may not have been there yet, but, by golly, she watched the whole thing.
And let me tell you, what were they doing, watching the Weather Channel up there? I’ll tell you what the weather was in Washington, D.C. that day on September 11th. It was cloudy. 71 degrees out. I’ll tell you that the weather in Benghazi was hot and the heat was due to the fire and the sky was on fire. And the sky, the smoke was billowing. See, you can tell what the cloud depth was. It was a mess.
So, they could have had assets, just [as] was mentioned earlier, easily on the ground. The F4 that I flew over, my pilot and I flew over in combat in Southeast Asia as Wild Weasels, the only deployment that had four Wild Weasels in East Asia. It was a two-seat, two-engine [Unintelligible] work of art. I got eight more…letters that go onto that. But the F15 E is a direct descendant of that, a two -seater. The FNA 18 C and D, A, B, C, and D, are all descendants of it. You look at the hydraulics system, the electrics–the whole system’s are all the same. It’s just upgrades platforms as far as a higher G maneuverability capability goes. Those F and A 18s while weren’t they coming off a carrier on the Mediterranean? Was there a carrier there? People say there weren’t any assets within 20 hours. That would mean that there’s not a carrier out there.
Admiral Lyons and I have had the discussion about, ‘Well, what was the last time we had a permanent carrier presence in the Med?’ And that’s a good question. And why the heck don’t we have a permanent carrier presence in the Med right now with all the hot needs that we’ve got going on over there? That’s absolutely ridiculous.
One of the things that’s important, and General McInerney, who’s not here, is there’s a story in the Air Force that says that captain gets out of hand, and I’m young enough to be the equivalent of a captain to his being a Lieutenant Colonel rather, a Lieutenant General. The senior officer says, ‘What the captain really meant to say was, but since he’s left I’ll go ahead and say what I mean to say.’
The stand down doesn’t come from your local Joe bag of donuts administrative puke out of the administration. It comes from the president. He can delegate that authority from the Secretary of Defense. That Secretary of Defense can tell General Ham, AFRICOM Commander, to give the stand down order. So those are the only people who can really give that stand down order. Now, who gave the stand down order? Tyrone Woods is one of the heroes in this, along with Glen Doherty, in my book. I’ve got a book written by Glen Doherty, published after his death. And it was in honor of him.
So, Tyrone Woods, he went to the sound of the fight. And Glen Doherty joined him there along with the other folks that were there. So, there’s two medal of honor winners ago, two or three. The last medal of honor winner is not the guy I’m talking about. By the way, that particular individual dated my niece. It’s a small world sort of a thing. They didn’t get married.
A couple of medal of honor winners ago during Iraq or Afghanistan, one of the sandbox places. He got permission–he asked for permission to go in to rescue some other army people that are, that were being pinned down, and he was told “No, don’t go.” And he asked again, and he was told, “No, don’t go.” He asked again, because he said to himself, we don’t leave these guys behind. And he was told, “No, don’t go,” because it was so dangerous. He went in anyway. He said, “Screw it, I’m going.” So, it’s a thin line between a court martial and an award. There’s no doubt about that. Between a silver star and a court martial is just like that. I know that for a fact.
When the story, when the s–t hits the fan and you’ve got a– I bleeped there, right?
HANEY: They, when the stuff hits the fan, when the “S” hits the fan, they, this is what happens on programs like this. They don’t go over there and they do what they’re doing with the arms, this, that, and the other. Some people aren’t briefed in on what’s going on. There might be something more going on, like Admiral Lyons said. You don’t brief everybody, Joe bag of donuts, what’s happening. So there’s, they can be top secret, there can be special compartmental information, intelligence used. They go to a higher level, and they say ‘Okay, you’ve got to be read into this program.’ And you only have to have, you’ve got to have to have the need it down, or you don’t get it.
There were people over there in that, in Benghazi that did not have the need to know for everything that was going on over there, and that’s part of the snafoo about this whole thing. And that may have been why Ty Woods, Tyrone Woods was not told to go. They may not have read him in on that, on some part of it. That’s my belief.
When the s–t hits the fan, when the stuff hits the fan, on those sorts of things, there’s a cover story. The cover story is a lie, and we know that for a fact–this bit about a video. That’s all baloney, bullstuff as it were.
So, the second thing that happens is that they let that play out as long as they can, and obviously they let that play out two weeks. President Obama [Unintelligible] let that run out two weeks to the United Nations. And when that runs out, they do diversionary tactics. They do everything they can to divert information and divert ideas away from Benghazi. They’re going to do that, they’ll keep doing that, you just watch it.
Everything: IRS. They welcomed the IRS scandal. They welcomed the NSA scandal. They welcomed it because it took information, took the attention–what little media attention there was against, away from Benghazi. And then they say, the third thing that happens after a program like that gets compromised is, if they get too much stuff you might glean some bit of information. What they do is they start feeding you morsels.
We had some seven or eight photos sent to us through Judicial Watch. They came out and we got them, put them over out website, on the SOS website. And that’s all. We got one thing back from one of our faithful readers and it says, ‘Is that all they can come up with? Is that all the Secretary of State can come up with, is pictures of damaged vehicles at Benghazi?’
Sir, I give you the rest of my time.
ARONOFF: <laughs> Thank you.
HANEY: Thank you all very much.
UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. Roger, questions.
ARONOFF: Oh, I’m sorry.
QUESTIONER #1: My name is Mike Jennings [phonetic] with Center for Security Policy and to all those in the audience and those on the panel who’ve serve in uniform and in the intelligence community, I’d like to thank you. My great-grand–my grandfather was indeed a plus one. My other grandfather was in the South Pacific. My father, I learned as a Sophomore or Junior in High School that he actually didn’t work for the State Department but was actually worked for the Agency. I actually asked him in 1995 should I follow in your footsteps, he says ‘No, we’re no longer in the Cold World policy.’ We keep on going down this downward spiral of appeasement, of pc rules of engagement that are really costing lives of those who are serving in uniform and in the intelligence community, and we need to stop this now. And one of the things that was asked by Mike, what can we do as average citizens, on CenterforSecuritypolicy.org, if you go under—
UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Google Benghazi.
QUESTIONER #1: –on there, there’s a Benghazi take action. There’s Benghazi and you can actually go through there. The template and forms is already set. A few clicks of your mouse, about 90 seconds of your time, and it’ll actually send off letters to your two legislative officials. Whether you get a brush-aside letter, sorry, we’re trying to look into it, it’s important to us–or they actually take notice of it. And then as has also been discussed, you can also get in their face being here in D.C., whether here for a few days or you live in the area, certainly just get in their face–
QUESTIONER #1: –repeatedly.
QUESTIONER #1:Thank you.
ARONOFF: Thank you.