Hold Russia Accountable For KAL 007 Shootdown
AIM Report | By Bert Schlossberg | July 14, 2008
An explanation soon came but with it a deepening mystery with every new facet of what turned out to be a Soviet deception of such magnitude that even now it is hard to fathom.
Twenty-five
years have gone by with little thought for Congressman Larry McDonald, 22
children under the age of 12 years, and the rest of the 269 passengers and crew
of Boeing 747 Korean Airlines Flight 007. This is the aircraft shot down by the
Soviets just west of Sakhalin
Island in the
international waters of the Tatar Straits on September 1, 1983.
A first in the
documented history of air flight occurred. This became a designated crash site
at sea with a declaration of “no survivors,” but also with no bodies, body
parts or tissues, and no luggage on the surface of the sea, and none of the
above under the sea. This according to both the Soviet civilian divers in their
Izvestia interviews of 1991, and the Commander of the U.S. 7th Fleet Search operation
Admiral Walter Piotti.
Captain Mikhail
Igorevich Girs, Commander of Soviet submersible Tinro ll, declared,
“Submergence 10 October. Aircraft pieces, wing spars, pieces of aircraft skin,
wiring, and clothing. But—no people. The impression is that all of this has
been dragged here by a trawl rather than falling down from the sky…”
Diver Viyacheslav
Popov said, “I will confess that we felt great relief when we found out that
there were no bodies at the bottom. Not only no bodies; there were also no
suitcases or large bags.”
Where had all the
people gone? Where had all the luggage gone?
An explanation soon
came but with it a deepening mystery with every new facet of what turned out to
be a Soviet deception of such magnitude that even now it is hard to fathom.
With the opening of Russia’s doors in the early 90’s, former Soviet military
men, some of them stationed on the Siberian coast opposite Sakhalin, one of
them becoming a citizen of Israel, told the story of having tracked KAL 007 on
radar to a safe water landing.
Others, remaining in
the Soviet Union, added to it. Russian
boats had come alongside the jumbo jet, disembarked the passengers and taken
them to the coast. KAL 007 was pulled a short distance, sunk or allowed to
sink, and then exploded under water.
Later, stories
began to emerge from informants and from the Soviet civilian divers themselves.
Trawlers had come, and with the help of military divers, preceding the civilian
divers, the wreckage was moved and scattered to simulate a plane having come
down from above.
All this occurred while the Soviet Fleet, under the command of Admiral
Siderov, pretended to be searching for KAL 007 and its Black Box. The pretense
was successful. In the effort to convince the combined U.S., Japanese,
and South Korean search effort that they had not located and gutted the plane,
and taken the occupants of KAL 007, the Soviets confronted the allied vessels
in dangerous ways, as if the search for KAL 007 and the much vaunted Black Box
really mattered to them. For example, the Petro-pavlovsk guided missile cruiser
and a destroyer radar locked on to our vessels.
The Cover-Up
In addition, a nuclear-armed Soviet Backfire bomber circled overhead,
while the Soviets attempted to send an armed boarding party onto a Japanese
auxiliary vessel and tried to ram brave South Korean Sailors who refused to
abandon their search station. The Soviets also set false “pingers” in various
locations in order to lead the U.S.
naval vessels on a wild goose chase. The Russian ruse worked but it all began
to unravel starting at the beginning of the 1990s.
Senator Jesse
Helms, then the ranking member of the Committee on Foreign Relations, requested
the CIA to verify the reports about the Soviet attack on KAL 007 coming from Israel. These
reports were mostly verified and a draft Republican Staff Study of 1991
concluded, “KAL 007 PROB-ABLY DITCHED SUCCESS-FULLY, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN
SURVIVORS, THE SOVIETS HAVE BEEN LYING MASSIVELY, AND DIPLO-MATIC EFFORTS NEED
TO BE MADE TO RETURN THE POSSIBLE SURVIVORS.”
According to Rear Admiral Bud Nance, director under Helms for the
Minority Staff of the Committee, the CIA verified information coming from Israel that was
the basis for Senator Helms writing to Boris Yeltsin on December 10, 1991
requesting information about the location of camps of survivors. Helms
specifically requested information on the fate of Rep. Larry McDonald, all
Soviet military communications related to the shoot-down itself, radar
trackings, etc. Documents were supplied by Yeltsin but there was not a word
about survivors! Still, the Soviet deception continued to unravel.
Truth Trickles Out
On March 24, 1992,
Soviet Defense Minister Dmitri Ustinov admitted on Russian television that he
had ordered an all-out effort to retrieve the black boxes in order to “prevent
the United States from
finding them and to save the Soviet Union from
a flurry of international accusations for destroying a civilian airliner.”
In June, 1992, Yeltsin
revealed the existence of a KGB memo reporting the existence of documents
related to KAL 007.
On October 16, 1992,
Yeltsin released and Izvestia published October 1983 Top Secret Memos from KGB
head Victor Chebrikov and Defense Minister Dmitri Ustinov to General Secretary
of the Soviet Union Yuri Andropov informing him that the Black Boxes were now
in their possession and recommended that they not be released because they
could not confirm the Soviet propaganda claim that KAL 007 was on an
intelligence mission for the U.S. They also said that the Soviet fleet was
simulating a search for KAL 007 to confuse and disinform the U.S. and
allies.
In November, 1992,
Yeltsin handed over the two Black Box containers to Korean President TohTae-Woo
but not the tapes themselves.
On January 8, 1993, the tapes, which Russia had all these years denied
having retrieved, were finally handed to the International Civil Aviation
Organization of the U.N.
On September 1, 2003, Mikhail Prozumentshchikov, the Deputy Director of
the State Archives of Recent History of the Russian Federation, acknowledged
that the Soviets had searched for KAL 007 and the Black Box with the
Allied search vessels while they knew where it was all along.
The tapes that were
handed over by the Russians reveal the following astonishing facts: Not only
did KAL 007 not fall, plunge, or cartwheel out of control to its destruction in
the waters below, but it attained its pre- missile attack altitude, began a
gradual descent, and then maintained a level flight at 16,424 feet altitude for
almost five minutes until it reached the only land mass in the whole Tatar
Staits—tiny Moneron Island off Sakhalin Island—and then began a slow spiral
descent. It finally got low enough (1,000 ft.) to move off the radar screens because
of the curvature of the earth, and not because it had been destroyed in an
explosion.
The military
communications handed over by Yeltsin per the request of Helms tell the rest:
within a few minutes, missions involving rescue helicopters from Sakhalin, KGB
patrol boats and other vessels, and the civilian trawlers then in the vicinity
were ordered to the last location on Soviet radar for KAL 007—tiny Moneron
Island—within the Soviet territorial waters and precisely the area denied by
the Russians to Commander Walter Piotti in the combined allied search for the
jumbo jet.
Where Are They?
But what of the passengers and crew of KAL 007? There have been no
confirmed deaths of any of them, and to our sorrow, later reports, which cry
for evaluation and action by our government, caused grave concerns and
heartache for any who have known and loved them.
It was reported
that Larry McDonald was taken to Lubyanka Central KGB prison for interrogation,
then to Leforto prison, also in Moscow, then to Suchanova “dacha” where he was
interrogated under the influence of drugs, then to Karaganda transit prison in
Kazakhstan, and then to Temir Tau prison, also in Kazakhstan. There is some
evidence that Noelle Ann Grenfell (age 5 at the time of the shootdown) was placed
in a medical technical secondary school in Khabarovsk at the age of 12 after
being separated from her younger sister Stacy. And there are other disturbing
reports.
Where is the brave senator or congressman who will fight for these
people, because of their plight, or for Larry McDonald, because he is a
colleague? Why is there no outrage over the fact that the U.S. was so
tricked, despised and mocked?
Where are the
citizens of America
demanding that the U.S.
Government bring home these unfortunate people to a land once theirs?
*Mr.
Schlossberg is the director of the International Committee for the Rescue of
KAL 007 Survivors, Inc. http://www.rescue007.org. His wife’s father and cousin were
passengers aboard KAL 007.
THE SCANDAL
THE MEDIA WON’T TOUCH
By Cliff Kincaid
Last summer
Accuracy in Media published two blockbuster stories about the much-publicized
case of Major Jill Metzger, who claimed she was abducted and brutalized but
somehow escaped from her captors while on a deployment to a U.S. military base in Kyrgyzstan in September of 2006.
Metzger was an attractive blonde, 34-year-old newlywed and two-time Air Force
Marathon winner. But no hard evidence of her sensational claims ever turned up
and other local sources suggested the abduction story was designed to conceal
the procurement of an abortion.
The major, sometimes
described as “the Air Force’s top female athlete in marathon running,” was on
the fast-track to more promotions and glory in the military before she went
“missing” and put her career in jeopardy.
Meanwhile, she returned to
the U.S. and spent a year “on ice” at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia, where
Metzger did little work and was insulated from contact with other service
members by the top brass. “We were ordered not to talk to her,” one
sergeant told the website http://www.militarycorruption.com. She was then “retired”
and now draws the equivalent of a military pension worth nearly $3,000 tax-free
per month.
It is
widely believed that Metzger, a feminist icon, received preferential treatment.
Her father is a retired Air Force colonel and her young husband, a captain, is
a member of the dreaded OSI (Office of Special Investigations).
Air Force Scandal
Retired U.S. Army
Major Glenn MacDonald, editor-in-chief of http://www.militarycorruption.com,
commented, “She had only 12 years of active duty service and was no way near
eligible for a retirement pension. Now she gets the equivalent of one because
the top brass seem to be protecting her. Why? What does she know that
could compromise some top generals?”
Now that the Air Force’s top two officials have resigned in a case
involving the handling of nuclear weapons and material, there may be an
opportunity for Defense Secretary Robert Gates to get to the bottom of the
Metzger scandal. The two Air Force officials forced to resign were Air Force
Secretary Michael Wynne and Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley. But other
top officials may go as well, and one or more may be involved in possible
wrongdoing in the Metzger case.
Setting the record straight and providing the complete
truth are not for the purpose of making Metzger’s life any more miserable than
it already is. Whatever happened, she went through personal trauma. The issue
is why she was protected and then retired on a “disability” pension, supposedly
because of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), when veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan who have suffered
terrible life-threatening injuries have to fight the system for even a small
percentage of the benefits to which they are entitled.
By many accounts, the handling of the case has hurt morale in the Armed
Forces.
The Background
The story of Metzger’s
disappearance was widely covered in the media, with CBS News reporting that the
Kyrgyzstan Interior Ministry said Metzger and another U.S.
servicewoman were recorded on a security camera entering the TsUM department
store in central Bishkek. The cameras, however, showed Metzger leaving her
companion just three minutes later.
Three days later, media outlets reported a remarkable tale of a heroic
escape by Metzger from her captors. Metzger told the Kyrgyz police she had been
abducted by three young men and a woman in a minibus and held in a rural area
30 miles from Bishkek. Metzger told Kyrgyz police chief Kemilbek Kiyazov that
someone put a hard object and a note in her back pocket, saying it was an
explosive. The note also included detailed instructions about where to go and
what to do.
The Real Story
Kiyazov said the major reported that she was met by three men and a
woman who put her into a vehicle, took her to a house and placed her in a dark
room. Metzger reportedly said that she managed to escape after an abductor
brought her food and she struck him.
However, local media reported that Metzger was
actually seeking an abortion. A television station provided details, even
naming the medical facility that performs the procedure. According to this
version of the story, Metzger had an extramarital affair and planned to have
the abortion and return to the base the same day. But the abortion went badly
and she had to stay at the medical facility for an extended length of time.
That’s when she realized that she had to come up with a cover story explaining
where she was.
If it were true that
Metzger made up the abduction story and in fact had an abortion, she could have
violated the following regulations: disobeying an order because she didn’t stay
with her group in the store, knowing it was forbidden to wander off; making a
false official statement; conduct unbecoming an officer; adultery; and
fraternization.
Instead, she was
retired on July 2, 2007, on a “disability” pension.
“It is
outrageous that we have wounded and genuinely disabled veterans coming
home from the wars in Iraq
and Afghanistan
who don’t begin to get a 100 percent ‘disability’ pension for PTSD that Jill Metzger
received after just 12 years of service,” MacDonald said.
He added, “We can’t
prove she lied and that her so-called condition is just a way for her to be
paid off and taken care of, but we do know that if the top brass participated
in a cover-up which included pension fraud, then courts-martial should be
convened and the truth finally told.”
MacDonald told us at the
time that the favorable treatment accorded Metzger was an outrage that reflects
political correctness and fear of feminism in the highest reaches of the
Pentagon. But Defense Secretary Gates can now begin to correct this problem.
Media Protect Feminist
“We have heard from
hundreds of Air Force personnel who are disgusted by the failure of their
military leaders to tell them what really happened in the Metzger case,”
MacDonald added. “They feel a double-standard is in effect and that Metzger is
the last person to deserve a lucrative ‘disability’ pension. Morale has
been adversely affected by this suspicious silence, and only now, with the
firing of the much-disliked Gen. Moseley, is there any hope that things will
get better soon.”
As Accuracy in Media
has documented, however, the major media have shied away from the case,
apparently because it involved a feminist military officer and top Air Force
officials had discouraged the media from probing deeper.
“Despite the failure of the mainstream media to follow up on this
story, and the ‘hear-no-evil, see-no-evil’ stance of establishment publications
like Air Force Times, we promise you MilitaryCorruption.com will stay with this
case until we obtain information that proves the ‘abduction’ story is either
true or a despicable deception and lie. That is why we have offered
$100,000 to obtain the proof in the form of documents needed to settle this
case once and for all. It is very unfortunate that we have to go to that
length to get to the bottom of this case,” MacDonald said.
“One would hope that
some senator or congressman would dare to initiate an investigation and demand
the truth. But even the appearance of offending the feminists and females
in the military scares most politicians into silence. We will not be
intimidated,” MacDonald vowed.
If the story about
escaping her abductors is true, MacDonald notes, the Air Force should award her
a high decoration. After all, she claims to have escaped and run barefoot for
30 miles to freedom. But there has been no medal and no official
statement. Silence and stonewall have greeted requests for the results of
official investigations.
Searching For Justice
And if she were
abducted, MacDonald and others asked, why did she eventually surface with her
hair cut short and dyed black? What’s more, she “escaped” wearing her wedding
ring on her finger after three days of abduction when real thugs would have
been expected to have taken it off.
MacDonald, whose
popular site gets over two million hits a month worldwide, says the recent
firings of top Air Force leaders may inadvertently serve as a means to undo the
“cover-up” the major feels has been in place to protect a pampered female
officer who many suspect was less than truthful about her so-called
“abduction.”
He said it is time the
Air Force came clean: “We hope this isn’t a case of pension fraud and
favoritism facilitated by top generals. However, if military regulations
were violated and crimes committed here, those responsible should be
court-martialed no matter what their rank or who they are.”
DEAR FELLOW MEDIA WATCHDOG July-B 2008
BERT SCHLOSSBERG, AUTHOR OF OUR LEAD ARTICLE, HAS PAID
TRIBUTE to Senator Jesse Helms, who died on July 4, Independence Day. In a
follow-up note, after he submitted this article, Bert Schlossberg reiterated
the point that Senator Helms actively pursued the reports of a safe landing for
KAL 007 and a rescue and imprisonment of passengers and crew, and that an
explosive draft report was issued suggesting the possibility of survivors. “It
didn’t end there,” Schlossberg pointed out. “Helms pursued it, writing a letter
on Dec. 10, 1991, to Boris Yeltsin, requesting, urging, ‘hinting’ at the
possible benefits of a forthright Russian Federation compliance, asking for real
time military communications and radar trackings, for an accounting of the
people and crew of KAL 007, how many were alive, where they were kept, location
of camps, the fate of passenger and sitting Congressman Larry McDonald, a
representative from Georgia. This was personal. Helms had traveled on KAL 015
15 minutes behind KAL 007, had stopped at Anchorage
airport, as did Larry, had gotten off KAL 015. Larry did not. Reports tell us
that Helms had contemplated changing to KAL 007 to be with Larry but decided
against it. That near miss must have stayed with him as the outcome of the
flight became apparent—as KAL 015 arrived at Seoul Airport
and KAL 007 did not.” Schlossberg says that Helms must have been constantly
reminded of this twist of fate—as Helms attended the 30th Year celebration of
the U.S. Mutual Defense Treaty, and Rep. McDonald did not, as the reports from
Israel of survivors would come to his office eight years later, as Yeltsin
would comply with all the requests that Helms had made of him—excepting the
fate of the passengers and crew, and especially, the sought-after information
about Rep. Larry McDonald.
WE ARE GETTING THIS AIM REPORT, INCLUDING THE ARTICLE ON
KAL 007, INTO YOUR hands in advance of the anniversary, so that your can sign
and send the enclosed postcards and they can arrive and have an impact. This is
one way we can influence coverage of the anniversary. We don’t claim to have
all of the answers, and we don’t come to any firm conclusions about what
necessarily happened. Some of the information is in dispute. But Bert
Schlossberg has raised too many legitimate questions that need answers. AIM
founder Reed Irvine believed these were issues that needed to be pursued, and
he wrote several AIM Reports and columns on this matter. We must continue the
probing. We are asking you to send postcards to Senator Christopher Bond, vice
chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Rep. Peter Hoesktra, ranking
member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
SENATOR HELMS WAS A HERO IN SO MANY WAYS. AS CHAIRMAN OF
THE SENATE FOREIGN Relations Committee, he championed U.S.
sovereignty and opposed the fleecing of American taxpayers through what is
called “foreign aid.” Back in 1995, his
report on the “Foreign Aid Reduction Act” declared that, “For more than 50
years, Americans have handed out $450,000,000,000 in foreign aid (not adjusted
for inflation)—far more than any other nation in the world.” That is $450
billion. But the report went on to say, “Since foreign aid has been financed by
borrowing, and interest payments have also been financed by borrowing, the
actual cost of foreign aid to the U.S. according to a Congressional
Research Service study, is nearly $2 trillion dollars (not adjusting for
inflation).” That’s $2 trillion. Senator Barack Obama’s Global Poverty Act
would commit the U.S.
to additional foreign aid spending of $845 billion through compliance with the
U.N.’s Millennium Development Goals. Helms was a strong foe of proposals for a
global tax to benefit the United Nations. And it looks like the U.S.
Government, in order to raise the kind of money envisioned in the Obama bill,
would have to acquiese to a global tax of some kind. The Obama bill may be
coming up at any time.
IT WAS SENATOR HELMS WHO CONFRONTED CLINTON STATE
DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL Strobe Talbott about his relationship with Victor Louis, a
Soviet “journalist” who was actually a Soviet KGB intelligence agent. Talbott
had been a young correspondent for Time magazine at the time he developed a relationship
with Louis. Helms confronted Talbott with a 1986 State Department publication
revealing that Louis had been identified as a KGB agent by KGB defectors and
had been used by the Soviets to spread disinformation. Talbott said he still
didn’t know for sure that Louis was a KGB agent. As we noted in a recent AIM
Report, a Russian defector revealed that Talbott developed into a trusted
contact of the Russian intelligence service during his time as a Clinton official. It’s too
bad that the full Senate didn’t listen to Helms’ warnings about Talbott. As you
know, our media have generally ignored the dramatic revelations about Talbott’s
relationship with the Russian intelligence service, probably because reporters
consider him an esteemed member of the journalism establishment. Talbott now
runs the liberal Brookings Institution and could have a role in an Obama
Administration.
HELMS
WAS ONE OF ONLY THREE SENATORS TO VOTE AGAINST CLINTON’S NOMINATION of former
ACLU official Ruth Bader Ginsburg to the U.S. Supreme Court. Senator John
McCain voted for her confirmation. Ginsburg has consistently demonstrated
herself to be a solid member of the court’s liberal wing. But Senator Helms got
fooled on the nomination of David Souter to the court, voting to confirm this
extreme liberal after being assured by members of the first Bush Administration
that he was a conservative.
SOMEONE
WHO HAD IT RIGHT ON SOUTER WAS HOWARD PHILLIPS, CHAIRMAN OF THE Conservative
Caucus, who testified against his nomination before the Senate Judiciary
Committee. Phillips noted that Souter had a pro-abortion record that
disqualified him from serving on the court. He also drew attention to Souter’s
senior thesis at Harvard in which he said he was a legal positivist and
rejected all higher law theories, such as those spelled out in our Declaration
of Independence. Phillips opposed the Ginsburg nomination as well.
OUR SECOND ARTICLE
EXAMINES ANOTHER COVER-UP—WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CASE OF Air Force Major Jill
Metzger. The handling of the case stinks to high heaven. We are asking you to
send the other postcard to Defense Secretary Robert Gates, asking him to get to
the bottom of it. It is wrong for Metzger to pull down $3,000 a month for a
mysterious ailment based on something that probably did not occur, while our
veterans have to fight the bureaucracy for their benefits.
WE ARE CONTINUING TO
PRESS THE MEDIA TO REPORT ON BARACK OBAMA’S RELATION-ship with Communist Frank
Marshall Davis. In the next AIM Report, I will report in detail on how some on
the “progressive” left are openly talking about it. The controversy will
hopefully get more attention when two books on Obama come out shortly. One is
by Jerry Corsi and the other is by David Freddoso. I was in contact with both
authors, providing them information about the subject. I anticipate they will
use and credit our work. The books will be another demonstration of how our
work eventually makes an impact. It is a struggle and it takes time, just like
getting the facts about KAL 007. We can only have an impact with supporters who
value and financially underwrite our work. We need your help to continue. Can
we count on your ongoing support? Thank you.
For
Accuracy in Media,
Editor
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Good Point. Israel is as DANGEROUS as any country to the U.S. In regards to KAL 007, The government only spars with those who won’t fight back. Like U.S. Citizens. Too little, Too late…
And also part of the private international bankers, also known as the Fed, that establishes monetary policy for the rest of us millions...now a worldwide crackup boom.
The US Dollar is destructing,and when it collapses,it will be followed by outright closure and severe losses for anything denominated in this ‘money’ -banks, insurance companies, stock market...all of em!
We should by now realize in the wake of KAL, USS LIBERTY, and many other ‘events’ that we’ve been had.
Blood will run in the streets in the aftermath of this...a time to have real assets on hand in the form of gold and silver.
Even real estate is not a safe haven...it’s easily identifiable, and will be taxed or taken from you. What will you do?
I was delighted to find the comments on the Liberty, because it was also my first thought. That the liberty has not been forgotten, I find gratifying, as I have relatives proudly serving in the USNavy. The unconscionable attack on the Liberty and our participation (LBJ) in the ensuing cover-up indicate that Israel feels free to do anything to the US it wants, that because of the Jewish vote in the US, that we are not only helpless to complain, but are willing to show a total disregard for our own servicemen in the service of foreign propaganda. For the Liberty and other reasons--spying on us, continuing to build settlements in Palestinian areas, the Israeli government and all to many of her citizens have long regarded the US as a nation they can use and abuse us with complete impunity. It proves that while we are a loyal ally, in an alliance that has cost this nation more than we should have been forced to pay, that Israel is friends with nobody. Unfortuantely, also, the Palestinians and others in the Arab world long ago lost their moral high ground by their inhuman terrorism. The Palestinians, especially, from the beginning allowed themselves to used as the “cannon fodder” of the Arab dicatorships rather than dedicating themselves to building a strong nation based on their own self-interest. I support Israel, but not unconditionally; partly because of the Liberty, and also, as implied here, I resent the high level of support which is so often against our national interest. Further, as long as they continue to lie about the Liberty and show no remorse for their attack, they are a second class nation! (And in case I did not make myself clear, I am still angry every time I think of the Liberty!)
Hello CTR,
YOu hit the nail on the head...absolutely they are without morals or any shread of integrity. Butchers of the finest, they are about as imperialistic as their downline, if you get my drift.
They have attacked the arab neighbors, killing innocent people..they don’t care.
Clearly they destroyed the Liberty, and probably a lot more that mostly gets blamed on muslin terrorists. Or they simply say that they were defending themselves...in the case of the Liberty, it was an outright, unprovoked, viscious attack...to stand idly by this crap is really hard to figure out unless you realize that the administration at the time and any that followed were getting their orders from them.
Hang on, its going to be a very uneasy time in this nation, and around the world.
The USS Liberty was attacked through miscommunication and the fog of war, not malice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
While it angers me, so do other “blue-on-blue” and “friendly fire” incidents. Government embarrassment should be no reason to attempt cover-ups nor should these in charge lie about such things. You’d think after the Liberty incident that governments would have learned that lesson, but as the Pat Tillman incident illustrates, politicians play CYA instead of doing the right thing.
The Liberty incident has nothing to do with KAL 007, though. I’d like to see more facts on 007.
Yes, that’s what they call it, just like whenever they openly attack and kill..they call it defensive.
Miscommunication? Well, the Liberty WAS flying the US Flag - in very clear saling and flying conditions - And even state of the art intelligence at that time had identified her presence as well as the perps who destroyed her and the sailors aboard it.
The Liberty and the KAL have a great deal to do with one another in the greater scheme of the perps that are responsible for both.
“...The Liberty and the KAL have a great deal to do with one another in the greater scheme of the perps that are responsible for both.”
You’re saying: “The Joooos shot down KAL 007!”
Brilliant.
Not at all, but from the same rotten source when you uncover the manure around it.
Someone actually remembers and asks… “An what of the USS Liberty?”
A Criminal Element on the Face of This Earth that has yet to be held accountable for So Many False Flag attacks not only upon Semantic Jews and America but the Entire World.
OK, do we also hold feet to the fire for the shoot down of TWA 800?
I’m just asking…
Perps of these kinds of ‘accidents’, or under the ‘fog of war’ as one contributor put it, certainly need to be positively identified, and then they must answer to the rest of the world,
held accountable, and then dealt with.
Astute people have come to the conclusion that we are not getting honest accounts of ‘incidents’ like those previously mentioned. What we get from most of the media are distortions and in many cases, outright lies and manipulation of fact.
Thankfully, AIM is here to not only provide a forum on topics of interest but truthful reporting from our side.
Perhaps most important, is the need to realize that the Sovereignty of this United States is at risk. This warning is supported by the daily destruction of the US Dollar, printed by a private corporation of international bankers, that is taking this nation to its demise.
The “perps” in the Liberty incident were clearly identified down to the individual pilots and torpedo boat crews. Now someone wants to identify the “perp” in TWA 800 8 days after the FAA announces the requirement to install devices to prevent the type of fuel tank explosions that downed that plane!
Subscribing to and repeating the Internet conspiracy de jour rather than bothering to read original sources is both intellectually lazy and dishonest. The “hidden hand” behind most problems and “incidents” is people’s ignorance, stupidity, irresponsibility, and laziness.
“… daily destruction of the US Dollar, printed by a private corporation of international bankers ...”
Right gripe, wrong “perp” Dennis. The “perps” are the politicians who strong-arm bankers into doing stupid #### like “no-money-down adjustable rate option payment” mortgages to people on welfare who can’t afford rents much less mortgages, and the bankers who bribe the politicians with threats of their bank being “too big to fail” in order to get taxpayer bailouts.
The only defense an individual has is keeping himself informed with FACTS not rumors and making rational, logical judgments.
For an example of the kind of strong-arming and collusion and backroom dealing I referred to above, check this article:
John.
I loved your take on this matter...agree, get rid of ALL congressional members who do not uphold the Constitution and that has a valid history behind it of their disregard of Law.
Yes, every one of the despots named in the article that you referenced should be included in this purge - sadly, maybe 95% of the population here don’t recognize what’s going on; after all, if FoxNews says it, it must be true.
It is clear that when you read Article I, Sec 8, that Congress has the authority to ‘coin’ money, not turn it over to someone else to print fiat currency.
All the very best!
Dennis
John Galt-
It is to laugh. A fuel tank explosion? Please. If that’s your take on TWA 800, then of the two of us I’m certainly NOT the one guilty of intellectual laziness.
john galt-
The FAA announced that they are requiring devices to be installed to prevent fuel tank explosions like the one that supposedly downed TWA 800? Did I read correctly that this happened 8 days ago? Do you not find that INSANE?
Boeing and the FTSB determined TWA 800 was downed by a fuel tank explosion several years ago. The FTSB preserves the wreckage in one of its training facilities because it provides a great example for training investigators.
Mythbusters (or some other such TV show) demonstrated the explosion mechanism using an actual center fuel tank and replicated conditions (partially filled, overheated from sitting on the runway for an extended period prior to takeoff, etc.). It seems to me that the facts support the conclusion, not the conspiracy theories.
Boeing issued “advisories” to install devices that replace oxygen in partially-full fuel tanks with nitrogen soon after the conclusion of the FTSB investigation. The FAA issued the requirement 8 days ago.
Yes, I find it insane that it takes the FAA several years to issue safety regulations that have been recommended by the plane manufacturers long ago.
Yes, I find it insane that there are so many federal agencies who have “skin in the game” on regulating public transportation safety.
This is a prime mechanism for political pandering, dithering, and incompetence to endanger the lives of citizens, and an eloquent demonstration of the fact that big government is bad government.
“It seems to me that the facts support the conclusion, not the conspiracy theories.”
Fine. Your opinion is, obviously, valid.
However, in my opinion, to conclude that this crash was caused by an explosion in the center fuel tank requires TOTALLY OVERLOOKING so many salient facts as to render it impossible to believe. Jim Sanders and Kristina Borgesson have, separately, written extensively and convincingly on the subject.
I couldn’t agree more with your last paragraph; its conclusion is spot-on!
Probe deeper and bring back the passengers of KAL 007. On the case of Metzger, can the government please give the disabled veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan what is due them? They would need it more.
Why believe Russia if the evidence says otherwise? Russia should be held accountable.
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How about the destruction of materiel and life aboard the USS Liberty - perpetrated by Israel?
They have NEVER been called on this gross and blatant crime.
Clearly, its in the best interest of the Potentates of the Potomac that these thugs will never be held accountable.