Barack Obama’s Global Tax Proposal
AIM Report | By Jonathon Moseley | August 14, 2008
If the contents of legislation could be judged by the title dreamed up by spinmeisters, anything named “Global Poverty Act” would involve noble goals of alleviating poverty.
Barack
Obama’s $65 billion-a-year “Global Tax” proposal is creating a firestorm on the
Internet, sparked by articles by Cliff Kincaid of Accuracy in Media in
February. In response, left-wing supporters of Barack Obama are feverishly
striving to defuse the controversy, attempting to discredit, dismiss, or
diminish the story first revealed by AIM’s Kincaid.
In what may be his
only achievement in national politics, Senator Obama introduced S. 2433, the “Global
Poverty Act,” in 2007. Then, Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) rammed Obama’s “Global
Poverty Act” through his committee as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee—without any hearings. S. 2433 is expected to reach the full Senate
floor for debate any day. A similar bill already passed the U.S. House of
Representatives, making final passage a dangerous possibility. The pressure on
President Bush to sign it would be intense, especially from Obama’s supporters
in the media.
If the contents of legislation could be judged by the title dreamed up
by spinmeisters, anything named “Global Poverty Act” would involve noble goals
of alleviating poverty. However, we were taught from childhood not to judge a
book by its cover. We must also not judge legislation by its title.
The Hidden Agenda
Obama’s Global Poverty
Act is in fact a stunning and sweeping step toward socialism and one-world
government. When we look beyond the seductive title, and read the actual
contents, we discover that Obama and Biden are setting America up for
imposition of a global tax, controlled by the United Nations. For the first
time, the U.S.
could be forced to adopt a global tax at the behest of an international body.
The planned amount is 0.7% of America’s
Gross National Product (GNP) or $65 billion per year, in addition to America’s
current foreign aid budget.
Obama’s legislative
record in this regard is so damaging that the left-wing blogosphere has gone
into over-drive to muddy the waters. The left-wing “Media Matters” has gone on
the attack, and others have taken up the chorus. When Senator Biden’s opponent
for election, Christine O’Donnell, revealed Biden’s promotion of Obama’s Global
Tax on Fox News, Media Matters attacked within minutes.
Rather than addressing
the substance of Kincaid’s revelations, Obama’s defenders invent a straw man to
knock down instead. Media Matters argues that S. 2433 does not directly impose
any tax. But Kincaid never said that it did. As Kincaid revealed, S. 2433 is
clearly intended to engineer, or lay the groundwork for, a global tax. Kincaid
never suggested it would happen in a single step. Yet S. 2433 can have no other
long-range purpose.
As Kincaid explained,
the bill does not attach a dollar figure—and does not need to—because that is
contained in the 2002 so-called “Monterrey Consensus,” which grew out of the
2000 Millennium Declaration, which is cited in the bill. Understanding this
critical fact is a simple matter of reading the appropriate U.N. documents. The
sponsors could count on the major media not to do so.
The Millennium
Declaration, which was issued in 2000, specifically called for a “Financing for
Development” conference, which was held in 2002 in Monterrey, Mexico,
and produced the “Monterrey Consensus.” This document committed nations to
spending 0.7 percent of Gross National Product (GNP) on official development
assistance (ODA), otherwise known as foreign aid. It says, specifically, that
“We recognize that a substantial increase in ODA and other resources will
be required if developing countries are to achieve the internationally agreed
upon development goals and objectives, including those contained in the
Millennium Declaration.” It goes on to call for “concrete efforts towards the
target of 0.7 percent” of GNP as ODA and proposes “innovative sources of
finance” to pay for the increased foreign aid, a reference to global taxes.
The Price Tag
Jeffrey Sachs, who ran
the U.N.’s “Millennium Project,” which monitors compliance with and progress
toward these goals, says that the U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP in increased
foreign-aid spending would add $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already
spends. “We are short by $65 billion each year, which may seem like a vast sum,
but it represents just 0.5% of our GNP,” says Sachs.
As Kincaid, using
Sachs’s figures, calculates it, over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the
U.N.’s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of
2015, when the U.S.
is expected to meet the Millennium Development Goals, this amounts to $845
billion. And the only way to raise that kind of money, Sachs himself wrote, is
through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels.
Obama claims that S.
2433 merely declares U.S.
policy to fight poverty. But if that were true, then S. 2433 does nothing at
all. The U.S.
has already been fighting poverty around the world for many decades. Starting
with the Marshall Plan after World War II, and accelerated by John F. Kennedy’s
idealism, Americans have spent gigantic fortunes on ending poverty globally,
for at least 60 years. Does Obama really not know what the U.S. has
already been doing for decades on the world stage? Why would Obama propose what
the U.S.A.
has already been doing without him?
S. 2433 is clearly
setting the stage for a global tax, by backing the U.S. into a corner. Once the U.S. commits
through international diplomacy to the goal of contributing 0.7% of its GNP and
the Congress enforces this goal through Obama’s legislation, the U.S is on the
road to accepting the global tax to pay for it.
This is the critical
point: S. 2433 mandates that the president actually implement these goals and
not merely discuss them. A future president— possibly a liberal like Obama
himself— would be obligated to actually “make it happen.” Obama’s bill does not
just declare policy. It mandates actual implementation of the $65
billion-a-year “contribution” to foreign aid by the next president. If the U.S.
has already agreed to this through Congress, the final step in international
negotiations over implementation of a global tax will become difficult, if not
impossible, to resist.
No Hearings
Disputes about the real meaning of Obama’s legislation might have been
avoided if Joe Biden hadn’t slipped the bill through without any hearings. If
the goal were innocent, Obama and Biden would have wanted maximum
publicity—even campaign “photo ops.” Instead, they quietly slid the bill
through unnoticed, in a hurry. Why?
Of course, the United States
is already the most generous nation on Earth. S. 2433 is not needed to declare U.S. foreign
policy to fight poverty. Helping poor countries is why the U.S. government priced U.S.
manufacturers and exports out of the market with a strong dollar policy and
encouraged imports of products from poor nations.
Unfortunately, projects to
develop Latin America, for example, turned out
to be like plowing the sea. The cause of poverty was not lack of U.S. funding,
but their socialist governments and unjust legal systems. We must export the
real causes of our success, not just send money. Certainly, the United Nations
will be part of the problem in this, not part of the solution. But Obama seems
to trust the United Nations.
OBAMA PLAYS
REAGAN ON WORLD STAGE
An
interesting contribution to Barack Obama’s campaign shows up in the records of
the Federal Election Commission. Casey Kauffman of Al-Jazeera, who lists his
occupation as a journalist in Doha,
gave the Democratic candidate $500 in February.
Al-Jazeera, which most
U.S.-based cable and satellite providers have rejected for airing because of
its terrorist links and anti-American programming, probably won’t be playing
much of a role in the American presidential campaign. But the contribution is
indicative of the bias that infects the media here and around the world.
The depth of the
deception that is now underway can be understood by analyzing the significance
of Obama’s “I love America” anti-communist foreign policy speech in Berlin,
Germany, in view of the fact that the candidate and his media acolytes continue
to conceal the central role that a Stalinist Communist by the name of Frank
Marshall Davis played in his upbringing.
In Berlin,
Obama almost sounded like Ronald Reagan, who became a strong anti-communist by
fighting them in Hollywood.
“And on the twenty-fourth of June, 1948, the Communists chose to blockade the
western part of the city,” Obama noted. “They cut off food and supplies to more
than two million Germans in an effort to extinguish the last flame of freedom
in Berlin.
The size of our forces was no match for the much larger Soviet Army. And yet
retreat would have allowed Communism to march across Europe.
Where the last war had ended, another World War could have easily begun. All
that stood in the way was Berlin.
And that’s when the airlift began—when the largest and most unlikely rescue in
history brought food and hope to the people of this city.”
Flip-Flop
Obama sounded like a
veteran anti-communist. But in his record has he ever shown hostility to
communism? His remarks were completely at variance with what we know about him.
Obama closely associated with communists for much of his life and career. We’ve
heard about some of them, including communist terrorists Bill Ayers and
Bernardine Dohrn. But one communist that few in the media want to talk about is
Frank Marshall Davis, his mentor and father-figure. Davis
actually wrote a poem in honor of the Soviet Red Army that Obama denounced in Berlin.
The “Red Army” poem
goes beyond hoping for the communists to beat the Nazis in World War II and
hails the Soviet revolution. It says:
“Show the marveling multitudes
Americans, British,
all your allied brothers
How strong you are
How great you are
How your young tree of
new unity
Planted twenty-five
years ago
Bears today the golden
fruit of victory!”
Obama refers to Davis as just “Frank” in
his 1995 book, Dreams From My Father, but does note that he was a
contemporary of black authors Richard Wright and Langston Hughes. What Obama
doesn’t mention is that “Frank” stayed with the Communist Party USA (CPUSA)
while Hughes and Wright broke from it. In fact, Davis was so extreme that he accused Wright
of “treason” for exposing the CPUSA.
Davis’s influence over Obama is demonstrated by the fact
that Obama left Davis in Hawaii, attended socialist conferences and
picked Marxist professors as his friends in college, went to Reverend Jeremiah
Wright’s church with his children, and then launched his political career in
the home of Ayers and Dohrn.
Dohrn’s Bloody Hands
While Ayers gets most
of the attention, it is Dohrn who is more important. She refuses to deny
credible reports that she planted a bomb that killed a San Francisco policeman. The whole story is
detailed in our last AIM Report. But is anybody in the media willing to ask
Obama about her terrorist activities?
While Ayers and
Dohrn and their comrades took instructions and advice from Hanoi
and Havana and even Cuban and Soviet
intelligence operatives, Davis
was even more notorious.
He not only belonged
to the CPUSA when it functioned as an apologist for Stalin, but Davis took the Stalinist
line when Stalin made common cause with Hitler. The Germans at Obama’s speech
might be interested in this aspect of the story. So might an American audience.
We already knew Davis was a Stalinist.
NAACP member Edward Berman testified that “comrade Davis”
tried to take over meetings of the organization in Hawaii “for the purpose of converting it
into a front for the Stalinist line.”
But veteran
anti-communist researcher and author Herbert Romerstein has now brought to our
attention even more damaging information. He points out that Davis was one of the signers of a statement
issued by the League of American Writers in June of 1941 during the Soviet-Nazi
Pact.
It said in part, “We
have warned that America
must be defended not by involvement in this war, or by steps toward
dictatorship, or by pursuing a course of imperialist expansion, but by
preserving peace and expanding democracy on the economic, political and
cultural levels. Today, we must ask whether the present policy of the
administration and the program of big business are not leading us toward war
and fascism in the name of resistance to war and fascism.”
In other words, as
long as the Nazis and the Soviets were allies, Davis
didn’t want the U.S.
to go to war against the Nazis.
The statement asked a
number of questions, including, “How best as writers can we resist the drive
toward war and reaction which threatens our democratic culture?” The statement
is printed on page 973 of Appendix IX of the Special Committee of Un-American
Activities in 1944.
Romerstein comments
that “This is clear support of the Soviet-Nazi Pact by Davis
a short time before June 22, 1941, when Germany
attacked the Soviet Union and the Communist
Party line changed from peace to war.”
The point bears
repeating: once the Soviets came under attack, the CPUSA line, which was
adopted by party member Davis, turned into one supporting war on the Nazis.
This is the man that
Obama’s white grandfather selected as the future candidate’s role model and
mentor.
And yet in Berlin, Obama declared himself on the side of those who
opposed Davis.
“When you, the German people, tore down that wall—a wall that divided East and
West; freedom and tyranny; fear and hope—walls came tumbling down around the
world,” he said.
Davis was an apologist for that tyranny. He read his
“poems” to a teenage Obama and advised him that his white grandmother had a
right to fear black people and that black people had a reason to hate white
people, which certainly helps explain why Obama would eventually end up in
Wright’s church.
Has Obama truly
broken with the forces of international communism, which had so much influence
over him? If the media don’t ask the question, the increasing numbers of those
who know about Davis, Wright, Ayers, Dohrn and other questionable Obama links
and associations will see the media coverage for what the McCain campaign
labels it—a love affair with Obama. In short, the pro-Obama media bias may
backfire in a big way. There is evidence it already is.
Professor Paul Kengor,
author of a book about Reagan’s anti-communism, examined the work that Accuracy
in Media has done on the Obama-Davis relationship and concludes that the
evidence must not be ignored. Yet liberals and “progressives” in the press and
elsewhere ignore, distort or downplay it. Some reporters, like Dana Milbank of
the Washington Post, have treated it as a laughing matter.
Giving Davis
A Pass
Kengor wonders what
the press would think “of, say, a John McCain mentor who had toed the line for
Hitler? I can tell you that I, as a conservative Republican, would be pretty
darned disappointed and would demand some answers. I would not turn it into a
joke. And if McCain did not absolutely, convincingly repudiate it, I absolutely
would not vote for him.”
But when it comes to Obama,
Kengor notes that “The end result is that the bad guys on the communist
far-left, such as the likes of Frank Marshall Davis, continue to get a pass
long after they’ve departed this world, as will those who consider them
mentors. These were extreme leftists who hurt liberalism—who hurt some of the
dearest liberal causes. Davis,
in death, is protected, his dirty work covered up, by a press who must now
protect their anointed one.”
Obama, of course,
is the anointed one, for the U.S.
press as well as reporters for the Arab government-funded Al-Jazeera. Now we
witness the latest phase of the love affair as Obama, with the help of the
media, portrays himself as an anti-communist in the Reagan mode who truly
understands the battle between Soviet tyranny and human freedom and came down
on the right side. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The good news is that
a Rasmussen poll finds that many people aren’t buying it. It found that 49
percent of voters think that reporters are trying to help Obama win in
November.
The Findings
A July 21 release from
the firm declared that “The idea that reporters are trying to help Obama win in
November has grown by five percentage points over the past month. The latest
Rasmussen Reports telephone survey, taken just before the new controversy
involving the New York Times erupted, found that 49% of voters believe most
reporters will try to help the Democrat with their coverage, up from 44% a
month ago. Just 14% believe most reporters will try to help McCain win, little
changed from 13% a month ago. Just one voter in four (24%) believes that most
reporters will try to offer unbiased coverage.”
It also found that
45 percent say that most reporters would hide information if it hurt the
candidate they wanted to win.
What could that
information be? Could it have something to do with Frank Marshall Davis? Or
Bernardine Dohrn? Are there more red skeletons in the closet?
DEAR FELLOW MEDIA WATCHDOG August-B 2008
IN A
STRANGE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY AFFECT BARACK OBAMA’S presidential run, supporters
of Obama’s childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, are openly debating the
nature and depth of Davis’s
commitment to the Communist Party and his relationship with Obama. This unusual
debate, which is taking place on Obama’s official website, raises the question
once again as to why Obama has not been asked by the major media about this
relationship. Davis was identified as a
Communist Party member by various investigative committees and acknowledged his
party membership in a private letter obtained by John Edgar Tidwell, the editor
of books by Davis.
Clearly, there is an effort underway to sanitize or play down the Obama-Davis
relationship and try to intimidate the major media into not covering it. But it
is unusual, to say the least, that some of this effort is occurring on the
official Obama website. The reaction, which makes the controversy even more
newsworthy and significant, suggests that the truth is seeping out through
other means, mostly in the alternative media, and increasing the pressure at
least on Obama’s supporters to deal with the matter.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE
STILL FACING RESISTANCE TO TELLING THE DAVIS STORY FROM some “conservative”
outlets, such as CNSNews.com. I provided Fred Lucas, a reporter for
CNSNews.com, some documents in advance about Davis
and the communist networks in Hawaii and Chicago that influenced
Obama. He interviewed me at length more than two months ago and seemed anxious
to tell the story. But nothing has appeared. I understand the story was killed
by a top editor at the news service. I don’t know exactly who spiked it, but I
suggest you send the enclosed postcard to CNSNews.com editor Terrence Jeffrey
and inquire as to what happened to the Frank Marshall Davis story.
OFFICIAL CONGRESSIONAL
HEARINGS AND INVESTIGATIONS CONFIRM DAVIS’S HISTORY of membership and
involvement with the CPUSA and its fronts, and his activities as a Stalinist.
As late as 1956, Davis
was before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee and refusing to deny his
CPUSA membership. He also refused to deny that he was a member of the faculty
of the communist Abraham Lincoln School
in Chicago.
This is significant because, as researcher Herbert Romerstein notes, the
Commission on Subversive Activities of the Legislature of the Territory of
Hawaii reported on February 28, 1955, that “About November 1950, the communist
party in Hawaii was reorganized on an underground basis…In the new
organization, party groups were to consist of not more than three members.
Groups were identified by numbers (1-10) rather than by names, as formerly.” Among
those identified as having been members of the underground groups were Frank
Marshall Davis and his wife Helen C. Davis.
WHAT’S
ALSO INTERESTING ABOUT THE DAVIS APPEARANCE BEFORE THE SENATE IS THE fact that
his lawyer was Harriet Bouslog, identified as a CPUSA member in the 1959 House
Committee on Un-American Activities report, “Communist Legal Subversion: The
Role of the Communist Lawyer.” Bouslog was identified as a CPUSA member by two
witnesses, both former communists. Bouslog, it turns out, was the star of a
2004 public television program in Hawaii
that completely ignored her documented CPUSA membership and described her as a
‘true advocate and defender of American democratic values.” It noted that her
long-time friend and “mentor” was Harry Bridges, president of the International
Longshoreman’s and Warehouseman’s Union (ILWU), but didn’t mention that Bridges
was a secret CPUSA member.
ONE WHOSE NAME SHOWS UP IN THE CREDITS AS A CONTRIBUTOR OF SOME SORT IS CHRIS Conybeare,
who also served as the producer/writer of a 1988 program about Davis that ignored his CPUSA membership and
activities. The video was released by the Center for Labor Education &
Research, University
of Hawaii - West Oahu
(CLEAR). So it is not surprising that Conybeare, who also functions as the
“secretary general” of something called the World Association of Press
Councils, has attached his name to a press release from the “Honolulu Media
Council” denouncing Accuracy in Media and Bill Steigerwald of the Pittsburgh
Tribune-Review for bringing to light the facts about Davis being a communist
and Obama’s mentor. “We find that there is no substance to these claims,” this
group of would-be censors declared. Ignoring all of the evidence against Davis,
including his service on behalf of the CPUSA and its manipulation of black
Americans for the communist and Stalinist cause, it announced that Davis was a
true “advocate for civil rights in the US.” But there was one truthful bit of
information in the release. Davis
“had many friends, including Barack Obama’s grandfather,” it noted. BINGO. And
that grandfather, Stanley Dunham, picked Davis
as Obama’s mentor. Davis, who died in 1987, became Obama’s black mentor during
the years 1975-1979 primarily because Obama’s black father had deserted the
family and the young Obama needed a father-figure and role model. Dunham made a
bad decision. It’s too bad Obama didn’t describe it as such in his book Dreams
From My Father.
PLEASE
DROP THE ENCLOSED POSTCARD TO THE HONOLULU MEDIA COUNCIL AND ASK that they
discontinue their censorship campaign against Accuracy in Media and tell the
truth about Frank Marshall Davis and the communist network in Hawaii.
WHICH
BRINGS US BACK TO SQUARE ONE: WHEN WILL THE MEDIA ASK OBAMA ABOUT THE
Obama/Davis relationship? And why did he conceal the identity of “Frank” in his
1995 book, Dreams From My Father? I think we are beginning to understand
the reasons for this cover-up. Not only would the identification of “Frank” as
Frank Marshall Davis expose communist influence on a young Obama, it might also
expose those who collaborated with him and tried to whitewash his communist
activities. Davis, it should be noted, was just
one member of a communist network which also included secret CPUSA members Paul
Robeson and labor leader Harry Bridges, who was so deep in CPUSA activities
that Moscow
accepted and designated him as a member of the CPUSA Central Committee. Davis was close friends
with both of them.
SOME OF THE COMMENTS IN
THESE “NOTES” HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IN A MUCH LONGER “Special Report” that we
posted on the AIM website. If you would like a printed copy, please send us the
other postcard and we will provide that to you. The piece examines the
accelerating attack on AIM by supporters of Frank Marshall Davis in Hawaii and elsewhere. We
knew we would take heat for exposing the communist network that influenced the
possible next president of the United
States. The reason we undertook this
assignment was because our major media have so utterly failed to subject Obama
to the scrutiny he deserves. The pro-Obama media bias is overwhelming. We are not
for or against him; we are in favor of educational information being provided in the interests
of having an informed public. Times like these mean that we have to go back to
our supporters and ask for your support so that we can continue to stand up to
the assault. Can you help us at this time? Will you provide a strong vote of
confidence in the work that we are doing?
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When are you Idiots going to realize, It Doesn’t Matter WHO wins the Election. The New World Order will get one of their Plans implemented. McCain has been given one script and Obama a different one. Either way THEY WIN and America/World Loses.
Dear John:
Thanks for that. The $65 billion figure came from Jeffrey Sachs and the underlying Millennium process. I didn’t calculate it myself. It might have made an interesting extra point to check Sachs’ math and point out that he is either wrong or dissembling. But on the other hand space is limited. But your point is interesting on many levels… these people want to re-engineer our economy without understanding it.
U.S. Liberals = FASCISTS, in the literal sense of the word. If you disagree with them, they’ll “silence” you, cancel committee meetings, impose draconian restrictions of free speech. Take your money, tax your property to the point of virtual confiscation (WHEN YOU CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO PAY THE TAX BILL)and/or condemn it so that it can be “developed.” Finally, they’ll refuse medical care to an infant that survives an abortion, and in the end, take away your feeding tube, your oxygen, and say it was the “humane” thing to do. WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO GET YOUR PITCH FORKS ? ! ! !
I haven’t run numbers for the totals through 2015, but the $845B probably didn’t account for US GDP growth either. I would assume US GDP growth will slow somewhat through 2010 (perhaps going negative in 2009), but come back up to around the 2.5% - 3.5% it’s been for the last 6 years or so.
I can’t find enough people willing to lay down the remote control, cell phone, or mouse to take note of America crumbling under their feet.
I am 74: post Depression, pre-WWII. I knew a better America, and find it so heart-breaking to see what it has become.
I always figured if America was lost, “defeated” it would be from a superior military force. I never had a slim glimmer of thought that it would rot to the core from within. But it has.
My heart goes out to the families who have lost their loved ones in Iraq, and the to the severely maimed veterans of this “war.” I support them. I actively do, because while THEY were “defending OUR rights, freedoms,” so few at home were picking up the phone or pen to call their Sen./Rep., trying to “stand by them” in this “fight” to defend THEIR freedoms/rights, also.
No. I don’t the the average American IS smarter than a 5th grader, and too lazy to learn.
Personally, I lay at the feet of the common media the coming demise of this nation, and hope to see Pelosi and a few others wearing a bhurka.
Good bye, America. You will go down in history as just another short-lived Democracy. God gave us a wonderful nation, and it seems America has now flipped Him the finger. Truly, He is full of mercy, but God will NOT be mocked, and this nation has surely done THAT.
Is all HE has to do is to turn His face from us, and we’ll do it to ourselves. May He somehow
forgive us who trust in Him.
Well, well, well, and well…Here we have a muslim heading for the white house with over half of America so happy. bowing like he is a Messiah. Too much homework for someone to say he is NOT. How many honest reports does people have to have and then of course The G-d of Israel tells us too. Now we have so many of the 545 in gov to control all our money and take our liberty, freedom, and turn our backs on real Alli’s, say Georgia, while our money aids the enemy, trains and nation builds. War has weakened us and we no long own America. How dare anyone sell a inch of it. Homelss Vets, looking for medical. homes foreclosers jobs overseas illigals getting free everything and now citizenship too while the dead beat churches support that lawlessness too. People in America getting more desperate and hungry while this jerk like satan coming as a angel of light as G-d warned, and not even a citizen of the U.S. 12 billion in debt that Daubi and China and shared with Islam owns our debt. And now we have the U.S.Britian and France doing nothing while Russia threatens Georgia and now POland again..and they do nothing , just like in Oct of 1938???? I say shame on them and one day because we did not stop commies doing this, and knowing many are on our soil in U.S. The last big war will be soon, because we let wimps run us. NO one wants to admit jihad is here too. Is it fear or are they all a part of it so the ten commie Islamic can rule the world and make us all guppie’s Proverbs 22:7, where G-d said the rich would rule the poor…And in the meantime, many do know for one what is going on and talking and sharing information won’t cut it..If America doesn’t stand up and remember we are a REPUBLIC and kick these devils our of our gov and put in some who will stand on our constitution we are finished. France , Britian and the U.S. should have put a dam stop before anyone died in Georgia and condeming Russia on TV they don’t care !!! sending aid for something that could have been stopped day one..Russia needs a bomb on all its connections that make them able to do this, we all know where and what. and why did Bush or Clinton not hit Iran first yrs ago..?? they are shite muslims, and he goes into Iraq, takes down the sunni gov and replaces it with Irans tribes. HOw stupid do we have to be. How many dots before the connection can be done. Talking heads on Fox, Cnn and all the rest lie like dogs and Islam owns some of them, even lots of Fox..and in the meantime trashing Israel and betraying Her too. Now the climax is coming,,as the enemy wants Israel to give up HIS HOLY HILL…and G-d promises to destroy them and all the naions who try as HE SAID this is somehting that HE will not let happen..For those who don’t see why nations error..then look to see what the ememy is doing to G-d’s chosen..He won’t be mocked…The real shaking is going to start…while most just talked or went back to sleep..soon they will find out using Israel always as the scrape goat, believing all the lies, you too will find out what real death and destruction is..and like G-d said, I will sent the enemy like locaust and hey we are inviting them over our borders and aiding and helping our destruction come fasters…By the way…G-d calls them heathen. an tells us to remove the evil men from us till we can see their arm no more. Has nothing to do with love your neighbor as this is war,,take a look back in history even in scripture on how G-d helped the Jews kill thousands..there is nothing new under the sun and what was will be. for you all who think this world can have peace..forget it. and G-d is coming with the sword to make war as the LION of Judea…but then why would you bleive that..your preachers who will get double punishment for not teaching all the scripture has not told you..but many will be destroyed from lack of knowlege and many will find out they will never replace Israel in G-d’s heart and that iwll be where HE sets up His Everlasting KINGDOM, which some of you may not have a part..Genesis 12:3
John Galt
It is my understanding that the $65 billion dollar figure comes from what would be *added to what we’re already paying in foreign aid* (not including the generous donations made by private American citizens when natural disasters occur around the world; America is the most generous country in the world in this respect).
Two rules I always follow: If an issue involves the UN or Jimmy Carter…RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!
While most may not remember what happened 200 years ago, anybody stating an opinion here will (or should) remember the UN’s “Oil for Food” scandal, which followed the pattern: corruption by administrators of some “helpful” program (including Kofi Annan’s son; check!), most of the aid goes to the dictators (here, Saddam, who made billions) in charge or food given to their militaries (in N Korea, the military gets fed, while the peasants eat grass and tree bark, with reports of cannabalism; this is part of the pattern, although not part of the Oil for Food scam, ie, typical), while the people who really need help get peanuts (or executions, limbs hacked off, raped, etc).
The UN serves no useful purpose, but has a high cost. The US occasionally refuses to ante up without some results, but the UN remains a social club (and spy base) for anti-American countries, with the countries drop-dead guilty of ignoring human rights for their citizens sitting on the UN’s “Human Rights Committee.”
The difference between truth and fiction: fiction must make sense.
Neither Russia nor France have any business being on the Security Council: Russia is the country we (as well as Georgia) need to be secured from, where France’s “experience” in Security wasn’t apparent in the 20th Century. The French continued to put Jews on Germany-bound trains after being liberated by a US-led force.
Perhaps Obama would meet with Putin with no pre-conditions over their recent oil-based invasion of Georgia.
Russia’s stated reason for invading Georgia is preciseley the reason Hitler gave for invading Czechoslovakia. (No, I couldn’t spell that, but Google is great for a quick spell check if you’re even close.) The latter was what resulted in Neville Chameberlain’s “peace in our time” disaster. (Chamberlain died about a year later, but not before admitting that Sir Winston had been right all along.)
Fred Miles, #2, is on the money!
And, if the House and Senate approve Obama’s bill, then our battle is with Congress! And, if Congress is so out of touch with the majority of American citizens that they would pass something like this - - then, as Miles says, there’s no hope!
Arguing over the differences between Obama and McCain is like arguing over whether you’d rather be run over by an 18-wheeler or a freight train.
”... Two rules I always follow: If an issue involves the UN or Jimmy Carter…RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! ...”
LOL! Exactly!
Jimmuh should stick to building furniture and helping build houses, even though some of his furniture is as lame as his politics. At least his furniture will limit the damage to those who chose to use it.
Here we go again - sigh! The discussion hasn’t even ended from Cliff Kincaid’s last essay of about three or four days ago, and now we start again - 
Though the anti’s of Jonathon Moseley’s article have not weighted in yet - rest assured the bombardment will start soon. He and AIM are correct though, there has certainly been a concerted effort to silence all of this, as I have never seen the comments on any AIM article continue for so long before this. In fact, as AIM releases each article on the association of Osamabama with Davis, the comments section gets longer and longer - I expect that this one will actually surpass Cliff’s article of a few days ago AND that will be an accomplishment as that one is STILL going.
Even Fox News has steered clear of this, just like MSM media whom we already know are the Obama cheerleaders. In Fact, that would make for an excellent cartoon? Cartoonists? here is your chance, show a group of cheering cheerleaders each labelled CBS, NBC, ABC, NY Times, LA Times, etc, with the gimme an O - Oh, gimme a S - Es, gimme an AMABAMA. Sadly, I am beginning to think that Fox needs to be included in this - maybe as a midget cheerleader? That is growing?
Thank you for the info, Mr Moseley, that the House had already passed Obama’s “We Are America’s Traitors Act” - I must have missed that, as I thought it was just in the Senate at present. I would greatly appreciate having a list of those in the House that were supporters and voted for it - perhaps? by State and Congressional District? Or at least give me the House Act # and I can trace it - I guess I was sleeping through that - pays to stay awake as America’s enemies sneek their treason through the Congress, I guess!
Keep getting the word out Mr Moseley and Mr Kincaid, and maybe by election day America WILL be informed about the treason of Obama becoming President - you are gaining, but yes it is slow, so many are trying to bury it - but Mr Kincaid’s last article did make most of the other sites I view daily, and if we can get it going on Fox with a splash - it may actually make it out to Americans before November - and I can say this - if it does - Obama is toast - even among Democrats - because I still believe that most Democrats in America are ignorant of how FAR to the left their party really is - in comparison to Republicans of the right who certainly know how far to the left the Republican leadership is becoming.
The next few days should be interesting as I sit back reading the comments to this article - and ENTERTAINING - better than Hannity and that idiot Colmes any day
“Fred Miles”—It most certainly DOES MATTER who gets elected! If you actually believe that the likes of a John McCain would be naive enough to be tricked into promoting a New World Order agenda, or that he would be a willfull participant in the same, you sir have a serious gap in your ability to recognize a man who lives “Duty, Honor, Country”, and who epitomizes devoted American Patriotism! Comments like yours insult the man John McCain, and strike at the core of everything he stands for, and all that he represents today and into the future! Your comment is baseless and brainless.
Sorry Alex, tis you who need to do some homework.
McCain and myself are Vietnam Veterans. As such, when he has slammed Veterans, he is open to scrutinity/criticism by Veterans. So unless you are a Vietnam Veteran as well… suggest you enlist!
This is nothing new to liberals! Ushure in a global poverty tax on Americans and send it where? Why to those who we as liberals choose to, that’s who! The best thing you can give to a poor person is a job, not a handout. Get this message out there about Barrack Obama and vote for John McCain! He has never once in 26 YEARS ever let ANY earmark slide through and has even vetoed good bills just because earmarks and pork barrel spending measures were attached to them! I know, I live in Arizona.
If you don’t want to be tricked into a new world agenda then no matter who you elect you must let them know how you feel! These people in Congress are not mind readers! We MUST keep on top of them and remember that the power is with us, the people! Get involved and stay involved! Write letters, send emails, phone do whatever you can to make your voice heard and keep at it and don’t stop!
“http://www.youtube.com/v/pKFKGrmsBDk&hl=en&fs=1”
No thanks, Fred. I don’t need to enlist. I did my time, both enlisted and commissioned. I am a retired Army officer and a disabled veteran. As for Senator McCain and his agenda, we can “agree to disagree”. I’m not sure how your logic, regarding his Viet Nam experience, makes him even REMOTELY Obama-like in his politics and anything New World Order. Think it and preach it all you want. I respectfully disagree and will continue to contend that a vote for McCain is FAR LESS DANGEROUS than a vote for a Socialist disguised (poorly, I might add) as a Democrat.
No one candidate will satisfy the needs of everyone, but like I said above, your going to have to keep on them to get your voice counted! McCain is a penny pinching tightwad and that is one of his best points. He has never waivered on this, not once ever regardless of the Obama propaganda machine.
The video in nthe link from my sign on name is one of the best I have seen yet, please click on it (mrbenz7) or paste the link into your browser from my above post!
Call congress at 1-202-224-3121 and you can access your states representatives from there.
Tell them “NO” on S 2433, the globval poverty tax bill and “NO” on any bill even somewhat resembling the fairness doctrine! This will be a limitation on freedom of speech!
You should tell your congressman to vote yes on HR 2905, the Broadcaster Freedom Act which would put a stop to ANY re-implemantation of the Fairness Doctrine! This House Resolutuion is sponsored by Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi refuses to let it come to the floor for a vote!
Never before have I ever seen a Nation so at the point of destruction from liberal lunacy! It we don’t fight back and hard, we deserve whatever we get! There is even a clause in the Global Poverty Tax bill that would OUTLAW guns if we are stupid enough to let it slide!
You want to see real tax and spend government? If Obama is elected we will have one party rule, as the Democratic Party will control the Executive and Legislative branches, and when Obama appoints his Supreme Court justices (2 or 3) and they breeze thru the hearings, the Judicial branch as well. A vote for McCain, as distasteful as it may seem to some, is a vote for what the Founding Fathers intended, specifically, Checks and Balances. My philosophy is simple; Democratic Congress? Vote Republican for President. Republican Congress? Vote Democratic for President. Plus, never never never vote for the incumbent! That is true term limitations and will curtail the corruption of an entrenched bureaucracy. God Bless America.
A vote for McCain my be distasteful for some, but that can be a good thing! Since he is the Maverick and does not vote strictly along party lines, then as a conservative he has veto power. This is what I see as an example of checks and balances of power.
The Nomination of liberal Supreme Court justices is what worries me more than anything else! Obama has only passed one bill in the Senate and yet he has only voted “present” 143 times in his term!
That isnt representing your constituents or fighting for what’ you believe in, it’s protecting your position for the sake of your own lofty goals and ambitions!
Barack Obamas $65 billion-a-year Global Tax proposal that they want to call a contribution is bunk…it’s not a contribution when it’s ripped out of our pockets.
That is where it’s coming from.. our hard earned money .. he plans to hand out to any country in the name of poverty..I’m a firm believer in “charity starts at home”. I am all for helping those in need.. but I would like a say in where that help goes…. is it going to the lady down the road that is working and trying to feed her 3 kids.. or is it going to the one across the street that refuses to work and sits home all day smoking pot? I’m really not into providing pot for the terminally lazy.
There is plenty of poverty right here at home.. that should be addressed first before he starts saving he World!
Another thing.. if the United Nations is “for it” you can bet it’s not in the best interest of you and I…No one should trust the United Nations!
To; mrbenz76…..my point exactly!! The real danger is a Supreme Court that has a liberal majority, as the Heller case affirming our 2nd Amendment rights passed by a slim 5-4 vote, and can just as easily be overturned by an “Obama” court. The next President will propbably appoint at least 2 if not 3 justices, to say nothing of nominating circuit and appeals court judges. With a rubber-stamp Democratic House and Senate, welcome to the Union of American Socialist Republics (UASR). Remember, Rome was also for a time a Republic, but was taken over by the tyranny of Caeserianism. Fortis cadere, cadere non potest !!
Yes, absolutely right that charity begins at home! How about the people in Iowa that feed up who have to recover from those floods? I’d rather help them than someone who sits around all day smoking pot!
You bet I’m a conservative, but I’ll help those who need it get back on their feet, not those who don’t believe in a hard work ethic!
For those of us who have posted here and want to converse more, can I suggest the Conservatives forum?
Here is the address you can put into your browser! We MUST get together and I believe this forum is a great place to do so!
http://www.conservativesforum.com/cgi-bin/conservatives-forum/YaBB.pl
Become a member if your not already so we can share ideas and strategies as well as get to know each other!
I’m mrbenz7 there! I hope to see you all there!
Alex, In many ways.. precisely the Point. Both Obama and McCain have esencially sold themselves to the forces of AIPAC and The Corporate.
Remember what The Oath you took said? “Protect,Defend and Preserve The Constitution of The United States of America”...
Neither McCain or Obama have that in Their Agenda. Let alone people like Gonzales,Alito, Pelosi,Feinstein, Kerry,Kennedy,Murdoch,Savage,O’Reilly,Limbaugh or “Chevron contracts in Burma” Rice, Even Forget about Colin “Kept his ear to the Politics” Powell. They ALL are out for the Dollar at any/everyones expense upto and including ones Death. There is only One person
who has said it, “If it’s Not in The Constitution, NO”. Ron Paul is the only one who is even remotely close to being worthy of the Office of the President.
BTW, Remember when G.W. did his stunt before The Washington Press Club dinner? You know the ” Nope no WMDs here”, That was the Most Denigrating insult ever to the Men and Women who Ever Served in Uniform and especially to those who are in Iraq and Afghanistan today.
Salute.
Fred, I don’t believe that neither Obama or McCain don’t have the interest of the country at heart, not after tonight upon hearing both of these men speak at the SaddleBack Church when questioned by Pastor Rick Warren, the author of “The Purpose Driven Life”.
Senator McCain pointed out how the decision to not get let out of prison early and before most of the rest of the soldiers who were there longer than him has affected the decisions he made from then on in his life and just what personal sacrifice really means and really is.
Obama gave me no such feelings about putting the needs of the country ahead of his goals and desires for the Nation to the same intent that John McCain did. And let’s not forget that it is Businesses, Corporations and Entreprenuers that will deliver on the problems of new energies and the technologies of tomorrow that we will all benefit from.
For those who didn’t see this interview tonight, I hope it is repeated on Fox News or any other channel. It is worth your time to stop what you are doing and note the vast difference between these two!
No matter what gets proposed by a U.S. Rep or Senator - - it still takes a majority of the House and Senate to approve it and a President to sign it, as well as the Supreme Court to approve its consitutionality. That’s a long, L-O-N-G way beyond any individual “proposing” a certain action.
If the Democrats get a majority in the House and Senate, you can be they will ram this proposal down our throats for their own lofty goals faster than you or I can spit! This proposal even has a clause to ban guns! Do you want to klnow how to enslave the populace? Force them into compliance and take away their means to fight it too!
Communism and socialism should be defeated, one liberal at a time!
Whichever candidate will win, the debate and bickering on what they will or will not do will never stop.
Fred, Fred, Fred!!! Are you STILL spouting that meaningless rhetoric? I thought you finally came around to the REALITY that few things in this world are LESS similar than a Socialist (Obama) and a follower of Democracy—whether a Democrat, Republican, or Independent) like McCain. To suggest or outright state that an Obama Administration would be no different than a McCain Administration is pure ignorance. Obama is a Socialist disguised as a Democrat. McCain is patriotic champion for Democracy. They are closer in skin color than they are in political belief!
Alex….. McCain is a Patriotic champion for Democracy? I presume that you have failed as both Enlisted and Officer endeavors. When has the Pleage of Alligance ever said…. “And to the Democracy for which it stands”.... Tis “Republic for which it stands”....
Both O Bama AND McCain have Pleaged their alligance to Israel and Not America. They Both are Trotsky Communists and are Not Fit to lead this Nation any further than The Out House.
Fred—Apart from the fact that my military career has NOTHING to do with my (or your or anyone’s) ability to assess politics, I had a highly successful military career both as an enlisted soldier, and as an OSC-commissioned officer. I was promoted NINE TIMES during my career. You?
I hope your career was successful too, and I hope you now make a living as something other than a political pundit. If not, you ought to consider reenlistment.
Thank you mrbenz7! I have enjoyed your posts very much. You speak sensibly and intelligently on a topic of paramount importance to us all. This country needs a lot less passionate partisianship and a lot more people like you—people willing to discuss the issues based upon FACT rather than emotion. I share your grave concern about what is clearly a well-planned attempt to inject socialism into America. How anyone could conclude otherwise ... after doing their homework on Senator Obama ... is beyond me. The only accolade I can give Obama is that his has a mastery of saying nothing with eloquence. Our young people like his charisma, but their youth (and ignorance of history) prevents them from knowing that charisma can be dangerous. Hilter and Castro had charisma, and look what happened to their “sheep”. Keep up your GREAT posts! (Before Fred corrects me, that was a typo in my previous post. It is OCS, not OSC. If not for dyslexia, maybe I would have been promoted a few more times!) LOL
Thanks Alex! Sometimes it gets hard not be be depressed about these things. This new generation of sheep scare me, but we’ll just keep
Defeating socialism and communism…1 liberal at a time!
janniej, I totally agree with you. Poverty is here. Start at your home before others.
It’s good to see that at least some people are talking about this legislation. Obama and Biden have been sneaking it through for months.
What the article makes no mention of….at least as far as I could see, is the civilian military that the legislation calls for. It’s an army, composed of civilians, governed by the federal government, strong as our national military.
You have to ask yourself what it would be formed for. It’s a good guess that it will be needed to confiscate small arms…which is also called for in the legislation. If you are interested, please do a search on S.2433. You will be amazed at what is happening while our backs are turned.
There is no question but that Obama’s America will not be the America our young men and women are sacrificing their lives for.
This is one of the best links I’ve found yet to offer a real look into Barrack Obama! HGe has lied so many times to gun owners that we cannot take him seriously anymore. Put this link into your browser if it is inactive! It’s worth a read!
S.2433 wants a civillian force as strong as the military. what could this force possibly be used for? How about confiscating small arms from law abiding citizens?
Why not go and get the NRA browser? It’s free and you can show your support for all gun owners everywhere!
Here’s a no holds barred article on the real Barrack Obama
What does everyone think of McCain now that Sarah Palin is on the ticket? I love her, she is great in my book1
I also loved seeing Jordan Sparks, the one who won American idle who is from right here in Mesa Arizona, defend those in Hollywood who are wearing a “Promise ring”. She closed with” Maybe some people out there find that there are better things in life than being a tramp! I don’t believe she said it, but it took guts!
A bit of common sense from Thomas Paine!
http://www.youtube.com/v/pKFKGrmsBDk&hl=en&fs=1
I’m trying to figure out just how a McCain and an Obama presidency will be different. In the big things in this country.
Certainly, if Obama is after the guns, that’s a big minus.
Yes, his civilian army sounds frightening - but then Blackwater is frightening as well.
McCain won’t be a globalist? - then why is he for amnesty and protecting illegal immigration.
It is a big part of diluting this country and creating such a burden on the working people of this country. It is a big component of bringing us into more and more trade deals that blurr our sovereignty.
If we don’t fix illegal immigration, having a country won’t be a concern. If and when he or Obama gives them the right to vote, legally, they can control quite a number of the votes in Washington.
No man/woman who believes that illegal immigration is a good thing, an OK thing, even an inevitable thing is truly thinking about the future of this country and it’s people.
Because John McCain was willing to admit he was wrong on what he thought the people really wanted when he was phoned, faxed and sent letters about the Illegal immigrant issue! Obama will do whatever he wants and has proved it by voting “present” to avoid and evade any controversial bill while protecting his own position!
Barack Obama has still refused to even consider that ILLEGAL ALIENS are driving down wages, smuggling humans and drugs into our communities and our schools and that we have a problem! He has been totally innaccessible when it comes to even listening to the people when we point out the problems we are having in out own communities!
Barack Obama has proposed a global poverty tax, S.2433 on American Households that would amount to $8500.00 or .7% of our GDP! It also contains a provision to remove the rights of the people to own firearms, something that the UN has been pushing for in America by influencing our elections! This money would then be given freely to brutal dictators like Hugo Chaves and oversight would be by the UN, the same UN where Kofi Annon stole millions of dollars for his own benefit and no one elses and still refueses to pay any of the money back even after being caught red handed!
If anyone has any doubts about the real Barack Obama they should read “The Case Against Barack Obama” by David Freddosso!
Which alternative do you want to deal with? One who will tell us all what to do and remove our ability to fight back like Barack Obama or one you may not always agree with who will listen to us and remember who he is serving like John McCain??
No he isn’t! I don’t agree with his proposal about paying a fine and submitting to a background check as a condition of staying here, but it’s better than anything else so far except deportation.
We changed his mind about Amnesty after letters and phone calls from us convinced him this is a National Security issue! The point is that John McCain is accessible to the needs of the people and Barack Obama is not.
If we elect our officials and expect them to take care of us when they never hear from us then who is to blame when they listen only to the lobbyists? These people are not mind readers and if we just stay stuck in our tracks in front of our TV’s and play with our toys, what right do we have to expect service from those we employ?
If you don’t like what is going on in your community and don’t feel as if you matter to those you elected to do a job, then run for office yourself! I’m going to and I’ll be on the ballot in my community!
I’m not arguing for Obama, I’ve been frightened of him since the first time I saw him.
No, illegal immigration is not something I would try to defend McCain on. They ALL, from the President on down, know the problems, they know the burden, they know the damage that has been caused, and they ALL know the wishes of the people. Yet, so far how many have stepped up to the plate and actually started doing something??
No, John McCain is in step with Obama on illegal immigration.
How about trade?
The war - McCain is pro war - that bothers me.
Outsourcing jobs - how does McCain stand on that? I don’t know, truly.
How about imports and the sweet trade deals? I haven’t heard him on that one either.
There are many things we need to fix in this country - but first we need to fix the things that are going to keep us afloat and free.
Those are - illegal immigration, outsourcing, trade deals where we come off a distant second place, and the war and involvement in foreign countries’ business.
Then goodness the financial situation -
Then we can get down to the problems of healthcare, education, energy, crime, drugs, etc.
Many of those will be minimized if we enforce our laws and the illegals return home.
No, John McCaijn is not in step with Obama in Illegal immigration! Obama completely opposes any kind of fines or background checks on illegals. He has said outright that this would treat them like second class citizens! What he has toally forgotten is that these people are not citizens at all!
McCain is not pro war, but he believes like I do that we cannot pull out until the goal has been achieved and I completely agree. I have relatives in the military! Has everyone already forgotten seeing the World Trade Center buildings come down and forgotten that we are at war whether we like it or not?
Or that it has been Liberal appeasement that caused the problems we are facing now?
Barack Obama’s stand if you can call it that on doubling the capitol gains tax when our economy has been corrupted by greed will only push us into another grear depression when those who have investments, hedge funds, retirement accounts and 401K IRA’s pull their money out so they don’t lose their equity to the government!
The result will be the biggest stock market crash this century! John McCain has it right again, keep taxes low, create a commission like the 9/11 commission to find out where regulation and oversight will prevent this from happening again because we are in a never been seen before ball game now! Barack Obama says we know how we got here? Really? Top economists that has made Nation’s economies their lifes work don’t have a complete answer yet!
John McCain has consistently oppos4ed those sweet trade deals that our trading partners take advantage os us on while we continue to pay the price for. I know, Ive seen him in action. I live here in Arizona and have seen him in the local legislature!
I don’t always like John McCain and where he stands, but he is accessible! That is still the biggest point well made for me! He will listen to you and respond back to you. I know, I have talked to him several times and send him letters often, not just when he does something I don’t like, but when he does something I approve of!
I have no doubt that his running mate, Sarah Palin hasn’t forgotten where she came from and will be telling him where the people stand on a regular basis. She has made it clear she will remain accessible to the people she has been elected to serve!
mrbenz
For what office are you running? What is your platform? Why did you decide to run?
On the subject of illegal immigration, the people in WAshington have been getting an earful about this for decades. Truly they have. It may be fairly new to some, but it is old hat to a goodly number of us in this country.
Also, the operative word here is ‘illegal’. That means against the law.
What is it about ‘illegal’ they don’t understand? What exactly do we need to tell them?
Then maybe I’m giving McCain more credit than you are in some instances. I happen to think he is moderately intelligent, knows the laws concerning coming to this country, paying taxes, not stealing ID from others, not driving without a license, etc. Somehow I think he knows those. I don’t have to remind him.
If you are saying, which I believe is true, that he would take money from corporations to continue to allow our laws to be broken and monies taken from taxpayers to pay for illegals upkeep, then that sort of proves, he’s not a very honorable man.
I do not want the government to ‘take care of’ me. I want them to make laws that are beneficial to this country and it’s people. Don’t work to circumvent those laws because it means more money from backers. I expect them to demand those laws be enforced.
I do wish you good luck in your race.
Should we have to remind our lawmakers what our laws are and that they should be enforced
We are talking the invasion into this country of from 20-50 million foreigners, an open border over which anything and everything can - and does come.
What exactly do you think they do not know about this?
So we can’t deport them - that is false. If we do not have the ability to put out of this country people who do not belong here, then we are no longer a country.
But, according to politicians, we can’t deport them, but we can count them, fine them, and do a background check (remember it would have to go back into a foreign country)?
Whose going to pay for all that?
So what are we going to do with the ones who refuse to pay the fines? Deport them, or ignore them?
What are we going to do with those who do not pass a background check? Deport them or ignore them?
Mr. McCain is not the first politician to use other words in lieu of amnesty - but amnesty by any other name is still amnesty.
I decided to run for a local government office within my county. I don’t believe that John McCain would take money from corporations to make those in enforcement look the other way so we can import more illegals, in fact he opposes our own Prop 202 which would weaken E-Verify.
John McCain has supported local propositions to enable ICE to cooperate with local law enforcement right here in Phoenix. We are ground zero and just recently it became important to everyone why this measure is so important. We had another American citizen killed when an armed group of thugs dressed up as police stormed a local drug dealers house and fired off 100 rounds of ammunition within a school zone.
Yes, I would rather see illegals deported at all costs, but I feel the same way about liberals!
My first choice for Republican Presidential Candidate would have been Colin Powell.
That’s exciting.
I love the Phoenix area. My daughter lived there for about 6 years. We spent a wonderful 9 months there living in one of those ‘Old Fogey Fortresses’ in Mesa. We were ‘sunbirds’, came in April and left in Dec.
Again, good luck.
I do believe that John McCain would take money to look the other way.
How else do you explain that he has not demanded enforcement of the laws that would fix the problems?
If he had demanded laws be enforced when the problem first began, we wouldn’t be debating or needing E-verify.
If we simply prosecuted employers, dropped illegals from social services, etc, etc., they would go home. E-verify wouldn’t even need to be discussed.
They come to make money. They didn’t come to become citizens. They cannot make money if employers are afraid to hire them. They cannot keep as much money if they are refused social welfare - per the law.
When we were in Phoenix, we needed a local bank, as my husband needed to have some checks directly deposited to his account.
We decided to use a large bank that had branches in Texas and one with which we already had had an account for many years. I am not sure why, but the banking laws did not allow us to simply use our account from the Texas bank, although we could make payments, and deposit into our Texas account there. It was strange. So - we opened a new account. The first one we have opened in many years. My husband told them he wanted a signature card for me. Oh, no!!! I had to come in, in person, bring two ID’s, a SS and picture ID and sign in person in front of them. I declined.
Now imagine my anger when a couple of months later, I saw a large banner, in Spanish, proudly announcing they would accept the Matricula card as ID to open a checking account!!
They could and did bring up my signature with the branch in Texas, and could have made a comparison. Yet, they refused to do that. They would, however, take a document issued by a foreign government proving pretty much that the person is an illegal.
Had he, and other politicians been willing to do as they should, the travesty of the Matricula CArd would never have happened.
These problems have been apparent for 30 years now - certainly in AZ. Some states could pretend ignorance, but not the border states.
How else do you explain his trying to get amnesty by us before?
Again, John McCain is a smart man, he knows the problems, he knows the costs borne by the citizens of this country, he knows the destruction caused by illegal immigration. Anything less than demanding loud and often that our laws be enforced is aiding and abetting.
While I am not agreeing with those called liberals about much of anything, I don’t equate them to illegals.
Who were these thugs?
Constitutional Amendments that will save us from ourselves:
1. Line-Item Veto for POTUS
2. Term-Limits for every branch and every level of government
3. Federal Balanced Budget
4. ALL Campaign surpluses go to Federal Government to cover costs of protecting the candidates.
5. Banning the acceptance of lobbyist funds of any kind.
Allen,
That would certainly set us on the right path.
Now all we have to do is get those Congresscritters to agree to cut their own throats - financially speaking, of course.
You know, though, that we could enforce our own term limits, if we would just get together and do it.
The rest - we might get done - if we first do the ‘vote them all out’ scenario.
Ladytexan, while I can agree with you on may of your points, John McCain was alone at fighting Illegal Immigration for years because the public did’nt wake up untill it made media headlines1 The Biased media does not want strict immigration policy and how they report the news is like leading the public around by the nose!
These thugs in Phoenix who shot up the neighborhood and the man they killed was a citizens and a drug dealer!
But you’re not hearing about any of the great things John McCain has done because of media bias!
Here is a good example of this and if this link doesn’t work, click on my name! We wouldn’t be going through this right now if the Congress had listened to Allan Greenspan and JOHN MC CAIN!!
This is proof that the Democrats are RESPONSIBLE for the financial market collapse!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0
While I like the Term Limits idea myself because it would help us get rid of members of Congress out to Scr*w us, but it would also make us get rid of the good ones as well! I’m not for this for that reason and this is the reason I decided to run myself on a Conservative platform!
I believe in FISCAL Conservatism first and things like the homosexual marriage agenda last. We are all in trouble if we don’t get spending under control and Government spending is what is choking our economy right now!
The only way for us to get the truth out is to get involved and come to grips with the fact that news organisations like NBC/MSNBC are NOT our friend and have a heavy bias in skewing the truth!
Ladytexan, while I can agree with you on may of your points, John McCain was alone at fighting Illegal Immigration for years because the public did’nt wake up untill it made media headlines1 The Biased media does not want strict immigration policy and how they report the news is like leading the public around by the nose!
These thugs in Phoenix who shot up the neighborhood and the man they killed was a citizens and a drug dealer!
But you’re not hearing about any of the great things John McCain has done because of media bias!
Here is a good example of this and if this link doesn’t work, click on my name! We wouldn’t be going through this right now if the Congress had listened to Allan Greenspan and JOHN MC CAIN!!
This is proof that the Democrats are RESPONSIBLE for the financial market collapse!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0
mrbenz7,
I know you want to believe in John McCain, that’s OK, but he has been open border, pro illegal all along.
He has been in Washington some years, and he has been well-known and respected by the people of this country and has some clout in Washington, I’m thinking.
Now how exactly has he used those assets to fight illegal immigration? He hasn’t.
Think about it. Think about the difference in this country today, if just 5 years ago, John McCain had written his constituents, gone on TV, written editorials, made speeches on the floor, had town hall meetings - alerting his constituents and this country to the true problems of illegal immigration.
What if he had been very vocal, demanding that the federal government enforce the laws already on the books? Then what if he had chided states and cities to enforce their laws - across the board - the same laws for illegals as for citizens?
If he had given them facts and figures concerning-
The true number here
The burden on our infrastructure
The lowering of wages for others
The loss of jobs for citizens
The increased taxes to provide for them
The harm to our education system
The harm to our social services
The rise in cost of auto insurance because they don’t carry insurace
The gang problem that came with them
The drug problem that came with them
The diseases they bring
The siphoning off of monies from this country’s economy that is being sent back to Mexico
The number of criminals who cross the border to escape Mexico justice and live among us,
The rise in crime. AZ is one of the few states that I hear that discussed to any degree
If he had done that, joined with other like-minded lawmakers, influenced others - the landscape in this country today would be very, very different.
So have we heard any of that from McCain? I haven’t. All I hear is ‘a pathway’ or ‘all God’s children’ nonsense.
You can respect the man for many things, but please don’t turn a blind eye to the truth and I beg you for the good of the country - don’t try to convince people he is anything by pro-illegal.
Do you have a link to the story of the thugs. I am truly interested as I do love the Phoenix area and we still have a connection there.
Both parties are responsible for this financial debacle - and I’m thinking members of both parties benefitted from it.
Please, anyone living in AZ could see what was going on - there and Las Vegas. Those dirt dauber houses were being thrown up overnight and tagged with astromical prices, bought and sold and bought and sold by speculators. Then the mortgage companies passing our irresponsible mortgages to irresponsible people.
It wasn’t hard for anyone to see the truth - and both parties knew what was happening.
mrbenz7,
I’m wondering who are the ‘good’ ones in Washington?
Think about it, we have a huge incumbency rate - that means almost all have been there a while - many for decades. Yet, this country is getting more and more mired in problems.
An interesting poll I saw once. It seems people were asked about their opinion of congress and about 15% were positive (not exact numbers, but near). When asked their opinion about ‘their own politicians’ - it was 90%.
That’s the problem. People vote based on party, name recognition, emotion, the fact they shook his/her hands at a rally, etc.
Again, I feel they have had their chance. I don’t think there are over a half dozen that are worthy of retention. They can certainly be given the opportunity to make their case and be a ‘challenger’ in an upcoming election.
The fact is, they are all going to do very well financially, they will have contacts, assets that can be utilitized. If they truly want to help this country, they can do just as much out here in the public sector.
Re: Ladytexan, Post #55;
Exactly! I’m with you on this 100% - - and, in spite of the devastating effect this is having on Americans in all the ways you mention - - neither party and none of the current candidates are ever going to do a thing about it - - nor will Congress.
The best we can hope for is that significant public activism may be able to motivate state legislatures to take constructive action. It’s ming-boggling to me to see how the Executive Branch has completely ignored enforcing the existing laws on the illegal immigrants AND on the businesses that illegally hire them!
For starters, the use of E-Verify should be REQUIRED of all employers - - and initial stringent enforcement actions of existing laws should go against employers. If there are no jobs - - fewer illegals will come and many already here will leave.
As it is now - - taxpayers are subsidizing the businesses hiring low-pay illegals because we’re stuck paying all the healthcare, social, welfare and criminality-related costs!
The businesses and people supporting illegal immigration and illegal immigrants are the ones who are “anti-American”!
Ladytexan, while some of this is correct, those places where John McCain travelled, held town hall meetings, tried to hold a press conference is what I mean by BIASED MEDIA! It it wan’t for Youtube, the messages wouldn’t get out at all!
All the problems you mentioned above he has spoken on, but groups like LaRaza have shown up and started throwing Rocks, Bottles and other objects clearly trying to start Racial unrest and make Race an issue! The last time I looked, ILLEGAL was not a race!
Polls are taken aiming at the people who will give them the numbers they want to see. I learned that a long time ago!
There is also something I learned about which explains a lot between not the parties, but along an ideology and it is this: There is a big difference between Liberals and Conservatives and the difference is this…...............
Conservatives believe that TRUTH is more important than Tolerance, which can be used against us to make us look like bigots, or that’s the charge.
Liberals believe that TOLERANCE is more important that Truth. This will result in nothing but Chaos since Tolerance means that you will end up tolerating everything, inlcuding intolerance!
Liberals believe that indeed Tolerance IS the Truth and this is why the LIE that “reality has a base in Liberalism” prevails.
I believe that is what holds more weight than shaking a hand or hearing someone talk, to be honest! If this were not true, we wouldn’t be hearing about how Obama, if he loses it will be because of Racism!
There were also those who used their own views of Racial hatred to push their own views and used John McCain’s stand on this issue as their base, making this a fine line to walk and not get stuck in.
I am running on a platform of enforcing our laws first and am in total support of E-Verify and if you want to help us get these important pieces of legislation passed, then please consider looking into http://www.numbersusa.org and making your voice heard! I, should i be blessed enough to get elected into office, am going to need your support from all areas to be able to stand up to the special interests! I realise that I’m going to be local in Arizona, but this organisation is a great one with honorable members!
We cannot afford to stay stuck in our own little private ;lives any longer. Running for office takes a lot out of one and the media scrutiny can be really intense, especially on Conservatives because the Media has a liberal bias! It is knowing that we are supported back at home that keeps most of us going and willing to take our place on the grill! And thank you!
Re: Ladytexan, Post #56;
There may be some “good” people in Washington - - but TOO MUCH POWER has been centralized in the federal government - - and Washington is no longer responsive to the interests of the citzenry! (Ex: 83% of Americans want the government to stop illegal immigration - - but no politician and neither party will respond!) It moves to the beat of Big Business, campaign finance, and running for re-election.
The entire equation has to be changed - - and the easiest and most effective way to change it is through a grass roots movement to re-strengthen the concepts of states’ rights and decentralized government. In essence, divide and conquer - - and let each state take the route most favored by its own local citizenry. (And, of course, we citizens would be free to relocate (if necessary) to whatever state we feel best maintains our most favored political, social and/or cultural milieu.)
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Jonathon, you need to brush up on your calculator operations: US GDP is $12 Trillion last I checked (that’s 12 followed by 12 zeros).
12,000,000,000,000 * 0.007 = 84,000,000,000
That’s 84 Billion, not 65 Billion.
Anyway you look at it, is is an enormous amount of property stolen from American taxpayers and spent to aggrandize some politicians and corrupt many other politicians.