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If the Republican establishment thinks it has a problem with Donald Trump, just wait until the Pope visits America next month and endorses socialist Bernie Sanders for president. Such a move, which is not beyond the realm of possibility, would put the head of the Roman Catholic Church firmly in the Democratic Party camp during a critical election year in which Republicans hope to turn back the tide of transformational Marxism represented by President Barack Obama.

A story on a Catholic news site, “Is Pope Francis going to endorse…Bernie Sanders?!,” looks seriously at the possibility. The article noted that the words of the pope, during his trip to America, “will be heard by millions of American Catholics who are one of the most influential voting blocs in today’s political landscape.” It said, “Today, topics such as income inequality, healthcare and the environment are resonating with voters and Pope Francis has come down on these issues in such a way as to annoy many conservative Catholics. The end result is many Catholics could be contemplating a vote for a liberal candidate, particularly the self-described democratic socialist, Bernie Sanders.”

Meanwhile, an article in the Jesuit publication America says there are seven Catholic candidates running for president, but that the one quoting Pope Francis the most often “is a Jewish guy from Vermont”—Senator Bernie Sanders.

But the fact that one socialist quotes another socialist is really not that surprising.

While Sanders openly calls himself a socialist, some in the media are trying to insist that Pope Francis, who is coming to America in September, is not a socialist.

A writer for the liberal magazine Newsweek said back in 2013 that “…the notion that Pope Francis is a true socialist is absurd. Socialists believe in the state taking control of the commanding heights of the economy. They believe the free market should be substituted by a command economy in which goods are produced according to need and prices are fixed to ensure fairness.”

However, in 2014, Francis met with executives from the United Nations and openly urged “the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state…”

Both socialism and communism are based on the ideas of Karl Marx, who proposed an economic system based on state control. His Communist Manifesto had ten planks, perhaps the most famous being abolition of the right to private property. But Marx also proposed the abolition of the family so that the state could control the lives of its members.

In addition to Francis’ call for the redistribution of economic benefits by the state, the Associated Press reported that Bolivia’s Marxist President, Evo Morales, had said that, he, too, “thinks that what Pope Francis preaches amounts to socialism.”

Francis accepted a “communist crucifix” from Morales and took it back with him to the Vatican. It was a crucifix carved into a wooden hammer and sickle. Despite reports to the contrary, Francis said he wasn’t offended by the gift.

“Pope Francis has shown great courage in raising issues that we rarely hear discussed,” Sanders said in a Senate floor speech. “The leader of the Catholic church is raising profound issues. It’s important that we listen to what he has said.”

Sanders seized on the pope’s statement on November 24, 2013, that “Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.”

As we noted at the time, the term “trickle-down” is associated by some in the liberal media with President Reagan’s pro-growth policies. The term is meant to disparage the beneficial impact of tax cuts on the economy. It is telling that Francis would pick up on this smear of Reagan spread by the liberal media. In fact, there is no “trickle-down school of economic theory” or economic thought.

On August 16, speaking at Loras College in Iowa—a Catholic school—in a venue not far from a large crucifix, Sanders again invoked the pope in arguing for socialism in America.

The Des Moines Register reported that Sanders said “his plans for a Sanders White House are parallel to the message of Pope Francis.” Sanders said, “Pope Francis is raising these issues all over the world. And anybody who thinks what I am saying is radical, read what the pope is saying.”

The pope is “becoming very political,” GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo. Trump, who is a Protestant, said he had great respect for the head of the Roman Catholic Church but that he would challenge the pope’s anti-capitalist message. Trump said he would inform Francis that “they better hope that capitalism works, because it’s the only thing we have right now. And it’s a great thing when it works properly.”

While the Jesuit publication America noted how Sanders had been quoting the pope more often than other candidates, Time magazine had run a story in January on how Sanders, who was then just considering a presidential run, was the political figure “whose political philosophy lines up most closely with the economic and social theories of Pope Francis.”

The magazine said, “Unlike many leaders who name-drop Pope Francis to score political points—he is, after all, likely the most popular man on the planet—Sanders quotes the Pope because he actually believes his message.”

Time added, “Sanders’ social-media accounts are filled with quotes from the Holy Father about the need to reform socioeconomic systems.”

Before Pope Francis took over the papacy, in a development involving the mysterious resignation of Pope Benedict, the Vatican had strongly condemned both socialism and communism.

For example, Pope Pius XI said that socialism “cannot be reconciled with the teachings of the Catholic Church because its concept of society itself is utterly foreign to Christian truth.” Pope Pius IX referred to “the wicked theories of this Socialism and Communism.” John Paul II called socialism a “simple and radical solution” that was being presented in an “attractive” way by its proponents, but which constituted a “danger” to the countries in which it was being imposed.

Before coming to America the pope is going to Cuba, where he will presumably meet with the Castro brothers, who rule over a communist prison camp and socialist economic basket case. Francis worked with the Obama administration and the Cuban regime on the deal for the U.S. to recognize Castro’s Cuba.

Almost one-tenth of the island’s population of 11 million has fled to the U.S., with recent high-profile defections coming from the Cuban national athletic teams.

In Venezuela, where Marxists have ruled with the support of the Cuban regime, a photo of a $2 Venezuelan bolivar bill being used as a napkin has gone viral. In addition to the collapse of the currency, Fusion magazine reports that Venezuela’s product shortages “have become so severe that some hotels in that country are asking guests to bring their own toilet paper and soap…”

Venezuela’s mentally unstable Marxist President Nicolás Maduro has blamed the CIA and a “Plan Vulture,” which he claims is destabilizing leftist Latin American governments through economic sabotage.

Sanders  hasn’t yet echoed Maduro’s accusations. But back in 2006, then-Rep. Sanders participated in a propaganda event to announce the first delivery of fuel under a discounted heating oil program established by the Venezuelan government and the State of Vermont. The purpose was to give credibility to the Marxist regime running Venezuela and lead people in the U.S. to believe the regime was so compassionate that it wanted to help poor people in the U.S., in addition to its own downtrodden.

In view of recent developments, it might be appropriate for the media to ask socialist Sanders and the socialist pope about how their economic theory is working in places like Venezuela and Cuba.




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Comments

  • Jim Allyn

    And somebody should ask the majority of Americans how well capitalism is working for them.

  • Cherokee Corn

    …………………………Scandinavia…………………………..

  • Jukka Kammer

    Has the Author actually read Marx.This article is factually total Bullshit.

  • ftk34

    Someone should ask how competently Cliff Kincaid’s brain is working for him.

    Spoilers: the answer is ‘not well’.

  • sweetbamboo

    their are several types of socialism. we are embracing democratic socialism which is very different from national socialism and communism. i think the author would be wise to educate himself about the differences.

  • Wvmtnboy

    How about asking the Scandinavian Countries how Democratic Socialism is working out for them?

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  • FilRose

    The Pope cannot endorse any candidate. The church cannot step into politics that way. But he will, I’m sure, speak of all the same issues Bernie is concerned with, the environment, income inequality, racial equality, care for the poor, etc. It will be obvious how much they think alike. But he cannot endorse anybody. Only problem – the Church has not changed it’s stand on abortion and that is the one area where Bernie and the Church don’t agree.

  • RMThoughts

    Did it ever occur to the author that RT would probably endorse any candidate who doesn’t beat war drums against Russia. Sanders is the only candidate who does not. The GOP neocon pleasin candidates strive to out strident each other in their shrillness to oblige a subservient Russia fully integrated into the ‘world community’, of the NWO.

    The US attitude remains where do you think you are pushing with your Russian world, Eurasian union and anti-globalist ambitions? Russia is the last seawall on which the waves of the NWO break. For America’s sake we should hope it holds.

  • Ursulaem

    Maybe the author should do a little homework. #Bernie2016 models his DEMOCRATIC socialism after countries like Denmark, Finland, Sweden, and the Netherlands. Those countries are doing very well economically, have great education and healthcare systems, and they still allow for some highly regulated capitalism. He wants to break up the big banks and make big corporations pay their fair share of taxes.

  • Paula Sayles

    “The term is meant to disparage the beneficial impact of
    tax cuts on the economy. It is telling that Francis would pick up on this smear
    of Reagan spread by the liberal media. In fact, there is no ‘trickle-down
    school of economic theory’ or economic thought.”

    INCORRECT.

    “David Stockman, who as Reagan’s budget director
    championed Reagan’s tax cuts…told journalist William Greider that the ‘supply-side
    economics’ is the trickle-down idea: ‘It’s kind of hard to sell ‘trickle down,’
    so the supply-side formula was the only way to get a tax policy that was really
    ‘trickle down.’ Supply-side is ‘trickle-down’ theory.’”

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/12/the-education-of-david-stockman/305760/?single_page=true

  • Paula Sayles

    PS: Socialism isn’t scary. “The social relations of socialism are characterized by the working-class effectively owning the means of production and the means of their livelihood, either through cooperative enterprises or by public ownership and self management, so that the social surplus accrues to the working class and society as a whole.”

  • gene457

    Very well, thank you.
    You are naive as SIN (pun intended) if you think for even a moment that socialism is a good thing.

  • gene457

    I think YOU would be wise to educate yourself. A rose by any other name smells as sweet. You are naive as sin to think that socialism in this country will not lead to communism.

  • gene457

    You mean with their 55-75% tax rates (even 90%)? Oh, yeah, it’s wonderful!

  • gene457

    Hope this Sanders croaks before the election. We need a socialist president like we needed a Muslim “president”.

  • gene457

    How do you plan to address “income inequality”, socialist? Pass laws that say a physician should be paid no more than a garbage man?

  • gene457

    When did Trump or any other GOP candidate talk about war against Russia? WTF are you even TALKING about?

  • gene457

    Denmark, Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands, and other sissy socialist countries have OUTRAGEOUS income tax rates. Trust me, pal, it will NEVER happen here.

  • gene457

    Sounds great on paper. The problem is, it NEVER works.

  • gene457

    …has income tax rates of up to 75%. Case closed.

  • Adam Woodard

    Gene457 vs. EVERYBODY! See you at the polls, troll.

  • hap46

    If the Roman Catholic Pope running for President? Who really cares what his opinion is in our politicis? Go back to Rome and rule the Vatican–that’s why you were elected by the cardinals.

  • This reactionary author needs not only political science lessons, but geography lessons because Senator presidential Candidate Bernard Sanders frequently talks of Scandinavia as the model he sees. By the way it works very well per the Forbes 500 business line and self voted the happiest with a government that is most functional.

  • FilRose

    Absolutely not. You’re describing an extreme form of socialism, which neither Bernie or the Pope ascribe to. Raise salaries! Stop the corporate CEO’s and business owners from making obscene profits while paying the people who do most of the work indecent wages. They can still make whatever they want, but not at the expense of their employees, who can’t afford to live. That is what is meant by income inequality. Businesses taking advantage of the working people to amass bigger profits for the people at the top. It’s simple morality.

  • AndRebecca

    You haven’t read Marx or you would know what Marxism is. It is everything from Nazism to Socialism to Communism, and it is against the family. And, its main attraction is it a scheme to get rid of Christianity while milking Christians of their money. Karl Marx and Fred Engels lived off of Engels’ Christian father and lived in great style going to prostitutes together while Marx neglected his wife and many children. Utopia all the way. Engels wrote the book “Origins” about the wonders of barbarity and the need to get rid of Christianity and the family. Two sociopaths in action. They promoted constant conflict starting within the family between the mother, father and child then on to the bloody revolution.

  • AndRebecca

    What are you talking about?

  • AndRebecca

    Sure. That’s what Lenin said when he took off to Russia and convinced the peasants and proletariat they could run the government even though they were illiterate. Then the “smart” ones came in and formed a dictatorship. Amazing how that line has worked all over the world. Now we have the dictators at the U.N. running everything with American money. Plus, Lenin himself said his scheme in Russia would have never worked out if it wasn’t for American businesses going there and building their economy, such as it is.

  • AndRebecca

    Maybe you should do a little research on the economies of Europe. Their main source of income is tourism. And they get lots of help from America with taxpayer money going to their scientific research and other projects. We send students over there, have constant conferences over there, and we have our military bases are over there, propping up the economy. They would not be doing very well without the American taxpayer and his money.

  • race_to_the_bottom

    How very interesting that the venerable far right AIM has only ONE pathetic defender holding the fort here. Poor gene 457 has a full-time job fending off the Bernie Sanders tidal wave. Hope he has good rain gear The waves will continue to pound. 🙂

  • John Cunningham

    He’s a Catholic ain’t he? Lets face it, he is from Argentina and, no matter what they’re size is they are a third world Country. Like a third World Pope, he see’s everything from a Socialist perspective. Most Catholics in the US are Democrats mainly because all politics are local. They don’t consider the implications of abortion or ignore it.

  • gene457

    “You’re describing an extreme form of socialism, which neither Bernie or the Pope ascribe to.”
    – And you don’t think that whatever it is they endorse will not lead to the “extreme form of socialism” I described? Oh my God, are YOU ever naïve!

    “Raise salaries!“
    – HOW? You mean you’re going to force private companies to pay people more?

    “Stop the corporate CEO’s and business owners from making obscene profits while paying the people who do most of the work indecent wages.”
    – So stockholders who risk capital to invest in a company should be told that their earnings are limited? How much do you think people will invest under THOSE circumstances?

    “They can still make whatever they want, but not at the expense of their employees, who can’t afford to live. “
    – How many employees today are slaves to the places they work at? How many of them are denied the right to seek another better-paying job?

    “That is what is meant by income inequality. Businesses taking advantage of the working people to amass bigger profits for the people at the top. It’s simple morality.”
    – And you are simply a well-meaning idiot. No other way to describe it.

  • Ted

    Well, since Jesus was clearly one of the first truly progressive liberals and actually preached about each man’s social responsibility to all men … I sure as hell hope that the Pope would recognize and acknowledge the message that Bernie Sanders is sending!

  • Pat Grant

    America has already adopted and put into practice many socialist policies. I dont think socialism means what youy think it means. try looking up Bernie’s stance on the issues

  • sweetbamboo

    excuse me? socialism has not led to communism in england, france, denmark, canada, finland, norway, sweden, belgium, ireland, just to name some of the most socialist countries. also, you might want to keep in mind the ways that socialism has benefitted our country; our military, public education, town and state run parks and beaches, roads and bridges, police, fire dept., postal service, student loans and grants, garbage collection, the FBI, museums, social security, veteran’s health care, our sewer systems, our court systems, medicare, city zoos, the GI bill, unemployment compensation, city transportation, snow removal, city street lighting, OSHA, the national weather service to name just some. yeah, those benefits of socialism really suck…said no one ever.

  • Pat Grant

    troll

  • Gringo_Cracker

    The Savior endorsed individual, not governmental, charity.

  • Gringo_Cracker

    Regardless of whatever else they are, leftists are always leftists first, last, and always – all other priorities rescinded.

  • The author is not interested in the differences. He is a market theologian by my estimation. The word ‘socialism’ used by such ideologues is merely a scare word. And those in positions of wealth and power are scared by men like Sanders and the Pope.

  • Another market theologian heard from. Any critique of our brand of capitalism is sin! Sanders is a blasphemer! Too bad you guys came to late for the practice of stoning.

  • Funny… back during the Golden Age of American capitalism (1945-1968), I seem to recall the top marginal tax rates being… what? 70-90%. Roosevelt wanted 100%, an effective income cap. Given how CEO pay has evolved since 1982, some would say Roosevelt was right.

  • News flash: Nazism was at the opposite side the spectrum from Soviet Communism. And authentic Marxism has little to do with either Fascism or Bolshevism (which even Lenin admitted was state capitalism).

  • We’ve had presidents who, by today’s standards, would be called radical socialists: TR, FDR, Johnson. All had their flaws, but more Americans than not look upon them favorably. That said, do realize that every president since Reagan has embraced socialism of a certain kind: socialism for the rich. Privatize profit and socialize debt for the top 1% for 40 years or so and you get the kind of political and economic inequality that we have today.

  • Pal… it has happened here. The top marginal tax rates from the forties until 1982 were higher than they are in Scandinavia today. And you know what? The economy as a whole was the better for it.

  • He can (he’s the Pope) but he won’t. He will speak his mind on the evils of our brand of capitalism but he’s too savvy to explicitly endorse political candidates.

  • Cap CEO pay (the pay of professionals like doctors is not over the top; that of out top CEOs is); end tax loopholes and subsidies for prosperous industries like Oil and Gas; tax financial transactions–and intangible property–as we do consumption (the financial sector has reaped the benefits of numerous bailouts and has been the cause of numerous crises; it is time they kicked in); return the top marginal tax rate to 70%… AND–with the revenue derived from a fairer tax system–get busy rebuilding the nation’s infrastructure which has been crumbling for 35 year now and needs to be brought into the 21st century. By creating millions of well-paying blue collar jobs, the latter WILL go a long a way toward improving economic inequality.

  • AndRebecca

    Well, I wonder why Russia supported Germany before WWI and WWII and why Lenin stated Nazism was “Right-wing Socialism?” Yes, Nazism is on the on the opposite of the same spectrum! And, please inform yourself by reading Marxist books such as V.I. Lenin’s “State and the Revolution.” How do you live with yourself knowing you aren’t telling the truth? The ends justify the means?

  • gene457

    “America has already adopted and put into practice many socialist policies. ”
    – Yes, and they’ve been a DISASTER. Want a great example? Look at Detroit. End of story.

  • mike tarose

    you seem to be a christian hypocrite. This is what Jesus said to the Pharisees:

    10“Whoever
    can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and
    whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much.
    11So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches?
    12And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?

    13“No
    one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the
    other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You
    cannot serve both God and money.”

    14The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus.
    15He said to them, “You
    are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God
    knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s
    sight.

  • gene457

    Socialized medicine in England led to my sister-in-law waiting for THREE YEARS to get simple gall bladder surgery. Socialism in these other disastrous countries (who have no military budgets BTW, as they rely on the USA to defend them) has led to outrageous taxes (up to 90%!). Case closed.

  • gene457

    Socialism has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH the military, town and state run parks and beaches, roads and bridges, police, fire dept., postal service, garbage collection, the FBI, museums, veteran’s health care, our sewer systems, our court systems, medicare, city zoos, the GI bill, unemployment compensation, city transportation, snow removal, city street lighting, or the national weather service. Public education in the cities is AWFUL!!!!! And student loans and grants are GREATLY abused and in default. Social security is bankrupt.
    My GOD, are you ever NAIVE!!!!

  • FilRose

    I agree he will speak his mind on our brand of capitalism, but being the representative of a church (and a state) he just can’t mention a candidate. They have tax exempt status and part of the requirements to keep that status is that they refrain from politics.

  • FilRose

    Amen!

  • FilRose

    Someone else may say it better, but addressing income inequality means raising salaries from the bottom up and paying decent wages. How to get businesses to do it? Strengthen the unions, which have been greatly weakened in republican states, causing wages to drop and stagnate.

  • Oh well …

    Sweetbooboo, how about trying pure capitalism for once?

  • Justin Beagley

    If nobody pays for a military, a pure capitalist country would be taken over in a second. If you force people to pay for a military, you don’t have pure capitalism.

    Pure capitalism, for this reason (and many more) would be a complete joke, an utter failure, and would last a day before a stronger, more united country wanted our resources.

  • Justin Beagley

    Taxation in Norway is a flat tax at 28%.

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=tax+rates+in+norway

    Keep repeating BS in hopes that nobody knows how to fact check your statements.

    Now, please stop lying and educate yourself before speaking on a topic.

  • Justin Beagley

    The 4 presidents with the lowest rates of unemployment were L. Johnson, H. Truman, D. Eisenhower, R. Nixon.

    Their tax rates? 91%. 91%. 91%. and nixon dropped it to 77%.

    Over 30 years of the lowest unemployment america has ever had, and highest tax rates america has ever had.

    Correlation might not equal causation – but after 30 years of high taxes, and low unemployment – you would have to be a brain dead moron to believe that raising taxes would somehow increase the unemployment. High taxes, therefore, could only be thought of in 2 ways.

    Either they’re benign to the economic health of a society (and helps pay the national debt) OR it is something that adds and benefits the economic health of a society.

    Sorry – facts are facts.

  • John Doe

    Actually, every one of those is a socialist program.

    Taxes / fees were collected from a collection of citizens to pay for something to benefit society and its’ members well-being.

    Sounds a whole lot like socialism to me.

    We do not live in a pure capitalist economic system. We live in a democratic socialist system that embraces regulated free market capitalism. (Talking about the economic system, not the political system.)

    The New Deal and FDR set us on that path a long time ago and it helped us grow a strong middle class. A middle class that is now struggling, because we have abandoned the principles that made it strong out of fear of a word.

    Regarding Social security, it has been robbed from to pay for unfunded wars and other programs over the years with no plan to pay it back.

    Do you call a person who is mugged / robbed bankrupt condescendingly? If so, that is not addressing the issue or offering a solution. Murdering the person who was mugged / robbed is not a valid solution. Refunding them / putting preventative measures in place and finding & charging the criminals is.

    Take a moment to realize that defining Socialism by the USSR because it has Socialist in its’ name is like defining Democratic Republic because the “Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea” because of its’ name.

  • John Doe

    And my wife had to wait 2 years for a similar surgery here in the good old US of A.

    That tax percentage is a lie btw.

  • Pat Grant
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  • Oh well, …

    Did you pay a toll to be a troll?

  • John Doe

    Capitalism without regulation leads to monopolies and oligarchy. People turn to their employers for everything. This becomes a slave nation.

    Socialism without free market incentive does not innovate and people tend not to work to their potential. Government intervention often becomes necessary to force people to work. People turn to their government for everything. This becomes a slave nation.

    We need a blend of both. Democratic Socialism (i.e. – Regulated Free Market Capitalism w/ various social safety nets and public services) is what works best.

    It worked in the past to make the US the envy of the world. It can work again.

  • J. Glen Hanson

    Will this happen before or after Pope Francis announces that he is gay (but celibate) and pleads, “Please, don’t judge me?” You know that his sponsor — the militant atheist and maniacal Marxist George Soros — wants the pope to deliver his money’s worth.

    Also, Communists had work/death camps long before the Nazis gained power and the Communists still have work/death camps today, long after the Nazis. Hitler called the Weimar Republic “a Marxist Jewish international pigsty.” (Maybe it’s political ideology that repeats itself, and not history, necessarily.)

    All the aforementioned was a part of the left and right of the socialist nightmare.

  • John Doe

    Straw Man Fallacy. Detroit is a city. Not a socialist dreamscape.

    The motor-city was a manufacturing base. Bad trade deals and corruption / ineptitude led to its’ decline. This had nothing to do with socialism.

    Medicare and Social Security have helped the elderly, SNAP the hungry, Pell grants the student trying to learn a trade, public schools have provided literacy, life skills & lowered crime rates. Libraries, infrastructure, etc… These are not failures (except when they are no longer funded).

    Socialism is not a problem. Ineptitude is a problem. Corruption is a problem. Lack of compassion for the most vulnerable among us is a problem.

  • We supported the Soviet Union during WWII… We support ‘communist’ China now, knowing that–where they may no longer be following through with the Soviet Experiment–they are repressing and exploiting their people… it’s all geopolitics, ideology has little to do with the alliances we establish. We’ve also made it a habit of backing and propping up repressive right-wing dictators in the Third World. The Shah, Saddam, Generals Pinochet, Zia-ul-Haq, and Suharto… these are famous examples. Does this mean we’re fascists? Not necessarily. In many cases we were doing so as a favor to business interests. (The Dulles brothers helping out United Fruit company by orchestrating a coup in Guatemala is a famous example of the latter.)

    That said, there is one aspect of socialist theory which, when ignored, often disqualifies left leaning thinkers and politicians from being able to call the systems they advocate ‘socialist’. And that is the principle of equality of citizenry, the goal of eliminating social classes. (Orwell describes such a principle in action in Homage to Catalonia. Serving as a member of a socialist army, he describes lack of top-down command, a structure in which foot soldiers have as much authority–and responsibility–as ‘officers’. He observes–I’m paraphrasing–“Don’t ask me how it works. It just does.”) To the extent that the Soviet Union departed from this principle–and, actually, under Stalin, went as deeply in the direction of a cult of leadership as did Fascist Germany and Italy–it could not be called an authentic ‘socialist’ republic, notwithstanding the fact that this claim was in its name. (China under Mao abandoned socialism in much the same way… as has Cuba under the Castros.)

    Socialism that abides by this principle does not admit for ‘big men’. It does allow for the cult of the individual or social Darwinism. These are the reasons it so rankles the American consciousness, which remains basically authoritarian and phallogocentric, apt to fall for the Reagans and Trumps in its midst–‘big’ men, loudmouths, class-conscious crony capitalists–rather than conscientious pragmatists like Sanders. We are changing as a people. (The millennial generation is much more responsible, conscientious, and forward thinking than its immediate predecessors.) But, at heart, we are still vulnerable to the Hitlerian appeal.

  • gene457

    I have NEVER ONCE HEARD of ANYONE in the USA having to wait so long for ANY type of medical treatment, thank God. So your comment makes you out to be a liar or else a total imbecile.

  • AndRebecca

    We supported the starving communists in Russia and we started Capitalism in China to help the starving Chinese. We have seen what we get in the Middle East when we don’t support people like the Saudis. You utopians are always saying if we just do this or just do that, your perfect world will materialize, but it never does. Instead, misery takes the place of a backward non-Capitalist government in the third world. Capitalism was started in parts of four Western countries, England, France, Germany, and America. The same countries the Marxists have done everything to “change.” Capitalists have tried to improve the world through trade and infrastructure and agriculture and Western values. People of other cultures have a problem with Capitalism due to cultural differences, especially the acceptance of corruption of every kind. The Marxists play on that. Here’s a website with communist books and views on it: http://www.intpubnyc.com/ They seem to have the same delusional view of Capitalism as you, but are actually proud of what they do to keep people in poverty and under dictatorships…and they make lots of money doing what they do.

  • gene457

    I don’t know anyone who regards street lights, roads, the military, parks, beaches, and other public facilities as examples of socialism. I know Fauxchahontas talks that way, but she’s totally off the wall. Socialism refers to ENTITLEMENTS like Social Security, welfare, food stamps, Obamacare, and the like, all of which are abused and all of which are disasters, creating $17 TRILLION in debt.
    Yes, there IS socialism to some degree in the USA, and it ALL has been a failure.

  • gene457

    Of COURSE Detroit is not a dreamscape, but it has been led for many decades by union-allied Democrats applying socialist principles (no Republican had led it for a century), and it is a TOTAL DISASTER.
    All of the programs you cite are TOTAL FAILURES. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can see that (I guess that excludes you).

  • Jim Allyn

    And you are naive as SIN if you believe that capitalism has been working well for the majority of Americans, or for that matter for the majority of humans, period. Capitalism has concentrated great wealth in the hands of a few, while leaving the rest suffering. Since you mention sin, I’m going to guess that you call yourself a Christian. You might want to read what Jesus has to say about accumulating great wealth, and while you have your Bible open (I’m assuming that you have one, but apparently you don’t read it), have a look at Acts 2:44-45 and Acts 4:32.

  • John Doe

    Then you don’t know many people who are right.

    These are prime examples of socialism at work.

    I have paid for social security my entire working life out of my hard-earned pay.

    It is separate from the rest of my taxes. It is not a general fund. It isn’t intended for any purpose other than the one it was put in place for.

    It’s time to remove the taxable income limit for Social Security. We need to expand the program. Not throw our seniors out to pasture.

    $17 TRILLION in debt caused by irresponsibly cutting taxes on the wealthy while starting 2 unfunded wars. Obama has done more to lower the deficit then you would ever give him credit for. Yes, a deficit is different then debt for the financially illiterate.

    Want to know how to operate a deficit? Spend more then you take in. Want to not operate a deficit, reduce spending or increase taxes or a combination of the two. It’s not rocket science.

    Cut the military budget in half. Eliminate tax-payer subsidies for large companies. I don’t care if your oil, gas, solar, wind, a huge farming industry or a military supplier. No more corporate welfare.

    Food stamps are small fish. They help people. Some people abuse them, so the lose them.

    Socialism isn’t the problem. Capitalism isn’t the problem. Greed and ineptitude are the problems.

  • John Doe

    You have now.

    Gastric Bypass – Poly-Cystic Ovarian Syndrome.

    1 year waiting list / evaluations / etc… with insurer A.

    Got a better job. New insurance company.

    Different insurer had different approval process for same procedure. Another year on the waiting list.

    Bureaucracy is bureaucracy regardless if you are in a private insurance market or a single payer system.

    The key is to regulate that and make it clear that is not acceptable within the solution.

    Not hide in a corner while we hemorrhage money.

  • John Doe

    Are you entitled to a military with your taxes? Roads? Street lights? Think for a second.

    What makes these things different from food stamps or other ‘entitlements’?

    Also, Obama-care? Really? That’s not socialism by a long stretch.

    Bureaucratic nonsense that further ties us to an overpriced, broken employer-based model of healthcare. Absolutely.

    But socialism, not even a little bit.

    Medicare and Medicaid are by all means, but Obamacare set up exchanges for gods sake. You know… Market-places… Like where you buy things.

    Complain about the individual mandate. That’s fascism, not socialism. And I’m against it. But socialism?

    Come on buddy.

    Think for yourself and stop echoing everything fed to you by conservative blogs and Fox news..

  • gene457

    What an IDIOT! Lights, streets, the military, the police, the fire department etc. are all for the public good. We all share them, and it makes no sense to “privatize” them. They are not “socialism”, as we all share them. They are public facilities.

    “I have paid for social security my entire working life out of my hard-earned pay.”
    – And it’s now worth next nothing, dolt! I couldn’t rely on social security to barely pay the taxes on my two homes! Only a lifelong loser would talk like you do. LOL!

    “$17 TRILLION in debt caused by irresponsibly cutting taxes on the wealthy”
    – The “wealthy” don’t pay their “fair share” of taxes, eh? Well, half of America pays no taxes at all. What’s THEIR “fair share”?
    You don’t fight a war in the basis of whether you can afford it or not. War is not a “luxury”.
    You people and your “tax the rich” talk live in a fantasy. The true “rich” are so few and far between, even if you took every cent of their money, it would only mean a maybe a thousand dollars for each American. The porch monkeys would blow that away in one crap game.
    Face it, pal. You are just a life long loser, and it shows.

  • John Doe

    We’re not talking democrat / republican here.

    We’re talking ineptitude and corruption. Neither side is exactly winning any prizes there.

    Poorest states in the country:

    Mississippi – Poverty rate: 24.1%
    New Mexico – Poverty rate: 22%
    Louisiana – Poverty rate: 19.8%
    Georgia – Poverty rate: 19%
    Kentucky – Poverty rate: 18.8%
    Alabama – Poverty rate: 18.7%
    Arizona – Poverty rate: 18.6%
    South Carolina – Poverty rate: 18.6%
    West Virginia – Poverty rate: 18.5%

    How many of those states are majority run by democrats?

    That’s not exactly a ringing endorsement for GOP policy.

    Just saying. Before you throw stones in a glass house….

    I’m a blue dog democrat and there are more of us pro-gun democrats then you would ever imagine.

    Fiscal responsibility. In the 50s I’d be considered a Moderate republican. That is how far right we have shifted.

    In most countries, Bernie sanders would be viewed as a centrist.

    It’s time to think again instead of letting the media control us. Think Gene. Think.

  • John Doe

    You think I don’t have a 401k? Lol.

    I’m an engineer.

    I’m not saying tax the rich, I’m saying those tax cuts were a HUGE mistake. I’m saying lets’ go back to the policies that worked.

    Social Security is self-funding if politicians keep their grubby hands out of it.

    Regarding War, you’re right, raise my taxes too. Just pay for the damned war. Don’t put it on a credit card.

    Or better yet, don’t go to war if there isn’t a reason to. What a novel concept? Why do we need to police the world again?

    I’ll feel the crunch right along with the wealthy, but don’t give them a free pass with capital gain taxes of 18% on investment earnings while charging working people 30% of their income for work done.

    That is a regressive tax system.

  • Steven Barrett

    Yeah, don’t you Red State “conservatives” love the results of your cookin’? Keepin’ your pooh folks on today’s low-ball min wage plantation wages is doing those states mighty fine, mighty fine. If there’s one thing today’s typical Sunbelt “fiscal conservatives” fear more than the prospect of having to dig a little deeper into their profits and pockets, it’s the prospect that the poor might just rise above their raisin’s if only they had more money to do so, and that’s a real scarrrrrrrry prospect folks. Less poor folks to exploit year after year and scare ’em off to vote your way through the bogus Tea Party.

  • sweetbamboo

    funny how most of the countries i mentioned are NOT starting wars either. and i’m sure you’ll correct me if i’m wrong (lol!) but we haven’t defended any of these countries for a long, long time. england fought off germany all by themselves until we chose to get involved in 1941. i can cite examples of people i know who’ve come here from england and hate it because it costs them more to live here despite england’s high tax rate. so no, case not closed. whether you choose to continue is irrelevant. btw, i bet your SIL got her surgery without much if any cost. here, you just have to wait until you’re at deaths door and hope the ER doesn’t turn you away for lack of insurance or ability to pay.

  • sweetbamboo

    just because you haven’t “heard” of anyone does not make your opinion so. i nearly bled to death before i could get a hysterectomy here in the US. so there, now you’ve heard.

  • sweetbamboo

    thank you for your adding you intelligent and articulate comments to this debate. you are obviously well read and well informed and have supported my point brilliantly. it’s good to know there are a few of us who actually know what we’re talking about.

  • sweetbamboo

    The SYSTEM that has been incorporated to create these community services and benefits is democratic socialism. and i don’t know where you’ve been in recent years but the wars we’ve gone into are why we are trillions of dollars in debt. Reagan tapped the veterans benefits, medicaid and i believe social security to fund the star wars program which later we learned was a total fabrication. then more was taken from soc. security to fund the war with iraq. maybe you should research some alternative news sites that actually provide a bit of truth and turn fox news off.

  • sweetbamboo

    you make me laugh. and not at the name change either. pure capitalism doesn’t work. neither does pure socialism. in fact there’s no such thing as pure capitalism. no “ism” in and of itself works. you’d be crazy to think as much. but, since you’re obviously a fan of pure capitalism, maybe someone could pay you to think.

  • Steven Barrett

    Cliff Kincaid is a Catholic, but whose corner is he in? One would normally think that such a über-arch conservative Catholic like Kincaid would’ve given more than at least a second or third thought to publishing his twofer attack on both Pope Francis, the successor to the divinely appointed St. Peter with the American Senator from Vermont, Bernard Sanders who describes himself as a “secular Jew,” whose far from being antagonistic towards Catholicism. Twenty-seven years ago he married his second wife, Jane O’Meara Sanders. Some die hard socialist from the Big City.

    Yeah, this “… Jewish guy from Vermont” really has a lot of conservative Catholics and non-Catholic Christians undies tied in knots because he’s quoted a Pope more than any of the other Catholic candidates — all self-described conservative Republicans, according to the Jesuits prestigious periodical “America.”Turns out that Sanders actually more than a “Jewish guy from Vermont,” he’s a “Jewish guy” who grew up in Brooklyn and before moving to Vermont, spent some time serving as a carpenter in an Israeli Kibbutz. Unlike any other candidates who’ve run for the highest office in our land … and will no doubt have to deal with the persistent crises between Israelis and Palestinians, he’s spent some time on Israel’s front line. And years later when faced with one of the worst scandals in the Veterans Administration’s history, Bernie Sanders, then chairman of the committee responsible for investingating the agency and unplugging the logjam of back files, managed to get done in a very quiet way what nobody else on The Hill was able to accomplish. He was way out ahead of the party whose nomination he’s working to earn. Oh yeah, Bernie the socialist. Perhaps what really sticks in today’s economic deconstructionists masquerading as “fiscal conservatives” is that Sanders isn’t really that “socialist” at all, at least not nowhere nearly as much as he was in his younger years. The Sanders camp hasn’t gone out of its way to sanitize their man’s past. It is what it is and anybody with open eyes and (hopefully) working mind behind them can’t help noticing the evolution. There’s a lot of shady characters the American Right has associated itself with and I can go back some thirty years to share a few political war stories from the youth I, too evolved from. Ouch, that word “evolve” like “climate change” has to really hurt some folks on today’s starboard side of the political ship o’ state.

    Cliff Kincaid’s attempt to yoke the only Jesuit pope named after one of the the Church’s poorest most beloved saints, Francis, with Bernie Sanders as if to create more than a straw boogieman out of the Vermont Senator makes me wonder what his local pastor’s putting in the church’s vessel used for dispensing incense. Is it really incense? After all, why does Kincaid seem so incensed? Okay, horrible pun, but it’s Friday and we can also lighten up, too.
    Actually, until I started reading through this column of Cliff’s, with all his huffin’ n’ puffin’ about old lefty bad guys and assorted other villains from “down in the banana republics” as Jimmy Buffett put it in a song, I thought the punch line for a good week ending and light-hearted article was IT. C’mon, it can’t get any more amusing than that headline. Especially when Kincaid didn’t pull out the usual “And never mind the fact that this “… Jewish guy from Vermont” via Brooklyn via his parents’ native Ukraine, favors Scandinavian socialism, which really scares the DC Right Wing (because it works, horrors, it works!) … pssssst, Cliff forgot to mention that “this Jewish guy” from Vermont and Brooklyn, qualifies in the eyes of some leading Republicans, as a bonafide “anchor baby,” but where was the A-word? No mention of Sanders’ support of abortion rights. Now, I’m not entirely comfortable as a fellow Catholic, Cliff … but there is a hell of a big difference between supporting a right he’s worked damn hard to make sure nobody has to use because they’re afraid of being left alone to raise a child without any family or financial support … one of THE biggest killers of the unborn that seldom if ever reaches the minds and hearts of our biggest “family values” phonies in today’s political circles. I’ll bet that Argentinian liberal Pope would have a lot more in common with Bernie Sanders than the likes of Tennessee’s Congressman DeJarlais. Wouldn’t he?

    I’ll be charitable Cliff and give you a break. After all, Bernie’s just started his speech in Columbia, SC … and he’s got a full packed house in that reddest of all red states. Reds sure ain’t what they used to be. They’re not even pink anymore. But South Carolina which has benefitted greatly from northeastern tax dollars to keep the Gamecock’s highways nice n’ smooth seems to be out of touch itself with its pride-based notions of being a truly pro-capitalist, er pssss, more genuine American kind of state. Southern fiscal conservatives just can’t shake their plantation mentality and the pride that drives it, and so many of its underpaid victims of deliberate economic exploitation into the sidewalks. Maybe this is what you’re afraid of the one-two punch of Francis’ and Sanders’ message. Yeah, if I had to stand against those two men, my undies would tied in knots, too.

  • Steven Barrett

    On the other hand, it wouldn’t pay to ask the Waltons. Their views might be a tad bit skewed. If you’re looking for real figures, ask the kinds of folks attending Bernie’s rally in Columbia, SC as I’m writing now. They sure don’t like like the college professors and geeks the anti-Sanders scribblers and pontificators in the fourth estate would like to have their readers and listeners believe make up nearly all his support. These guys never get it; you don’t have to have a doctorate in economics to know that tying to get by on the crappy wages so many blue collar and office workers or retail associates are having to settle for is just more BS put out by the cheapest generation of fat cats in our nation’s history. We’ve never minded wealth and people getting ahead. But we’re gettiing damn sick and tired of being told to settle for what we have while a predatory generation of selfish louts who’ve been all too well trained by my horrendously selfish and narcissistic “Baby Boom generation” to believe it was their destiny to be born on third base with no catcher or umpire standing at home.

  • Steven Barrett

    The real trolls are the hypocrites who believe in letting roads that have already been paid for in years past by hard working taxpaying Americans who did their fair share and sure as hell didn’t expect nor want to see the next generation of bums who want all the benefits of driving on safe and smooth roads without having to pay so much as a quarter for a 25 mile stretch. Not a penny a mile.

  • Steven Barrett

    Lots of socialism practiced in Detroit. Lots of it in terms of tax breaks for companies that demanded of their workers to keep putting out some of the most inefficient klunkers for cars in the world, then after they got their damn breaks, they turned on the unions, i.e., THE WORKERS, blamed them, outsourced their jobs, laid ’em off by the thousands, cratered the economies of so many small upper Rustbelt communities that depended on so many of the subsidiaries, etc. etc. That’s a “dominoe theory” the Right will suppress out of the history books they’re busy rewriting. But the tax breaks, the socializing of the wealthy who ran the auto industries down, continued. And where was the American Right? It was hiding off somewhere in darker corners busily cranking out more excuses to cover the sorry bum ends of the so-called “job creators” spinning their usual lies.

  • Steven Barrett

    Sounds like you’ve bought all the bullshit about social security the Right wanted you to buy. Nobody within Bernie Sanders’ camp, nor the other Democratic candidate’s campaigns as well, are seeking to reenact what the Bolsheviks and Jacobins pulled off in Russia and France. BTW, who are the “porch monkeys”? That’s a new wrinkle for a sick description that’s reflecting more about yourself than any “point” your trying to make. Give it time, it’ll be the next insult to become part of the normal Republican line of code phrases. Even Frank Luntz can’t be accused of this gem.

  • Steven Barrett

    Hey Gene, where are you getting your FACTS from? I get my social security disab. payments on time every month. The only time I’ve ever worried has been when the Republicans started talking “shut down” time after time during the past few years. For the most part, I didn’t have to worry, but there was one year where I could’ve faced a delay. But social security was not bankrupt, and never close to it. Want to help save it? Get off your ass and type out an email to your congressman or woman and senators and tell them to raise the ceiling whereby nobody has to pay any payroll taxes for Social Security above $110,000. “Suppose your favorite entertainers or ball players can afford to pay at least $220? I’ll bet a lot of milionaires and billionaires can meet this bill, and I’m confident you can see where this one single move, long supported by Sen. Sanders can do wonders to make sure Social Security will be even more solvent in the years go come. I’m not worried that my nation will abandon its disabled unless, of course, it’s abandoned its moral compass for fiscal reasons first.

  • Steven Barrett

    Lori, I signed it earlier. Hope you get a lot more signatures. If I had more time I would’ve spent more time on that page to fill out the rest of the form. LOL, Feeling like one of the Christians at the Circus Maximus? Double that LOL, just thinking about real Roman circus that happened in Mobile tonight when Caesar dropped in to make an appearance. Off to HuffPost to catch up on today’s mini-Rome, or worse, Nuremberg revisited. Those anchor baby lines bring back memories, none of ’em very good.

  • Oh well, …
  • sweetbamboo

    you’ve heard no whining from me and i refuse to stoop to the level you seem to delight in except to suggest try to grow up and do some fact checking. have a nice life if you can.

  • Lori Miller

    Thanks Steven! You rock! #feelthebern #bernie2016

  • Peter

    What? I suppose orange, yellow and red communism for you. Wake up! There is only RED Catholic NWO communism, socialism, fascism, nazism. You will come to realize this. Though Sanders is Jewish by race, is he in fact Roman Catholic by credo? I’d like to know. After all Rothschild is!

  • Peter

    You’re right. They suck?

  • Ryan Kelly

    Yea! If she lived in America she could have it done sooner here, only if she could afford it.

  • Peter

    Now $18.357 trillion in debt and soaring.

  • Peter

    The good old USSA. Sounds like rocket science to me.

  • Peter

    Your News Flash is nothing but propaganda. Hitler enjoyed that people (fleeing out of the frypan into the fire) saw him as the bright shining light against communism while knowing all along nazism and communism were one and the same ideology. Information obtained from Encyclopaedia Britannica 1962 q.v. below. One extreme right, one extreme left and yet both extreme socialism. Extreme right/left duplicity that’s what.
    The hammer and sickle, symbolic of agrarian peace in a New World Order, only delivered the opposite, mass carnage. This emblem too was duplicitous. Always perceive the opposite face of served up propaganda.

    Quote from ‘National Socialism’ article Ency. Brit. (1962): –
    ‘Though Hitler accepted many elements of the technique of the Bolshevik revolution, he found a powerful ally in the widespread fear of Bolshevism, which he exploited, first in Germany and then on a world-wide scale, posing as the bulwark against Bolshevism. Thus, he secured the financial and moral support of many conservative elements that misunderstood the revolutionary and nihilistic character of his movement and it’s many points of similarity with Bolshevism (as in its anti-liberalism).
    . . . . . The banner of the N.S.D.A.P. was the red flag of the revolution, but altered to the German imperial colours by the addition of a white circle and a black swastika in the centre.’

  • Oh well …
  • Nancy

    What Jesus and the disciple Paul taught in terms of society was as advocacy for social justice – that we should give to the poor, care for our neighbor, “on earth as it is in heaven”. Today that is what Pope Francis is teaching. Glad to see that this author is finding the same I have – that Pope Francis and Bernie Sanders are saying the same, like “two peas in a pod.”

  • Pumpkin King

    The author of this article (Cliff Kincaid) also loves creeping tyranny, as he shows whenever he calls Snowden a traitor and defends the NSA.

  • Pumpkin King

    Well said. And Cliff Kincaid shouldn’t lecture the Pope about tyranny when this website is all the time defending the NSA. There was a time when almost every other article on this blog was calling Snowden a traitor and shilling for the NSA.

  • Pumpkin King

    Bullshit is nothing new to this blog. Cliff Kincaid is a big stooge for the NSA. there was a time when every other article was bashing Snowden. I predict those days will return with the upcoming Snowden movie.

  • gene457

    If you’re an engineer, then you’re successful, and that makes you an even a BIGGER nut! There is no free ride, and given your education, you should have enough sense to see this. When someone gets something for nothing (e.g., welfare, food stamps, public housing, educational grants), then someone else gets nothing for something (mainly, taxes). You are NEVER going to get the money for all these things by “taxing the rich” (unless you define “rich” as anyone with a job), or by “taking from the corporations”. USE YOUR HEAD!

  • gene457

    “Nobody within Bernie Sanders’ camp, nor the other Democratic candidate’s campaigns as well, are seeking to reenact what the Bolsheviks and Jacobins pulled off in Russia and France.”
    – I very much doubt that, but even if it were true, it doesn’t matter. There is a slippery slope (Yes, they DO exist), and once you take one step, the next one is not a hard one.
    You want to tell yourselves lies about the blacks and say they can’t work today because of what happened to their ancestors 150 years ago, be my guest. We both know that’s a bunch of horse shit. Face reality.

  • gene457

    If you knew ANYTHING at all of what you’re talking about, you would know that NO ONE in the USA can be denied medical treatment because of a lack of ability to pay. Read about EMTALA.

  • gene457

    And what hospital denied you treatment?

  • gene457

    What “waiting list”? WHERE????

  • gene457

    Ah, yes, there we go again. Tax the “rich”. I’ll bet you liked Robin Hood as a kid, eh?

  • gene457

    Oh, I see. So it was the mean old fat cat capitalists who came into Detroit and made the city look like a fcuking pisshole, eh? Damn! The NERVE of those guys!

    Face it, pal. The unions destroyed the auto industry in the US, and cooked their own goose. The very same thing is happening with your $15 minimum wage for McDonald’s workers. They’re now being replaced with machines! LOL!!!

    You idiots NEVER learn!

  • sweetbamboo

    no, maybe not in a hospital, but you can be denied care by doctors which results in emergency situations. my own daughter could not get primary care from a doctor and ended up having a heart attack in the middle of the night.

  • gene457

    What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?

    DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP!

    Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn’t elected
    a Republican mayor since 1961;

    Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn’t elected one since 1954;

    Cincinnati, OH (3rd)… since 1984;

    Cleveland, OH (4th)… since 1989;

    Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

    St. Louis, MO (6th)…. since 1949;

    El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor;

    Milwaukee, WI (8th)… since 1908;

    Philadelphia, PA (9th)… since 1952;

    Newark, NJ (10th)… since 1907.

    Yeah, THINK, pal.
    BTW, I live in NYC, and it has once again become a crime-filled urine-smelling cesspool, thanks to the Sandinista-supporting socialist Bill de Blasio. It took that bastard only 18 months to fuck up this great city.

  • gene457

    And you’re blaming the doctor for that? Grow up!

  • John Doe

    And how do you think I got that education?

    Public schools, followed by a private college paid for in part by federal funds from the FAFSA program and the rest from loans taken out with a cosigner that I was lucky enough to have available to me.

    What if I couldn’t get that cosigner or those programs didn’t exist? I wouldn’t be an engineer today. I’ll tell you that. I am an example of the system working.

    There are no free rides, but WE CAN elect officials to pass the laws to establish our safety nets and ladders out of poverty.

    I didn’t come from money. My mother was a drug addict and my father wasn’t around. I survived by the grace of social programs and the generosity of strangers. You would abolish those programs because what? Because “If I’m not getting them, screw everyone else” Right? That is the self-centered voice of a small and entitled man.

    These programs CAN BE and many are funded out of corporate and payroll taxes. And frankly, that it not a bad thing.

    Can people go overboard with entitlements? Absolutely.

    But single-player healthcare, legislation requiring fair wages for employees or safe / sanitary work conditions, social security to help seniors and their surviving beneficiaries, nutrition assistance programs, these things are paid for by workers while they can work and employers while they can employ people.

    That is compassion and that is fairness.

    But it’s also fiscally responsible. Would you rather have me bagging groceries while also collecting food stamps when an employer doesn’t provide a living wage or would you rather me build things and drive the economy in wiser ways?

  • John Doe

    With Blue Cross. With Tufts.

    Issue was non-life threatening, but left my wife infertile.

    1 year post-op she is fertile and we are finally able to start a family. 🙂

  • sweetbamboo

    not at all. why do you insist you know my mindset? i’ve given no such indication. you’re showing yourself to be a presumptuous asshole while so obviously missing the whole point of what and why things need changed. there’s no point in continuing any dialogue here. you’re wasting my time.

  • isis has

  • John Doe

    It’s usually not the hospital denying the operation that is the problem, but the insurance denying to pay for it, so people can’t get the operation without also obtaining debilitating debt.

  • John Doe

    Thank you Sweet Bamboo. I pride myself on being well informed. I’ve also experienced a lot. Appreciate your comments as well. 🙂

  • gene457

    It is NEVER the hospital that denies treatment. They CAN’T. Read about EMTALA. As for the insurance company not paying, I can’t comment on that, but you are naïve as sin to think you will get better treatment from government health care, as they WILL deny treatment.

  • gene457

    Typical liberal debate tactic: Call the other person a name and then run away.
    You are naïve as SIN to think that government health care is the answer to ANYTHING. I have a number of friends who lived in Eastern Europe before the Iron Curtain fell, and they say Americans are simply OUT OF THEIR MINDS to want to tinker around with socialized medicine.

  • gene457

    I used student loans as well. But Pell grants are clearly abused. And we already HAVE a number of safety nets and ladders to get people out of poverty. But like Pell grants, they are also abused. This maniac Sanders won’t do a thing to stop that abuse. He’ll only make it worse. The solution to the failure of liberalism is not more liberalism, like Obama obviously believes. He has now created an astronomical $17 TRILLION DOLLAR debt.

  • I waited 6 months to gain weight so I could have gall bladder surgery/ went into a world renown hosp, came out 6 days later with a gall bladder, no spleen and 1/2 pancreas $300,000.00
    now I can’t loose weight!! but, its been 8 years December and I am not Diabetic

  • well, just stay well…and don’t miss one single appointment if you are on SSI because you may lose your doctor…plus they will not RESCHEDULE you for a year!! You can actually lose your doctor now if You miss an appointment with no decent excuse

  • if you don’t have a doctor you get to wait and hunt around
    for one who will decide if he wants you or not. Its cause they aren’t earning what they should, and thousands have left the profession because they can’t earn more

  • it took me $75,000 in medical testing and 1 1/2 yrs to find out I had endometriosis, than that cost $ 35,000.00 but I was relieved.

  • gene457

    And you think socialized medicine will cure all that?

  • I hope you aren’t intending on going into a Community based hospital I don’t think they have to treat you. They have to “make you stable” if they want to take you somewhere else. There are 3 hospitals where I live, and they keep pushing people all over the place if they are loaded up with ppl. I know a 40 yr old who is a paramedic with a PA; and she has been in the Hospital since Aug 2nd, she has top notch insurance, but she had to stay in a hospital which had NO Vascular surgeons. The Hosp she chose, didn’t have a bed. They tried for 10 days to dissolve a blood clot, she flunked an angioplasty, then her paramedic husband/Teacher had it out with some floor nurse because she was in horrible pain. She was moved, and Last Sat. Night (1 week ago) she had open heart surgery. She is finally able to talk. She has been in a sedated state because she had open heart surgery and her VENA CAVA was stinted. She will be out of work for 3 months, and expects to be in the hospital at least another week because she needs her meds regulated (Coumadin blood thinner). They want to see the blood pressure come back down for her she said today.

  • if the hospital is community, most ambulances will take you to a “Trauma Center” so long as you don’t show urgency in anyway. Trauma Centers’ are usually there for just that, so if you go there and they have a critical case, you will sit and wait your turn., The community hospitals even charge extra annually (you pay it privately yourself) for a Private room). I am telling you because I had steady medical needs now since 1997 and the SSI & SSD has not been a total rescue, but it is so much better than having the unknown. DEBT & BILL COLLECTORS..how much will I owe…I don’t ever want to be opened up again.

  • don’t burst the bubble

  • you are kind of pissed off. Sounds like you’ve done well for yourself. Careful you don’t take any Viagra, you might get stiff very quick!! You know NY State pays $ 400.00 for a bottle of 30 pills?? To me that is waste. They don’t belong in Sex changes, the need to get out of the bedroom PERIOD. No more FREE condoms, sexual performance or lack there of, they need to defund Planned Abortions and Spay & Neuter anyone presenting Pregnant of expecting (males) if they don’t work. I am just a woman, but I have also worked hard, and I am still working despite my SSI.

  • SSI & SSD is supposed to be apart from the US government, but Man, they sure write some bad ass letters

  • Vermont is a liberal playground. He has plenty of Fields with hay for the horses, sheep and cows. Plenty to plan for in the winter, plowing all those mile high hills on Rte 91. I do think though its pretty it lost much of its innocence since Ben & Jerry’s opened. Couple nice Colleges, Rich kids abound and year round he gets lots of Tax Dollars from Recreation…and the Road & maintenance dept. So much rural land between Buffalo, NH & Presque Isle, ME I imagine it might become its own Union one day. Little bits and pieces of veterans visiting veterans in St. J and White River, Hanover Dartmouth Hitchcock where Lorena Bobbitt has his dick tied back on…once she remembered she was holding it in her hand!! BWA BWA HAHAHA!! The people have great hearts, nice homes, think little about what they will do when the GRIDS do go down permanently. Schools will be ruined from all the broken water pipes and the trucks won’t be able to run if they can’t get Diesel and heating oil. Not everybody likes wood stoves, and if they did then you would have global warming some there won’t like that. Keep Bernice North of Brattleboro so he doesn’t have too much trouble breathing. May the best man win!

  • I heard Michigan is donated to the Muslims

  • the people who’s rightful home is in the south get denied service just as much by Muslims where the negro was once denied seat or service…If they are all there legally, its all good, I don’t like it when I hear military bases were closed in Mississippi cause those people who went there were in need of training for things which were of interest in Boot camps. Maybe the buildings were run down, or maybe bama thought the Boot camp ought to be away from the south. Maybe gambling in Mississippi got out of hand? Needed to keep more in the till? Alabama is waiting on some visits from Mr. Trump. I hope that they show up well, and say some more stuff so we all have something to read next time we come in this subject. Y’all get some church tomorrow, pray like Hell for Hildabeast, and write home when you get a chance. Opie’ll be glad to get some mail.

  • But Gene, you write like my mom would say “you’re not fit to eat”! LOL
    I don’t think I would go North again. I prefer hiding here in my corner near a good hospital and near dr.’s and veterinarians Hey! they are doctors Too! I never saw people spend so much on animals in my life as I do here. I hope you guys don’t mind I climbed into your conversation, but, Like I said, there’s’ always something good to read, huh?

  • oh this is a great read to stumble over on Saturday evening! I forgot to invite you guys to Church online!! There’s a service in Las Vegas till 3 p.m. (EST) each Sunday. No one ‘ll hassle you. Its called Central Christian Church. Pastor Judd Willite. Pretty live bass band, drums, and guitars, and serious prison ministries. There’s another one up there in New Jersey has nice taped message, 9 p.m. Sat. nite; Sun 9 a.m. and 11:30 a.m. Pastor Tim Lucas great study and preaching on PRAYER. Kenny Junge is his head pastor, you can talk to Kenny anytime. live worship contemporary Bible based and that’s Called LIQUID CHURCH…no one will bug you, and when you sign in or sign up they don’t talk to you unless you say hi. Then, if you want some REAL FIRE and Brimstone, you might look at youtube for Mr. Levi Price. He is a street Preacher, and he will converse with you if you contact him through FB. Just throwing it out to you cause I try to share in conversation. I would not be here NOW IF I DID’NT KNOW JESUS CHRIST. feel free to write me back

  • so, have you stopped long enough to realize how much the fast and furious in DC are going to be slinging at us all in one month or so??

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/the-mystery-of-september-23-why-does-923-keep-popping-up-all-over-the-place

    But without a doubt, the month of September does appear to be extremely significant. In a recent article, I detailed some of the things that will be happening next month…
    September 14th – Rosh Hashanah
    September 15th – The Jade Helm military exercises are scheduled to end.

    September 15th – The 70th session of the UN General Assembly begins on this date. It has been widely reported that France plans to introduce a resolution which will give
    formal UN Security Council recognition to a Palestinian state shortly after the new session begins. Up until now, the U.S. has always been the one blocking such a resolution, but Barack Obama has already indicated that things may be different this time around. If alarm bells are going off in
    your head as you read this, then you probably already understand how significant this event could potentially be.

    September 20th to September 26th – The “World Week For Peace in Palestine Israel” sponsored by the World Council of Churches.
    September 21st – The UN International Day Of Peace.
    Could this be the day when the UN Security Council resolution establishing a Palestinian state is actually adopted?
    September 23rd – Yom Kippur

    September 23rd – Pope Francis arrives at the White House to meet with Barack Obama. Some have suggested that the timing of this event is highly unusual…Francis
    is the 266th pope who will be meeting with President Obama on the 266th day of the year, leading one Internet preacher to wonder if “something is being birthed” on that day, since 266 days is the typical human gestation period from conception to birth.
    September 24th – The Pope addresses a joint session of the U.S. Congress.
    September 25th to September 27th – The United Nations is going to launch a brand new sustainable development agenda called “The 2030 Agenda“. The following is an excerpt from an article that I just wrote about this insidious new plan…If you didn’t like “Agenda 21?, then you really are not going to like “The 2030 Agenda”. Next month, the United Nations is going to launch “The 2030 Agenda” at a major conference that will be held from
    September 25th to September 27th in New York City. The Pope is actually traveling to New York to deliver an address which will kick off this conference. Unlike Agenda 21,
    which primarily focused on the environment, the 2030 Agenda is truly a template for governing the entire planet. In addition to addressing climate change, it also sets ambitious goals for areas such as economics, health, energy, education, agriculture, gender equality and a whole host of other issues. As you will see below, this global initiative is being billed as a “new universal Agenda” for humanity. If you are anything like me, alarm bells are going off in
    your head right about now.

  • I am not the “I” mentioned in the post directly above. I posted the link at the top of the block, incase that you doubt its origin.

  • Ryan Kelly

    EMTALA applies to EMERGENCY medical conditions and women in labor. So she’d have to wait until she’s dying from the problem to be treated for it, and even then she would just be stabilized, the underlying problem wouldn’t be fixed until she could pay for it.

  • you are the one who is inquisitive about hospitals and dr’s taking so long. be nice. good night.

  • LaDiablaBlanca

    Those are all examples of socialism. Both the ones that work, and the ones that dont. All the public fixtures, the roads, the freeways, the highways, the fire department, the schools, the post office, and yes, even all those things you call ‘entitlements,’ even though we pay for all of them with our tax dollars, and social security is funded entirely by workers. Perhaps when you are done villanizing someone based on a term you dont understand that well, you can look into what Bernie Sanders actually represents, and see him for what he is, a good man, a hard worker, and a person who loves the people first and foremost.

  • Steven Barrett

    You’re most welcome Lori, we’ve gotta give the Right a reminder of what Nixon said on Laugin In decades ago, “Sock it to ’em,” but unlike Tricky Dicky, who said it with a touch of Woody Allen wimpiness, we can show ’em today’s liberals, lefties and conservatives who remember what being a conservative really meant, not just one who ascribed to the latest talking points flushed out by the gang trolling over at Heritage, can indeed and will indeed Sock it back to ’em. Hell, let’s just call today’s “conservatives” out for what they are, 19th century economic exploiting romanticists. They can’t get enough of the “good ol’ days” and real leaders like Francis and Bernie have ’em shaking in their penny loafers.

  • Steven Barrett

    My brothers and I were military dependents. Both them later served in the Army and they and their families received excellent health care. Later on one of my brothers was diagnosed one afternoon with a possible immediate heart attack and was rushed into surgery the next day. He was both a military retiree and then-employeed state employee who received his heart bypass surgery at his state university’s hospital. Gov’t gov’t gov’t … see a pattern here? I’m damn grateful for the service I’ve received as a dependent and was later able to receive as both a federal employee and later on, as an employee of two different state’s government. My parents received excellent care thanks to my father’s service in both the Air Force where he retired as an officer after a quarter century’s service to his country and subsequently 16 yrs of service to his home state’s university system, where my mother was diagnosed for cancer and given more than adequate care, they gave her an additional five years of life.
    A dear friend of mine after finishing his tour of duty as an ROTC doctor who later served overseas in Germany, came back to the States not to make a big name and lots of dollars; but instead to build from scratch one of the nation’s first HMO’s, (Valley Medical Group, which began in Amherst, MA). He later left the VMG to build again, from scratch up, one of MA’s first and eventually largest state of the art full service Community Health Clinics (Holyoke, MA) which has done wonders in providing service to that city’s poorest residents at the same time the Catholic diocese and Sisters of Providence was gradually reducing their health care facilities (due to costs.) The taxpayers of not only Holyoke, a dying but once proud industrial city, but other cities around impacted by a growing number of poor and barely getting by middle class folks . . . many of them who were shafted by their private employers who left them for cheaper economic climes … and I’m not just talking about temperatures, but tax and employee costs savings. You don’t have to understand Spanish or Chinese to figure out where I’m talking about. Well, maybe there were some places where Y’all’s the major daily greetings. Gov’t gov’t gov’. Get the picture? And if we don’t have that, then what, more epidemics; more people not able to show up for work? How’s that help the economy? Forgetting to see this picture is bad enough. But this is what really pisses me off to no end when the discussions about Obamacare pop up. Nothing saddens, sickens and/or yes indeed, really pisses me off more than to hear people out of my family, ,who I know have benefitted greatly from a single payers system which they received as military folks or dependents of federal and/or state employees . . . bitch and bellyache about “… having to pay for somebody else’s health care.” I really wonder, would they say this to somebody they knew worked for their local police and fire departments or schools? At one time not even so long ago, nobody but the worst and most selfishly motivated blockheads who never tire of counting their pennies and making others “accountable” for any shortcomings they have to (sighhhhh) endure …. you know ’em … lifetime cheapskates. Sadly, thanks to the damn Tea Party, conservative radio shock jocks, Fox (esp. the shock jocks and Fox) and their guardian angels, the Priebus-era GOP, this “why should I pay for somebody else’s health care” whine has become more and more prevalent.
    If that’s the way they want it, it’s high time liberals, moderates and the more responsible-thinking conservatives we have left should start asking why should we be paying for the health care of any Republican congressman or senator who fought and voted against Obamacare, and was willing to go along with sticking it to Medicare, Medicaid and their favorite target of ’em all, besides SNAP, Social Security. What’s good for the whiny geese is good enough for the rest of us non-pompously whiney “fiscal conservatives” who have to pay for all the extra benefits available for our federal legislators that they want to deny to others. This is directed directly at blatant hypocrites like Ted Cruz and of course, the ever generous Republican Congressman Stephen Fincher (R-Frog Jump, TN) who had the jewels to stand on the House Floor and cite the Bible to defend his vote as a member of the House Agcmte to cut SNAP and Meals on Wheels all the while he was legally able to vote himself a nice subsidy.
    But in Cliff Kincaid’s weltgeist, Pope Francis and Senator Sanders are the double-boogey men we have to watch out for. If this isn’t a death rattle for a once respectable ideological perspective on life as well as politics and economics … sigh, I just don’t know what else to call it.

  • Steven Barrett

    John, this is what happened for years before Obamacare put an end to legal thievery whereby the insurance companies were able to legall accept premiums paid in full by the insurers and/or some partial arrangement set up by the employers. Well now, the rubes, proles, unenlightened unwashed or ill-educated masses who “obviously didn’t have a clue” to how bizness works in the real world, were kept in the dark about “pre-existing conditions” to the point that most of us, some of whom later were elected to Congress, were caught totally unaware that if their present insurer found out that at some time a past insurance company put it on record that x number of dollars were spent to cover the use of Y number of bandaids . . . guess what, it was hoops n’ ladders time and the people needing the insurance found future ladders with busted rungs and past ladders pulled out from underneath them, (along with any other safety net programs the GOP could find to chop or simply white out. This is what the jerks born on third base with nobody covering home … that just managed to get elected to congress thanks to GOP paid for gerrymandering schemes … DO NOT want to admit to. It’s simply grand theft. Actually, it’s not so grand, but using the terminology offers some ironic purpose.

  • Steven Barrett

    sweetbamboo, you’re making too much sense, and you too john doe. I’ll bet the staff wasn’t antcipating this amount of responses on behalf of good government and common sense.

  • BG

    My first thought is, a lot of people would go berserk if we dared imply we should do anything resembling what was done in the church. My second thought is that was very unusual circumstances. People had traveled from all over to come to Jerusalem. When they heard the Good News of salvation, thousands believed and were baptized. They were celebrating and enjoying their time there, but finally after staying longer than planned, the practical things of necessities for all those people needed to be addressed. Many of the ones living there began to sell their own possessions to help the travelers. They did it out of love for God and each other….. except for one man and his wife.

    Acts 5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet. 3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
    Notice verse 4.
    “Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal.” The people weren’t being forced to give. It was strictly voluntary.
    If you read further in Acts it mentions some who had begun to take advantage and were told, “He who does not work, will not eat.” Another place the scriptures say, A man who doesn’t support his own is worse than an infidel. Socialism and Communism that allows the government to take the benefits of labor from others by force and decide who will receive it is basically making people slaves. I think workers have to work almost half a year before they start to really keep that for which they worked. And even when people have used their own resources whether knowledge, money or sweat and managed to build a wealthy company, it is not to the country’s advantage to take it from them because they are often employing others who then are able to provide for themselves and others. Capitalism may not be perfect, but nothing is. It gives incentive to invent, improve and generate goods and services that help the economy. Only the holiest of people are going to get excited about getting up and going to work everyday to provide for people they don’t know, although Americans have always been very generous. I know I don’t trust the President or any Pope who live like kings to spend wisely or even “spread” it to people who really are in need.

  • BG

    Really? responsible, conscientious and forward thinking….I would like to believe that, but I can’t. Bernie Sanders is just an older Obama. I can’t find that he’s ever done anything but be a politician. Our world is on fire. We need someone who knows how to get things done, how to inspire, how to bring us together ….and I’m not talking about Trump. I don’t even know who it is, but I sure hope we stop this falling for pretty speeches that tickle our ears soon!

  • John Doe

    You’ll have some of the same delays you get with private healthcare, but the delays will be based on practicality and safety, rather then shareholder profit. What I’m illustrating here is the fact that waiting lists happen in healthcare regardless if you come from a private or public insurance option.
    For my wife, why wouldn’t Tufts accept the pre-requisites / waiting period already completed trough the Blue Cross Program and force a restart? Profitability. The idea that 1 year later, we may not be with them and they could save money. We got it in the end, but profitability should not factor into surgical scheduling.

  • John Doe

    “If you’re an engineer, then you’re successful, and that makes you an even a BIGGER nut!” – Gene457

    “So your comment makes you out to be a liar or else a total imbecile.” – Gene457

    “Grow up!” – Gene457

    “What an IDIOT!” – Gene457

    “Face it, pal. You are just a life long loser, and it shows.” – Gene457

    And I’m not even going to touch the “porch monkey” comment. That speaks for itself.

    Gene, what have you been told about people in glass houses? Can you tell me again who is doing this, because it sure isn’t the “liberal”.

    Donald? Is that you? :-p

  • John Doe

    This all comes down to one simple fact. Obama did not create the debt. The Iraq / Afghanistan wars and Bush era tax cuts did.

    Reversing these cuts will stop the bleeding, but we still have a large wound to heal.

    A little light reading. http://www.cbpp.org/research/economic-downturn-and-legacy-of-bush-policies-continue-to-drive-large-deficits?fa=view&id=3849

  • Hillary Clinton is an older Obama. There is nothing in Sanders’ history to indicate that, if elected president, he would become another puppet of the establishment.

    As for the fallacy that Washington can be fixed ONLY by electing a non-politician, why is it that anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together gives it any credibility? (We’ve elected a businessman/jackass once in recent memory. How did that work out for us?) What makes you think being political tyro 1) would make a person any more capable of orchestrating a political agenda than someone who knew what he or she was doing; or 2) would make such a person any less susceptible to special interests?

  • sweetbamboo

    thank you! it’s good to know there are other people out there as well who can see things from a rational and realistic perspective. the dumbing down of america due to media (especially fox news) and here-say really shows it’s ugly head through these online mediums.

  • sweetbamboo

    point well made John Doe. kudos.

  • Steven Barrett

    “Solidarity for-ever, Solidarity for-ever …” Remember when the Righties couldn’t fall over each other’s big right foot fast enough to show their support for Lech Walesa’s “Solidarity” movement and John Paul II?

    You’re more than welcome, sweetbamboo!

    Yogi Berra’s famous for offering up two memorable quotes on top of his stupendous Hall of Fame quality service for the Yankees after returning from WWII (where he piloted a naval landing craft near Pont du Hoc on DDay). The first that comes to mind is “de ja vus all over again.” Then there was this classic, “if you see a fork in the middle of the road, take it.” He might well have been influenced by a huge modern art “statement artwork” in the shape of a fork plunked in a park situated smack where NY State highways 308/199 northeast of Rhinebeck. Maybe today’s top of conservativism’s hardest of the hard cores have indeed come to a proverbial fork and decided to use the biggest fork they could use time after time to just stick it to liberals for the sake of sticking it. Lots of fun, right. Certainly pays well for guys like Limbaugh and did wonders for keeping the political careers of political wheeler-dealer hacks like Karl Rove and Fred Luntz long after their true talents and usefulness to serious political discourse has passed. Seriously, what have spinners of negativity for negativity’s sake done to improve politics and attract more talented people to become more involved in political activities? When they see the spinmeisters of both parties making huge, scandalously huge sums for their talents in trash-talking the other guy or gal down to dust, not to mention any of the same ideas they might share with these candidates, what’s left for would-be talented people to say “Hey, I’d like to get involved, too, and not just to make a killing by killing other people’s intelletual reputations and careers”? The would-be interested folks standing by the sides have every reason to be wary because even if they come up with great ideas to help either party and the country as a whole … all because they see articles like this posted by Cliff trashing both the Pope and Bernie Sanders.
    It’s worth noting that then Bishiop/later Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio was a silent, but very effective voice against the Argentinian Junta. The Left complains Bergoglio didn’t speak out enough. Easy enough for them to say. But the Catholic Right in this nation does in a very understated way acknowledge the future Pope’s witness against the Right in his homeland during the time it was dropping nuns out of helicopters over the bay north of Buenos Aires, and of course, beating dissidents to death or near death in an abandoned military barracks. But where was the American Right where they had no reason to worry about getting the both real and proverbial “knock on the door” up here? They were supporting the Junta, just as they supported Somoza and the anti-Sandinista forces they couldn’t wait for the American taxpayers to foot the bill for their war against the Sandinistas. Hey, back then I supported that BS before I wised up. But I guess that’s the difference, I “wised up” which is far more than I can say about many of today’s Rightists who still haven’learned a damn thing from the early to mid 80s. They had the same facts, if not more, available to them than 99 percent of the American public.

  • Bob

    Just let the Pope start supporting ANY candidate and he will lose members worldwide by the droves! I wouldn’t be going there, not smart. He’s not that dumb, the Vatican loves the bling-bling and the cash in their private bank! Not happening!

  • gene457

    Go fcuk yourself, socialist retard. And go start your long-threatened civil war. What a PLEASURE it will be to fight against you un-American bastards.

  • gene457

    Clearly, the government never treated your mental illness, as you are an absolute NUT.

  • John Doe

    I love my country.

    Who said anything about a war? I’m going to use my votes to enact reasonable fixes by getting the people who have what I feel the best solutions are. And you will do the same. We won’t necessarily agree.

    That’s what makes us powerful. We aren’t beholden to one way of thinking in this country. We get to take the best of both worlds.

    Free market capitalism, but also an FDIC. Self defense gun rights and a strong Millitary. Social security to help the most vulnerable among us, but also incentive to invest personally.

    We are one people of many ideas. That’s my America . The great melting pot.

    Send us your tired and your poor. I love this country.

    Why else would I argue with a nut job like you?

  • John Doe

    As an aside, I’m no socialist. Not by a long shot.

    I’m a regulated capitalist.

    Bernie is a democratic socialist.

    There is a fine line that divides these two hybrid economic theories.

    I don’t need to have the exact same political / economic beliefs as the person I am voting for, so long as I feel they are operating in my best interest.

    My best interest right now is limiting the ability of people to rig elections and bribe politicians. The lobbyists are infecting both parties right now. Trump proved it during the GOP debate by getting Huckabee to grovel for campaign contributions during a debate.

    Bernie Sanders is the best hope of fixing that by a long shot.

  • Maria-Erlinda Martinez

    Sanders hides behind the label of “democratic-socialism”, insinuating that he is either a Fabian or a Bernsteinist, but his lexicon and praxis betrays him, marking him as a Marxism-proper socialis (i.e., socialism as just a steppingstone toward communism)t.

    In Chapter V –The Economic Basis of the Withering Away of the State [such disappearance one more trademarks of socialism’s/communism’s primitivism or regressivism , i.e., making human society retreat to proto-societal, hunter-gatherer, and even hominid -like societal conditions]– of his seminal pamphlet Sate and Revolution, Lenin goes to great lengths dissecting Marx’s 1875 denouncement and condemnation of the Gotha Program of the German Social Democratic Workers Party –aka Social Democratic Workers’ Party of Germany (SDAP), and the current German SPD in its infancy– expounding Marx’s dialectically materialistic interpretation (THE CORRECT one) of history regarding that socialism is a necessary and inevitable lower phase of communism, that is, “lite” communism as a steppingstone towards “the ultimate aim”: full-fledged communism, the highest phase of communism.

    Someone of journalistic stature must challenge Sanders to 1- publicly, loudly and explicitly repudiate Marxism; 2- define whether he is either a Fabian or a Bernsteinist, with the understanding that, anyway, either of these two methodologies to “achieve” socialism in society are –whether willing or unwilling– the inevitable gates toward communism.

  • gene457

    “Bernie Sanders is the best hope of fixing that by a long shot.”
    – You’re simply out of your mind, but what can I say?

  • John Doe

    Listen, there are 2 people campaigning that aren’t bought by special interests. Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

    And Donald Trump admits to legally bribing other candidates on both sides of the aisle.

    Both say it should be fixed, but only Bernie has presented a plan to do it.

    Bernie Sanders has a huge track record of fighting this fight. Trump is a late addition. Right now, Bernie is a rarity: an honest politician. He’s also been a very capable legislator with a history of crossing the aisle as an independent in the Senate.

    Even GOP members who disagree with him have praised his honesty.

    #feelthebern 🙂

  • Steven Barrett

    gene457, what are your qualifications to judge the mental health of another person? And BTW, can’t you come up with a more ingenious cheap shot?

  • Steven Barrett

    Sweetbamboo … Yesterday Gene was a political scribbler wannabe. Today he’s trying to pose as a psychrink. Yeah Gene, that’s one of my favorite re-spelling of a familiar word. I had to put this disclaimer in … just in case.

  • Maria-Erlinda Martinez

    Jesus preached individual, sporadic, and voluntary charity, although Peter and others abused it by going intof 1- collective, systemic, and compulsory distribution of wealth (Acts 4.32 – Acts.37. ); and 2- violence and terror as retribution to those who didn’t conform (Acts 5.1 – Acts 5-11), these being the true “basis” of, respectively, 1-socialism and 2-Bolshevism in Theology of “Liberation”, which is what Jorge-Mario “Pope Francis” Bergoglio adheres to, and what many Christians of all denominations and sects have been bamboozled into embracing. Of course, there is also Apostolic Socialism and Apostolic Communism, the two overlapping Theology of “Liberation”. Yes, Sanders and Bergoglio are, ideologically, “two peas in a pod”.

  • AndRebecca

    Capitalism has benefited this country in the ways you’ve stated, not socialism. You are confused. You should read the Marxist trinity writers. They would have appreciated your propaganda, but If you really believe what you have stated here, you are confused. A useful idiot, they would have called you. We had the roads, parks, and schools, military, you name it, before socialism got off the ground. Remember, the dead white guys did all that stuff and kept it away from everybody else? White privilege, police protection of the middle class whites? It’s hard to keep the lies straight isn’t it?

  • AndRebecca

    That is a total lie.

  • AndRebecca

    What a crock.

  • AndRebecca

    We’ve had taxpayer paid medicine in this country for years. We’ve had treatment for indigent people through the county hospital system all over the nation. All the unwed mothers get pregnancy care and delivery care. Poor people have gotten free treatment for a hundred years or more. We used to have what was called a two tiered medical system. Those who could self pay or had insurance did that, and the ones who couldn’t still got treatment thanks to the taxpayers. Anyone who has needed mandatory vaccines for their job or for traveling overseas should know about our public health care system. All the refugees we have coming here have gotten free healthcare for years now. It is amazing and disturbing what goes on around people that they are unaware of. Good grief, no wonder they think the Feds have do everything for them, they are incapable of handing much of anything themselves.

  • AndRebecca

    So now we all get delays due to your problem with others going before you. Your wife didn’t have much of a problem if she could wait a year for treatment. Your delay was because the surgery was not all that necessary. Still you complain.

  • John Doe

    Would you care to elaborate on my personal experiences with Health Insurance and how those experiences are invalid because they don’t fit into your perfect little theology? Because I am ALL ears.

  • John Doe

    We pay for the insurance, so we have every right to complain about a year of 2 years of beurocracy. I’d still have that right if I was paying it out of my taxes instead of my payroll.

    So expanding medicare to cover all Americans will create increased waiting lists. Why? Because we’re magically going to need more surgeries? Please explain.

  • AndRebecca

    It’s my theology? Would you care to elaborate? I’m all ears. I worked in the health care field and had health insurance and have known all sorts of people with insurance and without it. Your story sounds a little farfetched. And besides, sometimes in life you actually have to pay for things that are not covered by insurance. Be the man.

  • John Doe

    I have elaborated. We lived through it. It was a giant pain in the rear full of physical / emotional ups and downs.

    What I’m getting at is that the wait time problem isn’t one driven by private vs government insurance. Waits will happen. That is the nature of the beast sometimes. Availability of qualified surgeons, anesthesiologists, physical and psychological evaluation periods. These are insurance independent.

    But a single payer system will reduce administrative overhead, lead to better price negotiation leverage to lower the cost of procedures and drugs. Taking the shareholder profit goal from insurance will lower prices.

    There are systems that make sense to be private. Health insurance is not one of them. Additionally, hooking healthcare to employer benefits hinders the ability for employees to “vote with their feet” to find better opportunities if they have health concerns for themselves or a dependent.

  • AndRebecca

    Have you seen what Obamacare pays for? I know a man making $35,000 a year. He has no insurance. He is self pay because he doesn’t get sick. He has paid taxes like all of us for the county hospitals and indigent care. He was told to sign up for Obamacare or be fined. He paid the fine. The cheapest Obamacare for him would cost him $300.00 a month with a $7000.00 deductible, and 20% co-pay. Basically he would have less than no insurance with Obamacare because with paying $300 a month, he will never have the $7000.00 he needs meet his deductible. He will go totally broke if he ever gets sick, where he wouldn’t now. Let’s say he goes to the emergency room and it costs him $500.00. He will have to pay it. And, he won’t have the money for it, due to the $300 every month. This same thing is happening to other people. The working class is paying more for the healthcare for others than they already were, and cannot access the care themselves without paying out of pocket.

  • John Doe

    And you wonder why people like me would suggest a single payer solution paid for by a progressive tax?

    Obamacare was a mistake that further tied us to the broken healthcare marketplace. Not a fan of the individual mandate either.

    Understand the economics of it and why it is critical to the law. Hate the precedent that it set.

  • AndRebecca

    You didn’t elaborate on what I asked you to. I am sorry you had a pain in the rear due to the insurance company trying to keep costs down for the Rest Of Us! Government by its nature will cause longer waits, and already health care costs more. The health care in this country had made it possible for more people to get operations and the rest it. Do you really think you get the same treatment in other countries as in the U.S.? The last time I drove by a hospital complex, there were all sorts of doctors offices, lab facilities, etc. for sale or rent. But, since you can’t tell we have had great healthcare, you won’t notice not having it I’m sure.

  • AndRebecca

    The healthcare system was only broken because the Democrats have been working to break it for years. Remember Hillary care? We had a two tiered system which was fairly cheap for everyone. Insurance premiums were cheap, and taxes were cheap. By the time the Clintons came along, the Feds had passed laws to give free care for about 50% of the population and would not pay the hospitals and doctors for their actual costs. We’ve been paying for the whole thing all along, it just actually worked better before the Dems picked at it. And, now we’ll have Cuban style care, bring you own sheets to the hospital and leeches, since the MRI and antibiotics are out.

  • John Doe

    It’s elsewhere in the thread. Posted it well before you asked.

    We have great healthcare in this country, but a broken insurance industry.

    When we are paying close to 10,000 per person per year for healthcare each year, near 20% of our GDP and we aren’t all covered, there is a problem with our spending.

    This requires common sense central administration. Government can be slim when it needs to be and it’s in its best interest to cut costs.

    Medicare is a very well run program that is extremely cost effective. Expanding it is a common sense solution to our health coverage problems in this country.

    Perfectly fine with a tax hike that detaches insurance from my employer benefits. And guarantees me healthcare as a right regardless of my future situations.

  • AndRebecca

    Health care insurance was cheaper and better before government got involved in it. We do not need a communist healthcare system. The Left is about destroying (changing) America. Things are not getting better with the Communist in Chief and they won’t, because they aren’t supposed to.

  • John Doe

    Remember when Hillary Care didn’t get passed and the rest of the garbage you just spewed was completely wrong / laced with fear-mongering?

  • AndRebecca

    Oh, I get it. I was right when I said “What a crock.” You’re a commie and want you Leftie care.

  • John Doe

    I agree that we don’t need a “communist” healthcare system. I believe we need a “socialist” health insurance system with checks and balances insured through democratic process.

    The left wants to bring back the middle class. I sure as hell do.

  • John Doe

    Commies don’t like me and my “capitalist propaganda”.

    I recognize the benefits of different economic systems providing checks and balance. I love free market economics, but I recognize the need for certain rules / restrictions / basic societal protections outside of the risks / whims of the free market.

    My zero line isn’t absolute zero, but I’ve got one. 🙂

  • John Doe

    So let’s talk for a minute about extreme positions. What would you do with all of the current funds the US government spends on healthcare? How about medicaid?

    What are your thoughts on social security? The postal service? Public Roads and utilities?

  • AndRebecca

    The only difference between a communist and a socialist is one believes in a bloody revolution and the other one doesn’t, or so they claim. The ends are the same. No individualism, no private property, and no Christianity and no Christian style family and no capitalism. A one party system with the rulers and the ruled. All types of Marxism are anti-American. The Left does not want to bring back the Middle Class because they are Christian Capitalists. Why the lies?

  • AndRebecca

    So you are a fascist. You’re covered under the umbrella of Marxism.

  • AndRebecca

    V.I. Lenin spoke about the United States Postal System. He liked it because it was made to be inefficient. He didn’t like the part about it as being support of Capitalism. You know George Washington really knew what he was doing. The postal system was there from the beginning, road work was there from the beginning. public schools were there from the beginning. They are capitalistic. So is the power grid system. Just because money is pooled together to get something doesn’t mean we don’t hand the job over to a company to do it and have them make a profit. We pool our money to do the roads today, where each individual used to be responsible for working on them in person on the local level. The big projects-bridges-roads-pioneer support projects were given to the Capitalists to handle from the beginning. The entire country has been literally built from the ground up through the capitalistic system. Social Security and Medicaid are good up to a point which has been long passed. I’m for some SS and Medicare for those who have actually put into the system. The towns in America were set up to care for the poor and the ill from the beginning.

  • John Doe

    You are either confused, stupid or a troll.

    Until you learn the definition of a term, you probably shouldn’t use it.

    I’m a capitalist. 🙂 I just recognize that if you believe in a nation state at all, that state has certain functions.

    To me, one of those functions is to ensure the health and safety of its citizens.

    That doesn’t make me a commie any more then you are anarchist. Actually, you haven’t said much about your political stances. Maybe you are one.

  • gene457

    Exactly!!!!

  • gene457

    Go join your “Gimme dat” socialist friends. Time to go to the welfare office with your hand out.
    My God, how can you live like that? Don’t you have ANY self-respect?

  • gene457

    One doesn’t need ANY special training to see how off-balance you are.

  • AndRebecca

    You’re the troll. I believe in our Constitution. It covers many things. It is there to support the people in our country in certain ways and not in others. You’ve implied that you are a commie… If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.

  • gene457

    I just love these morons here who try to argue that public facilities such as streets, highways, parks, street lights, police, fire protection, ambulance corps, sewers, sanitation, postal services, and even the military(!) are examples of socialism. Try telling the government of Saudi Arabia, which is an absolute monarchy, that it is actually socialist because they have a military. See how quickly your head gets handed to you.

    I wonder if you morons can distinguish between public facilities such as streets, highways, parks, street lights, police, fire protection, ambulance corps, sewers, sanitation, postal services, and like (which are found in ANY country), versus SOCIALIST ENTITLEMENTS like welfare, food stamps, Pell grants, social security, medicare, public housing, Obamacare, most of which is a disaster. I know Fauxchahontas can’t, but perhaps a few of you were not educated in a failed union-run inner city public school, and might be able to see the distinction.

    But hey, if you idiots want to call public facilities “socialism”, fine with me. I always blamed the terrible crime problem, the terrible pothole problem in NYC, the terrible traffic on the highways, the slow mail system, and other public facilities problems on inept and corrupt bureaucrats and politicians. I’m glad I can blame socialism instead. Just one more reason why we don’t need it,

  • John Doe

    You are wrong. Completely and unequivocally wrong on this statement.

    They are completely different from one another.

    And democratic socialism takes socialism even further away from communism by merging a democratic political system with a socialist economic system.

    These types of governments exist in england, canada, scandanavia, etc… they work. Many of these programs already exist in the United States. Socialism is not a bad word, but communism / marxism are. I don’t see a lack of individualism, or Christianity in those countries.

    You are wrong. And I strongly suggest reading up on this.

  • John Doe

    You are very confused. Do you need to see a doctor? I’m sure you can pay for it out of pocket and stay off those red roads.

    As an aside, the U.S. constitution is one of the greatest documents ever written.

    We can at least find some common ground there.

  • John Doe

    Those are all socialist programs as defined by economists. They are not capitalist programs.

    I agree that they prop up capitalism / provide a basic security net and that is why I support them.

    At this point, if you are in support of these programs, we are arguing semantics.

    The word socialism does not mean the same thing as it means to you. What you call socialism, I call totalitarian communism.

    What I call socialism, you say you support. Just not by name.

    I think if you lose the word for a minute and contemplate the policy itself without the word, you may look at it differently.

  • Steven Barrett

    Where’s yours with that unoriginal reply? C’mon. Don’t you have enough self-respect of your own to avoid relying on and passing along trite n’ stale references to welfare? Ho hum, gawd, I need another cuo o’Joe.

  • AndRebecca

    Thank you!

  • AndRebecca

    Before Marxism ever came into existence, we had Christian charity– and atheists attacking Christians. We had all sorts of public services based on a Capitalist system. We started the common schools in order to promote religion(Protestant Christianity) because it is good for society. You really need to read or do something. Your beliefs are based on lies. They’ve had massive wars and uprisings in Europe since the French Revolution started by the socialists and a big part of the turmoil had to do with getting rid of Christianity…The Jacobins… And, here we go again, you don’t see a lack of individualism or Christianity in those countries. Unbelievable. And, of course you missed the part about the U.S. having to step in over there twice to keep them from killing themselves. As for reading, I have read up on this.

  • AndRebecca

    Yup, a Marxist. Out to convert the world to the wonders of the socialist brand of Marxism. You are pink, not red. Our roads built by Christian capitalists have always been the envy of the world. Along with the Erie Canal, the Hoover Dam, and the whole infrastructure of this nation.

  • AndRebecca

    Did it ever occur to you that the economists of today are Marxist? This country was built by capitalism. The roads and everything in it, built by capitalism. Your brainwashing has gone well.

  • John Doe

    Capitalism – An economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

    Socialism – A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Communism – A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

    Democratic socialism – A political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, involving a combination of political democracywith social ownership of the means of production.

    These are all different things.

    I believe in a hybrid Democratic Socialist / capitalist economic system alongside a democratic political system, which is what we already have in the US even if we don’t like to call it by name.

  • Maria-Erlinda Martinez

    Wow, great reply yours is…but, SOCIALIST ENTITLEMENTS? Rather call if for what its is: SOCIALIST PLUNDER, or SOCIALIST PILLAGE, SOCIALIST ROBBERY, and so forth. Do not contribute to giving acceptance –yes, I know, the term has been used in this context for decades, but usage doesn’t make things good, e.g., murder, with us…since humans came into being– to terms whose meaning the the hardcore-Left has diametrically distorted and has –thus distorted– subtly, slowly, gradually infusing into day to day American lexicon. BTW, a friend of mine is coming up with a booklet on what she calls “Ideological Thesaurus of Terms the Left Has Corrupted and Subtly Infused in American Language”. How come can plunder, robbery, pillage, loot, forage be genuinely associated to meaning of entitlement. It is like “liberal” vs “leftist”, when leftism inherently carries within it the curtail, and even the abolition of liberty, the latter being the etimological and semantic root of “liberal”.. Duh?

  • John Doe

    Remember when ExxonMobil built the highways and when Microsoft installed a sewer system in Silicon Valley to keep their offices from stinking? Me either.

    Taxes were collected,. Gas taxes / income taxes / property taxes… And money was spent to build those things.

    You’re using libertarian words, but I don’t think you understand them…

    You are confusing ideologies. And I think you could benefit from reading some of Bernie Sanders policy proposals without the fear blinders on.

    You may disagree with some of them. But he’s not a boogeyman. He is a man with a sincere love for this country and some very good ideas.

    http://www.feelthebern.org

  • John Doe

    “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” – Inigo Montoya

  • AndRebecca

    What we have in the United States today is called post-Capitalism, post-Christian, post-Modern. Socialism. At least you get that. The country started out modern, Christian, and capitalist. Now, since you don’t believe me, due to your lack of knowledge, here are some things you can google to enlighten yourself: the construction of the Erie Canal, the Phelps Gorham Purchase, the book the “Three Faces of Marxism” by Wolfgang Leonhard, 1974. Now, you can also look up maps of the first world,second world, the third world (not world wars.) You believe what Hillary, Obama, the CPUSA, and Bernie Sanders believe. You don’t believe in the Constitution or in the way the Founders made the country. After WWII we started “changing” the country into the socialist third world pit with communist overtones. That’s why we have the social problems we have. We would be in a better place without the socialism, and so would the rest of the world. They’ve had democratic socialism in Europe longer than here and they are in worse shape than we are in every way.

  • AndRebecca

    Do you remember when road construction companies built the roads, and when the local incorporated towns or a local water company business would build a sewer system to go along with the water system? When builders would have contractors bid on jobs to put in the electricity, water, sewer? How about those cement companies? Brick companies?Amazing how they used their property and profits to do these things. You do know you have electricity going to you house, and Microsoft didn’t put it in for you. Ever play with blocks as a child?

  • John Doe

    By George. I think she’s getting there!

    Who paid those companies and where did the money come from?

  • AndRebecca

    Inigo Montoya doesn’t think I know what Marxism means?? Let’s see if my dictionary knows what Marxism means: n. The political and economic ideas of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels as developed into a system of thought that gives class struggle a primary role in leading society from bourgeois democracy under capitalism to a socialist society and thence to Communism. In Marxism-Leninism the struggle switches from developed countries to undeveloped countries. Are you down for the struggle?

  • John Doe

    Confirmation

  • AndRebecca

    The capitalists were paid back through people paying for their services with money earned on their jobs. You must be on welfare. Stocks and bonds are sometimes involved.

  • AndRebecca

    Hopefully you have sense enough to believe my American Heritage Dictionary’s definition, although it does take a brain to comprehend what a dictionary means. Since communism is meant for stirring up the lower classes, no brains are needed to believe in it.

  • John Doe

    Ooh ooh ooh!

    Time to lob insults and post definitions?

    You are greedy, uneducated and completely brainwashed by conservative media.

    Definition time? Hey look. I already defined some terms that are relevant to this conversation. Look at that! 🙂

    Capitalism – An economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

    Socialism – A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    Communism – A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

    Democratic socialism – A political ideology advocating a democratic political system alongside a socialist economic system, involving a combination of political democracywith social ownership of the means of production.

    These are all different things.

    I believe in a hybrid Democratic Socialist / capitalist economic system alongside a democratic political system, which is what we already have in the US even if we don’t like to call it by name.

  • John Doe

    This engineer believes that you are full of shit and afraid to answer this question honestly.

  • AndRebecca

    You got capitalism right. It’s the only way to go. Sorry you can’t handle the truth with the dictionary, though. Of course the people who edited it did make money off of it, I hope a lot. The first world countries have lots of money due to the basis of Christian capitalism. Socialism: 1. a. A social system where the producers possess both the political power and the means of producing and distributing the goods. b. The theory or practice of those who support such a system, and with c we are back to those old Marxists again…can’t get around them with socialism…Sounds great on paper, but does not work well in reality. That’s why the crony-Capitalists love it so much. Who exactly owns what in Sweden, let’s say? Does the mill worker have a piece of paper stating he owns one 50th of the mill which he works and can sell at anytime or does he have a paper saying he owns one share of Sweden which he can sell at anytime? I do read the online mag Salon.com. They are down for the struggle. I read all sorts of things, that’s how I know what Leftists believe. I have quite a book collection. And I have read first accounts of quite a bit of history in America. Can’t expect you to know much of it considering the state of education and the fact that Marxists have been writing or approving all the textbooks in American schools for at least the last 25 years.

  • AndRebecca

    Now we’re getting to the real you. An ugly slug of a person with a superiority complex. You love you more than anyone could know.

  • John Doe

    ::applause::

    To summarize, because I have a good job that I worked hard for and am not on welfare as you so suggested, I have a superiority complex.

    How Marxist of you.

  • AndRebecca

    You are a socialist on the order of Margaret Sanger. Trouble is with you superiority complex types, you aren’t superior to anyone. You aren’t even up to standard.

  • John Doe

    Pot. Kettle. 🙂

  • AndRebecca

    Not even.

  • gene457

    I agree. I guess it comes in part from the “Robin Hood” mentality. A thief was made into a hero because he stole from the rich.

  • victorianur

    Sanders’ examples of socialist democracies are Sweden and Denmark, two of the most succesfull countries on Earth in terms of standard of living.

  • Paula Sayles

    Socialism isn’t communism. The United States today is not the Russia of the Bolshevik revolution. It doesn’t compare in any way. What “line” has worked all over the world is the globalism one where trade agreements are used to maneuver small countries into debts from which they cannot recover so that American businesses can go in and take their natural resources or utilize their citizenry as cheap labor. That is what has spread and is causing misery all over the world. It has nothing to do with socialism, democratic or otherwise.

  • Paula Sayles

    It does and it IS working right now in countries like Denmark and Germany. When the market crashed in 2007, those democratic socialist countries were the least affected because they weren’t fully beholden to the gambling capitalists of the global neoliberal marketplace.

  • AndRebecca

    Wow you are familiar with communist propaganda! I’m impressed! Do you listen to RT News? Communists and socialists go all over the world creating havoc by backing Islamists and other sorts of dictators. They’ve been responsible for the wars since before WWI. But now that we have a communist president we are financing dictators and causing messes like the Arab Spring and this mass migration into Europe of Muslims. Socialism is what they’ve had in Europe for a very long time. We even support their lousy economies. We have the money everyone wants. Except they don’t want to work for it, but they do want to steal it.

  • saxman

    Dear sweetbamboo, Socialism is socialism period !