Accuracy in Media

President Obama has celebrated anti-police riots at a New York City gay bar, the Stonewall Inn, saying, “We, the people, declare today that the most evident of truths—that all of us are created equal—is the star that guides us still, just as it guided our forebears through Seneca Falls, and Selma and Stonewall…”

With the new film “Selma” opening on Friday, Obama’s claim deserves some serious scrutiny from the media. In Selma in 1965, protesters were met with force and violence from the police. Martin Luther King, Jr. had led thousands of nonviolent demonstrators from Selma, Alabama to the capitol in Montgomery, Alabama. At Stonewall in 1969, gay protesters waged war on the police. Obama apparently can’t see the difference. (Seneca Falls is the name of the city in New York that served as the location for an 1848 conference on the rights of women in society.)

Our forebears were rioting homosexuals at a bar waging a war on the police? That’s what Obama is saying. What’s more, he’s comparing homosexuals fighting the police to blacks marching for their rights, including the right to vote.

The truth, as the video “From Selma to Stonewall” shows, is that the homosexual demands for political power based on their sexual needs and desires were far different than black people peacefully seeking their civil rights through protests and demonstrations. “Gay is not the new black,” notes the narrator, Eric Holmberg.

What’s more, in 1969 Stonewall was a location for men known as chicken hawks wanting sex with underage boys. Some of the homosexuals were, indeed, harassed by law enforcement. But the police who raided the place were also getting complaints about homosexuals having sex on the streets and in public bathrooms, and their use of illegal drugs.

Nevertheless, the date of the raid and the riots, June 28, 1969, is now “celebrated” as a “gay pride” event.

The far-left view, which has been embraced by Obama, is that violence can be a necessary part of progressive “change,” and that the Stonewall riots were a milestone on the road to equality.

In the case of the riots in Ferguson, the latest example of progressive change, recent documents obtained by Judicial Watch show high-level Justice Department involvement. Judicial Watch reported that the documents “suggest that the [Justice Department] unit deployed to Ferguson took an active role in working with those fomenting unrest and demanding the prosecution of police officer [Darren] Wilson. As indicated by their own activities, the CRS [Community Relations Service] agents were not there to impartially advance the broad public interest. Instead, we learned from the documents that the CRS made every effort to advance a political agenda in tandem in special interests whose only goal was to stir up racial unrest.”

So while we face foreign threats of violence, our own Justice Department stirs things up domestically. In New York City, that has meant the murder of two police officers.

The complete story of the “Ferguson rebellion,” as the Marxists call it, has yet to be written. Meanwhile, under Obama’s direction, the National Park Service is actually designating the Stonewall Inn as a National Historic Landmark, saying, “Stonewall is nationally significant because it is associated with events that outstandingly represent the struggle for civil rights in America.”

These attacks on police are celebrated as “progress” on the road of Marxist dialectical change. So perhaps the Ferguson riots will also become the scene of a national historic landmark.

We had noted back in 2009 in our piece titled, “Obama Celebrates Anti-Police ‘Gay’ Riots,” that “Several police officers trying to enforce the law at the sleazy establishment [Stonewall] were injured by violent homosexuals.” Police had to defend themselves and the community against violent protesters.

Police reports say that one of the victims was a police officer “treated at nearby Saint Vincent’s Hospital after being bitten on the right wrist by a Stonewall rebel.” One officer was beaten about the face with an “unknown object,” one was hit in the eye and injured, and another was shoved and kicked.

Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell announced earlier this year “a new theme study to identify places and events associated with the story of LGBT Americans for inclusion in the parks and programs of the National Park Service.” She made the announcement outside the Stonewall Inn.  This was followed, on June 10, by a National Park Service “scholars roundtable” regarding this initiative.

Jewell declared at the event, “I had a great day, one of the best days in my 14 months or so in this chair about 10 days ago. That was at the Stonewall Inn in Greenwich Village when we announced the National Park Service’s undertaking this theme study. It was a great day.”

Tim Gill joined Jewell at the Stonewall event. He is the founder of Quark, Inc., a computer software company worth $500 million. The Gill Foundation, which now claims assets of $260 million, has been described as the largest funder of gay and lesbian causes in the United States.

Gill is also the major financial supporter of the National Park Service campaign to “celebrate” the riots at Stonewall, and find other places to designate as critical to the homosexual struggle. The study is called a “public-private partnership,” with funding provided by the Gill Foundation through the National Park Foundation.

How far will the recognition of “gay rights” go? Just  a few doors down from the Stonewall Inn on Christopher Street in New York City is a place that sells various sexual devices, blindfolds, handcuffs, and even a cage for one’s sexual “partner.” So-called “leather pride” is a prominent aspect of homosexual rights today. A few doors down is a “New Age” shop with crystals, incense, and books about witches. In the same vicinity is a “head shop” featuring marijuana smoking devices.

The life and times of Harry Hay, a communist agitator for homosexual rights and “man-boy love,” could receive a special designation as well.

A “Spirit of Stonewall” proclamation was issued in 1994 arguing that “man-boy love” had to be recognized as an important part of homosexual history and conduct. Hay, the founder of the modern gay rights movement and member of the Communist Party, was one of the signers. Hay had been upset that sexual abusers of children were not permitted to march in the regular gay pride parade.

The North American Man-Boy Love Association celebrates his contributions to their “struggle.”  NAMBLA calls them “intergenerational relationships.”

The National Historic Landmark Nomination form for the Stonewall Inn notes that Hay had spoken of the “magnificent Stonewall Rebellion [which] erupted here in New York City…revealing in a flash our next new concept…gay—as a socially viable collective identity.” It refers to Hay’s demonstration for adult-child sex as merely an “alternative march” in 1994.

But Hay is not alone in the homosexual rights movement for his support of sex with children.

On October 10, 2009, Obama mentioned Stonewall, as well as his “great friend and supporter, Terry Bean,” a co-founder of the major homosexual lobby, the Human Rights Campaign.  Obama referred to “the story of the Stonewall protests, when a group of citizens—(applause)—when a group of citizens with few options, and fewer supporters stood up against discrimination and helped to inspire a movement.”

Bean has since taken a leave of absence from the Human Rights Campaign after he was arrested on sexual abuse charges involving sex with a minor.

Charles C. Johnson of GotNews reports that through the Charles M. Holmes Foundation, Bean financed a film called “Dream Boy,” described as a gay, love story about a shy high school kid who gets seduced by his neighbor and school pal. We confirmed that the foundation, which Bean chairs, lists an investment in Dream Boy LLC in its 2010 income tax return, and that Dream Boy LLC was the registered agent for the film when it was featured at a 2008 “Outfest” homosexual film festival. The film was rated R for sexual content, with some violence, including a rape involving teens.

The Holmes Foundation is based on assets accumulated by homosexual pornographer Charles M. Holmes, a friend of Bean who died of AIDS and owned Falcon Studios, which is said to be the world’s largest producer of “high quality gay male videos.”

The Bean arrest has put the focus back on the fact that the idea of having sex with children, in addition to anti-police violence, has been part of the homosexual rights movement in the United States all along. This is what “Stonewall” has come to represent.

Obama wants the taxpayers to sponsor this “celebration” of perversion.

Our first president, George Washington, who court-martialed sodomites and kicked them out of the revolutionary army, must be turning over in his grave.

Considering how the Obama administration regards Stonewall, it is not unreasonable to assume that the location of the “Ferguson rebellion,” as the communists call it, will be designated in the next two years as a national historic landmark. Perhaps the actual location will be a looted or burned-out building.

It will signal yet another phase in the fundamental transformation of the United States.

The new Republican Congress has the opportunity to stop official historical recognition for a gay bar that featured an anti-police riot. But will any GOP House or Senate member challenge Obama’s version of history?



Comments

  • Mr. Kincaid is a reliable bigot. This piece is so factually and historically inaccurate that I scarcely know where to begin. Suffice it to say, conflating gay people with NAMBLA is the usual fodder of those who are distressed that LGBT Americans are not content to be second class citizens.

    Irrespective of who patronized the Stonewall Inn the riot was a reaction to police harassment of, and brutality towards, the gay community. Police were raiding the bar to round up gay people simply for being gay.

  • Soxtory

    In NY state in 1969, it was still illegal to be homosexual, let alone to be so with minors. The gays then chose to resist arrest instead of going peacefully like most black demonstrators in the South. They could have made a better statement by so doing.

  • jfriley

    Not simply for being gay, for engaging in illegal conduct including public sex and public drug use. You imply Kincaid is a hypocrite for giving an inaccurate view on history, yet you do the same here. Just tell the whole story and let people make up their own minds.

  • Ted

    Hey, Kincaid, why don’t you try sportswriting? Maybe you could then come up with something that was really worth reading … and maybe you might make some newsworthy discoveries, too, e.g., finding out who all the homosexuals players are in MLB … or something like that!

  • Ted

    The real facts never get in the way of rightwingnut zealotry. These are people who think Joe McCarthy should have long ago been annointed a saint … back in the days when the rightwingnut and homosexual J. Edgar Hoover portrayed himself as an avid anti-homosexual.

  • NERDWORLD PROBLEMS

    Hoover was a transvestite, not a homo sexual, there is a difference. Homosexuals are such sticklers for labeling you’d think you would get that correct. Joe McCarthy was rooting out comminists, he did a good job, but apparently not good enough since he didn’t get all of them.

  • Lorilu

    There have been articles published that say the police were actually putting pressure on the members of organized crime who ran the Stonewall Inn, and other establishments of its ilk.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    We’re winning. You are losing. Deal with it.

    Washington also forbade black Americans from serving the Continental Army. He ordered them turned out without pay or arms. You really want to use Washington as a guide for life in the 21st century?

  • Ian Will

    Great of Kincaid to talk about Stonewall. Hey if you mention it, it must be important. One revision that was well documented the riot started because police were roughing up a lesbian(a female). PS. its more or less over deal. Believe what you will but change happens wither you want it to or not.

  • Rick L.

    Cliff Stonewall wasn’t a police bar where innocent off-duty police were assaulted by rioting homosexuals. The Stonewall was a gay bar where innocent off-work gay men were assaulted by the police. I don’t know you, but you seem to be a liar or really stupid.

  • Rick L.

    OH YEAH. That’s why the police were beating and arresting the bar patrons.

  • Rick L.

    Kincaid is a liar or an idiot for pretending to be an expert on what he has obviously not bothered to report accurately. I suspect you’re not a liar, but this is our history. We know it well. Do not presume to tell us what Stonewall was about.

  • xzargo

    Looks like somebody took a crap in Mr Kincaid’s head and forgot to flush!

  • jfriley

    Don’t presume “your” history is different than factual history. Spin it however you like, but those facts are facts whether you want then to be or not.

  • AndRebecca

    I am amazed the homophiles lack any knowledge of the past. And, what do they think is being lied about in this article? That Obama is doing what he is doing? Don’t they really know about dedicated gay bathrooms and bars, or the over the top drug use by gays? They can read Gay Joy of Sex I and II or any of the other gay books on the subject. Where I live, the group that takes care of runaways places the LGBT teenagers with friendly homosexuals to take care of them. When the 1960s were here, one of the “freedoms” they were fighting for was sexual freedom Marxist style. Marx was for homosexuality and prostitution. He and Engels went to prostitutes. The proclaimed naivety among the promoters of evil is astounding.

  • AndRebecca

    You are really hung-up on slavery back in Washington’s day. Can you cite where you read he turned them out without pay or arms? There were communists and socialists and atheists back then as well as now, and they had the same feelings about slavery as anyone else, so we shouldn’t like liberal ideas because they were around then, right?

  • AndRebecca

    Twisted sister history, right?

  • AndRebecca

    Yeah, just like during prohibition.

  • AndRebecca

    Mr. Kincaid attracts all the leftwing nut-balls like yourself.

  • AndRebecca

    Yes, up until recently homosexual acts were considered to be illegal, immoral and insane for good reasons.

  • AndRebecca

    Are you really this ignorant of the “gay” lifestyle?

  • Lorilu

    Destroy the business, and the people making money off the customers get hurt.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    http://www.thefreedomtrail.org/educational-resources/article-brothers-in-arms.shtml

    http://www.army.mil/article/97705/Black_Soldiers_in_the_Revolutionary_War/

    The rest of your reply makes little sense. I’m not hung up on slavery, I’m simply pointing out that Washington is hardly a bastion of what we would consider ethical behavior. He was an intolerant bigot.

  • AndRebecca

    You are simply using the LGBT talking points, which can be accessed on the net. You consider the right to have sex with your fellow man to be equal to real rights as mentioned in the Bill Of Rights and the Constitution. You are a fool if you think the founder of the modern world and civil rights was nothing more than an intolerant bigot. You are the bigot. If you think the chains of Marxism, which you can see around the world, with the starvation, gulags and constant war, is somehow better than what George Washington built, your foolishness is total and complete.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Quite the word salad here. In order.

    1. So, quoting the Freedom Trail people and the United States Army is LGTB talking points? Can you dispute the fact that Washington force black Americans out of the Continental Army?

    2. It is a right. The Supreme Court agrees. In Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), the Court found that private, consensual sexual activity between adults was protected by the 14th Amendment. http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2002/2002_02_102

    3. George Washington was a good general and a decent leader of the country, but he is hardly the founder of the modern world. That title should go tot he writers of the Enlightenment who pushed ideas like inalienable rights and the supremacy of the common man. Jefferson cribbed heavily from Spinoza when he wrote the Declaration.

    4. Marxism is dead. Seriously, do you even know what the term means? We’ve always had prisons (just and unjust), starvation, and wars. I’m reading a history of Babylonia right now.. wars, starvation, and political infighting. Just like today.

    5. George Washington built nothing. The people who created this country were Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Paine, and their ilk. The one who defined the concepts of a government by the people, of the people, and for the people. Washington was barely involved in drafting the Constitution, and was elected President because he was the overwhelming favorite.

    Read some history.

  • AndRebecca

    Oh please. Let’s start with George Washington. He was a surveyor in the British Army. He went West and reconnoitered the land. He knew where every square inch of British land was and when the war was over, he sold off British lands and buildings to the capitalists for them to resell, and sold to private individuals like Ben Franklin, and other small holders around the country. He started work projects to help the pioneers go west. He formed corporations. Every town in America was started through incorporation. He named towns, like the town of Marietta, Ohio, after people who helped in the war effort, and he named towns and counties after other things important to the American people. He started the first public school system in the world. He literally built the country from the ground up. Anyone who served in Revolutionary War, or their dependents had a chance to buy land and go West because he thought it was a good idea to have military men on the frontier. He also started and/or encouraged clubs like the Masons and the Society of Cincinnatus. He did far more than write the first Constitution in the world, he caused it to be written. He started a country where none existed before. He also kept the Jesuits at bay in colonial times. He did way more than any of the others. That is why he is called the father of the country. Of course he was popular.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    So, he sold land that for which he had no legal title? That’s called fraud, unless you can some how prove that Washington owned all that territory.

    Of course, you’re referring to the Northwest Ordinance, which predates Washington’s term in office. Actually, Marietta, OH, was named by General Putnam and the settlers.

    Slaves built the country. Slaves, settlers, and speculators. Washington spent the time between the end of the revolution and being elected President at Mt. Vernon. He was not some great captain of industry, but a farmer.

    Freemasonry was well established in North American before Washington was born. The Society of the Cincinnati (to use the correct name) was created by Henry Know. Washington was just one of dozens of members from Virginia alone.

    “He also kept the Jesuits at bay in colonial times.” …and you’re officially a lunatic.

  • AndRebecca

    You really need to get a grip. Gee, how did General Putnam and the settlers get a chance to name the town? Duh, huh? Never read about the colonial wars between the French and British? My, my your ignorance is showing. As for Marxism being non-existent, how do you explain the textbook used in the schools today “Psychoanalytic-Marxism Groundwork,” by Eugene Victor Wolfenstein? It is just one example of a whole bunch of Marxist textbooks used in the schools. What is it about you lefties? When your fingers tap a keyboard, a lie is born. Gee, if I follow your lead, I too can believe in all lies instead of the truth. And no kidding, the Masons came before George Washington, and they spread across the country doing good works and building Masonic Halls, many of which are still around today.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Are you seriously saying the Washington was the only surveyor in the area? There were dozens! Also, there were French trappers, hunters, oh, and the indigenous peoples who guided explorers for a fee.

    The textbook is on a minor school of psychological thought that seeks to unite Freudian analysis with Marxist dialectics.

    This, by the way, is a university text. The only people who read are going to be students interesting in obscure theoretical discussions.

    Madam, so far you are the one lying. You also called the Constitution, the cornerstone of our nation, a “piece of paper.” That is a lie. The Constitution was written on parchment.

    You stated “He (Washington) also started and/or encouraged clubs like the Masons and the Society of Cincinnatus.” Along with getting the name wrong, you lied. Washington neither started or spread either group.

    Great general, admirable leader, remembered as one of many founders. I have no idea why you’re attempting to make a deity out of him.

  • MoonBeamWatcher

    Welcome to your opinion
    BUT . . . not YOUR FACTS!

  • AndRebecca

    In order for you to understand what others are trying to communicate, you have to have some basic knowledge which you simply don’t have. Your language skills are almost nil. You can raise your I.Q. by study, but no one can grow a brain for you. You call me a liar and a lunatic because you cannot process what I have said. A person of normal intelligence would be able to understand my meaning. For anyone else out there, there are all sort of sites on the net dealing with George Washington and the Rev. War and even the black patriots who fought in it. Google it, they have the same info I have. Here’s a great quote by a Gouverneur Morris “The rich will take advantage of their (the people’s) passions and make these the instruments for oppresssing them.” O.K., now this has to do with the subject at hand. The article above…think about for as it as long as it takes…..

  • Douglas E. Berry

    And now the insults come out. Madam, I’m a historian. I study this stuff. Washington ejected blacks from the Continental Army. This is a fact. Washington fought to keep them out. This is also a fact. Washington was hardly the only person roaming what would become the Northwest Territories mapping them. Also a fact.

    “Sites of the net”? I read books for my information. Excellent books, like “An Imperfect God: George Washington, His Slaves, and the Creation of America” Excellent read. It shows how Washington treated black people as material things (even raffling off slave children to settle a debt) until black troops were forced on him by the Continental Congress.

    Fun fact: Washington’s dentures were not made of wood. A first they were mad from ivory, but later he used dentures made with human teeth. Where did he get the teeth? From his slaves. He had the healthy teeth of slaves pulled for his dentures.

  • AndRebecca

    Now the insults come out? What do you think you have doing all along? Cite where Washington fought to keep blacks out of the Continental Army, and why he was unsuccessful at it. And also remember that is not what you stated in the first place. You said he kicked them out without pay, which means they were already in. You believe in revisionist history, I don’t… I have given examples of where facts can be looked up on the web in order to make it easy for those who want to see them, not you.
    No kidding, Washington wasn’t the only surveyor in the British Army or colonial America. Many very ordinary people knew how to survey land. It was what he did with his knowledge for benefit of the country he started. He also used the maps made by the other surveyors as well. Use your brain. You have a daddy problem and are jealous of the Man. It interferes with your cognition. You have to be beyond stupid to think anyone who admires George Washington believes he was a God, imperfect, or otherwise.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    You mean the cites I already made? Yesterday? Where I cited the Freedom Trail project and the United States Army? Those cites?

    Yes, they were already part of the militia. The Washington kicked them out. A British leader named Lord Dunsimore offered enlistment to any slaves belonging to rebels who fled to the Crown Colors. When hundreds of slaves did just that, it terrified Washington and the Continental Congress, and they reversed course. The only reason Washington allowed black troops is the British were making them a better offer.

    Thanks for the amateur psychoanalysis. I have no problem with Washington. as I have stated repeatedly, he was a good general and leader. Just not the god you make him out to be. I prefer Jefferson myself.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    The LGBT movement would be nothing without the Communist party and various leftists backing and marketing it to an unsuspecting public.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    How about the Lord Jesus Christ and His holy word as guide? He is the same yesterday, to day, and for ever.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    By what measure do you judge ethical behavior?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Communist Goals 1963

    24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    The LGTB movement would be nothing without the communist party backing it and you claim that marxism is dead?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Washington admitted to only attending a few initial meetings of the masons when he was a teenager. The Masons have conjured up the rest.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    “This, by the way, is a university text. The only people who read are going to be students interesting in obscure theoretical discussions.”

    The merger of Freud and Marx is the basis for ALL social psychology. All liberation theory is based on removing the father’s voice that rebukes and chastens right and wrong behavior. Marx called for the traditional father (and family) to be annihilated and Freud called the father for repressive. The synthesis created transformational marxism, the brand of marxism that was Gorbachev’s perestroika. Remove the voice that rebukes and chastens and you can silence God, i.e. liberate sin. Or so they believe.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd
  • AndRebecca

    You have your history wrong on purpose. And, you back track on everything you say, except for your obsession about lying about the black patriots and George Washington. Here’s a site with info on the maps of Washington and surveying. http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/gwmaps.html
    And as I have stated, anyone can google about black patriots in the Revolutionary War, and find the truth.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Myth. A myth created based on older religions and used for political purposes. There is no hard evidence that Jesus ever lived, and a lot of evidence than many of the event listed in Gospels didn’t happen.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    I have backtracked on nothing. Washington was a great man, but not a deity who single-handily created America. He was one of many who surveryed the Ohio Valley. No Argument. He was a pretty damn good general, but if you actually learn about him, you see that he was a bigot, classist, jerk.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    That which causes the least harm and the maximum benefit.

    In the case of Washington throwing black soldiers out of the Continental Army, the harm outweighed the benefit:

    1. It removed soldiers with combat experience at a critical time.

    2. It caused resentment in those soldiers and in free blacks across the colonies.

    3. It gave the British an opening to recruit runaway slaves and free blacks with the promise of better treatment.

    Also, discrimination based on race causes harm with no benefit.

  • AndRebecca

    You are the jerk. But, it has been nice arguing with you. Without having this argument I would have never learned about Jedidiah Morse, and his fight against Unitarianism in the Congregational Church. One more bit of proof about the jerks around in those days. The Unitarians embraced Marxism in the late 1800s, and they are still trying to destroy Christianity, by supporting things like homosexual marriage.

  • AndRebecca

    Here is a website about the ongoing battle, with Jedidiah Morse in the lead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedidiah_Morse Let’s see if it works, otherwise google Jedidiah Morse “1789 American Geography,” and you will find another saint.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Thank you!

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    You are parroting the marxist line, while at the same time asserting that marxism is dead.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    You can’t present a credible argument when your methodology (critical theory) is founded upon no absolutes. In effect, you are saying that there is no hard evidence, when your methodology does not believe in hard and fast truths. It’s like calling the devil to testify to a jury on what the definition of a fact is.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Unless you have a grasp on obedience to higher authority, you cannot understand the founding fathers. For example, Jefferson (and others) signed their letters to Washington as your humble and faithful servant. That is a different language than the rebellious culture uses today. You simply cannot view the Founders through a lens that holds higher authority in contempt and try to pull yourself off as an authority.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    BTW The path of least resistance is a cowardly one.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Where did I advocate that? Sometimes doing the greater good is the hardest thing. Take firefighting. The path of least resistance would be to let the building burn. But we, as a culture, chose to train and equip firemen to stop fires and save lives.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    “your humble and faithful servant” was the standard way of closing out a formal letter.

    So, you’re no saying the leaders of a rebellion against King George III, by grace of God King of England, wasn’t part of a rebellious culture? Our entire nation was founded on rebellion! They flouted the authority of Church and State because they thought they had a better idea.

    Jefferson rewrote the Gospels to suit his own visions. Thomas Paine was kicked out of almost every nation he ever visited, and was an atheist at a time when that was forbidden by law. Washington, who had taken an oath to serve the Crown, lead an army against it.

    I’m a veteran, I understand obedience to higher authority. Of course, my chain of command was made up of real people. I also understand adhering to an ideal. In this case, equal justice under the law for everyone, not just the majority.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Wow, everybody is out to destroy you. We’re winning you know. In twenty years people will look back and ask what the fuss was about, the same we we don now with interracial marriages.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    OK, show me the hard evidence for the existence of Jesus. Show me hard evidence that he lived, and that the events listed in the Gospels occurred.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    John Robison’s book Proofs of Conspiracy exposed the illuminati influence of the Masons in Europe.
    And Washington did read the book. However, Masonry was and is wicked in and of itself. Masonry almost fell out of existence in the 1830’s, because of a scandal in 1826 where William Morgan was murdered at Niagara Falls for threatening to expose the Mason’s rituals. There is a debate on how much of a mason Washington was, because it goes against the account of his Christian salvation during the Revolutionary war.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    You do not have the ability to process hard evidence.

    The Bible says in Romans 1: 20 “For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    The founders held God as the ultimate authority. The founders rebelled against the king because they saw him as usurping God’s authority. So the founders never rebelled against the highest authority. This is different than the French revolution which overthrew the monarchy and replaced it with the state. Because Public education abandoned God, the only thing left is a presentation of the American revolution as the French Revolution. Two different ideologies.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Do you believe in abortion?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    In his farewell address, George Washington stated
    that morality was a necessary spring of popular government. Washington clarified that he was not speaking of secular morality, but religious morality. He warned that those who would attempt to shake the foundation of our moral fabric – including those observers who looked on with indifference – were enemies of “free government.” In other words, Washington said that if you want to destroy the republic, allow immorality to grow without rebuke. One who would not challenge the promotion of immorality in the culture, cannot possibly be a credible authority on Washington.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    “your humble and faithful servant” was the standard way of closing out a formal letter.

    Obedience to higher authority was the standard of Washington’s day.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Of course I believe in it, it’s a medical procedure that’s been around for centuries.

    Now, if you’re actually asking if I support abortion, the answer is a bit more nuanced. I want abortion to be available, safe, and practically unneeded. I want easy access to contraception (including post-coitus options) and comprehensive sex education that not only gives facts, but has frank discussions on responsibility and the realities of sex. I want every woman to be able to say “no” and mean it.

    Because people are going to have sex. It’s a biological impulse that is really hard to control. We are made to have sex and reproduce. Humans just have more fun with it.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    And Washington wrote none of the founding documents. He was entitled to his views. Do you think chattel slavery based on the color of a person’s skin is moral?

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Uh, no. Go read some Spinoza. There’s a reason God is never mentioned in the Constitution. “We the People” is not a submission to God. It places authority in the hands of the people.

    Have you ever actually investigated what Jefferson (and Enlightenment Deist) meant by the line “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people
    to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another,
    and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal
    station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a
    decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should
    declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”?

    The “Laws of Nature and Nature’s God” is taken almost word for word from the writing of Baruch Spinoza. Spinoza wrote that when two people witnessed an event, and one called it a natural act and the other said it was an act of God, both were right. Jefferson is denouncing Divine Right as claimed by George III. He is saying her that the colonists are equals to the King, and deserve equal treatment. Hence, the polite nature of what is in essence a detail breakup letter.

    Seriously, outside of Washington you find almost no orthodoxy in the founders. They were by and large men of the Enlightenment, trained to think critically and dismissive of tradition for the sake of tradition. Washington was probably the most conservative of them, and was chosen for his military experience

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”

    Unalienable rights are rights unseparable from God.

    Your assertion that the Enlightment was the prevailing philosophy of the day runs counter to Benjamin Franklin’s letter to Thomas Paine:

    TO THOMAS PAINE.

    DEAR SIR,

    I have read your manuscript with some attention. By the argument it contains against a particular Providence, though you allow a general Providence, you strike at the foundations of all religion. For without the belief of a Providence, that takes cognizance of, guards, and guides, and may favor particular persons, there is no motive to worship a Deity, to fear his displeasure, or to pray for his protection. I will not enter into any discussion of your principles, though you seem to desire it. At present I shall only give you my opinion, that, though your reasonings are subtile and may prevail with some readers, you will not succeed so as to change the general sentiments of mankind on that subject, and the consequence of printing this piece will be, a great deal of odium drawn upon yourself, mischief to you, and no benefit to others. He that spits against the wind, spits in his own face.

    But, were you to succeed, do you imagine any good would be done by it? You yourself may find it easy to live a virtuous life, without the assistance afforded by religion; you having a clear perception of the
    advantages of virtue, and the disadvantages of vice, and possessing a strength of resolution sufficient to enable you to resist common temptations. But think how great a portion of mankind consists of weak and ignorant men and women, and of inexperienced, inconsiderate youth of both sexes, who have need of the motives of religion to restrain them from vice, to support their virtue, and retain them in the practice of it till it becomes habitual, which is the great point for its security. And perhaps you are indebted to her originally, that is, to your religious education, for the habits of virtue upon which you now justly value yourself. You might easily display your excellent talents of reasoning upon a less hazardous subject, and thereby obtain a rank with our most distinguished authors. For among us it is not necessary, as among the Hottentots, that a youth, to be raised into the company of men, should prove his manhood by beating his mother.

    I would advise you, therefore, not to attempt unchaining the tiger, but to burn this piece before it is seen by any other person; whereby you will save yourself a great deal of mortification by the enemies it may raise against you, and perhaps a good deal of regret and repentance.

    If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it. I intend this letter itself as a proof of my friendship, and therefore add no professions to it; but subscribe simply yours,

    B. Franklin

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Again you are parroting the marxist line on morality, when marxist ideology holds that there is no such thing as morality. Karl Marx, Lenin, Stalin have well established the marxist record on morality. It is beyond credibility for you to assert a marxist narrative on morality, which is nothing more than an application of the Hegelian-Dialectic to effect social change.

    Do you think inserting a penis into an anus is moral?
    What in the world makes you an authority on morality?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Then you don’t particularly care about saving lives yourself.

    “The path of least resistance would be to let the building burn. But we, as a culture, chose to train and equip firemen to stop fires and save lives.”

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    You don’t win, when promoting immorality is the stated goal of those who want to bring down our nation and replace it with a collectivist state. You are simply a useful idiot.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    You are not a historian.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    What makes you not a bigot?

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Prove that claim.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    And Paine had more influence on the creation of the nation than Franklin.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Allright, do you consider the American Historical Society an authority on American history?

    I have to leave for a little while.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Explain, in detail, how extending the legal benefits of marriage to same-sex couples is collectivist.

    Immorality is in the eye of the beholder. I notice you refused to answer my question about the morality of slavery. Because Washington was fine with it (as were most of the Founders) but today, 150 years past the 13th Amendment, we see it as abhorrent.

    Go back 50 years and interaction between couples of different races was seen as immoral and legislated against. Do you support laws barring interracial marriage? If not, why not? After all they were the moral standard for decades, even centuries! Can you name a nation that collapsed solely due to gay marriage?

  • Douglas E. Berry

    That’s circular reasoning. The Bible is true because the Bible say that the Bible is true.

    Let’s focus on two events, shall we? The slaughter of the innocents by Herod as described in Matthew 2:16-18, and the events following Jesus’ death in Matthew 27:50-54.

    Neither happened. If Herod had massacred every child he got get his hands on, the entire province would have risen in revolt and the Romans would have killed for being a blockhead. There no contemporary sources for the Massacre of the Innocents. Not even Josephus, who wrote a detail biography of Herod the Great, mentions anything like this. There is not one shred of evidence.

    Same goes for the Matthew version of the crucifixion.In that version there is a massive earthquake, tombs open, and the dead rise and walk among the people of Jerusalem. Yet not a single Roman report (and they kept detailed reports, I’ve read them) mentions any of this. No earthquake, and certainly no report of the dead walking in large numbers. You can’t even find geological evidence to support a large earthquake in the region around 33CE.

    Never mind that the other three Gospel tell completely different stories. No earthquakes, no zombies.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    The American Historic Society is a coin dealership; another of my interests is numismatics. Did you mean the American Historical Association? Because that is an organization of several thousand historians of all levels, archivists, and history buffs.

    Many AHA members are authorities on various aspects of American history. I’ll admit that my focus is the Eastern Mediterranean during the Byzantine era, but I do read American Historical Review when it shows up at the library.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    I wrote “American Historical Society,” I don’t know where you are getting the American Historic Society. The American Historical Society was conceived by the Carnegie Foundation to alter the historical record of America. Their Report On The Commission On Social Studies by Krey Counts Kimmel and Kelley published in 1934, stated that the future of America was collectivism, a position that I am sure is still held today. A focus on the Byzantine Era doesn’t make you an authority of American history.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    “The Romans kept detailed reports and you’ve read them”, Oh, brother…

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    I don’t have the time to give detailed evidence to reprobates who wouldn’t be convinced if God wrote it in large print for them in the sky. It is a waste of my time to try and convince someone who thinks putting a penis in an anal cavity is moral and deserves equal protection. Facts can’t speak to delusional.

    Look the degradation of the culture over the last 60 -100 years and know that marxists clearly told us that they would bring down the country by promoting immorality.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Madison had more influence than anyone and he would not have been elected to the Congress without the support of a Baptist preacher John Leland, who Madison had to give his word that a Bill of Rights would be written that protected Baptists from persecution, hence the Bill of Rights and the first amendment.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    In other words, you can’t.

    Done with you. You have no facts and seems to think that your bigotry trumps freedom.

  • spartacus

    sounds like you and washingtion have alot in common

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Well, we both wear false teeth and have smoked weed. Other than that, care to expand on that thought?

  • spartacus

    you be are a true “degenerate ‘

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Matthew 7:1

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    The BIble says to not throw your pearls before the pigs.

  • AndRebecca

    You are welcome.

  • AndRebecca

    Everybody is not out to destroy American values, just the assorted leftists, like yourself, who have been at it for years. The persecution of real, Bible believing Christians started America and freedom for everybody. Now you want to end it for selfish personal gain. Nothing new here. H.L. Mencken wrote years ago that his Socialist friends wanted to legalize homosexuality, and he was O.K. with doing that, even though he was a supporter of Hitler, and not a socialist…The Greeks and Romans were known for their “alternative” lifestyles, and most historians believe these lifestyles caused their destruction, and that is why people who want to destroy freedom, want homosexual marriage. Pretty simple.

  • AndRebecca

    I’m with Washington on this one. Although he didn’t say it was the Unitarians, he did say it wasn’t the Masons. I think the Unitarians were the problem then, and they may have infiltrated the Masons, like they did the “liberal” churches. Unitarians, not Masons, were the ones in touch with the French atheists, just like they are today. The Masons were most likely the original Tea Party folks….Unitarians do believe in evolving morals, and they are the ones running the universities today and turning out Leftists, and they support the unions…they are fine with Communism…

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Actually, Classical Greek fell to barbarians, and Rome fell after Constantine moved the capital to Byzantium, food supplies on the Italian peninsula became unreliable due to over cultivation of luxury products, and the Ostrogoths marching in and kicking the Western Empire over. The Eastern Empire soldiered on until May 27th, 1453.

    By the way, the fall of the Western Empire came 140 years after Christianity became the state religion in Rome.

    We can add classical history to the very long list of things you know nothing about.

  • AndRebecca

    Cognition can be broken down into four parts: judgment, imagination, reason, and memory. Try running on all four cylinders and maybe you can process what I say. And don’t tell me, the brain doesn’t have four cylinders…it is a figure of speech. You are way too literal to be intelligent. By the way, part of Marxist racial theory involves Darwinism. They go beyond Darwin and state only certain white people are capable of understanding Christianity and Capitalism…and other concepts…I take it you aren’t a Brit and you aren’t from any of the related tribes the Marxists were talking about.

  • AndRebecca

    Here’s another site: http://www.uua.org/publications/skinnerhouse/ That should work, but if it doesn’t, google Skinner Press Boston. This one of the Unitarian publishing groups. They have others. They also publish for NPR and PBS.

  • AndRebecca

    Your guy Jefferson owned slaves. Was it different for him?

  • AndRebecca

    The fall of Rome started long before Christianity became the state religion, as you well know. And, in 1453 the Ottoman Turks blocked all the trade routes to the Indies. This brought hardship to the merchants in Europe, and caused them to look for alternate routes to the orient. In came Christopher Columbus. He was most likely a Celt and a descendant of the tribes who gave Rome a hard time. And the same Celts who at the time of Columbus were starting the rebellion against the Church of Rome, the Protestant Reformation. He seemed to be afraid the Spanish, in particular, would find out about his tribal connections. The Celts were traditional enemies of Rome. The Brits and Goths were Celts. The Catholic Irish from all appearances, were not related to the rest of the Celts.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    That is insane. Columbus was Italian, meaning he was descended from the Lombards. Merchants had been seeking alternate routes for centuries, it’s what smart merchants do. Trade through Constantinople returned to normal immediately after the Ottoman conquest, as the only reason to own that city is to make money.

    Now, your bizarre view of the Celts. The Celtic people in Europe were wiped out during the Migration Age. The ones living in what is now France were displaced by the Franks, Vandals, and other tribes. Even the Celtic tribes in Britain were largely displaced by the Saxons. Everyone was then heavily influenced by Nordic peoples.

    The Goths were a people that migrated from southern Scandinavia in the 3rd/4th century. They are linguistically and culturally distinct from the Celtic cultures further to the west.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    That’s a failing for him. Jefferson and slavery is a complex question; on the one hand, Jefferson championed ending the importation of slaves into Virginia, He support the gradual emancipation of slaves, maintaining that the sudden release of slaves into freedom without job training would be a disaster. As President, he tried to prevent slavery in all new US territories… that failed by one vote.

    On the other hand, Jefferson was one of the largest planters in Virginia, and was constantly in debt. The economic realities of Virginia at the time meant that he couldn’t afford to release his slaves. He would have lost everything. He did free many of his slaves during his lifetime, but could never afford to all of them.

    As always, nothing in history is black and white.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Actually I am English. My father was born in Devon, and made sure that we all appreciated our heritage.

  • AndRebecca

    For a historian you sure don’t know much. Everything you just said is wrong. Plus, I am giving the Marxist view of the Celts. Oh, the part about the Goths being culturally distinct from the Celts is correct. A simple mistake.

  • AndRebecca

    You have this partly right. Too bad you can’t find the info on Washington, which says pretty much the same thing.

  • AndRebecca

    That explains a lot. How do you go about trying destroy your heritage while appreciating it? You are confused.

  • AndRebecca

    More revisionist history out of you. Thomas Paine was hated by the founding fathers and wrote against Christianity and George Washington. Equal justice under the law means majority rule in America. Subverting the law is what you are about. No good for America. Besides, marriage between one man and woman means the people in question have to have different plumbing in order to consummate a marriage. Two males can’t consummate a legitimate marriage. One of them doesn’t have the correct orifice. So, redefining marriage is what it is all about. The birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees. The biology isn’t there. Since the Socialists are the ones pushing the “love child” or unwed motherhood on society, and now homosexual marriage, it would be quite crazy not to at least recognize it for what it is. It is part of the “change” the left in America is always talking about. A messed up family means good news for the left. They write about it all the time. Crazy is the new normal.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    “Equal justice under the law means majority rule in America.”

    That may be the dumbest thing I’ve read all week. Equal justice mean equal protection under the law for everyone; not just the comfortable majority. We need the Bill of Rights to protect the various minorities from the tyrannies of the majority and the state.

    In law, marriage does not require sex. No state requires fertility or the intention of raising children as a requirement for a marriage license. No state requires evidence of sex to sustain a marriage. So that argument falls flat.

    Unwed mothers have always existed. Your world view shames them and shoves them into shadows. Mine celebrates their lives and offers them support. Which is more Christian?

    Sorry lad, but I’m not a socialist.

  • AndRebecca

    I am sure you think it is stupid because you don’t like the Constitution or the people who wrote or what they believed was right for the American people. In law marriage requires sex. A divorce may be obtained by a marital partner if the marriage hasn’t been consummated. Unwed motherhood has exploded since the Socialists started pushing it in the late 1800s. Man, you know absolutely nothing about the present or the past! You have a closed mind and will not open it. The Marxists in the universities spend all their time writing books on what they believe, and you deny they are behind any of this, which makes you seem very ignorant. Plus, everything the Socialists do in Europe comes here! What a numbskull you are. I guess if I had the strange beliefs you have, I would have to deny where they came from as well. You can’t face the truth. A total ignoramus.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    Actually I love the Constitution, and admire the men who wrote it. I love this nation and the Constitution so much that I swore to defend them with my life.

    Actually, you can get an annulment in some states if there has been no sex *if* there is fraud involved. Here’s California’s guidelines for annulment: http://www.courts.ca.gov/1037.htm

    Notice that “not having sex” is not a legal basis for annulment. In a divorce proceeding, one could argue that refusing sex constitutes alienation of affection, but again there is no legal requirement for a married couple to have sex.

    So long as kids are well taken care of, I really don’t care who raises them. If a woman decides to have a child without legal ties to the father, that’s her choice. It’s called freedom.

    Please list the nations in Europe that are socialist. And define socialism while you’re at it.

  • AndRebecca

    Your ideas are so off base, it is a useless waste of my time to argue with you. Actually, I am hoping others with more intelligence than you have will read some of this. Anyone with a brain could answer your questions, but you don’t have a brain to process the info. So, I am getting on with my life. Crazy is the new normal and that is you.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    I just love how you morons cut and run when challenged to back up your claims. I accept your total and unconditional surrender, and will drink from the spring on victory.

    Progressives are winning, and people like you are soon going to be a memory. Good riddance.

  • AndRebecca

    Now you are a progressive. I have no doubt that you lie. As for progressives winning, I expect if you had your way you would bring on the thousand years of darkness since that is what progressives are all about. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  • Douglas E. Berry

    I thought you were done with me and moving on with your life. Guess that makes you a liar.

    Progressives are the reason you can vote, have an elected government instead of a King, and are free to have your own religious faith instead of being forced to follow the ruler’s faith. Progressives came up with ideas like freedom of speech and the rights of man.

    Going to enjoy the weekend? Thank the socialists of the American Labor movement who died for it.Have clean food, water, and air? Thank the progressives who fought for it.

    By the way, depending on what computer OS you are using, it was created by an atheist or a Buddhist. I suggest burning all your electronics, because the Bible never mentions them.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Thank you, AndRebecca.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    The Masons worship Baphomet at the top. There are masonic lodges in Cuba. http://youtu.be/Q0T3QB6_kvM

  • AndRebecca

    The Unitarians have stated many times that they are not for our constitution or Christianity. Angela Davis, the Communist, has been in the news lately and there is a connection between her and the Unitarians, not the Masons. The Masons were started as a political group in the Middle Ages during the construction of the cathedrals. They were against the Roman Church and the inquisition(s) which happened all over Europe for a long period of time. Masons are for morals and fraternity among people of different religions and are not anti-American. They are not a Christian society, but they also are not anti-Christian, like the Unitarians. The Unitarian worldview of moving toward a universal theology of religion, which includes replacing Christianity with secular humanism, atheism, and spirituality is completely different than what the Masons are about. Being against Masons is nothing except a diversion. The real culprits are right there doing what they are doing, and that is leading us to the new world order which is Marxism, the downward spiral.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Karl Marx was mason. While I believe it is true that the Masons and the Jesuits are enemies, the masons are Luciferians at the top.

    http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0193.asp

  • AndRebecca

    Karl Marx would have to have been a very busy man to have been a Mason on top of everything else. Sorry to see you have fallen for the conspiracy theory which is the same one the Islamists believe.

  • AndRebecca

    I don’t know why I am having trouble getting my comments posted right now, but I’ll give it another try. You will have to come up with some proof that Karl Marx was a Mason. I know way more than most people about him, and never heard that one. Now, President Harry Truman was a Mason, and he fought Communism. Jews can become Masons, and this is where much of the anti-Mason intolerance comes from. Hopefully, that isn’t your problem with it.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    I support Israel. At first, I resisted the notion that Marx as a mason myself, but good sources say that he was. I will get the evidence for you.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    I don’t know, it is hard to get one past me.

  • AndRebecca

    It is hard to get anything past you.
    try this: http://www.scepnetwork.org/p/1/68/separated-children Are these people Unitarians or Masons, and do they remind you of anyone?

  • Rich Farnes

    This is incredibly offensive. AIM, you should be ashamed for publishing something so bigoted, homophobic and false.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    They are marxists working to “integrate” the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, which would put all children under the state and not the parents, into legislation. I support a Christian missionary who is trying to build a children’s home in the EU. He would be the antithesis of this group.

  • AndRebecca

    O.K. The European Universalists are related to the American Unitarians and they both are behind the “children” coming illegally into Europe and America. They are one of the NGOs behind that European network. Obama’s church, the Congregationalists were taken over by Unitarians, and they embraced Marxism a long time ago. And Obama just did the related Central American children thing. I believe the Unitarians are the actual illuminati, and not the Masons. These Lefties do all this stuff in front of everybody and no one can see that it is them… I just saw a video by a pastor explaining the Bible being against homosexuality and I am trying to find a way for you to see it…. The Unitarians are behind the “gay” acceptance movement as well, and a whole bunch of other stuff. I didn’t know all but one of the Roman Caesars practiced homosexuality, until I watched this video.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    The Unitarian ‘church” has accepted gays since at least the 90’s that I know of and probably earlier. They are advancing New Age religion and the world church. They obviously embrace marxist ideology.

    https://www.facebook.com/MUUSJN

    http://uucan.org/

    http://www.uumassaction.org/

    http://www.uujaz.org/

    There are organizations that promote interfaith at a global level:

    World Congress of Faiths

    International Association of Religious Freedom (IARF)

    Council for a Parliament of the World’s Religions

    World Conference on Religion and Peace

    United Religions Initiative

    There are Unitarians, Modernists, Universalists, Theosophists, Rationalists, Occultists, etc. I think the Methodists are more dangerous, because they are mainstream.

    Rome has always been a universalist church and people like Rick Warren and Joel Osteen have been meeting with the Pope as a part of advancing the ecumenical/emergent church agenda. All of the religions (except the true remnant) will eventually merge with the Catholic church, if there is going to be a world church. That is where the dialectic eventually takes you, and that is where Bible prophecy takes you.

    There is someone who said the Illuminati was formed by atheists and deists. Some were called Deists who were actually unitarians. Thomas Jefferson was said to be more a unitarian than a deist. I do not recall that source saying that the unitarians were tied to the Illuminati.

    In my humble opinion, the stage for child abandonment and trafficking was set years ago, when communist countries removed God and promoted atheism and poverty in the culture. They created the problem and then posture with the solution.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/the-tragic-story-of-catalina-killed-by-the-living-hell-of-ro#.qfL2N07le

    The real goal of the left is that they don’t want children homeschooled or taught the KJV Bible, i.e. texus receptus.

    There are times when both sides are the bad guys.

    http://youtu.be/ls9iJ6BBcxw

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    They are politically active, that is for sure.

  • AndRebecca

    Here’s another one: https://mountsinaiphr.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/lgbt-global-action-guide.pdf In it they claim to be behind the global lgbt movement.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Thank you, AndRebecca. I just now skimmed over it and caught “Northwestern University Law Professor Bernardine Dohrn.” Which shows that there are communists within the leadership. I will try to track down some of these groups they are working with.

  • AndRebecca

    Yes. The UUs have been busy. They do like to take credit for all they do, which is a plus. They just figure no one but their own will bother to read any of it. It is boring to read, but it must be fun to put in action, in a demonic kind of way.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    The Arcus Foundation was mentioned in the pdf download that you gave me, so I Googled and checked out their website. Have you looked at their partners page? It is peppered with known communist front groups, including the U.S. State Dept. A surprising number of so-called Christian organizations partner with them as well. I want to look them up on Charity Navigator. They write grants.

  • AndRebecca

    Isn’t the U.S.gov. just great? They support any Marxist group coming down the pike. All the different government departments work hand in hand with the non-profits to change the system from the inside. They are working to destroy property rights, along with the constitution and all other rights. If you look up Jack Mendelsohn, the Unitarian, I think you will come up with more. I will look at the partners for Arcus. I haven’t gotten past their people/primate connection as an excuse for sodomy and all else-we’re just monkeys, you know. Dancing monkeys from around the world. I’ll check it out.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Beastiality, no doubt, will be the next cry needing “equal protection.”

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd
  • AndRebecca

    I was thinking the same thing. Watch out world.

  • AndRebecca

    Thank you. I googled this earlier today, after you mentioned it. The University of Leiden (under Leiden) is on there. The nemesis of William Bradford and the Pilgrims. He left Europe after his experience with the U of L…I’m thinking we are seeing the real Illuminati…with the Catholic Church and others…How America and Protestant Christianity have survived this long is truly a miracle…I have another site where they state the arcus foundation has funded the homosexuals in the Episcopal Church, I’ll find it and send it.

  • AndRebecca

    Don’t know where the emails go…sent two…here’s the site: http://www.standfirmininfaith.com/?/sf/page/24803

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    This is interesting:

    The New School for Social Research
    http://www.newschool.edu/nssr/

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    The link isn’t working.

  • AndRebecca

    It sure isn’t working. standfirminfaith.com is an Anglican site and they have an old article where they state the Arcus Foundation paid for Gene Robinson to travel around promoting homosexuality in their church. That A.F. partners page is amazing. Everyone from the UUs to the US government and the Rockefeller Foundation. A lot of dark money being shifted around.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    A few communist front organizations as well.

  • Sprickoló Tömegek

    Looking at actual memoirs of your “gay heroes” is bigoted, homophobic and false, apparently.

  • Al Brennan

    Bluster, vitriol, but no detail.’

  • Tony Powell

    Hey, Sprickolo! Why is Al Qaeda more compassionate than you?

    The 9/11 hijackers got to die instantly.

  • Sprickoló Tömegek

    Huh? Fact-checking on the Rainbow Cult is worse than terrorism?

    Good advice: using libbie talking points to vent your psychosis helps nobody.

  • Tony Powell

    If you oppose voluntary euthanasia, then yes, you have less compassion than Al Qaeda.