Obama’s Red Mentor Was a Pervert
AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | August 24, 2008
Clearly, this is liberal pro-Obama media bias by omission.
Covering a sensitive and explosive subject that has been off-limits for the major U.S. media, the London Daily Telegraph is now claiming that Communist Frank Marshall Davis was a strong influence over a young Barack Obama for nine years of his life, rather than just four, and was a sex pervert and pothead. The Telegraph article alleges that Davis was a bisexual engaged in “sordid” sexual activities and had repeated sexual encounters with a 13-year-old girl.
In an article headlined, “Frank Marshall Davis, alleged Communist, was early influence on Barack Obama,” writer Toby Harnden confirms everything Accuracy in Media has been reporting since February about the mysterious “Frank” in Obama’s book being Communist Party USA (CPUSA) member Frank Marshall Davis. Harnden is the Daily Telegraph’s U.S. Editor, based in Washington, D.C.
The word “alleged” in the headline is misleading, since there is no doubt that Davis, who was investigated by the FBI and various congressional and official inquiries, was a CPUSA member. In fact, as AIM has documented, Davis was involved in the CPUSA or its front activities, before, during and after World War II, and became a member of a secret communist apparatus in the 1950s after the CPUSA in Hawaii was reorganized on an underground basis. Davis died in 1987.
“Although identified only as Frank in Mr. Obama’s memoir Dreams from My Father, it has now been established that he was Frank Marshall Davis, a radical activist and journalist who had been suspected of being a member of the Communist Party in the 1950s,” Harnden reported.
Davis wasn’t just a “suspected” communist but a key CPUSA member involved in an important Soviet-sponsored network. The communists had targeted Hawaii largely because of its strategic location and importance to the U.S. defense effort. The CPUSA, which was controlled by the Soviet Communist Party, was receiving funding from the Soviet Communist Party through KGB channels as late as the 1980s.
Lies from the Washington Post
But while the London paper is reporting explosive new information about Davis and his relationship with Obama, the Washington Post on Sunday, August 24, published a 10,000-word article, supposedly on Obama’s years in Hawaii, and never once mentioned Davis. Even though the Post advertised the article as being about Obama’s “formative years” in Hawaii, the lengthy piece by David Maraniss, an associate editor at the paper and Pulitzer Prize-winner, completely ignores the fact that Davis was Obama’s mentor and adviser for a significant number of those years.
This is so despite the fact that Maraniss claims in the article and a video to be familiar with the contents of Obama’s book, Dreams From My Father, where the mysterious “Frank” makes numerous appearances and gives Obama advice on matters ranging from race relations to college and his life in the U.S.
Asked about this striking omission in his Post article, Maraniss told AIM that “My reporting conclusion was the role of ‘Frank’ had been hyped out of all proportion, both by Obama himself in his book and some others later. He did not play a role in really shaping Obama.”
This “conclusion,” of course, fails to let the readers decide, based on what Obama and others have reported. And he does not explain how he came to this conclusion.
Clearly, this is liberal pro-Obama media bias by omission. It is designed to keep the public in the dark about the role of a CPUSA member in shaping Obama’s worldview. Such a cover-up is necessary to get Obama elected.
Indeed, the Post Maraniss article is deception on a greater scale than a recent Associated Press article, which examined Davis’s role as Obama’s mentor and adviser but ignored his CPUSA activities.
As we all know by now, “Frank” was initially “established” to be Frank Marshall Davis by Gerald Horne, a writer for a CPUSA publication, who boasted about the relationship that Davis had with Obama. Horne’s remarks were brought to our attention by New Zealand blogger Trevor Loudon. Former associates of Davis in Hawaii confirmed his identification.
The Relationship Begins
Based on these sources, AIM had confirmed that Obama’s white grandfather, Stanley Dunham, picked Davis because Obama’s black father had abandoned the family and Dunham thought Obama needed a black father-figure. AIM also confirmed that Davis was Obama’s mentor during the critical years 1975-1979.
Harnden claimed in a preceding article that Obama was introduced to Davis in 1970 when he was only nine years old. This would mean that Davis was an influence over Obama for about nine full years, until Obama was 18 and went off to college.
Harnden quotes Dawna Weatherly-Williams, a friend of Davis’s, as saying that Stanley Dunham brought Obama to meet Davis in the autumn of 1970. She “was chatting with him [Davis] that late autumn afternoon as Dunham and Barry [Obama] approached,” Harnden reports.
Some accounts say that Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971. But Harnden tells me that the Punahou School, the coeducational college preparatory day school in Honolulu that Obama attended from 1971 to 1979, was adamant that Obama took his entrance examine in autumn 1970. “It’s possible he briefly went back to Indonesia before actually starting at the school,” he said.
But whether it was 1970 or 1971, this adds several years to the amount of time that Davis was exercising influence over Obama. This is enough time to have made it into a Washington Post 10,000-word account of Obama’s years in Hawaii. But Maraniss deliberately decided to ignore it.
Harnden also reports that Davis and Dunham smoked marijuana together. Dawna Weatherly-Williams said that “Frank never really did drugs, though he and Stan would smoke pot together,” the paper said.
Obama, of course, also admits that he used marijuana and cocaine in his youth.
Citing passages from Obama’s own book, Dreams From My Father, which was published in 1995, Harnden demonstrates how Obama went to “Frank” for advice about racial issues, college, and other matters at critical periods in his life. Clearly, the relationship between them, as concluded by many observers, was strong. But Maraniss of the Post decided to deliberately ignore it.
This may have something to do with the fact that the Post chairman, the late Katharine Graham, began her career as a journalist for the San Francisco News using labor leader Harry Bridges, a CPUSA member and Frank Marshall Davis associate, as a news “source.” This fact is acknowledged in an obituary of Graham on the official Post website. The Post Company and the paper today are run by members of the Graham family.
While Obama cites the radical advice that Davis gave him, he gave no hint that “Frank” was ever a communist. But the evidence shows that Davis was not only an identified member of the Communist Party USA but that his associate, Bridges, the labor leader in Hawaii, was elevated to the CPUSA central committee only with the approval of Moscow itself.
The Network
Herbert Romerstein, a former government investigator of communist activities, has documented how Davis was one of the party cadre sent to Hawaii from Chicago to organize the party there. Davis went to Hawaii after consulting with Paul Robeson, a secret CPUSA member, and Bridges, who ran the International Longshore and Warehouse Union. This labor union subsidized the newspaper, the Honolulu Record, which Davis wrote for.
Romerstein visited the archives of the Communist International, known as the Comintern, and discovered a report on Bridges, establishing him to be a member of the central committee of the CPUSA with a great future in the party. Moscow had to approve Bridges’ high-level status in the party.
Romerstein explains, “Bridges, of course, always denied party membership and attempts were made to deport him because he was a communist. He was born in Australia, but he was able to fight back because he had very, very sharp shyster lawyers and a lot of friends in the U.S. Government that helped him and they prevented his deportation. But he had been a major force promoting communism.”
We also know that, as late as the early 1970s, after he had met Obama, Davis was still associating with a CPUSA front called the American Committee for Foreign Born, which existed to prevent the deportation from the U.S. of foreign communists such as Bridges. Davis had met Bridges at the Abraham Lincoln School in Chicago, a CPUSA front.
A 1973 mailing from the American Committee for Foreign Born listed Davis as a sponsor, in addition to Harriet Bouslog, the CPUSA member and Hawaii lawyer who was his counsel during Davis’s appearance in 1956 before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee. In that appearance, Davis refused to deny he was a CPUSA member.
Sexual Perversion and Rape
Davis’s alleged sexual perversion adds a dramatic and alarming element to the controversy. Harnden reports that Davis’s sexual proclivities were documented in a 1968 pornographic novel, written just two years before Davis became Obama’s mentor, which was titled, Sex Rebel: Black (Memoirs of a Gourmet Gash). Davis wrote the book, which is now generally unavailable, under a pseudonym, Bob Greene.
Harnden flatly asserts that “The book, which closely tracks Mr. Davis’s life in Chicago and Hawaii and the fact that his first wife was black and his second white, describes in lurid detail a series of shockingly sordid sexual encounters, often involving group sex. One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr. Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called Anne. Mr. Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her.”
Harnden added, “He then described how he and his wife would have sex with the girl” many times over the course of several weeks. “On other occasions,” he added, “Mr. Davis would cruise in Hawaii parks looking for couples or female tourists to have sex with. He derived sexual gratification from bondage, simulated rape and being flogged and urinated on.”
This explosive information, if the character in the book is actually based on Davis’s own experiences, would further demonstrate why Obama would want to cover up Davis’s true identity in his book, calling him just “Frank.”
There is no question that Davis wrote the book under the pseudonym of “Bob Greene.” John Edgar Tidwell, the editor of other books by Davis, has confirmed this is the case. But Tidwell has questioned how much of Sex Rebel is based on Davis’s own life experiences and describes it as “semi-autobiographical.”
Harnden acknowledged to AIM that Davis “left himself some wiggle room, not least I suppose because of the possibility of prosecution” for statutory rape of a 13-year-old.
But in the introduction to Livin’ the Blues, a book by Davis that Tidwell edited, Tidwell reveals that Davis left behind after his death an uncompleted manuscript, “The Incredible Waikiki Jungle,” which describes how Davis “specialized in sex” during the period 1969-1976. No details are provided by Tidwell. He also says that Davis wrote another unpublished manuscript called “Mixed Sex Salad.”
Whether the book Sex Rebel is entirely based on Davis or not, the controversy certainly demonstrates that Davis had a perverted sexual interest and should not have been trusted as a mentor for any young person.
Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
Obama has not publicly responded to growing concern about his relationship with Davis, and whether Davis’s influence went beyond ideology to matters of a sexual nature. However, during a campaign appearance on Thursday, Obama accused Jerome Corsi, author of The Obama Nation, of “making stuff up” about him. Corsi devotes part of chapter 3 of his book to Davis’s role as a “Communist mentor” for Obama.
But the Obama campaign’s 40-page so-called rebuttal to Corsi’s book confirms and does not deny the Obama relationship with Davis. The rebuttal, however, doesn’t acknowledge that Davis was a communist and instead tries to depict him as a civil rights activist by dishonestly editing an article about Davis. It makes no mention of Davis’s Sex Rebel book and his interest in pornography.
With the allegations about Davis’s life as a sex pervert and consumer of illegal drugs, the pressure could mount on Obama to come clean about the mysterious relationship.
But the pressure may not be coming from the “conservative” Fox News Channel.
On August 18, Fox News aired a special program, “Presidential Character & Conduct 2008: Barack Obama,” which not only ignored Frank Marshall Davis but the association of Obama with Communist terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. The program, narrated by Bill Hemmer, a former anchor for CNN, mostly relied on friends, associates and a friendly biographer of Obama for information about the candidate.
While the program did include information about Obama’s relationship with convicted felon Tony Rezko, it concluded that Obama did nothing illegal and ignored Rezko’s involvement with a controversial Iraqi-born billionaire, Nadhmi Auchi, who has been pressuring the media to stop running negative stories about him.
One has to wonder if Auchi or his representatives got to Fox News Channel, whose parent company, News Corporation, is run by Rupert Murdoch, a vocal supporter of Obama, and is owned in part by an Arab-based Middle Eastern company.
Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of the AIM Report and can be reached at (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
104 Comments
Brian—I don’t think you quite get it. It’s true what Christ said, about judging not that ye be not judged. But while He was telling us to be meek as lambs, He also said to be wise as serpents, and I hope you’ve read the parable of the unwise steward. Christ said not to make judgments about people’s eternal souls—not as to whether or not they would make good employees, friends, spouses… and especially presidents. Especially people who can make decisions for you. And your country. It’s important to judge for yourself people’s earthly characters. And that’s why this message from AIM is so important: you’re not getting the truth from anyone else.
You’re right. Being holier-than-thou isn’t cool. But when you talk about this message from AIM as being “sewage,” maybe you’d better think again. Maybe it’s sewage, but the real sewage here isn’t their reporting, it’s the truth that they’re reporting on.
Wasn’t it Jesus who said that truth will set you free? Maybe you should reread the New Testament, bud.
Mr Sullivan, being a homosexual, which people are NOT born that way….serial killers and kleptomaniacs feel they are also, but that does not excuse the perverted behavior, does not have anything to do with having sex with a minor, or being a communist.
I am sick of hearing about homos from either side, but that still doesn’t have anything to do with the facts about who Obama associates with….Obama is a leftist radical that has not changed his way of thinking. In other words, he never grew up and he has a serious chip on his shoulder, same with his wife, and sorry to disappoint you, but Obama is NOT going to be president
“Clearly, this is liberal pro-Obama media bias by omission”
ho-hum.
Mr. Brian,
You sound like one angry person. You seem to embrace homosexuality, hate christianity, hate your country, your president, maybe even yourself. I don’t know what your ethnicity is,but if you are of the white race you might think about working to advance your own race; Why not? Don’t other races do the same???
No wonder Sheik Obama is the media darling. Marxist-Leninist, anti-American, and now personal close friends with perverts. These are in fact the people whom the Socialist-Democratic Party is attracting to its fold. An old Spanish saying comes to mind: “Tell me who you walk with, and I will tell you WHO YOU ARE!”
“SAY NO TO THE BRO ‘08 - A VOTE FOR HUSSEIN WOULD BE INSANE”
Brian Sullivan, you rants and raves show nothing but lunacy since you did not address one item about the article , but in fact went immediately into Bush-Cheney bashing. Don’t you get tired of your liberal hypocrisy of hatred. You cry out for tolerance yet give no quarter. You post lies and innuendo instead of facts in hopes that your mentally disturb brother liberals will buy in with you. People like you are the reason people like me left the Democratic Party because it is run by a bunch of perverted loons now.
JayMar.
And you could add: At the twig is bent, the tree’s inclined.
Obama is socialist. He thinks nly in terms of group interests, he does not think of idividuals.
One of his more recent insanities is that a college education is a “birth right.”
I’ve read my copy of the Declaration of Independence and I find that the only thing free men are guaranteed is “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
The pursuit of happiness, not the right to happiness.
OMG, the Democrats and thier social engineering are trying to isolate us from all of the visissitudes and vageries of life. The would socialize (pay for with tax dollars) any and all individuals’ indolence, profligacy, permiscuity, imprudence, etc. Moral and financial rectitude are mattes of no importance to Obama and his supporters, to the contrary, them seem to of no value whatsoever. “My country [twas] of thee I [once] sang.”
Brian,
It’s wonderful how you try to change the subject. What do homo’s in the Bush/Cheney admin have to do with this?
Let’s talk about why the press continues to cover for B Hussien. The press in this country could give the Soviets a run for their money.
Why is the number houses you own any concern for you or anybody? Why not cover how B Hussien came by his house and lot in Chicago? You anti-capitalists just make me sick with your crying about other peoples wealth. Grow up you cry baby.Go out and get a job and make your own money and shut the hell up about other peoples money.
Brian,
You certainly do have a talent for ranting off on tangents. This election like the last two will be decided by we the people based on the evidence of character and judgement of the candidates. So far BHO is not doing very well.
AIM is doing a far more credible job than the major news outlets.
Brian,
I, for one, think you’re right that finding strong communist links to a presidential nominee is just as terrible as using racial and sexual slurs.
Wait, what?
Hey folks it isn’t about the left and right, it is what is best and right for America. The fact they want to throw our G-d out and put anything without morals in is what bothers me. The lawlessness in this country is so out of control and America is sinking fast. Not to mention commie’s are world wide working together..where birds of feather flock together..ever see crows fly with eagles? See a difference between the America today and say the 50"s…like it? The whole plan of the gov and state is to hand us over the the one world gov and it is both Rep and Dem’s..It matters not what party or who you are, we all still want freedom, liberty and the American dream which is turning into supporting those who won’t work with those of us who do. and with jobs flying out the borders we all will be poor as the rich will rule us all, and we are letting them do it !!..Proverbs 22:7 tells us,,I take it as a warning as the UN sucks up and buys our land and helps big busines take our land and jobs…Only a Independant President who still believes in our Constitution Declaration of Indp. and our Bill of rights will work..Times change, people change and NOTHING stays the same. Media is liars..how about truth in this web ,,,wnd.com and newswithviews.com…real truth..not to bash, but to let us know what is really going on. remember Cnn and other have been bought out with Islam and commie’s and so has Fox been bought into..when one doesn’t have the whole truth, all they have is a lie..If America doesn’t find out truth before elections we are done !!
I get from Kincaid’s present article (with plenty of cited sources): That Barack Hussein Obama was raised by a pervert for not 4 years but closer to 9 years, his MOST formative years, from around 9 years to when he went to Chicago at age 18, at the urging of Davis. A man that had sex with underage white women (not only criminal but surely racist), and then sat around with Obama’s gradfather getting high on pot and who know’s what.
Obama has already admitted, that as a youth, he regularly used pot and cocaine, one can only assume that he learned this from the “positive” influences in his life - his grandfather and mentor, Frank Davis. Let’s be obvious here, where did he get his pot and cocaine? Duh! So Obama’s admission, then probably tells us that the grandfather and Davis were PERHAPS also users of cocaine and THEY were the pushers.
And while Obama has not mentioned sex perversions in his past, may we infer that if the grandfather and Davis were aiding and abetting Obama’s getting high, they may have also aided him in getting laid as a youth. Since we know that Davis was still partaking of his sex perversions well after he became a mentor to Obama, one should wonder if he aided and abetted him in this area too.
Perhaps we can now better understand why Obama was attracted to Wright’s “racist” church when he got to Chicago. Obama had to get this racism against whites from somewhere, and since he was raised by his white grandparents, then this racism could perhaps have also come from Davis, the black father figure of close to 9 years that his grandfather set him up with (and the grandfather’s pot smoking buddy) - and since Davis had the perversion of fornicating with underage white girls, one acknowledged as being just 13, this would certainly make a young Obama think that this racist behavior was right.
I won’t even suggest the implications here about the way Davis obviously treated women in general, but the article does suggest his wife was in on it also. To bad today’s laws were not there to protect these early teenaged white women from this obvious sexual predator. And this guy was “PICKED” by the grandfather Dunham to be the black father figure for Obama from about age 9 to 18? Wow! No wonder Obama went to such a racist church for 20 years - he was steeped in racism in his youth, and he certainly didn’t get that from his white grandparents. Gee, wonder where he got it?
And Brian Sullivan, first leftist out of the gate to trash Kincaid’s article, before it was even sent to AIM’s subscribers, clearly endorses this behavior by attacking Kincaid’s well sourced article. How did this man EVER become an officer and a gentleman by Act of Congress in the Marine Corps? I did not realize that the rot started so early in our military!
I’m at a loss to reply to so much nonsense. If yu scroll back thought the comments follwing the major AIM articles since 15 August, yuou will get a good idea of my religious beliefs and why I think introducing religion into politics is so dangerous. But I will repeat myself a bit. I am a practising Roman Catholic. Since I had to learn Attic Greek in high school, I decided to gon studying it in college. I learned to read Koine Greek (easier than Attic) and read through the Gospels in the original every year or so, an dip into the New Testament on more frequnet occasions.
So: 1) Allie, my translation of the passage, rendered into contemporary American speech goes something like this; “Listen up you guys! I’m telling you to go where hungry wolves hang out. But I forbid yu to use violence. So, how are you going to survive to spread my good news? You ARE going to have to be as gentle as a little bird. BUT you are also going to have to act really clever, like a crafty snake.” You seem to be teh one who hasn’t read the passage lately. Given the attitude rural Jews had about the animal in the 1st century, the idea of Jesus telling his followers to act like sheep is hilarious.
As for your other point about Jesus making a distinction between how you should refrain from judging people’s souls and, alternately, their capacity for work, leadership etc…. Well, let’s consider the totality of his teachings. Consider the lesson in his parable about vinyard workers. If Jesus make such a distinction, why did he say to living human beings that the kingdom of God was within them? What about his reply to the question of paying taxes (i.e. between your obligations to God and to the civil authorities). I could go on and on.
But here we fall into the dangerous mistake of mixing politics with religion. My interpretation of almost any passage in the Bible is based on my Roman Catholic upbringing, my Jesuit education and my ability to read the New Testament in the original. I don’t lay my religion on other people. I wish you would do the same in reverse.
Nor do I think I know a person’s understanding of Jesus’ message based on a few blogs.
2) Aman: Your words strongly suggest you are a racist pig. But yes, I sure am angry… at reptiles like you, for example.
3) Jaymar: My reply to the ignorant garbage you spewed out is contained in a long blog of mine under the 15 Aug. AIM comment on Obama’s supposed Communism. To help you find it, it begins: “You cannot be both a Moslem and a Communist…”
4) Ozark_Sunshine: As difficult as it may be for your pea-sized bran to understand the fact, I’m a conservative, not a liberal. If that confounds you, as likely it does, try reading some Edmund Burke to understand. But beware, reading Burke’s essays for understanding requires thought. You can’t seem to be able to think. You see, liberals believe that education can overcome prejudice, ignorance and malaevolence. But, as a conservative, I don’t have any such faith in the power of education. You provide a fine example for that attitude of mine.
5) JayMar (again): Where you have acquired such nonsensical ideas bewilders me. But I strongly suspect you have never read any of the classic liberal, socialist or Marxist texts. Instead, it would seem you have gathered your inane views only from sources like the AIM site. I challenge you to find any of the ideas you state as theirs in the texts of those you don’t understand but so easily denigrate. If you want a bibliography, ask and you will receive. But for starters, google “The Communist Manifesto” and read the final ten points. From that you would realize (to your horror) that the US has adopted Marxist proposals since the time of Lincoln. Now where does that lead you?
6) Keco: You think that I’m an anti-capitalist? That’s hilarious. Thanks to capitalism and my use of it, I was able to retire to do what I want ten years ago, when I was 52. What an astounding fool you are!
7)To the moral coward who still refuses to reveal who he is and who made sure he never had to fight for his country: What part of my last blog to you didn’t you understand?
8)Carl: There ARE NO such links that have the slightest relvance. Even the AIM people don’t believe that. They do believe, as you show, that they can get morons to believe that. I offer yo a challenge. ON YOUR OWN research the question.
But I will point out a few facts. You have heard of and perhaps read articles by William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard and op-ed columnist for the NY Times? His father, Irving Kristol was a Trotskyite and a leading member of the Socialist Workers party. So son Bill must surely be like his father? I guess he must be a Trot mole who slithered into eh confidence of right-wingers.
Ronald Reagan, as a long-time member of the Hollywood community and, even more, as the head of the Screen Writers Guild knew dozens if not hundreds of Communists and Socialists. he was married to Jane Wyman, who held what you almost certainly would consider left-wing views. So Pres. Reagan must have been a secret Commie, right? You sound like the illegitimate offspring of Joe McCarthy. Even hears of “guilt by association”? But seriously, even if you were Tail Gunner Joe’s bastard son, would that mean you would share his opinions. This is America, for goodness sake, where each person has the chance to make their lives what they will, free from family restraints or traditions. Think like an American, not a Soviet, for pete’s sake!
Please learn some basic grammatical rules. Do you realize why what you blogged makes no sense; in fact, that it actually states the opposite of what you seem to have intended? People tend to think they way they write. Thus, you must be some confused little puppy. If you don’t understand, show what you blogged to someone who knowes a bit about the English language, OK?
Kim is right. Fox, who claims it is ‘fair and balanced’ is now in bed with the rest of the biased media. It’s like we are already under the Commies as far as media goes. If OB gets in, we will even lose what we have, such as these sites and conservative talk radio when he and the libs bring back the so-called ‘Fairness Doctrine’. Keep forwarding the truth, friends.
Allie: It’s true what Christ said, about judging not that ye be not judged.
Actually, this is taken out of context. Jesus was throwing the moneychangers out of the temple when the Pharisees condemned this behavior. It was then that Jesus told them, “Judge not, lest ye yourselves be judged.” The corrupt and arrogant Pharisees were in no position to judge Jesus. Jesus, on the other hand….
However, we CAN assess others. While judgement is God’s job, we can make a wild guess how God might have judged, say, Hitler or Caligula (fascinating story there; the movie was graphic, but some stuff simply couldn’t be put in movies; Caligula makes Charles Manson look saintly).
And there are certain people you wouldn’t want to run into in a dark alley. We can certainly assess, but lack standing to judge. Or you can keep walking down that dark alley.
Jesus also said that if you can’t forgive someone else, God won’t forgive you. Must we forgive Hitler? I pray for understanding, but I am not given to understand some things. Then again, I figure God gives me to understand what He feels is appropriate, while leaving some things for me to suss out for myself.
Off the wall: The commandment is actually, “Thou shalt not murder,” (not “kill”); translation error. The Old Testament is filled with all kinds of smiting right and left, eg, Samson and his handling of the jawbone of an ass.
Jack…right on as usual. Do you really think Brian is Brian? Just wondering after a long trip.
“... ever see crows fly with eagles? ...” -kim
All the time! Crows constantly harass eagles (and just about any other kind of raptor), both while they’re flying and when they perch, as they are competitors for food.
“... As difficult as it may be for your pea-sized bran to understand the fact, I’m a conservative, not a liberal. ...” - BR Sullivan
So much for the liberal/conservative, left/right, Dem/Repub one-dimensional characterizations and distinctions people are determined to make between themselves.
Take my challenge, Major: go to politicalcompass.org and take the quiz and report back your coordinates. I think you’ll find yourself at about (-2.00, 4.00), right around where Benedict XVI is.
Dear Cliff,
I wouldn’t go in the field of sexual perversion if I was you. We all know your obsession for homosexuality and pedophilia is a psychological phenomena called “projection”.
Hi Julie O: Hope your trip went as you wished?
Well Brian is at least the head of the pack, and I think after this weekend we have a new Brian manifestation, dave, though AIM has not said if he also comes from the same IP. But, like you, I am still wondering if the person speaking and saying he is Brian R Sullivan is the real guy.
I have a hard time getting my mind around that a man with such a putrid mouth could have ever been a Marine Reserve Major and is the author of so many books - that look interesting to me. I get even more wondering when he has these long long rants with no paragraph structure and so many words mispelled - authors, I would think, would never write like that. And then he has the cajones to put others down for their sentence structure and mispellings. What a mess it is to try to figure out what he is even saying.
Perhaps there is an author named Brian R Sullivan, that has another man, a definitely sick minded man, going around portraying him - that would not surprise me at all. But he is the mind behind the various manifestations.
I told you that I would not be here when you got back if he was. Sorry, AIM convinced me on Friday to hang around as they were just about to lower the boom on this nasty man, but if you read posts from the weekend you will see I had little to say, and in fact there were only about 15 posts after late Saturday afternoon on all the various threads, and almost all were from Brian, or another manifestation, and all were attacking those brave enough to post.
I suspect AIM is close to taking care of the Brian problem, as they see their posters/commenters are fleeing whenever this man opens his mouth. Brian actually thinks he has a Constitutional “RIGHT” to post here and they can NOT cut him off. If he is not in for a brutal realization real soon, I will be gone.
I have blogged on far too many sites, and this man on a moderated site, would have been permanently banned on his first night here because of his belligerence, threats, and nasty mouth. AIM can not afford a moderator, wants to keep the comments going, but when they ban him, he will just come back with a different name - after all he is already here using many names. So it is setting up a way to either edit what he says or just deleting it in its entirety, and I suspect just how to go about that is what AIM is trying to figure out.
Welcome back, Julie 
Survival is a matter of rational judgment of objective facts. Those who say “judge not” are worshipers of death and some imagined fantastical life thereafter.
AIM’s message boards are essentially a far right wing circle jerk, and as soon as somebody tries to bring a little truth to the table, or simply question someone’s veracity, everyone pounces.
It is Jag H’s apparent belief that Brian and I are one and the same. That’s bizarre, but even more so is his notion that AIM will “ban” Brian. (I of course am flattered by the suggestion that we are one and the same; I’d expect that Brian may be highly insulted, and rightly so.)
Jag- “If he is not in for a brutal realization real soon, I will be gone.”
As the saying goes: “Here’s your hat and coat, what’s your hurry?” Or if that’s too tough for your to grasp there’s the ever-popular “Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.”
Either way, I lament. Jag H, we hardly knew ye.
John Galt: Those who say “judge not” are worshipers of death and some imagined fantastical life thereafter.
Well, there’s a pile of us. We’re called Christians. But I agree with your first statement (Survival is a matter of rational judgment of objective facts), which is why I distinguish between judgment and assessment.
Besides, we can judge people all we want, but does it have any beneficial effect on us? (The guy you judge today may well turn himself around and go on to do great things.) As a Christian, I believe we’re all sinners, so we are subject to judgment before entering our “imagined fantastical life thereafter.”
I have felt God’s hand at work in the lives of me and my family too many times to count, while my luck isn’t THAT good! While I can’t “know” that Christianity is the genuine article, this is why we are judged on our faith.
If we are wrong, then we’ve lost nothing. But if the unfaithful are wrong, there will be hell to pay, so to speak. Some philosopher (whose name escapes me) took it a bit further, breaking people down into four groups: the faithful who are proven right; the faithful who are proven wrong; the unfaithful who are proven right; and the unfaithful who are proven wrong.
My religion works for me…so if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it! Those who say prayer doesn’t work are simply offering a self-fulfilling prophecy: it won’t! Then again, God just might send some a lifeline to bring ‘em around. This is what happened to me.
This is why I don’t care for bigtime evangelists who claim to know the mind of God.
Anybody up for a thorough and detailed background check of Cliff Kincaid and the possible potheads, perverts, and Commies amongst his teachers, family members, counselors, mentors, and lifetime associates???
There’s probably no one alive in the U.S. today that HASN’T had, knowingly or unknowingly, at least a small number of very unsavory personal associations along the way that might be shameful or embarrassing if they were made public knowledge among that person’s current circle of associations - - maybe especially at work!
“... Besides, we can judge people all we want, but does it have any beneficial effect on us? ...” -vox
Think about that one vox and answer it yourself. Many of the comments here allude to being known by the company you keep and so forth and so on. The company you keep is a matter of judgment whether that company has a beneficial or non-beneficial effect on one, wouldn’t you say?
It appears that who ever “Brian” is, is an antagonist.
Historically, antagonists were and are placed in crowds to manipulate and guide group responses.
The rants that this person goes through, as liberal’s are wont to do, directs personal attacks in order to de-rail logical and consequential discussion.
AIM and Cliff Kincaid have shown MANY times that the information that is given has been exhaustively researched and is CORRECT.
The blatherings of such people as this “Brian” are meaningless and meant to be disruptive of constructive thought.
As the saying goes “mere spitballs aimed at a battleship”.
“AIM and Cliff Kincaid have shown MANY times that the information that is given has been exhaustively researched and is CORRECT.”
heh heh heh. sure they have, pal, sure they have.
“As the saying goes “mere spitballs aimed at a battleship”.”
“battleship”? are you high? this ain’t even a dinghy, skipper!
“... The blatherings of such people as this “Brian” are meaningless and meant to be disruptive of constructive thought. ...” -Jhed
While likely meant to be disruptive, I doubt Major Sullivan intended disrupt *constructive* thought.
Look past the name-calling and putdowns and there is some reward to reading his views. If there weren’t I doubt so many would react rather than ignoring him.
Very strange and quite presumptive Dave. The tenor of the troll post are sounding eerily the same. You come in here, obviously trolling a fairly Conservative sight and tell us to leave if we don’t like it. What bizarre but predictably true of far left behavior. We aren’t leaving Dave, but you are welcome to pick up your marbles and leave. You are not about to intimidate us into leaving. Try as you might, it will not work.
Nice work Jack. I am glad you are still here. I believe that someone has borrowed the persona of Brian. I also believe this is also a concerted group effort of basement trolls assigned to this particular site. After reading Brians first post on this thread I became even more convinced. What an incredible tirade. Whoever he is, real Brian or fake Brian, he or they are very ill. I am really leaning in the direction of the borrowed persona. If so, wouldn’t you like to see the face of the real Brian when he sees what has happened to all those years of building a reputation? If it really is him…...Some of his replies have hit google. Gosh….I hope he didn’t need that rep for anything special.
John Galt [re judging others]: Think about that one vox and answer it yourself.
The extraneous condescension aside, I was referring to “judge” in the Biblical sense of “judge not.”
Personally, I suspect that lots of people will end up in hell…but it’s simply not my call. I can sit around all day thinking that Bill Clinton will rot in hell. (That’s my guess.) But it’s simply not my call, semantics aside. This doesn’t mean I can’t assess the man, given that he’s a rapist, a liar, and serial adulterer. But being a former “rock star” (and black president), can you imagine how Bubba must absolutely loathe Obama (except for his annoying Hillary to no end)?
Judging someone in the Biblican sense and displaying either good/bad judgment are two different issues.
I try to treat people like they treat me. I tend to get along with friendly people with reasonable intelligence and avoid people who are unfriendly, especially if they’re morons. But judging members of either group is simply not my call.
We’re getting WAY too close to, say, claiming to “know” someone in the Biblical sense, which implies sexual intercourse, versus simply knowing my next door neighbor. This is a matter of semantics, which doesn’t particularly interest me. I can see both sides of the inequality.
Judging people in the Biblical sense is a bit like worrying about the past: you can sit around for hours or days doing either, but what’s in it for you? Can’t change the past or other people, either, as a general rule.
I may make rude, insulting comments about Brian R, but I do not presume to judge him as regards his afterlife.
In cleaning out my garage the other day to get a table that I took to my mother across the state over the weekend, I came across an old copy of Atlas Shrugged. Rand was an atheist. Love Atlas Shrugged, but don’t know that I would want to hang out with Rand. (She’s dead, so I suppose this is a moot point.)
The woman simply couldn’t come up with three dimensional characters, so two lovers would have to have some kind of explanatory “dialectic” before getting it on. Huge weakness in her writing. But her ideas more than made up for what she lacked as a novelist.
I applaud AIM for following the difficult path in outing this Frank Davis. Despite complaints by those who appear smarter than we are, the “self anointed” who complain bitterly about AIM’s dark intentions and general lack of humanity, Frank Davis had a significant role in Senator Obama’s life, by Obama’s own admission. I suspect that this is all about selling the art of subterfuge on Obama’s part.
I am still amazed that there are some who will not see this, but then God has told us about those who are proud in their words but will not see the truth until the end.
I am still amazed that there are some who will not see this, but then God
has told us about those who are proud in their words but will not see the
truth until the end.
I was just reading this Saturday night. Thank you for reminding me. I thought about these post and the cock sure arrogance. What is right will be wrong and what is wrong will be right.
I pray that some of these blind squirrels will regain their site. I have my doubts. They may never find the acorn.
“... If so, wouldn’t you like to see the face of the real Brian when he sees what has happened to all those years of building a reputation? ...” - Julie
There is at least one picture of Brian R. Sullivan you can find: it shows someone pinning a medal on his blouse many years ago.
Dear Mr. dave,
Your guess is correct. I’m Regis ‘63. The curriculum has changed a good deal since my time. Today there is a much greater concentration on science. 50 years ago, it stressed languages, history and literature. In the 1950s and 1960s, about 20% of every graduating class entered the seminary. (The Jesuits tried to hide their annoyance, but if a guy went into another order or joined the diocesan priesthood, he was treated with a certain coolness after he announced his choice. But that wasn’t for me. At age 15, I suddenly developed a very ,very keen appreciation for young women.) My four high school years represented the most challenging and difficult period of my entire education. I found Columbia College very easy in comparison. In fact, I had already read much at Regis which was assigned in the courses I took at Columbia in literature. I didn’t even need to take any foreign language to fulfill the Columbia requirement. When I took the French proficiency test, I was rated as having the reading level of eight college semesters. At Regis I had taken only two years. But I opted to stay with Greek, given all the miesry I had gone through the first year to learn it. In Regis, we read the Anabasis for starters, then the Odyssey. In college I read the Iliad, some of the plays and the New Testament. (I was far less found of Latin. I thought the Aeneid was a second-rate rip-off of Homer. That was a callow youth’s reaction and I’ve learned better since. But I remember thinking that the Pius Aeneas was a real jerk. I would have stayed with Dido and lived ever happily after - until I was sent to Hades for disobeyihng divine orders.) The point is that the Jesuits worked us like galley slaves. I slept seven hours a night from age 14 to 18, spent six hours in classes, spent two hours at cross country or track practice, 30 minutes eating dinner, and about seven hours doing homework (including the reading I did on the bus to and from school). Saturday was divided between more running, choir practice and more homework. Sunday meant last-minute choir practice, high mass and my only afternoon off during the entire week. Sunday night usually involved 4-5 hours of homework. Boy, did I look forward to the summer! But even that meant summer reading assignments, summer school classes my mother insisted that I take and lightning a bit of the load off her by keeping an eye on my two younger brothers, usually by taking them to play in Riverside or Central Park or going to the NYC museums. Even Marine boot camp as a reserve enlisted man or, later, the Officers Basic School at Quantico didn’t stress me as much as Regis.
From his mother, “Red Church” members, and long-time intimate associates like Davis, Ayers—who knows what others—candidate Obama has indubitably coiled from early youth with nests of treasonous snakes.
From his Black Supremacist church (sic) to extortionists like Rezsko, to his subversive extreme-Left “foundations,” Barack Hussein Obama-Soetoro’s inner circle consists exclusively of Communist fifth-columnists, certified terrorists, sex-perverts and grafting thugs.
Does BHO have any “civilian” ties, work-a-day private citizens ill-disposed to anti-Semitic racism, rancid entitlement snobs? This is who a major party acclaims its Presidential standard-bearer, literally sanctifying him as black-black-black? Come November 4th, if this creep takes more than a handful of machine-dominated States, we’ll be surprised.
“... The woman simply couldn’t come up with three dimensional characters, so two lovers would have to have some kind of explanatory “dialectic” before getting it on. ...” -vox
LOL! Some have called her novels “sophomoric” and they are somewhat correct in that, particularly as regards your point. The great value to her novels is the heros tend to inspire younger people who haven’t yet become too brainwashed or jaded.
(Ellsworth Monkton Toohey in the Fountainhead sounds a lot like present-day politicians, though.)
Her non-fiction is more rewarding for me because ranting or not, she was extremely observant and prescient about social and philosophical trends. Atheist or not, she was an unapologetic champion of laissez-faire Capitalism and Individualism.
Brian, “Pride goeth before the fall.” Watch your step. Thank you AIM.
Jim Blake, I agree. It is still about 2 1/2 months to vote day and even the slickest worms have their work cut out for them trying to keep the rot of this man hidden from all the people. Though he will probably do better than the last landslide as there are far more ignorant people that follow the Democrats like lemmings off a cliff today rather than more still free thinking people at that last landslide.
But the slickest worms are out their slithering, just as we know they are here on this site, doing and saying whatever they can to twist the truth to aid in the Obama rot coverup. And THEY ARE having some effect! Unfortunately they are not bringing anyone to that whom they work for - Obama - but they are driving opinion (me thinks) even more against Obama - and jelling opinion to being more in support of McCain.
I started these discussions a few weeks ago, even wondering whether I could stomach plugging my nose and voting for McCain. After listening to Brian R Sullivan, and his many manifestations, over these past 10 odd days, I can say I will vote for McCain in November, though I still will plug my nose, I just won’t retch while doing so, as I have already done all the retching while being a captive audience for the blowing of the windbad Sullivan, and the conning and manipulating of he and his manifestation minions.
So Sullivan, I suggest you contact the McCain camp, as at least on this site you have gone beyond the call of duty aiding in jelling Conservative support for his cause, I think. Maybe he will give you a medal - don’t think so, but probably would get the Secret Service to remove you and lock you up in the Ha Ha House where you belong.
Brian Sullivan,
You show your leftist tendencies with the suggestion that Jesus would want to hang out with “niggers, queers, and communists.”
Yet, you are right. Jesus regularly hung out with those who needed him the most. The worst sinners and criminals and profaners… Do you really want to suggest that “niggers, queers, and communists” are those who need him the most??
Actually, I do think they are part of that group.
Dear Master Hansen,
I have no idea about the state of your health. But I am beginning to wonder if you are suffering from spungiform encephalitis, Alzheimer’s or one of the venereal diseases you picked up back in the 1970s. (Be honest now, whith which did you infect yourself?) YOur memory does not seem to function. I will present some examples from your recent blogs.
My putrid mouth? Are you serious? Look back at the language you have used in your blogs, including the one in which you resorted to obscenities, profanities, vulgarisms and Anglo-Saxon words for bodily functions. I have never used such words in these blogs. Do you know what putrid means? Do you think that if you repeat the same lies over and over, they will become truths?
Secondly, you profess an intimate knowledge of the Marine Corps. Obviously, however, you have no idea (or are repressing the idea) of how most Marines, enlisted and officers, speak among themselves. If you need a refresher, wathc “Generation Kill” on HBO. I found that very accurate, indeed.
I haven’t written many books, only three, with a fourth under way. Of the three, one is classified. I write books based on years of primary research in a number of different languages. That requires me to spend a great deal of time in archives, here and abroad. That alone takes a great deal of time. Assembling what I have learned into a book takes even longer.
As you might - just might - be able to imagine, to write as much as I have on these blogs over the past week-and-a-half had required very fast typing. I know that my blogs contain many typos. I also have been guilty of minor grammatical errors. I don’t realy care, so long s my meaning is clear. If you can’t understand my ideas, that isa almost certainly due to your low intelligence and inability to reason very well. Those I point out are in short blogs which the person certainly did have enough time to write, re-read, consutl a dictionary and correct. I have never, to the best of my knowledge, mentioned an obvious typo or slip of the finger. I point out ignorant misspellings and howlers. My point is not to embarrrass the authors but to indicate the mental sloppiness, confusion or ignorance such errors indicate.
So the AIM honchos are going to lower the boom on me? It will be interesting to see if they actually do that, if so, how they try to skirt the First Amendment and FCC regs. I imagine that if anything you wrote in this regard is true, they are consulting lawyers. I hope that they are. For one thing, that will take away time and money from them.
Finally, what threats have I made? The only one I can think of is the implicit threat that if I see racism, anti-Semitism, Fascist thought, grossness, lies, ignorance and downright stupidity, I will point that out. Is that what you mean by me using “putrid” language.
Well, you tried to get the FBI to arrest me and some poor Marine colonel to report me to his superiors. Didn’t work, did it? Now you seem to be trying to get AIM to silence me. Good luck, you pitiful moron.
Have you no sense of self-respect to expose your addled and un-American thinking in public? I am increasingly astounded at your destruction of your own reputation. As I mentioned before, I have gotten a novelist friend interested in your case and have saved all your blogs for weeks back (I’ve been following you on this site for quite some time) to provide him with as complete a picture of you as possible. Who knows, you may soon gain literary immortality - although not of the kind that I think would please you.
And one more thing: you stated if I understood your correctly that you have a PhD and that I should address you as doctor. Why is there no record of a dissertation written by you? Is this another one of your fantasies?
Dear kuhnkat,
I am genuinely sorry but I could not, for the life of me, understand your point. I does seem you really didn’t understand the points I have been making in those regards. What I can tell you is that my religious beliefs, my reading of the Gospels and what I know about the history of 1st century Palestine make one thing clear: Jesus spent most of his years of preaching with the poor, sinners, outcasts and the wretched of the earth. His apostles were mostly working men. Were he to live today in the US, I imagine Jesus would do the same: teaching, preaching and healing among junkies, winos, prostitutes, pimps, petty criminals, ex-cons, oppressed racial minorities, the HIV positive, and other unfortunates. He would assemble his closest followers mostly from working class folks and the so-called working poor. To the more advantaged and those considering themselves morally superior, this would almost certainly provoke outrage, contempt and condemnation. It would lead to cries that Jesus was a traitor, a commie, a trouble-maker, a a danger to society. (Well in certain ways, he was.) If the chance arose, he would be framed, convicted and put to death on some trumped-up charge of a capital crime - or maybe just lynched. Of course, to continue this speculation, after Jesus’ apparent death… well, you know what did happen.
What happened to Mark. After reading this article I thought we would at least get a hot reply. But only “Nigger, nigger, nigger! Queer, queer, queer! Commie, commie, commie! from Brian Sullivan. Brian…did you eat Mark?
Hahahahahaha - yes, I have wondered what happened to Mark, Mark D and Mark (K******** some Hawaiian word) Davis? Do you suppose Brian is also a cannibal? Wouldn’t surprise me, he does everything else, knows all, and could even actually walk on water, I suppose, if one listens to his puffing!
Sorry Master Brian, the American Red Cross loves me because I am a regular donor and have been since Nam - which means I am free of such diseases and always have been - donated gallons and gallons now (and yes, sorry again, not all at once)
Dissertation? Had to reflect on that, but since that school is a long ways from where I am now, and there is no link any longer between us, I see no reason in not giving that out - as posters on this site do risk themselves ever letting you know how to get ahold of them - it is reasonable to fear you. Look under: America’s Forgotten President: Jefferson Finis Davis, etc etc
We will have to check out Sullivan and this cannibalizm thing? I wonder if there was a Sullivan in the Donner Party, a surviving member? Probably not lol
It will be interesting to see if they actually do that, if so, how they try to skirt the First Amendment and FCC regs….....Brian
Brian why do you have to be so funny? Go to the Daily Kos. Write an essay on how wrong you think they are. Just for grins Brian…try it. Or better yet, have Mark write it if it will make you feel better. Better spit him out first.
Then see how long it takes them to violate your first amendment rights.
Brian…sometimes you let your guard down and your ignorance slips down below your hem line. Your slip is showing.
this site proves to be the refuge of the ‘cln of the tin foil hat’ crowd.
i have never seen anyplace like it.
allegations, completely unsubstantiated, serve as ‘solid reporting’ to this crew of bottom-feeding closeted racist homophobic commiephobic kooks.
if it wasn’t so sad and pathetic it would be hilarious. but it’s deeply disturbing how riled up you people get ABOUT NOTHING THAT MATTERS.
and cliff… you need to let go of the commie thing.
you apparently have your foil inside-out. again.
So how does “Sex Rebel Black” compared thematically with “Lolita,” which is “considered by many to be one of the finest novels written in the 20th century?” In 1998, it was named the fourth greatest English language novels of the 20th century by the Modern Library,” despite also being initially dismissed as pornography, according to Wikipedia.
To many of you:
To worry about Communists undermining the US reveals only paranoia. Communism is dead and just ain’t going to get up anymore. Such worries are almost as absurd as to fear a plot by the British royal family to restore monarchical rule here. (Say, how come the queen, her eldest son and so many others from the Windsor family visit us and the Canadians so often? Must be tied in to a conspiracy!) Or you can compare the fear of a fantasy Commie conspiracy to irrational terror about a Confederate plot to bring the CSA back to life and restore slavery in the South. The intellectual weaknesses, blindnesses and folly that characterize so much human thinking will last as long as homo sapiens does. But most people also want progress, hope for better times and dream of material improvement in their lives. As far as I can tell, that means that failed political ideologies lose support, then fade away completely. New ideologies are developed in their place. Often that is a case of old vinegar in new bottles. Tyranny can exist in many forms, whether it is the Mongol yoke, Jacobin rule, Fascism or Putin’s new semi-dictatorship in Russia. But to be concerned that the Communists are threatening to take power in the US is about as ridiculous as worrying that the Comanches may start their murderous raids in Texas again.
There are, indeed, many real problems and challenges that confront us. One is soon-to-be-realized questions about creating a new human species through genetic engineering, cloning human beings, the potentially huge expansion of the human life span to possibly hundreds of years, the serious possibility of raising the average IQ to genius levels and other consequences of unravelling the DNA sequence. Another arises - though farther off in the future - from growing indications that travel faster than the speed of light may be possible.
But you sure don’t see anything on this reactionary AIM site to indicate awareness of these questions and how to address them in a democratic society.
Poor mankind. To paraphrase what e.e.cummings wrote, we have learned to fly before we have learned to think.
“ann coulter”
Hope you can think better than you write, but your immediate dive into name-calling (assuming your non-existent superiority in just about every aspect of your “comment”) is a dead give-away.
If you simply jump right in like a rabid dog, don’t expect to sway many opinions here.
Jack Nicholson: Don’t sell crazy here.
What grade are you in at school? Your writing doesn’t rise to the level of a a bright 3rd grader. There is writing…and then there’s the glop that you produced. I suspect that you required the help of a friend, but chose an idiot such as yourself.
You’re simply pathetic. The real Ann Coulter could shred you in a couple of sentences in any meaningful discussion as you are obviously incapable of meaningful discussion.
If I have used any words you don’t know, look them up in a dictionary. Any attempt at self-improvement would be a step in the right direction, since you’re starting at zero.
Have a nice day.
Brian, who would have though 50 years ago, it would be acceptable and legal to kill human babies while still in the womb? People had strong moral values, they didn’t beleive people should have sex outside of marriage or sex with the same sex. sex with children, as well as sex with animals. What is progressive about that crap? All it has done is hurt women, killed children, and in the case with perverted sex, disease , mental illness and death of the soul….
Communism may seem like it is dead to you, but it aint dead in many parts of the world.
I am never voting for a person who associates or has friends , or had mentors of leftest ideals. People who vote to kill a baby after a botch abortion because it may be a burden on the abortionist, is just ignorant self serving and sick
Obama is not going to be president. Most and a majority of Americans are not going down the path of destruction. If it happens, God save us.
My concentration is my elected representatives, we need to get rid of a lot of these Democrats and Republicans who are more concerned with their power, than with what our country needs to do to get back on track
Jack…if you are still out there. #48 post by Brian…same words as Blackcat from last week..we have at least 3 manifestations down. Good job Brian…keep posting.
Hi Julie, yes BlackHat is obviously Sullivan as is probably the new poster dave and perhaps even the newer CTR.
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Brian: To worry about Communists undermining the US reveals only paranoia. Communism is dead and just ain’t going to get up anymore.
This is a common misperception, often used against religion as well.
It’s not the economic system or set of moral values in a religion, but the power-mad sociopaths who use one or the other to become brutal dictators, eg, Stalin used communism or the common OPEC dictator via Islam.
It’s not communism that we fear: it’s the guy who wants to use it as a weapon instead of an economic system, eg, Castro. Neither do we fear all Muslims, but just the screwballs that want to use Islam as a weapon, eg, Iran.
We *do* have to be concerned about figuring out just which Muslims are the screwballs and that’s difficult. We should at least deny entry to those coming from brutal dictatorships or have been touring several of them.
Those Muslims we DO have in America, if not all of them, can be annoying in the extreme, while the groups that purport to represent them are routinely exposed as anti-American, pro-Sharia Law in America. After exposure of these groups, run ‘em down and shoot ‘em, if while trying to escape. Law&Order;is an increasingly ridiculous TV show, NOT a plan for dealing with terrorists living among us.
Considering that Katrina took out N Orleans, that left Chicago as the default most corrupt city in America, a machine politics city for quite some time. And Obama was an “activist” there? This is no choir boy.
I’ll bet his activism amounted to a lot more (or less, depending on one’s viewpoint) than “Meals on Wheels” for the elderly.
Absent his prompter and canned speech to read, Obama can’t form a coherent sentence, so it’s tough to interpret his extemporaneous remarks (the numerous “uh’s” don’t help, except to expose his inability to remember just what he believes in…except “hope” and “change”: a flood can “change” one’s house…and one can only “hope” that the damage isn’t too bad).
I believe that it was Jimmy Stewart who did a TV special portraying Clarence Darrow in a one-man show, noting a town that was so stupid that not only did no one know anything…they didn’t even suspect anything.
Obama doesn’t really know what he believes. His masters have not told him that yet. (Or he would have memorized a few high points to rattle off without a prompter and canned BS.)
Decades ago, David Brinkley speculated that one day the person most qualified to BE president mightn’t be the person most qualified to RUN for president. Obama has fulfilled Brinkley’s speculation…until recently.
It’s run pretty smooth for most of the year, but Obama, as is frequently noted, hasn’t made the sale to the American people yet.
And soon he’ll have to debate without his accessories.
McCain will eat him alive. I would look for Mac to point out that there are only 50 states, for example. How can Obama possibly respond to that except to babble and distract?
His take on the Russian invasion of Georgia wasn’t indicative of any leadership whatsoever: “Hey, gimme 3 days, and let me get back to you.” (His masters could surely tell him what to do given 3 days.)
(No need for a response, Brian. You simply raised a point that I felt like addressing. What you think is of no consequence to me, while your writing is worse, so don’t consider this a “response.” Thank you.)
Dear Mr. Athanasius (or is it St. Athanasius?),
If you are the latter, I want to compliment you on “De Incarnatione.” But I liked your “Contra Arianos” better. I’m also sorry that Emperor Julian caused you so much trouble. But you’re far above that now, aren’t you?
If I’m addressing Mr. Athanasius, I will state this: pride can also come after a fall. It’s easy to be proud of yourself and your accomplishments if you’ve not faced adversity in life. But what happens after you’ve been humiliated, defeated, cast out or beaten into submission the way John McCain was? (You know that, unlike Stockdale, who really deserved his MoH, McCain finally did what his interrogators wanted. That’s why McCain “only” got a Silver Star, not a Navy Cross or a MoH. But I digress.)
I think that the greatest test of a person’s self-worth is how they do or do not spring back from being crushed. I would say that happened to me on three occasions. To crawl out of a hole of deep depression, self-loathing, complete failure and loss of something very dear to you is extremely difficult. (Might you be reading this, Mary Carol G?) But, if you do, you acquire a great sense of pride, after you are again able to stand.
By the way, you don’t know Hebrew, do you? You quote what appears to be the King James translation. The guys who put that together deserve enormous admiration. But in the early 17th century, they lacked the knowledge to understand many of the original words. There are several words in Hebrew that can be translated “pride.” Some refer to sinful pride, like what Milton ascribes to Lucifer in “Paradise Lost.” But there is also righteous pride, such as King Shlomo felt after building the Temple.
By the way, there are a few accomplishments about which I feel great pride. But I haven’t mentioned them. You may feel, as I think you do, that I flaunt what you and others might consider claims to superiority. I don’t know how to explain what I perceive as the ignorance, folly, irrational hatred and other weaknesses I have encountered on the AIM site, without citing objective reasons for my objections (no pun intended). Thus, if I point out the sources of my disagreement (personal experience, formal education, and so forth), I’m just trying to establish my bona fides. Sorry if that offends you.
Dear Ms. voxounreason,
I find your inability to think logically very sad. Facts mean little or nothing to you. But I wonder how you will respond to reality staring you in the face? Without claiming the gift of prophecy, I’m pretty sure that McCain is going to be humiliated in the debates by a problem that is not his fault but which he cannot overcome. Several of the neurologists and psychiatrists at the National Institutes of Health, with whom I have spoken, think McCain is in the early stages of Alzheimer’s. I don’t mean that as an insult, just as an observation. So, for that reason alone, I think the debates (so-called) are not going to go well for him. More significant, is the method of forecasting US presidential election results, developed by Allan Lichtman and Vladimire Keilis-Borok in the early 1980s. They not only applied their method retroactively to see if their system produced accurate results for the elections from 1860 to 1980, it has since been used by others to validate their work in the elections from 1984 to the present.
What the Lichtman/Keilis-Borman predicts for the election in November is that Obama will win over McCain by a margin greater than any in any election since Reagans victory over Mondale. I realize you may not be persuaded. But at least google “Lichtman and Keilis-Borman” to find out for yourself.
Finally, since I doubt that you have actually taken any steps to learn how to understand serious poetry, I will suggest you read a book: Frederick L. Gwynn, Ralph W. Condee and Arthur O. Lewis, Jr., “The Case for Poetry” (Englewood Cliffs NJ: Prentice-Hall, 1954). I imagine it has been reprinted since. Don’t worry, though, that the book is part of the “conspiracy so vast” by the Commies to take over the US. Note the original date of publication, during the McCarthy period. Prentice-Hall surely feared a visit from Roy Cohn and his lover, G. David Schine, if it published a Communist approach to poetry. (You do know, don’t you that Cohn, Schine adn McCarthy were all closeted homosexuals? It wasn’t the Welch performance at Army hearings that brought down the good senator, it was Eisenhower using J. Edgar Hoover’s files detailing the three mens’ sexual orientation. Welch made a vague reference to that (“You do know what a pixie is, don’t you senator? It’s a little fairy.”) but it was the president, infuriated by McCarthy’s sliming of Eisenhower’s beloved service, who delivered the death blow.
As for “We *do* have to be concerned about figuring out just which Muslims are the screwballs and that’s difficult. We should at least deny entry to those coming from brutal dictatorships or have been touring several of them.
Those Muslims we DO have in America, if not all of them, can be annoying in the extreme, while the groups that purport to represent them are routinely exposed as anti-American, pro-Sharia Law in America. After exposure of these groups, run ‘em down and shoot ‘em, if while trying to escape.”
Well, your words speak for themselves. May Allah (which is simply the Arabic word for God, used by Arab Christians, as well as by Moslems) have mercy on you.
“... What the Lichtman/Keilis-Borman predicts for the election in November is that Obama will win over McCain by a margin greater than any in any election since Reagans victory over Mondale. ..” - BR Sullivan
While such prediction could come true, do you think that will be a GOOD thing, Major?
WRT to McQueeg’s Alzheimer’s reference, you also made an earlier remark about it being a result of Melanoma. Do you think his melanoma metastasized into his brain or something?
Dear Ms. Sarah,
I think you are referring to a blog of mine in which I dismissed the idea of “the good old days” in America as really not very good at all. But in your retort, you ignored about 90% of the evils that afflicted the US pre-1964. (That’s my own estimate when the social revolution began.) Instead, you offered your dubious opinions about sex and abortion. As a Catholic, I can hardly describe sexual license or abortion as anything other than sins. But I am also obliged to defend social and economic justice as laid down in the papal encyclicals, “De Rerum Novarum” and “Quadregesimo Anno,” as well as statements by John XXIII and John Paul II. these also cover a great deal more than sexual sins and the sins that flow out of them.
You, on the other hand, seem obsessed with sex and abortion to the exclusion of the other evils I named as disgracing the US, pre-1964.
There is another non-religious problem with your argument, however. You cannot enforce morality by law. Consider Prohibition for example, or older laws preventing divorce. I deeply appreciate separation of church & state because of the ways it has benefitted the Catholic Church and my right to exercise my religion in this country.
If I were to demand that Canon Law be the basis of criminal and civil law in the US, what if a majority insisted that, instead, their non-Catholic views on morality should be imposed on me? Furthermore, it is pretty clear from surveys taken over the past 30 years or so that about 70% of Americans want access to legal abortion. How am I to deal with that in a democracy? I can argue against abortion. I can denounce it as an abomination. I can insist that it really amounts to legalized murder. But it seems that 36 years after Roe vs. Wade, after all the pro-life arguments, demonstrations, court cases, etc. Americna public opinion has moved very little on the question. the truth is, however sad or shocking, that Americans may feel abortion is bad in general, but that they demand legal access to it for themselves.
My wife, who knows infinitely more than I ever will about biology, thinks that abortion will disappear as a burning issue when new medical technology renders it unnecessary. there may even, just possibly, be the discovery of a method of contraception that even the Catholic Church can approve. But in the meantime, how is fornication to be prevented? How are unwanted pregnancies to be avoided or women persuaded that their personal secular interests will in no way be affected by bearing an unwanted child to term? I wish that I could answer those questions. How much better if there were no abortions. How much better if every unwed mother or married woman who does not another baby would be able to give birth with no negative consequences. But even the Reagan and Bush administrations did very little or nothing to restructure the welfare system to that end. I found and find that rank hypocrisy. I think it stems from the fact that wealthy or prosperous women are less likely to find themsleves pregnant against their will. Adn even if abortion were made illegal again, they would have no problem flying to Mexico or Canada to visit an abortion clinic. What could be done to stop that? Invade and conquer our neighbors? The poor, however, are in a different position and most either don’t vote or vote Democratic. Thus, what I think should be a moral issue has really become a political issue with very serious implications. I have to live with many things I find abhorrent: legalized gambling and divorce; easy access to artificial methods of birth control my Church condemns; the imposition of the death penalty; the use of war to solve problwems that should be addressed by diplomacy or sanctions, and many others. How should I deal with that, armed insurection?
Thus, I find myself a stranger in a strange moral universe. But that, after all, is what human existence is all about. Now I see as if through smoked or dark glass. But someday, out of time, I hope to see reality in a blaze of divine glory and wisdom. Insh’allah. (I guess that proves I’m a secret Jihadist agent or Saalafist terrorist, right?)
Can’t legislate morality, yeah I’ve hear that mantra….Abortion is murder…it is against the law to kill a human unless it is self defense. Only in cases of incest and rape is what Abortion started out being all about….One word was added and a some men in black robes decided a woman can kill her own child, letting her think it is just tissue, not informing her of the possible consequence of her so call right to choose. The majority of Americans did NOT sign on to Abortion for any reason, it was for the life of the mother and in cases of rape and incest….which I do not agree with, but it would stop 98 percent of all abortions done.
there was a study done on 4000 reported rapes. Not one resulted in a pregnancy. which means statistically, the percentage of getting pregnant by a rapist is a big fat ZERO. Check out some facts at roevwade.org, and you will see just how the feminazis justified murder of innocent babies.
God has a way of punishing us all. there was even an article about it. Liberal men and women have been aborting there values and ideals for 30 some odd years now. that is a lot of libs, and many cannot have children by waiting for their careers to take off, or they had so many abortions, they just can’t get pregnant anymore. Also older women after 30 start losing the hormone that will keep them from miscarriage. Liberals will soon be insignificant. and will die out. We can only hope…
Trying to invalidate what I believe about 1 issue will not work, saying I am obsessed, sorry, but you don’t know me, and therefore cannot judge me because I talk about 1 topic….there are many evils. this is one evil I am concerned with because I have 2 female children that I teach about the sanctity of life and how precious there body is and not to let just any man in. They are very strong self controlled women, and understand that they do not have to follow what the world says is “Cool” or “Ok” Like EVERYONE ELSE, they know the difference between right and wrong.
They plan on waiting until they are married, they are not controlled by their hormones. they are in control of themselves. And they are very beautiful, inside and out. They are true feminists, and I am proud how they turned out…They are going to be great wives for great husbands. Faithful and in control, because the reality is, we are human beings, not animals. We have SELF CONTROL, and FREE WILL, and can make GOOD choices…
Its too bad that a lot of liberals out there want government to teach our children values through a corrupt education system. Not demanding that parents start stepping up and taking charge of their offspring. Teaching their own kids instead of letting the world teach them. Women need to stay home and be mothers instead of putting their careers first.
When I was a child, in my world, I had a father that worked hard to give us a nice place to live and food on the table, and a mother who loved us and her husband and stayed home and made us her career. We had neighborhood friends and played outside. No one was fat, or brain dead from watching too much TV or video games. My parents were virgins when they were married. I grew up admiring and loving my parents. My mom told me about sex and love and that they were separate from each other.She told me that you can trust a man who will wait until married, that he really truly loves you if he is willing to put that aside and love you without the sex act. She was absolutely right. My mother did what all parents need to do with their kids. TALK about the most sacred things in life. So in MY world in the 50s growing up, it was fantastic, and I never heard my father once “Bitch” about how hard or scary the world was, cause he had been to hell and back when he fought the Japanese in WWII, he went to school and got a great education and paid for it. He went to war after he went to college. My dad is a hero in my eyes,and when it came to life and the world around me, I was taught that it was hard sometimes, but not impossible to be what ever you want to be.
Last, More than half of the American population does not believe in Abortion on demand, and Abortion has gone down because the children of conservative thinkers are growing up talking to their parents,....and choosing LIFE
Need to make a correction….Abortion should only be allow to save the life of the mother but with technology these days, that is very, very , rare.
Dear Ms. Sarah,
You don’t seem to understand what separation of church and state means. You also don’t seem to understand what democracy means. That is not to state that democracy is perfect. Churchill once said that it is the worst possible kind of governmetn possible… except for all the others. That is not to say that separation of church and state leads to morality. Nor do I think that the rule of the majority leads to wise decisions on every occasion. But I suggest you study the origins fo the Thirty Years War. I sincerely mean that, read what led up to that slaughter and wnat resulted from it. That historical horror was very much in the minds of the Founding Fathers when they esablished our current form of government. In a multi-religious, multi ethnic, multi-racial society, which is what American society is more and more so with every passing day, the America you wish would return cannot.
In particular, the world of the 1950s is dead and buried, along with Eisenhower. The days of the white Protestant ascendancy are gone forever and will never return. Protestantism itself is deeply divided. You can adjust to the reality of 21st century America, stay here and live in the misery which seems to envelope you or move elsewhere. The choice is yours. But what you remember as a better America - which it was not, on the whole -is Gone with the Wind.
What a bunch of pap. God, morality and values will never be “gone with the wind”
Dear Ms. Sarah,
I can’t teach you to read. But you might try to learn. I wrote: “But what you remember as a better America - which it was not, on the whole -is Gone with the Wind.” From that you concluded that I meant that: “God, morality and values will… be “gone with the wind”? Perhaps you might study English grammar and diagram a few sentences to drive the lesson home.
At the strong risk of stating what should be obvious, I stated that what you seem to consider the “good old days” are gone and never will return. How you concluded that I think God and morality have departed forever completely baffles me. Perhaps you might re-read my blogs on the subject… very… very… s-l-o-w-l-y. Then repeat as necessary for comprehension. Come on, if primary school students can do that, you can too!
voxoreason, I’m glad to see you here, but not the person I wrongfully insulted you of being on another forum. Again I want to apologize for such a cruel, rude, and practically inhumane accusation on my part.
However I see a mutual friend immediately tried diverting attention from the published facts by resorting to innuendoes derived from his claimed eruditeness and experience. Then true to form when challenged he resorted to derisiveness, braggadocio, and ad hominem attacks.
Yet I wonder what will happen if the allegation is made that good old Frank, a bisexual who admitted as an adult that he had sexual relations with a 13 year old child, also had improper relations with a young boy who the left claims Frank didn’t influence in any manner. There’s no way such an accusation could be verified but it could unfairly damage peoples’ reputations. It’s also sad that such predators aren’t identified and dealt with sooner. Unfortunately, in our acerbic political climate of Balkanization any rumor is greeted with joy. I remember the Lovenstein Institute hoax claiming Bush had an IQ of 95. Liberal Democrats just ate it up and even today some still fall for it.
By the way, I wonder, does the poster Ann Coulter expect us to believe that she’s the columnist Ann Coulter? Maybe there’s more than one person on these boards claiming to be someone they’re not.
Anything other than marital missionary position sex can be considered “perversion,” including masturbation. Who among ye cannot be considered a “pervert”? Let them cast the first stones. Otherwise, shut the #### up!
Popolo, by your standards how can anyone oppose a candidate you believe is THE ONE? But more to the point, are you saying that anyone who opposes promiscuity, statutory rape, or perhaps even rape period should shut up?
Not voting for a particular candidate because you disagree with his sexual lifestyle is not the same as stoning that person to death. Or can’t you differentiate?
Perhaps more important is that accusations of perversion, be they sex, drugs, or financial, should be backed up by evidence that would stand up in court. Is that the point you’re trying to make? Just because one is a “newsworthy subject” IT shouldn’t make them fair game for slander and libel. Perhaps our libel and slander laws need updating giving people in the public eye better protection from spurious remarks made for partisan purposes.
Sarah….BS is only here to demoralize and intimidate. He is part of the Obama group that goes on to these blogs to badger and bully commenters. Go to some of the other conservative blogs and read about it. It is a group. Brian either has different manifestations or he is playing in the sandbox with other badgers all with the same IP address. They are trying to get you to pick up your marbles and go home. Aim is unmoderated and not able to put a stop to this. It is my understanding they are trying to get it stopped. My advice…don’t engage. Comment with others and ignore his insults.
Julie O. Good advice, I don’t waste time with blow hards who try to insult you and spew B.S. to try to make a point, when they can’t even stay on point.
Brian-
I *KNEW* it! I didn’t have what it takes to get into that hallowed institution, but my father made me take the entrance exam. He graduated from there at the age of 16. (your mention of the Jesuits combined with your mention of Greek tipped me off. My dad, between high school and college, took six years of Latin and five of Greek. We were reminded of this often.)
Another shot. A Marine pilot by the name of Tom McCarthy flew helicopters in Viet Nam. (Yeah, I know, this is a long shot, but I correctly guessed your high school! I’m on a roll.) Any chance you knew my brother? I think your time(s) there roughly coincided…
“Very strange and quite presumptive Dave. The tenor of the troll post are sounding eerily the same. You come in here, obviously trolling a fairly Conservative sight…”
ouch! I just hurt myself laughing!
“..and tell us to leave if we don’t like it.”
that’s not what I’ve done. Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. He said he’s leaving, I said “good!”
“What bizarre but predictably true of far left behavior.”
Doubling down on non sequiturs. Excellent!
“We aren’t leaving Dave, but you are welcome to pick up your marbles and leave.”
Ah, to keep my marbles when so many around me are losing theirs!
“You are not about to intimidate us into leaving. Try as you might, it will not work.”
that’s not my aim (no pun intended) but it makes sense to me that parrots that have nothing invested in their alleged point of view would assume that anyone who questions them is trying to chase them away.
Roberto:
One apology is sufficient. I didn’t attribute the quote, so I can understand why you might have thought that those were my words.
The faux “ann coulter”? I think the lower case initials give her away. Besides, as a bestselling author, I suspect that she has better things to do than to post stuff for free.
>>I remember the Lovenstein Institute hoax claiming Bush had an IQ of 95. Liberal Democrats just ate it up and even today some still fall for it.
Bush scored 1240 on the SAT, which is respectable, if not fabulous. But this is well above the triple-digit IQ threshold. If it were not for lies, libs would have nothing to say.
Clinton was regarded as an intellectual, but actually he just had a photographic memory, as has been pointed out by several sources.
Can’t wait for the debates. Obama will have a hard time explaining why he voted AGAINST the Infants Born Alive Act (his excuse: would have affected Roe vs Wade; actually, there was an amendment in both the Federal and State versions stating that this bill wouldn’t affect Roe vs Wade), which is clearly negligent homicide.
He talks about his daughters being forced to have babies. Would THEY commit this atrocity if allowed to do so? Obama’s position was to give them the option.
Dave…we do not mind a different point of view. Look at all your posts since you arrived. You are insulting, degrading, demeaning in your tone and truly an obnoxious person. You do not disagree…you antagonize. Just like Mr. Sullivan with less preening. If you want to change tact and get off the Daily Kos vile insults, fine. I believe you will have a much improved acceptance around here.
The Telegraph article alleges that Davis was a bisexual engaged in “sordid” sexual activities and had repeated sexual encounters with a 13-year-old girl. 13 year old girl? O-bama! This guy partied like it was 1999, and still had time to indoctrinate young O-bama in the finer points of communism. I have as yet to see or hear anything about O-bama’s life that even vaguely suggests that he is a good American (maybe not even an American Citizen) or that he would be an “America first” president. Everybody has a foreign policy, but when was the last time a President, or for that matter any politician was primarily concerned with taking care of Americans and America’s needs and problems FIRST, before dealing with everybody else’s issues outside of The U.S.? The Republicans really need a kick in the butt and so do the Democrats. The whole “show” is a “two party” disaster and is getting worse. Our election process has been compromised and the vote and the will of the people (At least those people that can think for themselves) has been discarded by our elected officials. We may even have a problem getting Bush to leave The Whitehouse when the time comes. It most certainly is possible and actually can happen. Check out “homeland Security”. It allows the President to stay in office indefinitely if he decides to invoke certain provisions of the “new laws”. “CHANGE”? Yes, I would like to see a real change in the way our country is run. A change where our elected officials actually keep their promises, where they really are held to the letter of the law, the requirements of their jobs and the “will of the people”. There still is time to take America back. If we all don’t start caring, educating ourselves and not only making our voices heard, but actually doing something about it, then our way of life and our wonderful country will be lost to history before long. “A true Republican or a true Democrat is someone who puts their party above their principals and their candidate above their conscience”...
“The woman simply couldn’t come up with three dimensional characters, so two lovers would have to have some kind of explanatory “dialectic” before getting it on. Huge weakness in her writing. But her ideas more than made up for what she lacked as a novelist.”
My take exactly, except you expressed it better than I could. I found the book the most tedious 1200 page slog ever, but, as you said, the ideas saved it.
“Dave…we do not mind a different point of view. Look at all your posts since you arrived. You are insulting, degrading, demeaning in your tone and truly an obnoxious person.”
I respond in kind, period.
“You do not disagree…you antagonize.”
TFB.
“Just like Mr. Sullivan with less preening.”
He explains himself in depth and with references, unlike most.
“If you want to change tact and get off the Daily Kos vile insults, fine. I believe you will have a much improved acceptance around here.”
You mean like old navy vet postulating on the likely aroma emanating from another poster’s posterior? That’s not more vile than any of my posts? That’s how I would “gain acceptance?” No thanks.
Dear Dave (McCarthy)
No, I never knew your brother. The choppers that flew with us and for us in the 1st MarDiv wee stationed at Marble Mountain. To me and my men, that was another universe. I certainly flew in a lot of CH-46s but barely spoke to the pilots, except for tactical instructions. I am forever grateful to & for the pilots of two Huey gunships, which helped get my platoon out of a very bad scene (pardon my archaic slang but Vietnam memories tends to bring it back) early on the morning of 23 Feb. 1969. But I never knew the men who flew them. “Airdales” and those of us in Marine ground forces tended to live very separate lives. That was all the more so because we had no easy place to meet. Danang was off limits to us because of the Buddhist riots in 1967 (?). Probably the longest time I ever spent with chopper crews was when, on three occasions, my men and I dragged dead and burned crew members out of downed choppers. That was a VERY dangerous to spend one’s time in country. Your brother has all my respect. Semper Fi.
Who gives a Rats Ass? It all boils down to the word “NO”. The Bush Crime Family and the Neocons do not understand that Republic concept. At least with most ‘Liberals’ they understand that much. No means you do not have the right to violate my personage or property without My Consent.
Neither O’Sammy or McChaos are fit to lead this Nation further than to the Out House, even then I excercise MY Right to Privacy to Piss or #### without Your examination of my Genetiles for that purporse or for for Your Sexual Excitement.
Most every Politico is Bought and Paid for with the Tax Dollars Congress gives Israel and the Jabotinsky Zionists. America is bent over The Barrel to accept any ‘Stinky Dink’ that happens by that needs a dumping station.
Read George Washingtons letter to the Touro Street Synagogue in 1790, As long as the linage of David supports our system of Governmant(Republic) you are welcome to be here and worship as you please. Since the Bastards have Subverted it into their Piggy Bank and Armed Warriors for The Greater Israel… the Letter is now Null and Void. Ship everyone of the Commie Bastards to Israel and leave America to Americans to live and let live.
Brian-
February would have been, I think, a couple of months before my brother arrived. He was there, as I recall, for roughly 11 months, but I don’t remember why (If I ever knew) his tour was accelerated.
You are among a select few (lucky you!) who know just what he encountered. Full disclosure here: I was a peace creep. A very high lottery number (another poster on these boards put it the way I feel: ‘the only lottery I ever won’) kept me from having to show what a wimp I am…
Another shot in the dark; I’m thinking there’s one more NYC/Jesuit connection here…Father Harry Sievers, a history professor at Fordham (and author of a book on Benjamin Harrison).
Danang was off limits in ‘69? The city itself you mean?
There was (still is?) a huge airbase and logistics center there when my brother (USMC Force Logistics) was there throughout ‘67 (13 month ‘tour’ - 2 Christmases there). That base should have still been operational in ‘69.
Dave, it doesn’t take a lot of looking to find Brian’s phone number. I’ve been thinking about phoning him about that dinner invitation, but I’m still unsure whether he was serious about that. 
JG-
My guess is he was perfectly serious, but that’s just a gut feeling.
The Major has studiously avoided reacting to my posts for several days—I’m unsure whether that’s ominous or he just got distracted by juicer targets for his, ummm, observations. LOL!
Dear Dave,
I never knew nor heard of the Jesuit you mentioned.
Your brother’s tour and mine overlapped by about four months. I rotated home in June 1969.
There was a huge fixed-wing airbase outside Danang, run by the Air Force but used by all the services. But the city itself was off-limits for the purposes of liberty or even curiosity. I was able to visit the museum with special permission on my last full day in country. But obtaining such took much effort on my part.
Don’t be so hard on yourself. There were many who opposed the war for quite legitimate reasons. Two of my closest friends went to prison for refusing induction. They have my deep respect for accepting full responsibility for their actions. It is the jerks who fled to Canada, persuaded psychiatrists to write phoney letters for them or hid behind student or teaching deferments (including such great patriots like Cheney and Wolfowitz) that earned my undying contempt.
People who mention my wife in these blogs, however that is intended, lose any chance of communication from or interaction with, me.
A Suggestion
A fear has arisen in the African-American community. Recently, the FBI and Secret Service have had similar concerns. Worries center on the possible assassination of Obama.
Much racist hate mail and blogs has suggested cause for such apprehension. Now, the arrests of Shawn Adolf, Tharin Gartrell and Nathan Johnson, as well as the unrelated conviction of David Tuason, have pushed such issues into public awareness. I do NOT accuse AIM and its bloggers of any legal wrong doing. I DO suggest a measure of self-restraint.
Recent comments by Nana, Hansen, cowboyup6, Oscar Y. Harward, Julie O, JayMar, Jhn Blake and Tim contain the following references to Obama: “arrogant ass,” “American traitor,” “Osambama,” “a true closet muslim and marxist,” “dirtier than a pig in a mud puddle,” “Osama Obama,” “Barry’s Marxist promises,” “Barry Obama,” “Sheik Obama,” “anti-American,” “treasonous snake,” “creep” and “[not] a good American.” Other AIM bloggers have avoided such moronic insults but still have accused Obama of evil intentions and wicked associations.
Such comments enjoy First Amendment protection. None constitute actionable threats nor legal jeopardy. However, they contribute to paranoia and hatred. Thus, questions of moral responsibility arise.
Remember the atmosphere of conspiracy theories, vicious remarks, unfounded fears, accusations of treason etc. that surrounded people like Timothy McVeigh and others in the Militia Movement McVeigh and Nichols alone (it seems) acted on such imbecility. But the murders they committed were partially motivated by such “thinking.”
Those of you that do so have every right to express anti-Obama sentiments. You have the right to believe and vent to almost any statement in his regard. BUT I SUGGEST AWARENESS OF POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS. It is irresponsible to foment assassination fantasies in unstable minds. (Consider the shining example of Fred Miles.) It is more dangerous to inspire - however unintentionally - individuals prepared to act on such notions. ANY OF YOU ARE FREE TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS. But please, consider the possible consequences.
There are sensible ideological reasons to oppose Obama’s election. There are, in my opinion, more to support him for president. However, reason should prevail. Much of that appears on AIM descends into bizarre paranoid fantasies. If any harm - even if distantly related to such comments - should befall Obama, his wife and their two young daughters, that would raise the question of moral responsibility. The murder of outstanding African-Americans is well-known in our history. Our society is less racist than before. But the old poison festers here and there. What might result from such, after the first African-American’s major party nomination for president by a major party? I don’t think any of us want a contemporary imitator of James Earl Ray.
FOR LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY, CONSIDER THAT WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES - EVEN IF UNINTENDED.
Tim,
Do you really find it hard to believe that Frank Marshall Davis was a communist and a libertine at the same time? During my teen years (almost half a century ago) I remember many rank and file “progressives” not only espoused socialism/communism but also favored a lacks moral lifestyle, including the use of illegal drugs, freedom from sexual inhibitions, bisexuality, and seeing work as bourgeoisie. However, the educated leaders of the socialist movement were quite different as they emphasized community involvement, education (controlled by the Federal government), government betterment based on socialism, and a work ethic that wasn’t centered around merely money. That socialism doesn’t work isn’t the point, they weren’t lazy or libertine. But somehow practical application to political realities escaped them. Thus the message was corrupted.
You’re quite right, due to the corruption of their principles, both parties need a swift kick in the pants, and perhaps a ride out of town tarred and feathered on a rail. The Democrats by and large favor open borders and a welfare nanny state, whereas the Republicans favor foreign adventurism and a corporate welfare state. Even then it must be said that both parties have strayed far from even their current party principles. Yet seeing as how America is a country of immigrants it’s not so far fetched that we might realize that provincialism or isolationism might not be a viable policy and that we would realize that stable governments and economies around the world would be beneficial to America’s self interests.
But in whose self interest is it to spread canards and innuendoes about Pres. Bush and “plans” for invoking some hidden clauses in the Patriot or Homeland Security Acts and suspending the transfer of power this January? It’s a fantasy of the paranoid far left who want an excuse for a coup d’etat by Pelosi to replace Bush and Cheney before or right after the elections. There were even some paranoid speculations by the extreme far right that Pres. Clinton was going to do the same in 2000. There’re no provisions in the Constitution or any other documents or laws that would give any president such authority. And I doubt even the JCS would go along with such an attempt at a coup. When Pres. Nixon was almost pushed over the edge just before he resigned from office there were comments made by Gen. Haig that alluded to precautions in place to prevent such an occurrence that you speculate about. When pressed, conspiracy buffs refer to some general document but can’t provide chapter and verse because they don’t exist. They might even mention Presidential Directive NSPD 51/HSPD 20, but not even that document supports their premise. So change will take place in January.
However, if you want to see real change that will strengthen what’s left of a democratic Republic under the rule of constitutional law, convince Americans to vote for term limits on Congress like those on the presidency, to support a balanced budget amendment, and a requirement for a Congressional Declaration of War with real limitations under the 1978 War Powers Resolution before a president can commit troops. While you’re at it we should pass an amendment re-emphasizing the Bill of Rights as a document that limits the Federal government in favor of individuals and states. Despite what some might think, the Bill of Rights, Article 1 Section 8, the Writ of Habeas Corpus, and the clause Supremacy Clause of the Constitution are all in serious jeopardy. In addition, we should also support laws like the Write the Bills Act, Enumerated Powers Act, One Subject At a Time Act, Read the Bills Act, Full disclosure Act, Honest Money Act, and the Full Disclosure Amendment.
These amendments and bills would provide that all bills be written by our legislators and their staff, not lobbyists, cite constitutional justification for authority under the bills, limit bills to a single subject and disclose who are behind the bills and any financial benefits they might receive directly or indirectly, require that the bills be read in their entirety before a quorum at one setting (even if it’s 2000 pages), not allow changes or additions without going thru the entire process again, require votes on every bill (keep in mind the one subject at a time bill), and put bills on the internet with comments allowed before final voting for at least 72 hours with a restart for changes. Such changes would go a long way in cleaning up the corruption, earmarks, and obtuseness of so many acts of piracy that pass for bills these days.
But I imagine we shouldn’t hold our collective breath for such honesty in government.
BRIAN: I see you put the same exact suggestion on more than one thread on this site.
My answer to your use Politically Correct words and not what you think are offensive words can be found on the thread -
Iraqi Billionaire Threatens Reporters Investigating Rezko Affair - thread on this site.
It is typical of a liberal to cast the first stone - and that is after the despicable words that have come out of your mouth. Read more at the thread listed above, but Conservatives do not like to be told what is PC and what is not PC, especially from someone that uses words of hate repeatedly. An authoritarian state tells its people what is PC to say and what is not PC, and Conservatives will ALWAYS use the non-PC words.
Brian: There are sensible ideological reasons to oppose Obama’s election. There are, in my opinion, more to support him for president.
Ah, this explains your call for self-censorship.
Actually, I agree with you on this one to an extent. Were Obama taken out, this might really rally the left, resulting in hack Joe Biden taking the Oval Office.
By all means, let us all allow Obama to lose this election fair and square, not by some assassination or even an attempt. Give the man enough rope, and he’ll hang himself with an able assist from Joe “take *my* word (or someone else’s word) for it” Biden, a lousy choice for veep.
On another note, Hillary got a sly dig in at The One by noting in her speech that she and her supporters had campaigned in “50 states, Puerto Rico, and the territories,” a reference to Obama’s claim to have campaigned in 57 states.
Despise the woman, but she gave a killer speech.
Wonder what Mary Jo Kopechne would have thought of Tedward’s mini-speech?
Then again, I’m assuming that McCain will do the stupid thing and NOT add K B Hutchinson to his ticket.
Roberto: But I imagine we shouldn’t hold our collective breath for such honesty in government.
An astute observation, but the suggestions you floated (which I’ve read elsewhere, but bear repeating) were excellent. It would certainly bolster accountability instead of back room deals, the current situation in the dems’ do-nothing Congress.
“People who mention my wife in these blogs, however that is intended, lose any chance of communication from or interaction with, me.”
That’s what I suspected—my apologies. I would point out that you suggested dining with you and her.
She has a very low Internet profile, BTW. Good for her!
Brian-
I thought it was a long shot. I suspect you would have gotten along just fine. But back on subject…
“Such comments enjoy First Amendment protection. None constitute actionable threats nor legal jeopardy. However, they contribute to paranoia and hatred. Thus, questions of moral responsibility arise.”
“Moral responsibility?” You’ve come to the wrong place, my friend. (We don’t need no stinkin’ moral responsibility!)
How interesting (but not at all surprising) that there are those on this board who feel that self-control and decorum are synonomous with censorship. In fact, Paranoid Jack will continue to use “non-PC” words to defy the “authoritarian state’s” proscription thereof. Good grief! (pardon my French)
Dear voxounreason,
The problem you face is that Obama is almost certainly going to win election to the presidency. Even many Republican leaders think so, although I’m pretty sure you have never talked to any of them in private, as I have. But there is a clue to that fact. Note how many are not going to attend the Republican convention. But if and when Obama becomes our chief executive, you are going to face a serious dilemma. Either you are going to have to face the fact that, based on your stated opinions, you are an idiot (your illusions and delusions about an Obama presidency appraoch pathology); or you are going to have to build even stronger barriers against reality. The latter can lead to psychoses.
John Gait,
I’m baffled. Did B.S. really write that “People who mention my wife in these blogs, however that is intended, lose any chance of communication from or interaction with, me?” If so, then why does he criticize others about their wives as he did me, claiming it was proof of my anti-Catholic bigotry? Does B.S. not practice what he preaches? Why do I suspect his comment was just a means of backtracking on his word?
So Mr Sullivan, if all of us on this site mention your wife (which I guess I just did, mentioned your wife), you will take your toys and go home and not ever communicate with us ever again?
It never occurred to me that it was so easy. Come on everybody, just mention Sullivan’s wife, and he will go away.
Tim,
Do you have any evidence, even suspect or flimsy, that there are provisions in any directive, executive order, law, or in the Constitution itself that a president can override or suspend an election and declare himself president for the duration of a crisis? I ask this seriously of you or even our resident historian Brian as I have some uneasy feelings about both the Patriot and Homeland Security Acts. More than a few on the left have made this contention. By the way, some on the extreme right unfairly made the same accusations against Pres. Clinton in 2000.
As I recall, Brian has alluded that there’re a lot of secrets in our laws and with his exposure in the Naval War College he might have heard things the rest many might not even suspect. Even as a conservative Republican it has long been my contention that the Bush Doctrine and the neoconservative agenda show a disdain for Benjamin Franklin’s admonition that “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety,” and for the Constitution itself.
Roberto Benitez: There is nothing in American law that would allow the president or anyone for that matter to suspend an election and continue to control the executive branch as President. Even if such was snuck into law, it is clearly unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court would be forced to declare it so, or be premanently eliminated as a power in government for knowingly violating that document.
The U S Constitution is VERY clear on the orderly transfer of power and the process in which that is allowed to happen - it is also now backed by well over 200 years of precedent. In fact, I believe, that should a President even try to do that, part of his sanction would be a trial for treason, but that is just my thoughts on that.
For such a law to be valid, it would require a Constitutional Amendment and in the current political climate, and it being as hard as it is to actually amend the Constitution, the chances are really nil it could be accomplished.
For the President to actually do this, it would really be that he would be overthrowing the present government, and that would require a whole lot of force. And to do so, would be the reason, I believe he would be sanctioned by the charge of treason against the people of the nation.
I too am an/a historian, also.
Jack Hansen,
Thanks for your excellent outline why such accusations, be they against Bush or Clinton, are so preposterous. Unfortunately there’re the incessant rumors to the contrary. I’ve yet to have anyone come back to my challenge with any information to support the contention that Bush could or would try to justify such an endeavor under the color of law or just outright as a grab for power. I realize Pres. Bush has a rather expansive view on the wartime powers of a president but I doubt he’d go that far. But the hatred of the far left for him is such that I believe that they’re willing to resort to any canard, innuendo, or prevarication in order to try and discredit him, not that he doesn’t have a lot of problems without them.
In addition, I doubt the military thru the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) would support such a putsch. In support of that contention I offered the case of Pres. Nixon and Gen Haig, although most people are unaware of the incident or its significance. Besides, military officers don’t take an oath to support a particular leader but rather to support the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. I would even venture to say a cabinet might even invoke the 25th Amendment Section 4 although the way it’s worded the VP would have to go along. I would agree with you that the consequences for such an attempt by a president could well be a trial for treason.
Dear Messrs. Benitez and Hansen,
If you re-read the blogs that passed between me and Mr. Galt, I think you will have a clear idea of what I meant and why I reacted as I did.
As for you, Mr. Benitez, I did not ask you anything about your wife’s experience with that priest and nun, until you related those events. I then expressed my sincere sympathy and asked you some questions about how you did or did not respond to that outrage. Your only reply was that I would not believe you and, for that reason, would not grant my request.
Mr. Sullivan, as I recall you opined that my relating my wife’s experience of being fired by a Catholic Parochial school was proof of my anti-Catholicism. Therefore I found it pointless to believe your expression of sympathy was genuine or to discuss the matter with you. As you had a good track record of creative interpretation of and disdain for what I said why would my reluctance to tell you more surprise you?
The usual point of discussions is to better understand and exchange points of view with others. Your entire approach to me and others has been one of confrontation thru insults, hubris, braggadocio, and false accusations. And you wonder why we don’t trust you? It’s my impression that your agenda is to disrupt conservative sites you don’t agree with.
It’s unfortunate because if you were who you’ve claimed to be with the experience you’ve claimed you’d be a most interesting person to hold a conversation with. To have taught at the Naval War College, written books on military history, been acquainted with significant political and military figures is something most of us have never had a chance to enjoy. Meeting someone who has is a great experience. But instead you choose to treat those you don’t agree with as inferiors. It’s unfortunate, ungentlemanly, and unchristian.
The Major is absolutely correct: there is a big difference between the potential consequences of the words I wrote and the words he wrote here.
Major, despite being anti-religious, I am praying that the words I rashly shot into cyberspace do not have consequences in meatspace.
Dear Mr. Benitez,
Did it ever occur to you that the despicable actions and words of two (or two hundred, or two thousand) people do not constitute reason for anumosity toward a group of some one billion?
And why or why do you think the AIM site is devoted to rational discussion? Have you been reading the comments by Andrew and Fred Miles? Do you think the garbage put out by AIM is vaguely related to the truth? (Well, it IS vaguely related. But only in the way that Communist and Nazi propaganda took a few facts and then “elaborated” on them.
I was and am quite sincere in my expression of outrage over what happened to you wife. I’m sorry you do’t think so. That’s your business.
But in terms of my main point here, have you ever read the “Inferno”? The damned whom Dante depicted in hell were overwhelmingly Catholics, including many popes, bishops and priests. The Church has lately restated what it had long ago acknowledged in its early years and in the Middle Ages. It has no monopoly on virtue, only a superior grasp of divine truth in its theology. But revealing the truth to a person hardly means he/she will accept it, Catholic or not.
Mr. Sullivan,
If you meant animosity, how have I displayed such towards 1 billion people? It is because I asked you a question on how you as a person of faith would react to a relevant scandal in your church? Or is it because I mentioned in another context that my wife had been fired from a Catholic School? Are you saying that for an outsider, an infidel if you will, to supposedly criticize any aspect of Catholicism is to demonstrate animosity towards Catholicism?
Let me ask you some other questions. In your beliefs, do you really think any conservative site is “devoted” to rational discussion? By the way, is Andrew and Fred Miles regular columnists or officers of AIM? If no on either question, are the DaillyKos, the Huffington Post, and moveon.org sites for rational discussion by your standards? Are you saying that the claims by Kincaid about Frank Marshall Davis being a communist, a sexual pervert, and a friend/mentor of Obama are false?
You say you were sincere in your outrage about what happened to my wife. How then does claiming that my even mentioning that is proof of my anti-Catholicism proof your sincerity? You’ve intentionally cut off civil discussion. As far as it being my business, well, I hold up this issue as proof of your insincerity and lack of integrity. This response itself is not to convince you of anything, but to show others about your tactics.
As for the main issue, it wasn’t about the Catholic Church’s claimed superior grasp of divine truth in theology, nor was it about Chaucer’s “Inferno.” The main issue of my post dealt with your lack of integrity in dealing with other posters; your confrontation thru insults, hubris, braggadocio, and false accusations, and the fact that if you were who and what you claimed to be and were able to carry on a civil discussion, you’d have quite a bit to offer as a professor at a War College who has written books on military history with contacts at high levels of the government to the forum.
Dear Mr. Benitez,
What follows is the quickest and mot simple way t respond to your latest questions. My answers ar in upper case.
Mr. Sullivan,
If you meant animosity, how have I displayed such towards 1 billion people? JUST RE-READ YOUR PREVIOUS BLOGS.It is because I asked you a question on how you as a person of faith would react to a relevant scandal in your church? NO.Or is it because I mentioned in another context that my wife had been fired from a Catholic School? NO AGAIN. IT WAS HOW YOU POSED SUCH QUERIES. Are you saying that for an outsider, an infidel if you will, to supposedly criticize any aspect of Catholicism is to demonstrate animosity towards Catholicism? NO. AND I MADE CLEAR THAT YOU ARE NOT AN INFIDEL BUT AN APOSTATE AND A HERETIC - UNDER CANON LAW. BUT GIVEN SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE, THERE ARE NO CONSEQUENCES IN THIS LIFE AND IN THIS COUNTRY.
Let me ask you some other questions. In your beliefs, do you really think any conservative site is “devoted” to rational discussion? YES.By the way, is Andrew and Fred Miles regular columnists or officers of AIM? NO.If no on either question, are the DaillyKos, the Huffington Post, and moveon.org sites for rational discussion by your standards? NO, THEY CERTAINLY ARE NOT. Are you saying that the claims by Kincaid about Frank Marshall Davis being a communist, a sexual pervert, and a friend/mentor of Obama are false? I DON’T KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER DONE MY OWN RESEARCH ON THE QUESTION. MY IMPRESSION IS THAT KINCAID CREATED A PASTICHE OF TRUTH, LIES, INNUENDOES, HALF-TRUTHS, MCCARTHY-LIKE SMEARS, NON SEQUITURS AND IRRELEVANT FACTS.
You say you were sincere in your outrage about what happened to my wife. How then does claiming that my even mentioning that is proof of my anti-Catholicism proof your sincerity? PLEASE RE-READ WHAT I WROTE ON THE SUBJECT - CAREFULLY. You’ve intentionally cut off civil discussion. As far as it being my business, well, I hold up this issue as proof of your insincerity and lack of integrity. This response itself is not to convince you of anything, but to show others about your tactics. THAT’S YOUR RIGHT.
As for the main issue, it wasn’t about the Catholic Church’s claimed superior grasp of divine truth in theology, nor was it about Chaucer’s “Inferno.” The main issue of my post dealt with your lack of integrity in dealing with other posters; your confrontation thru insults, hubris, braggadocio, and false accusations, and the fact that if you were who and what you claimed to be and were able to carry on a civil discussion, you’d have quite a bit to offer as a professor at a War College who has written books on military history with contacts at high levels of the government to the forum.
Posters seem to have moved away from the original point of discussion; whether or not the mentor of the young Obama was a communist, an immoral libertine and - gasp - a “pervert”.
Lets do some simple math: “Frank” married his second wife in 1946 and moved to Hawaii in 1948.
“Anne”, the girl of 13 with whom “Frank” and his first wife engaged in several consensual threesomes - “Anne” enjoyed herself so much that she came back for more - must have been born no later than 1933 and probably quite a few years earlier.
[In any case, thirteen-year-old girls were of marriageable age in several U.S. States back then - although three-in-a-bed hanky-panky was certainly frowned on in respectable circles.]
A simple calculation makes “Anne” at least 75 and probably closer to 80.
Can’t Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and their chums track “Anne” down - if she’s still alive - and drag her into the light of day as proof that Obama was - we are told - “mentored” by a bolshie libertine of the Henry Miller type.
In a really tight election like the one in which the traitorous Al Gore was eventually defeated by the forces of righteousness such a last-minute revelation might sway enough decided voters into sending Senator McCain to the White House !
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Well now, shall I reveal the homosexuals in the Bush-Cheney administration? Having spent many years in the fedearl governemnt, I know about quite a few. But for me to make such revelations public, would be to put my soul in peril of eternal perdition. Remember what Paul of Tarsus said bout charity being the greatest of virtues. Would that the bottom feeders of AIM paid some attention to that.
We know, of course, about Cheney’s daughter. We know that Cheney has stated how proud he is of her. BUT WHAT POSSIBLE RELEVANCE TO THE ENORMOUS PROBLEMS THAT FACE OUT NATION LIES IN THIS? Does anybody still think that homosexuals choose their sexual orientation? Would anybody, even today, choose to live with the contempt and discrimination heaped upon people for something over which they have no control? When asked if he thought homosexuality was something a person chose or was born with, Pres. Bush stated that he did not know. Really. When did he decide?
Why should AIM pull its punches any more? Why not just runs comments that state: “Nigger, nigger, nigger! Queer, queer, queer! Commie, commie, commie!”? As for you who are Christians out there, think about the kind of people Jesus spent his time with. Who would he hang out with today? People who don’t know how many houses they own? People who think they are holier than thou? People who tell lies in order to win elections? People whjo make Joe McCarthy seem like the epitome of fairness an reason? Remember the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican? For the sake of all things holy, think about the implications of such sewage.