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McCain Feeds Palin to the Wolves


AIM Column  |  By Cliff Kincaid  |  September 12, 2008


As a governor, the McCain campaign knew that her expertise wasn’t foreign policy.

The McCain campaign is running an ad saying the wolves are out to get Sarah Palin. But the campaign fed her to the wolves in the Charlie Gibson interview. The interview, at least the part on foreign policy, looked like a police interrogation. The only thing missing was a rubber hose.  

Conservative bloggers are complaining about Gibson’s performance, saying he got some facts wrong. But police have the right to lie in order to get a confession. The McCain campaign knew this going in. 

The Powerline blog says that Palin “did very well.” But she didn’t come across as clearly understanding the question about the Bush Doctrine. Then, she endorsed NATO protection of the former Soviet republics, raising the prospect of war with Russia, when NATO can’t even finish the job in Afghanistan. Palin was adopting the questionable McCain NATO position as her own, and it came across as contrived.

Conservative blogger William Dyer, trying to defend Palin’s lack of detailed knowledge about the Bush doctrine, says that there are different meanings of the term. The Gibson question should have been more specific. But when she replied, “his worldview?” Gibson knew that he had her. The Bush Doctrine is more than a worldview. It is a strategy for winning the war against Islamic terrorism and neutralizing regimes that emerge as threats to America and its allies.  

When asked about the Bush Doctrine, she should have said:

“Mr. Gibson, I’m not going to get into the details of the Bush Doctrine with you. I will leave that to the foreign policy experts. Let me tell you that my son is preparing to put his life on the line for his fellow citizens. And it’s because of moms like me―and sons like mine―that we have a military to fight terrorists. I will be an advocate for those military moms and our troops when I get into the White House. I will make sure they have superior medical care. And I will continue to advocate for a victory in this war. And, yes, I pray that our troops will be successful and that God is on our side.”

Based on what we know about Palin, especially the YouTube videos of her speaking in church, this is probably what she believes. But she was transformed into a female version of McCain during the Gibson interview. They should have “Let Palin be Palin.”

What clearly happened, based on stories about McCain aides traveling with and advising her, is that she was taken into a room somewhere and her head was filled with McCain’s foreign policy views. She did express her own opinion on the need to drill for oil in ANWR, but seemed to back away from her previous statements that humans are not the cause of global warming.  

Why did she have to prove herself to Charles Gibson anyway? She could have gone on friendlier programs, like Rush Limbaugh’s radio show. The liberal media would have screamed. But so what? 

I warned in a column that the liberal media would go after her and practice “gotcha” journalism. But the McCain campaign was stampeded into quickly making her available for a media grilling. They figured Charles Gibson would be a shark with fewer teeth. It’s true that he does have a more gentle demeanor than, say, a Chris Matthews, but Gibson knew that he would have to go after her in order to get his colleagues’ approval.

As a governor, the McCain campaign knew that her expertise wasn’t foreign policy. But they turned her over to Gibson anyway. What voters are looking for is someone who has basic knowledge of foreign policy issues and a pro-American view, not an encyclopedic grasp of foreign policy doctrines and legislation that has been before Sen. Joe Biden’s Senate Foreign Relations committee.

Yet McCain himself now says that Palin will be doing “numerous” interviews and having “a lot of conversations with the media.” This is a recipe for more controversies and “gotcha” journalism.

Palin should handle foreign policy in the same way she handles pro-life and family issues―by speaking from the heart. Good old-fashioned patriotism, which she has in abundance, will make a major impression in this regard.

If McCain’s people think she is going to impress the media by trying to sound like a legal scholar from a think tank, they are going to leave her open to attack on literally dozens of issues.    

It’s true, of course, that Obama and Biden also make errors. But they’ve got media support, and that can make all the difference.

The Democratic ticket, for example, features a plagiarist as the vice-presidential candidate. If Palin had such a résumé, she would never have been nominated. Thanks to the liberal media’s double standard, that’s just the way it is. The McCain campaign should not have to be told that Palin will always have to meet a higher standard and that the liberal media will always make sure that she doesn’t pass the test.

Consider the newest controversy. The media are now apoplectic over the alleged “lies” being told in some controversial ads against Obama. It’s true that the sex education ad against Obama was a big stretch. It had to do with something from Obama’s state senate days, and has no national significance. Meanwhile, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis has told blogger Hugh Hewitt that they will not be making Obama’s relationship with communist terrorist Bill Ayers “a big case in the campaign.” This is an issue that requires no exaggeration, only facts. But it is off the table.

Obama’s running mate was found guilty of plagiarism, which is a form of lying, when he was caught using the life story of a British politician as his own. Biden also cheated in law school. This is far more serious than not knowing the details of the Bush Doctrine, because it goes to the heart of one’s character. But the McCain campaign seems to be giving the Obama-Biden ticket a pass on that, too.  They better get their act together before the Biden-Palin debate.

John M. Broder has a fascinating article in the International Herald Tribune about Biden’s recent series of gaffes on the campaign trail. Biden aides are quoted as saying this proves that he is authentic and human.

This is an interesting defense for making a fool of oneself. But if Palin were defended in this way, she would become a national laughingstock. She is expected to be perfect.

Obama has said “Enough is enough” about the misleading McCain ads. Palin should say “Enough is enough” as well. There is no reason to play a game of hangman with the media. She should tell the McCain campaign that she wants to shoot wolves, not be fed to them.


Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of the AIM Report and can be reached at (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)


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Renee
September 12  at  4:49 pm  |  #1  |  Link

How can you give a proper answer to Gibson’s question on Bush Doctrine if Gibson himself doesn’t know the meaning of Bush Doctrine?  Even Barack has his own mis-understanding of the concept.

It’s only right for Sarah to ask clarification from Gibson about what he was really trying to ask re. Bush Doctrine.

In this issue alone, Sarah showed her wits.  She knew it was a trap.  She knew that Gibson (based on his response) was trying to tie Sarah with the Bush Administration. 

GIBSON’S IDEA OF PREEMPTIVE STRIKE AS BUSH DOCTRINE IS A FARCE.

Sarah properly responded to Gibson by emphasizing that SHE IS A MOTHER OF ONE OF THOSE SOLDIERS and enumerated the basic tenets of a good foreign policy. Sarah emphasized on the principles of a good leader (totally outside the box of Bush Doctrine) in handling foreign policy.  Sarah mentioned all these principles as her MORAL COMPASS as a leader of this nation if things go to that direction.

Robert
September 12  at  6:21 pm  |  #2  |  Link

I think the McCain campaign dodged a bullet. It was instructive to test the hostile media waters with a relatively docile interviewer. They will be more careful to choose their media next time. Not so easy, as there are far more sharks gunning for Palin than Obama. Obama doesn’t have to be so selective, as 90% of the media are in the bag for him. The only reason Obama allowed O’Reilly to interview him is because he is needs to try to seduce conservatives. The interview was inconclusive because O’Reilly was told by the campaign in advance not to ‘embarrass’ the messiah and O’Reilly apparently obliged. Can you imagine McCain’s campaign warning Gibson similarly?

Jean
September 12  at  8:19 pm  |  #3  |  Link

The tension is too much.  I will vote for Sen. McCain.  I really like Gov. Sarah Palin. We cannot have Obama in the Oval Office, God willing.  If Obama wins in November, than the people will get what they deserve.  I too am disappointed in Bill O’Reilly’s interview.  He didn’t have a very good one.

David Goodis
September 13  at  1:54 am  |  #4  |  Link

It makes no sense to fantasize about why Palin failed to answer these questions, or to provide the “proper answer” you believe she would’ve given. Will you be phoning in the rest of her tenure in the White House, or just channelling her astral presence? You’ll have to bend over backwards and construct a lot of twisty logic to buffer her from what are clearly unsophisticated understandings of pertinent issues.

The other flaw in reasoning here is to argue that she was merely rehashing McCain’s policies, which even you admit are “questionable.” Palin is not running for President; McCain, the one with “questionable” policies, is. If even you can point out the problems with McCain’s foreign policy, why are you asking us to elect him?

Gary K
September 13  at  5:45 am  |  #5  |  Link

Gov. Palin didn’t “fail” to answer Mr. Gibson’s questions. It is her role as the VP pick to tow Sen. McCain’s line. And her “failed” answer satisfied me. If she continues to talk clearly and openly she will only grow more popular. People such as myself find her attitude refreshing. 

The wolves are devious, and there should to be more discussion on ABC’s blatant edit of the Video where she was praying for our troops and country.  Therefore, selective wolf feeding is called for, but McCain’s and Palin’s message can still be heard with little damage.

Pertinent issues David #4? Leaders don’t need to know the details of pertinent issues; they need the ability to inspire those that do, to do great things.  A leader must be able to sort out who knows those issues, then Lead.  Success isn’t always clear to observers, but it is often clear to those on the receiving end of said leadership.  Iraq / Afghanistan for example. Pres. Bush has led our country with a kicking and screaming media, etc. the whole way through a war that many feel has failed, but I guarantee you that the enemy knows they have lost.  They only survive by actively hiding, disguise, and subterfuge.

We as Americans whom vote, should focus on who may lead us, who has led before, and who can lead now.  Our choice in this election is plain, even if not ideal for you. 

Sen. Obama’s acceptance speech is full of empty promises; filled with “I will” this and “I will” that.  Empty, because he’s never done these things while in Congress and what’s promised is not in the Presidents power but Congresses.  He hasn’t led before in Congress, so will not lead us now; therefore all Sen. Obama promises is to be led by others.  Sen. McCain’s speech was full of “I am” honored, “I am” proud.  These humble words used to highlight his past service; but when taken with his past leadership in Congress, albeit often to my displeasure, suggest leadership from him in future. 

Sen. McCain clearly asked for the honor to lead.  Sen. Obama asked clearly to lead so that we may feel honored.  Gov. Palin is solidly on board, where Sen. Biden is not.  Let the wolves try their games; where the truth is revealed, we see they are only lap dogs.

Robert
September 13  at  10:08 am  |  #6  |  Link

Of course, it might help y’all to know that the “wolves” love to edit the released content to sneak in their bias upon the viewers.

http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/

ladytexan
September 13  at  10:09 am  |  #7  |  Link

The word ‘leader/s’ bothers me.  That means we are followers and we are not supposed to be.

I do believe that the CEO, if you will, should have at least a grasp of the facts and reasons before going to war.  I don’t think someone running a country like this should just sit back and be talked into a war by people perhaps with an agenda other than what is best for the country.  To think that the head of a country will give approval to waging war without having a firm grasp of the situation, the reason - whether it is in our best interest, just, moral or not, the cost (in lives and money), etc., seems like a dangerous situation.

If one doesn’t know the facts, learn them before committing this country to war.

This isn’t some pork barrel project, which if it doesn’t pan out, can be changed and all it cost us was some money.

I’m not really comfortable with saying let them do the job, we are just too ignorant to be told the facts.  Certainly some things must be kept secret.  With all the hoopla by the administration and its people building up to the war, the TV coverage of our very troop movement, the how/when/where, etc., it seems secrecy was only something to be practised with the American people.  Iraq, and the entire world, know our time table and that’s the important thing for them, I’d think.

The media was very complicit in the fear mongering.  WE heard the speeches, over and over again, about the WMD, mushroom shaped clouds, capable of launching an attack in 45 minutes, and ‘we know where they are, we know what they are, we know how much they have, and the red ‘x’ marks the spot.’

The media did a very good job of helping us get into this war.

Without the media’s silence on the war, I’m thinking the people of this country might have had a different reaction.

I S
September 13  at  10:55 am  |  #8  |  Link

If McCain has fed her to the wolves, then maybe its because she’s the legendary frozen blood knife.

David Goodis
September 13  at  11:10 am  |  #9  |  Link

“Leaders don’t need to know the details of pertinent issues; they need the ability to inspire those that do, to do great things.”

Let’s follow out this logic for a minute, because I want to take it seriously. I believe a lot of people actually buy into this.

This notion of leadership is actually known within psychology as “fuhrer mentality.” Based on it, one might just as easily hire a celebrity to lead us, or a really good car salesman, or a corporate icon, like the Burger King. And exactly what does Sarah Palin inspire in people? If you examine her closely, yes, she’s an intelligent woman; sure, she has chutzpah; but should Americans actively seek to emulate her inability to answer basic questions about American foreign policy? Do I look at the students in my classes and say to them, “Well, our VP doesn’t grasp the basics, and you shouldn’t have to either; just make sure to hire people who do. Let’s focus on those skills today.” I’m not kidding. And if a potential Vice President can have her ignorance exposed by the simple question of a journalist, is she really ready to take on the rest of the world? At some point, her surface attractiveness must reach its limit. She is just simply out of her depth here, and that is patently obvious.

David Goodis
September 13  at  11:14 am  |  #10  |  Link

And, again, Gary K:

“The other flaw in reasoning here is to argue that she was merely rehashing McCain’s policies, which even you admit are “questionable.” Palin is not running for President; McCain, the one with “questionable” policies, is. If even you can point out the problems with McCain’s foreign policy, why are you asking us to elect him?”

emperor zero
September 13  at  11:17 am  |  #11  |  Link

David dearest:

Who ..uh.. could follow BusHitler’s ..uh.. foreign policy through ..uh.. its several changes over the last 7+ years? My ..uh.. buddy Charlie purposely asked about ..uh.. “THE Bush Doctrine” so as to ..uh.. confuse Mrs. MooseBreath over ..uh.. what exactly Charlie was asking.

meryl smith
September 13  at  1:30 pm  |  #12  |  Link

ladytexan
September 13  at  3:04 pm  |  #13  |  Link

David,

We sort of agree there.

The choice of the word ‘leader’ was not by chance.  There are leaders and followers - we are supposed to simply follow whatever our ‘leaders’ want to do?

We should simply put these people in the awesome position of running this great country, giving them unimaginable power, and then God forbid, that we question them?

Whatever we do, don’t criticize them, or we are anti-American.

As someone asked Mr. Clinton during a campaign, ‘Pretend we are all your children—-’.  I believe Rush Limbaugh poked fun at that man for a very long time.  Yet, it’s OK to say that our ‘leader’ doesn’t have to know what he/she is doing, we should just be good little followers - and never question or criticize.

I’m astounding that anyone would suggest that we, in what is supposed to be an of,for,by the people government, should not question those in charge?

David Goodis
September 13  at  5:57 pm  |  #14  |  Link

ladytexan,

Yes, it’s a very awful state of affairs. I remember quite distinctly that after 9/11 it was practically a treasonous act to do anything other than follow the president’s lead. There was no questioning, no space opened at all for critical thinking. I understand that we felt imperiled. I felt imperiled, of course. But the inability to question those in charge is a hallmark of what we normally consider totalitarian states. To have my questions questioned, to be told I’m unamerican for simply posing a challenge to the wisdom of the leader, is, again, another quality of a totalitarian regime—only in this way, citizens play the role of the fascist lieutenants. Putting it this way seems much too dramatic, I’m sure, but maybe in a way it isn’t dramatic enough, I don’t know. We don’t live in a fascist regime, quite obviously, but I have a suspicion that our politicians have learned something decisive from the strategies deployed by National Socialism. If citizens feel enough fear, they will look to the leader for answers—no matter how those answers might crumble later under rational scrutiny. I’m stunned all the time at the amount of personal freedoms people are willing to give up—the surveillance methods and unconstitutional detainment, the shift of power over to the executive branch of the government, which had been weakened after Nixon—all as a result of fear. The media is certainly to blame for much of this, since fear is the thing they sell, no matter who’s in the White House. At this point I don’t care if all of this was a conscious intent of an administration, or if it happened as a baleful result of the attacks. But the totalitarian behaviors the attacks engendered must be brought to an end.

Julie O.
September 13  at  6:05 pm  |  #15  |  Link

Spare me Meryl. Just another nature control freak are you? Do you have any idea what the Liberal whiny environmental whackos have done by messing with Mother nature and stepping in when they should leave well enough alone. No I doubt that you do. From the time of earliest Man, nature coexisted beautifully…..the hunter as well as the hunted. It wasn’t until the interference of liberal do gooders and whiney hearts about the poor wittle wolvesies and beautiful little bambies ooooohhh they are soooooo cute. Then the deer hunters were kept from doing there job and wild animals were restocked in places they never were indigenous anyway upsetting natures apple cart. I had 50 deer crossing my front yard this morning. They are starving in this drought my dear. But don’t hunt them because that is cruel. When the heck are you libs going to grow a brain? There was a balance before you interfered. Now there is chaos and imbalance.

I will never forget this story. When living in North Georgia there was a huge white long necked bird that would haunt my pond. A native of the area told me the do gooder liberals brought the bird in because they believed it was once indigenous. It wasn’t and the birds are a problem. Leave it alone for Godsake. Sarah Palin has more of a since for Nature and what is good for her than you ever will.

Julie O.
September 13  at  6:14 pm  |  #16  |  Link

I don’t think Palen would let herself be used as a pawn. This article is the first one you have written Cliff that I had a bad feeling about when I saw the title.

Sarah has proven herself to be no lightweight. Once again, a jounalist victimized himself. I immediately heard how horrible he looked “like a condesending teacher”. It stirred the public even more. The more the interviewers try to chew on her and trip her up, her popularity grows and she gets smarter.

I’m not worried about Sarah Palen Cliff. She is using them like little learning tools. They are training her and they are completely unaware. They march around with puffed up chest like they just got the girl. Uh uh…she polished off another school book. She’ll get all A’s.

Julie O.
September 13  at  6:24 pm  |  #17  |  Link

Lady Texan….just came in on my computer


Ike has weakened to a tropical storm over eastern Texas, but winds remain near 60 mph and heavy rains and tornadoes are still a threat.
The National Hurricane Center in Miami says the storm’s center is just southeast of Palestine, Texas, and moving toward the north near 16 mph.

djn
September 13  at  6:27 pm  |  #18  |  Link

Charlie Gibson and ABC news edited the Sarah Palin interview in order to make her look weak to viewers in the USA and to people around the world. Our network newscasters are no longer to be trusted, along with other major news outlets, who have let their own political bias transform professional journalists into political operatives.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/13/abc-news-edited-out-key-parts-sarah-palin-interview

ladytexan
September 13  at  6:40 pm  |  #19  |  Link

Julie,

I’m in total agreement regarding interference in things where they should not.

I’ll concede I do think there are legimate areas for the enviromentalists to interfere.

Illegal immigration is one.

The border crossings and trails are littered with trash, needles, etc. Fresh water supplies are deliberately polluted. Plants are destroyed. They are cutting down the sequoria and other desert plants.  Just let a citizen cut down a sequoia -

Think of the stress of millions and millions of additional people on our dwindling fresh water supply here in Texas.

The first thing many of them do when they get a little money is buy an automobile.  I have seldom seen illegals in a small gas saver and never in a hybrid.  It is usually a large pickup or SUV.  That has created more and more gas consumers and pollutants into the atmosphere.  It is not a good thing, but I don’t think you will find Al Gore speaking out about it.

Another thing that bothers me is the strip mining for coal.  It literally destroys the shallow water tables, people’s wells, and I’m thinking the run off has got to pollute the lakes and rivers.

Also, the ‘reclaimed’ land around here so far doesn’t seem to be good for growing food or grazing animals.  They are planting pine forests, which is better than some that was just planted with grass and nothing can use it.

This helps to illustrate the hypocrisy of the environmental groups.

Yes, the deer and other wild animals have to be thinned.  In dry times, they get diseased and they also destroy crops, move nearer civilization and onto the highways. 

My husband grazed (as in barely hit) a deer once, in his Nissan,  crinkling one front fender.  About 2 months later, he took to the ditch to avoid another, but grazed it also - crinkle on the other side.

Someone asked him once if he was going hunting this year.  He said, ‘No, but I am going to get deer tags for my car.’

We can’t live in harmony with wild animals as we once did, there are too many of us.  Moving wolves around is just silly.  It is sad they have been pushed out, but absolutely silly, to reintroduce them in some areas. 


Now I’m not a fan of hunting for sport.  If you or someone else eat the kill, I’m fine.  If you have to kill to protect yourself or property, I’m fine with that.  I also understand the concept of thinning a herd.

A friend’s son helped them ‘harvest’ some deer last year and we were the very greatful recipients of 2 deer.  It was my first time, other than making sausage, to ever cook deer meat.  Great chili!!

ladytexan
September 13  at  6:46 pm  |  #20  |  Link

Julie,

Yes, the last time I looked the center was right over us.  It is really calm right now, haven’t heard any tornado warnings for this area - yet - knocking on wood.

Thanks for the info,

I’m in total agreement regarding interference in things where they should not.

I’ll concede I do think there are legimate areas for the enviromentalists to interfere.

Illegal immigration is one.

The border crossings and trails are littered with trash, needles, etc. Fresh water supplies are deliberately polluted. Plants are destroyed. They are cutting down the sequoria and other desert plants.  Just let a citizen cut down a sequoia -

Think of the stress of millions and millions of additional people on our dwindling fresh water supply here in Texas.

The first thing many of them do when they get a little money is buy an automobile.  I have seldom seen illegals in a small gas saver and never in a hybrid.  It is usually a large pickup or SUV.  That has created more and more gas consumers and pollutants into the atmosphere.  It is not a good thing, but I don’t think you will find Al Gore speaking out about it.

Another thing that bothers me is the strip mining for coal.  It literally destroys the shallow water tables, people’s wells, and I’m thinking the run off has got to pollute the lakes and rivers.

Also, the ‘reclaimed’ land around here so far doesn’t seem to be good for growing food or grazing animals.  They are planting pine forests, which is better than some that was just planted with grass and nothing can use it.

This helps to illustrate the hypocrisy of the environmental groups.

Yes, the deer and other wild animals have to be thinned.  In dry times, they get diseased and they also destroy crops, move nearer civilization and onto the highways. 

My husband grazed (as in barely hit) a deer once, in his Nissan,  crinkling one front fender.  About 2 months later, he took to the ditch to avoid another, but grazed it also - crinkle on the other side.

Someone asked him once if he was going hunting this year.  He said, ‘No, but I am going to get deer tags for my car.’

We can’t live in harmony with wild animals as we once did, there are too many of us.  Moving wolves around is just silly.  It is sad they have been pushed out, but absolutely silly, to reintroduce them in some areas. 


Now I’m not a fan of hunting for sport.  If you or someone else eat the kill, I’m fine.  If you have to kill to protect yourself or property, I’m fine with that.  I also understand the concept of thinning a herd.

A friend’s son helped them ‘harvest’ some deer last year and we were the very greatful recipients of 2 deer.  It was my first time, other than making sausage, to ever cook deer meat.  Great chili!!

ladytexan
September 13  at  6:49 pm  |  #21  |  Link

I’m trying to upload a post and I get the message that I didn’t type in the correct word - twice.

Then that my message might be spam??

Then that it can’t be uploaded at this time????

Have I been banned?

ladytexan
September 13  at  6:51 pm  |  #22  |  Link

What does ‘unable to receive your comment at this time’ mean?

I tried to upload my comment after the one above, and got this comment.

David Goodis
September 13  at  7:23 pm  |  #23  |  Link

“Spare me Meryl. Just another nature control freak are you? Do you have any idea what the Liberal whiny environmental whackos have done by messing with Mother nature and stepping in when they should leave well enough alone. No I doubt that you do. From the time of earliest Man, nature coexisted beautifully…..the hunter as well as the hunted. It wasn’t until the interference of liberal do gooders and whiney hearts about the poor wittle wolvesies and beautiful little bambies ooooohhh they are soooooo cute.”

How do edenic fantasies (“from the time of earliest Man, nature coexisted beautifully . . . the hunter as well as the hunted”) and sarcasm (“It wasn’t until the interference of liberal do gooders and whiney hearts about the poor wittle wolvesies and beautiful little bambies ooooohhh they are soooooo cute”) supposed to constitute critical thinking here? This is just bullying. How much of this is substantive?

According to anthropologists who study the tribal people still living (the last of the Ache, say, in Paraguay), that is, societies whose activities offer the best idea of life as it was lived before people were sedentary, there was no “beautiful coexistence” of hunter and hunted. Yes, Ache hunters, for instance, showed more respect for the animals they killed. But there was nothing of the sentimentalized experience you refer to.

And bullying is just bullying. Who backs down from that behavior? Who concedes arguments to you? In what arena does mockery actually win the case? The idea that passes for rational discourse is appalling. You sound just like a six-year-old.

David Goodis
September 13  at  7:24 pm  |  #24  |  Link

Pardon me: How do edenic fantasies (“from the time of earliest Man, nature coexisted beautifully . . . the hunter as well as the hunted”) and sarcasm (“It wasn’t until the interference of liberal do gooders and whiney hearts about the poor wittle wolvesies and beautiful little bambies ooooohhh they are soooooo cute”) constitute critical thinking here?

anonymous
September 13  at  7:42 pm  |  #25  |  Link

“...constitute critical thinking here?...”

LOL! When does anything posted here constitute critical thinking (including the articles)?

Julie O.
September 13  at  7:58 pm  |  #26  |  Link

Well David and Merle…You tell me….Please tell me why the left worship at the alter of Darwin and his theory of evolution, but yet they interfere in every aspect of nature. If the snail darter is so endangered, wouldn’t prophet Darwin say it is survival of the fittest, if the darter becomes extinct it is becomes he has evolved not to survive. But no, the Liberals and the environmentalist don’t practice what they preach.  Man must sacrifice so the darter will survive. A contradiction according to church doctrine isn’t it. The Pandas have proven time and time again that they are more than willing to just go away. Again, interference. The Coyote is one of the most determined cagy little survivors we have. They adapt even when encroached upon by man…much to the humans dismay. A good design? But yet, even with Wile E. Coyote the enviros once again feel like they have to manipulate.  You call me childish…so be it. I love being called a child at my age. But you live with deer dying in your front yard of starvation because of drought and hunting laws. You watch as someone is carted off in an ambulance, because sometime at night there are more deer on the highway than cars. This is one area that I have seen more damage done to nature first hand by environmentalist and animal activists than hunters doing what they do best, protecting herds and other animals by thinning and culling to prevent starvation. You really should stop being so narrow minded yourselves and look at the good that is accomplished when one looks at the neccessity of the hunt. But, thats not pc so I doubt that you could stretch that far. I respect Governor Palin for her knowledge of nature and what should be hunted. If either one of you ever sat down with her and tapped her mind on wildlife and nature, I have no doubt she would educate you beyond what you thought you ever knew. Her husband is part eskimo. He has been taught the land David and Merle….you pc folks have nothing at all on these people….nothing.

David Goodis
September 13  at  8:33 pm  |  #27  |  Link

Julie, are you aware that deforestation, environmental pollution, overdevelopment and so on are not really “evolutionary” factors? That technologies (which are at the root of most environmental problems) represent artificial developments in contrast to natural ones? Your argument makes no sense.

David Goodis
September 13  at  9:40 pm  |  #28  |  Link

As to the other part of your comments, the ones that are pure observation, why not offer to work with environmentalists in your area? I for one would welcome the help of someone more knowledgeable than me about a given habitat.

And I should tell you, as I always tell my students, that I respect hunters who are willing to kill animals rather than buy meat at the store (though I reserve the most respect for bow hunters, like my father and brother, whose skills and patience need to be exceptionally high), since they come face to face with the violence that industrial methods of production erase from the process. Most people wouldn’t have the stomach to kill an animal . . . In other words, I’m not a stereotype.

David Goodis
September 13  at  10:34 pm  |  #29  |  Link

Well, here it is, guys, a video of Sarah Palin endorsing Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO6dmBm1SFw

Here’s to accuracy in media.

Bob
September 14  at  12:54 am  |  #30  |  Link

Kincaid makes a great point. As much as I am delighted with Sarah Palin, I felt that McCain and his writers had injected in to her an strain of that same virus which makes McCain, one of the most boring speakers of all time. If it were not for Palin the democrats would still be singing high requiem as the Republicans added their sobbing, as a base note to the melody line.

McCain lucked out in this much. Gibson should have been wearing a black uniform, and holding a whip. His interview style was vile, and revealed a bias as ugly as I have ever seen in a broadcasting company that still possessed a face thick enough to allege that they are journalists. In all of the interviews,and debates, can anyone recall a one where either Hillary or Obama was put to the torch as was Palin. That said, excepting some lines that were enough to put one to sleep, she did well, and the criticism mounted by the left is as ugly as it is moranic.

Leg Sarah be Sarah.

top certification
September 14  at  6:16 am  |  #31  |  Link

Yep, There is some tension around.  My vote also for Sen. McCain.  Lets say If Obama wins in coming November, it will be a good move toward economy and prosperity.  I have no idea what happened next.

A True Conservative
September 14  at  10:07 am  |  #32  |  Link

Charlie Gibson is known as one of the most conservative anchors in the news biz—why do you think he was chosen? This should have been a puff-ball lay up. What happened?

Allen in Atlanta the "city of trees"
September 15  at  9:11 am  |  #33  |  Link

David Goodis:
The number 1 cause of lower atmostpheric ozone, according to the EPA:  Trees.
The number 1 cause of carbon dioxide and methane release into the world’s atmosphere:  the earth itself.  All three “pollutants” outstrip man-made generated so-called “greenhouse” gases.  And another fact: man-made CO2 production accounts for only 2%, yes, that’s TWO PER-CENT of the total output of the gas into the atmosphere.

And if it’s sooo much, then, why isn’t the world’s atmosphere saturated with CO2, CH4 and O3?  For one, O3 is very unstable, and breaks down into O2 within 30 minutes of its creation by trees.  The Smoky Mountains were smoky long before Henry Ford.  And since photosynthesis stops when the sun goes down, the Smoky Mountain become crystal clear by midnite!  Next, as for the CH4 and CO2, we know that the worlds’ oceans reabsorb most of those gases, not by the presence of life within the oceans (although this is a mitigating factor).  The fact is, water itself will absorb these gases, and once they are aborbed, both the CO2 and CH4 will eventually drift into a level below 500 feet, and in areas where the water temp is below 34 degrees F.  And in such places, the CH4 will fall out of suspension, drop to the sea floor, and create layers of what is known as “hydrate” ice.  And what this “ice” is, is the CH4 molecule, trapped within a sphere of H2O that has been “frozen” by the catalyzation process of the CH4 falling out of suspension.  As for the CO2, just as in a bottle of soda, when under pressure the CO2 remains in suspension, but will actually break down into its atomic components over time.  Both the carbon and the oxygen are incredible sources for plant life!

So, long story short, it’s not really some “edenic” fantasy land.  It’s science at work within an anthropic universe.

As for Palin and the McCain campaign, they should let Palin be Palin.  Or, better yet, submit to her will… and flip the ticket!

Julie O.
September 15  at  9:43 am  |  #34  |  Link

Allen…I don’t know who you are, but thank you. I don’t have the science behind me to do what you just did, but just enough to know the hooey behind the hoax. I lived in the Atlanta area and the North Georgia Mtns. (Dahlonega) for 14 years. I know the Smokeys well, and they do get clear as a bell at night. The other reason is the humidity. Unlike most mountainous areas, the Smokeys are extremely humid. How is the Kudzu problem…still kudzu? Speaking of something that was brought in that was a huge mistake!

Allen in Atlanta, the "City of Trees"
September 15  at  10:47 am  |  #35  |  Link

Hello Julie!
Yep, the kudzu thrives.
Now, the Florida “love bug”, those nasty bugs that birds won’t eat, “hook up” by their abdomens every May and September, and whose guts are so caustic that it will eat the paint off of your car, are now making their appearance in Atlanta!  I first saw a swarm of them one September on a visit to south Georgia 8 years ago.  Then a couple of years later I noticed them swarming in Columbus.  Just another thing to add to the Georgia-Florida feud in Jacksonville this Fall!

As for Governor Palin: this morning (15 September) the news channles can’t get enough of blabbing about the Gibson interview, and how bad ABC took things out of context with the Gibson interview.  The MSM just doesn’t get it; to regain their cred, they need to listen to the American “publick” and cut out all the slants, attacks, character assassination attempts of the (semi) conservative McCain-Palin ticket, and ignore the continual gaffs by Joe Biden, and outright disinformation about Obama’s past with a known Communist and racist, Frank Marshall Davis.  The American public is very forgiving and incredibly gullible (how else can you explain a major political party being co-opted by the Communist/collectivist/socialists for the past 60 years, and the American public not once condemn them for their anti-American activities?  Just a spoon-full of sugar and things would be better for them!  They just don’t listen.

Slinkiecat
September 15  at  1:20 pm  |  #36  |  Link

Cliff, Sarah Palin couldn’t go on Rush Limbaugh instead of Charlie Gibson.  Rush doesn’t do a guest interview program.  He does the story himself based on other peoples’ interviews, speeches and articles.

Sarah is going to be on Sean Hannity’s TV show, perhaps tonight and tomorrow night, 9 ET.  He is pretty fair and respectful of political candidates.

emperor zero
September 15  at  2:40 pm  |  #37  |  Link

..uh.. Hannity fair and ..uh.. respectful?! ROFLMAO!!

Slinkie, you got any more of that ..uh.. stuff you’re smoking? I ..uh.. tried smoking arugula the other day, ..uh.. but it’s just not quite the same as the ..uh.. Maui Wowie I ..uh.. grew up with.

Bentley
September 15  at  3:20 pm  |  #38  |  Link

I certainly didn’t know specifically what the Bush Doctrine was and I was pleased to hear Karl Rove said he wouldn’t have known what Gibson meant either.  Thus I think Governor Palin did well in asking Gibson to explain himself.  I was pleased that Palin’s voice showed her irritation, knowing full well that he was trying to apply “gotcha!”
In addition, I think that Palin’s explanation of the way the NATO is supposed to work was to the point. It is unfortunate that NATO does not support what it says it will.

Julie O.
September 15  at  4:44 pm  |  #39  |  Link

Allen

and they stick to the paint on your car! Getting those monsters off is a job in itself. I lived in Ft.Walton beach for a year. I gave up and didn’t wash my car until it was over. My red car was black in front.

What is amazing is the man was not even vetted. There is a lawsuit over whether or not he is a citizen. What in the hell are the democrats trying to do to this country?

I really believe that Obama is a puppet for a very sick master, and I think the master is George Soros. The Dems argument over Sarah Palin and her experience is a smoke screen for the absolute in your face lack of experience of Obama. Listen to Palen on the stump..without a script. Listen to Obama on the stump..without a script. What an unbelievable difference. Sarah whips up on him like a big dog. I know the Dems can be that stupid because they put lurch up in 2006, but all Americans..I don’t think so.

William
September 15  at  4:50 pm  |  #40  |  Link

The problem is that McCain and his people are counry-club Republicans who still believe that the liberal media, like ABC, are all-important. McCain’s “mavericity” has always been anti-conservative, not truly anti-establishment. Thus, on many if not most of the key issues, he is—or recently was—on the wrong side of the Center Mass of US voters which is conservative. He also feels the need to pander to the dying, liberal media, particularly since they were his “base” in fighting the faux conservative George Bush just a few years ago.

I seriously doubt that McCain & Co. have a real clue as to the reason for the Palin Phenom which is an awakening among not only the GOP “base” but also the millions of conservatives who comprise the majority of Independents and Reagan Dems; and who had abandonned weak, “reach-out” Republicans like Bush and McCain who refused to really fight on gut conservative issues.

Fred Miles
September 15  at  6:12 pm  |  #41  |  Link

Perhaps she should go to Iraq/Afghanistan in Uniform next time and earn her grits in the face of live incoming instead of boasting how she can kill Bambi.
Seems Cliff is demanding she be protected/accompanied as the Muslim women are.

Sharry
September 15  at  6:32 pm  |  #42  |  Link

I am also the proud Mom of son in the military who has served in Iraq, who was awarded the AF Bronze Star upon his return, and is now on duty in Afghanistan. He is honored to have served his country for the past 21 years of his life. There is no way to adequately explain the worry and foreboding that a Mom experiences when her child is in harm’s way. I know exactly how Governor Palin felt as she hugged her son and told him goodbye, trying not to let him see her tears, and praying that he will return safely. Our military defends the freedom and rights of EVERYONE, not just a chosen few. I will be voting for the man who knows what duty, honor, and sacrifice are all about.  How, I wonder, is Sarah Palin to explain to her children the reasoning behind the vitriol and slander that has been heaped upon her 24/7 for the past three weeks?  What kind of world have we created that allows and condones such abhorrent and disrespectful behaviour towards someone. Are these qualities that we want to teach our children? From what I have observed of Sarah Palin, it appears to me that she is very much her own person who possesses great inner strength, along with tolerance and restraint, qualities that Charlie Gibson and those of his ilk have no clue about.  When you cut through all of the hoopla and ballyhoo, no matter what happens on November 4, 2008, Sarah Palin is going to be just fine, because she has a warm, loving, and supportive family, and she is as genuine as they come, which obviously infuriates those who try so desperately to bring her down.

Sarah P
September 15  at  6:51 pm  |  #43  |  Link

Julie O, I couldn’t have said it better….I thinkst maybe you hurt their feelings….

I could kill an animal real easy.  I like to hunt birds, haven’t killed a Bambi yet, but my girlfriend and her husband keep asking me to get a tag and come along…maybe I will this time.  I’ll bag one for the Gipper!!!

I eat meat to keep my brain from shrinking besides the delicious flavor of wild game and Fish. Not into domesticated meat unless I grow it without hormones.

Slinkiecat
September 15  at  6:52 pm  |  #44  |  Link

Sharry, I just have to thank you for the service of your son.  I truly admire all those who serve in our wonderful military, and I count among my friends two great military retirees, Lt. Col. Oliver North and Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely.  Both head up charities for the children of fallen military heroes of the current war.

It is a black mark on our country’s media that they have so little respect for our elected leaders who happen to belong to a different political party.  They use an entirely different standard in interviewing a Democrat from that of a Republican.  Maybe they fear Sarah Palin because she is known for taking out corrupt members of government, and Washington is filled with Democrats who are on the take to the point of bankrupting the great institutions that have paid so much to Democrat leaders past and present.

We may never get full investigations of the corruption that has caused the Lehman Corporation to go bankrupt, but Barack Obama is high on the list of benefactors of that corporation as well as being the second highest recipient of money from Fannie May and Freddie Mack’s financial ruin.

Sarah Palin is a strong and able leader, and she’ll do just fine with any interview.  She just shows how incompetent some of the interviewers are.

Sarah P
September 15  at  7:07 pm  |  #45  |  Link

I think Washington “Good ol boys” are really panicked about Sarah.  She will reform Washington, and that is not what they want….I believe McCain will win, because of Palin’s faithful service to God, and country….I’m loving it.

Julie O.
September 15  at  7:18 pm  |  #46  |  Link

Slinkiecat…do you really believe that there will be any investigation of Obama. Geez they haven’t even vetted him yet. The Dems don’t allow investigations of the ONE. Only Sarah Palen

Slinkiecat
September 15  at  7:29 pm  |  #47  |  Link

The “good old boys” network in Washington will circle around any member accused of wrongdoing, and the committees that have oversight are headed by those deepest in the mud of corruption.  If anybody gets investigated, it’s Bush and Cheney for firing attorneys, or for waging war to protect us from terrorists.

Of course Obama was never vetted.  He was pushed up from the corrupt Chicago political machine with the help of George Soros and foreign billionaires.  It was only because of talk radio that his connections with terrorist Bill Ayers, his anti-American bigoted pastor Jeremiah Wright, his crooked real estate deals with Tony Rezko, and other nefarious characters have been revealed.  If the media had done its job earlier, he would never have won the nomination.

Even now, the media is more interested in digging for dirt in Wasilla on Sarah Palin and her family than they are in Obama’s ties to the Saudis and Kenyan Muslims.  They’re as corrupt as their buddies that sit in the government for decades, growing filthy rich while they sit and think up ways to raise the taxes on the rest of us.

emperor zero
September 15  at  8:50 pm  |  #48  |  Link

..uh.. Governor Paleocon is ..uh.. a liar! She lied about ..uh.. telling Washington ..uh.. ..uh.. “Thanks but no thanks!” on earmarks. She asked for ..uh.. almost half a billion in earmarks for this year alone!

Mrs ..uh.. Moosebreath cannot compare to my greatness! All you pitiful ..uh.. paleocons and clueless ..uh.. know-nothings will be herded into my re-education camps ..uh.. come January 21, 2009.

I AM ..uh.. THE ONE! You all are ..uh.. dirt beneath my sandals!

emperor zero
September 15  at  8:58 pm  |  #49  |  Link

My ..uh.. plan is working perfectly. My ..uh.. government now owns ..uh.. over half of the homes in the Empire of Arugula and ..uh.. will soon own Goldman and Bank of America. You just watch!

My ..uh.. buddy George (the man who almost broke the Bank of England) will make at least ..uh.. $25B on this deal. That’s ..uh.. almost 4 times what he made on the Bank of England ..uh.. scam ..er.. deal!

You ..uh.. serfs will be begging me for everything soon. I will ..uh.. steal from the rich and ..uh.. give enough to the poor to make everybody equally poor.

Diana
September 16  at  12:46 am  |  #50  |  Link

Here we go again about the war. Two little details seem to escape us. Saddam Hussein was trying to buy “heavy water” in Africa. And then before we actually struck the enemy, giving them constant warnings of “we are coming, just hang on” all the convoys went to Syria (another terrorist supporting state). We even took photos, but we did not strike a single one. Well one more little item…didn’t Libya then announce that it was giving up it’s nuclear developing program. A lot of surrounding nations and threatening nations including Korea kinda froze when the coyote came around.

Jack H Hansen
September 16  at  1:25 am  |  #51  |  Link

How did we ever get saddled with the colossal Mr. Arrogance - emperor zero?

sigh
September 16  at  3:01 am  |  #52  |  Link

felon ollie north peddled weapons and drugs and lied to congress.
the weapons?
thousands of missiles TO IRAN.

and where do you get this crap?:
“Barack Obama is high on the list of benefactors of that corporation as well as being the second highest recipient of money from Fannie May and Freddie Mack’s financial ruin.”

rent a clue somewhere.
Q: who lobbied for the deregulation that caused the mess?

sign
September 16  at  3:28 am  |  #53  |  Link

and who didn’t see this one coming?
go ahead, raise you hand… both of you.

McCain campaign says Palin won’t talk to Troopergate investigator.

oh dear. alaska, we have a problem…
Palin said she welcomes the investigation: “Hold me accountable.”

ladytexan
September 16  at  8:58 am  |  #54  |  Link

We saw Iraq sending weapons to Syria and did nothing?

How did they know it was weapons being sent?

But IF he sent them to Syria, why didn’t we invade Syria?

If they were gone from Iraq - then wasn’t the reason for invading gone? Why blow up the Iraqis, when the weapons were in Syria? 

As to N. Korea, I’m thinking North Korea was doing a little bit of tough bargaining here.  They were starving, in exchange for giving up ‘their nuclear’ development (?), we gave them food.

Has anyone ever seen the movie ‘The Mouse That Roared’?

Yes, Libya SAID they gave up their projects - remember they SAID they gave up their terrorists connections back when Reagan bombed them also.

emperor zero
September 16  at  3:16 pm  |  #55  |  Link

Hansen ..uh.. you idiot! I am ..uh.. the CHOSEN ONE! The ..uh.. Dumbocrats left themselves wide open to my ..uh.. takeover, aided by the lunatic fringe and netroots nuts who have hit their ..uh.. PayPal buttons in such numbers that I have more money than God. (..uh.. Oh wait, I AM ..uh.. GOD!)

..uh.. I also have my ..uh.. hidden supporters, including ..uh.. the Romanian and ..uh.. the Iraqi (the Syrian was just a ..uh.. bag man).

I AM INVINCIBLE! I AM THE ONE!!!

BOW TO YOUR EMPEROR!

tony
September 16  at  7:50 pm  |  #56  |  Link

It amazes me to see the leaders of our country act like idiots. They would do any thing for power so they trash Palin. They send 30 liars, I mean lawyers to Alaska to get something on this great lady.Check Obama and his terrorist friends. TG

tony
September 16  at  7:58 pm  |  #57  |  Link

IM glad Obama and his wife finally like America now that he is running for President. Palin and McCain are true Americans

Agnstheflow
September 19  at  4:24 am  |  #58  |  Link

I really wish the McCain Camp would start drilling the American public with FACTS about Obama’s communist friends, his books full of half/truths and lies(especially about his polygamist, wife beating, drunkin father), and his manipulitave ways of changeing his views depending on who he’s talking to at the moment.

His campaign ads could be talking about the REAL Obama instead of sex ed misinformation.  I wonder if there’s any closet Obamafreaks infiltrating his campaign.

Julie O.
September 20  at  12:04 pm  |  #59  |  Link

Jack…I tried to comment on the other article site. It appears they are not allowing anymore comments. Let me know if you got this, by answering.

Jack H Hansen
September 20  at  12:43 pm  |  #60  |  Link

Hi Julie, yes I got this and yours posted on this thread, it is just not posting on that other thread you sent the two previous posts on, but I got them both.  And I see that my name has now changed back to my real name I usually post under.  Jack

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