Enjoy

Uh, is he Iraqi or British? The headline says Iraqi and the first line of the “piece” says British.

You don’t suppose AIM chose to put “Iraqi” in the headline to be inflammatory, do you?

Nah.

Good heavens! Is there anybody who still thinks that Jerome Corsi can be trusted about anything? As the review of his latest collection of lies in the current Time Magazine reports, there are at least 8 significant factual errors – all defamatory – in the first 50 pages. I myself counted 12. But, after all, I must be a Commie agent, right? Or am I an al Qaeda operative? Or – please don’t let it be true – a LIBERAL! I keep getting confused. I don’t even know if dave and I are one and the same person. So, I don’t know if I can be trusted.
Seriously, this latest piece of AIM fantasy seems to have been written by a deranged buffoon.

Uh, is he Iraqi or British?
“Auchi, who was born in Iraq” 
Duh. 

Too complicated for Obamabots?

Mr Z-

Interesting snap judgement, you ignorant pantload!

Yup, its the Obamabots alright.

Mr Z and too many L’s-

Do you actually think it’s clever to refer to someone as an “obamabot”? Seems pretty stupid to me.

Major Sullivan:

If you’d read more than the first couple of paragraphs, you’d see that references to Corsi’s material is significantly less than material produced by others referenced in the article. The Auchi – Rezko – Obama links have been explored (insufficiently in my opinion) for many many months if not years in both the print and video media.

Obama’s “Chicago Machine” political rise (his first election “win” was due to there being no other candidates for the post because his supporters successfully challenged his opponents’ petitions to have their names on the ballot) would indicate he has powerful backers in that corrupt environment. Auchi and Rezko were both Baathists (Auchi in Iraq and Rezko in Syria) before they moved westward, likely as agent provocateurs for Saddam and the al-Assads.

It is critical that Obama’s potential links to such characters as Auchi, Rezko, Wright, Davis, Dohrn, et. al. be placed in public view for voters to judge his character and agenda.

You’ll also be interested to see that your threatened libel suit on another thread here is frighteningly close to what this Carter-Ruck specializes in. The 1st Amendment guarantees people’s right to speak: it does not guarantee a right to not be offended by such speech.

Dave and BS, you aren’t obamabots, you are simply retarded.

“Dave and BS, you aren’t obamabots, you are simply retarded”

My, how clever. Kill yourself!

Obviously, the Obamsnots are now trolling on AIM, since so much damaging information is being posted here.  Their special ops also assigns trolls to Politico.com to suppress and drown out any and all pertinent questions directed to their messiah’s past.  Comrade Osama Barack Hussein Obama is toast, and with him,the traitorous designs of the loony leftists and their terrorist and terrorist-supporting allies.  Just watch the Demoncratic clown show in Denver, with Repeat ‘68, and all the other leftist radicals in the streets, to realize the danger that must be confronted and defeated.

dave (in a response to two posters): Do you actually think it’s clever to refer to someone as an “obamabot”?

Only if it’s accurately descriptive, which it is. I doubt that many people have forgotten the obamania that erupted repeatedly during the first half of ‘08…while O merely had to smile brightly and read prepared text from a prompter. Or how his favorite word, when denied the canned speech and prompter, seems to be “uh”, often used sequentially several times in a row, eg, “uh, uh, uh…?”

Sadly, the obamabots seem to have been programmed using Orwell’s “1984.”

You got any evidence to prove the article false… or are you just reflexively spouting the usual nonsense we’ve come to expect from you? Much like an obamabot?

Then again, as we watch the presidency slip from Obama’s grasp, I can feel your pain.

It becomes increasingly obvious that the obamabots have totally lost it when McCain barely lays a glove on The One (Paris Hilton and some other celebrity bimbo shown for a fraction of a second in an effective commercial showing that O is a celebrity, but not presidential material) in hopes of reigning in McCain.

It’s only gonna get worse for obamabots. Keep your oil can handy, tin man.

The bright side: the average American couldn’t read and understand the column above. The bad side: the average American understands only too well how lots of money can corrupt nearly everybody and everything.

Sure hope McCain picks Sen Kay B Hutchinson (R-TX) as his running mate. Personally, I don’t give him that much credit, but hope springs eternal.

Every other pick would add nothing to the ticket or is a total unknown…and I haven’t seen any that I would want to know. Romney? This would be the height of stupidity.

The election has now become McCain’s to lose. So, Obama has a fighting chance as McCain is likely to self-destruct. Then again, he’s unpredictable, so he might not act as irresponsibly as one might expect.

As I read Andrew Walden’s “Iraqi Billionaire Threatens Reporters Investigating Rezko Affair,”  I thought of what AIM commenters on this site have been going through the past almost two weeks now.  We could call it: “Obamabots Threaten Commenters Investigating the Prophet Obama.”

Thank you, Mr Z, Llewellyn, Tony, John Galt, cowboyup6 and voxoreason.  BS and dave need to be put in their place – and frequently – and don’t forget BlackHat too.  These Obamabots/Obamasnots have cowed, intimidated and threatened commenters, and anything else they could think to do in the assured hopes that the prophet Obama’s rot will not see the light of day until early November – when of course it would be too late.

McCain may be a sad sad choice, and hopefully after four years we can upgrade to better, but he is far better that the prophet Obama.  We have lost ground in our fight for America these past 8 years, so losing ground 4 more years (and probably losing at a faster rate) still seems better to me then surrendering America to the leftist criminals and traitors that are hell bent on destroying our once great Republic.

the hateful incessant babble from the boring al gore, not so swift kerry, comrade obama crowd is much like the smog in LA.  you simply ignore it as much as possible since it is the ugly byproduct of a free, capitalistic country.

#13 Jack…I agree, but sadly I don’t think we have four more years. It is a small niggling I have in my mind that becomes an incessant annoyance, that the Dems with the help of ACORN and other organizations that are being funded by Soros, will steal this election. I hope that feeling that I have always called my little professor is incorrect this time. Correction….I pray that it is wrong. On your last post, ignoring is fun, poking a little bit is mo fun.

THESE ARE JUST MY OPINIONS.
Intriguing article.  I believe it gives rise to asking more questions.
This seems to be only ONE multi-billionaire’s quest. Are their others who might be pursuing other (economic, military, cultural/social, education, our Constitution) paths towards the decaying or destruction of the United States?
  Wouldn’t it be interesting if in one of these cases, (of some ‘plaintiff’ using such English law on slander/libel/damages, whatever, to bring a case against an American author, publishing house, or any other avenue of free speech, to attempt to prevent/destroy written/published works of American authors,) if ONE ‘defendent’ would stand up and take such a case all the way to the Supreme Court for a ruling to find out if ENGLAND’S LAW is applicatble, under OUR CONSTITUTION, created for U.S. CITIZENS?
  Would such a ‘plaintiff’ using England’s law
against the ‘defendent,’ under the protection of our Constitutional rights to free speech/free press WIN OR LOSE at the Supreme Court level?
 
  Are there any such heroes left in America, willing to chance losing it all?
 
  Is there such a hope of that happening?
 
  Is there any hope that the Supreme Court would rule in favor of OUR Constitutional rights of
free speech or other applicable rights?  Is this no longer a government OF the American PEOPLE, BY the American PEOPLE, FOR the American PEOPLE?
  Isn’t that what has made American so great?
Does THAT need ‘change,’ also?

the best way to stop these thugs, is stop tuning in msnbc, cnn, stop buying nytimes, newsweek, stop going to movies that are made by traitors of this country, anyone that is on the bandwagon, of the gore scheme, and obama scheme know full well the hoax, they laugh all the way to the bank, boycott them, boycott oprah, stop watching and listening to cultists, get educated it requires some time and effort but the return is priceless dont cow down to these commys not now not ever!

The best way to get rid of harassment and nuisance lawsuits would be to adopt a “looser pays” rule. You start a lawsuit, cause expense for your opponent in defending himself, cause expense in the judicial system to hear and adjudicate your case and you ultimately fail to prove your case, you pay ALL those expenses in addition to paying your own lawyer’s expenses.

People like Auchi, Carter-Ruck, and Khalid Salim Bin Mahfouz would just go away. Well, maybe a person who has more money than they know how to use productively wouldn’t be deterred from such nuisance lawsuits.

“If a man is equal to his money, it will serve him; if not, it will destroy him.” – Fransisco d’Anconia

Yes, this huge outpouring of Obamabots to register so many to vote, and yes, I suspect all are those that would vote for Obama, scares me.  I think they tried to steal the 2000 and 2004 elections, and with all their best efforts to cheat, still were unsuccessful.  They whined about Gore getting rooked, but if they withdrew all the sham votes from that election, I suspect Gore would have definitely lost. I believe they will pull out ALL the stops this time, and even go overboard.

Remember Obama is part of the Chicago Democrat machine of the Daleys – and they have been rigging the votes there since the late 1800’s.  There are people still voting there that died and were buried before 1900.  Boss Tweed’s Tammany Hall was not even close to being as corrupt paying and beating immigrants to vote repeatedly for Democrats!

I have been following the governor’s race in Washington State as it is a repeat of the race four years ago.  Gregoire the Democrat, versus Rossi the Republican (Demo lite).  Democrats stole the election last time.  Rossi won by a few hundred votes, Gregoire appealled, and in King County (Seattle), the Central Seattle precincts (the MOST Democratic of the entire state) were recounted and recounted.  Each time, they came up with extra votes for Gregoire until she finally won, and the corrupt Washington State Supreme Court, condoned it (appointed by liberals).

And that is probably the worse part in our Republic, our NOW corrupt courts.  There was a time, not all that long ago, whether they were Democrat or Republican leaning or appointed, most judges, both federal and state, were mostly uncorruptable – and we lost that.  Ideology took over the reins of these “LAWYERS” and they now could care less about the law, what is right and wrong.  It has even hit the US Supreme Court, in judges such as Ginsberg especially.  There are certainly judges with different views such as Brewer and Souter, that are a little to left but mostly not completely ideologists, but when you get Clinton appointee Ginsberg in there you get leftist ideology in the mix.

Yes Jack….and that is why Obama is so confident that it is “in the bag” You forgot about the approx 250,000 military votes that Gore somehow got rid of. My memory is sliding on that one, but a few cells hold on the the unpleasantness of it all.

That old,sad,and hollow whine of the left about how Bush was appointed and how the cretin Gore was deprived his due, always try to use Florida as their trump card. Please do not let them forget, and remind them incessantly and without fail, that if the most detectable cause of “global warming” which is Gasbag Gore himself had been able to win his home state of Tennessee, then Florida would not have mattered. The people that know him best did not want him. I also believe that he lost southern states Arkansas and West Virginia. So much for his being abused by the Supreme Court.

Re: #13 – “…leftist criminals and traitors…”

Anybody remember “rightist criminal” VP Spiro Agnew?  (Who, by the way, continually criticized “the nattering nabobs of negativity” – - even though he was one.

How about “rightist traitor” Pres. R. Nixon, who put the country through months of unending political hell for his own hoped-for personal benefit … and the “traitors” to the country who assisted him?

And, for record-breaking criminality and national treachery, how about the administration of the infamous Pres. Warren G. Harding … whom, I believe, was very, VERY conservative and an extreme rightist?

For every pile of crap that an ideologue can generate about the opposition … an equally large, ideologically-based and stinking pile can be generated by the opposition.  The constant competition to see who can piss bigger ideological holes in the snow is what has polarized and paralyzed this country over recent years and sent it down the road to inevitable decline!

Much of the time, the stuff on this forum sounds like a reading of the scribblings found on the walls of a padded cell!

The more the leftists claim that well-detailed investigations like this are garbage, the more I encourage others to read and examine this for themselves. 
The liberals remind me of the scientologists who maintain that ANY tactics are legitimate in defense of their point of view.

I live in North Carolina where you can walk in and vote with no Id or voter registration card. We are a sanctuary town where illegals from all over American can come and buy drivers licence with out any ID except the good old American Greenback, go to our colleges for free. . Where the head of the NAACP can write an article in the news telling their members who to vote for without losing their non exempt status. So that goes to tell you who has won the primaries and who will be the Next President, you don’t need a brain to live here.

to my request as to whether calling people “obamabots” is supposed to be clever, vox sez:

“Only if it’s accurately descriptive, which it is.”

OK. It’s neither accurately descriptive (I could give a rat’s ass about Obama and his campaign) nor clever. Now where does that leave you?

also vox:

“Then again, as we watch the presidency slip from Obama’s grasp, I can feel your pain.”

Please spare me the tortured and tepid attempts at sarcasm. Again, I have no favorite in the fall race, but I’m VERY concerned regarding McCain’s foreign policy advisory team.

KBH as a veep pick for McCain is interesting. It would certainly be a poke in the Dems’ collective (get it?) eye. She is clearly considered “conservative” enough to get the call.

Jag-

“BS and dave need to be put in their place – and frequently – and don’t forget BlackHat too.  These Obamabots/Obamasnots have cowed, intimidated and threatened commenters, and anything else they could think to do in the assured hopes that the prophet Obama’s rot will not see the light of day until early November – when of course it would be too late.”

I’m not a doctor, (I don’t even play one on TV) but I really think you need help. I never threatened you, I only pointed out your idiocy. But I now sense that you are quite disturbed. I apologize for antagonizing a sick man, and I will not disturb you further.

So what gives Dave? You have been antagonistic, rude to the extreme and a mirror image of a Daily Kos Kid. I have been reading your tirades, and not commenting, because frankly, you, B.S, Blackhat and Mark bore the fire out of me…..and whoever else comes on here or is part of the Obama bums rush team and tries to monopolize and intimidate. Jack is not Jag, and whoever else you blast. You have come on to this sight and told everyone off for how and what they believe and then get frustrated and start whining. Go blow Dave or Mark or Brian or whoever you are. Join your gang somewhere else. Go where you belong. Huff Post is a good beginning. Have someone accept you somewhere else. It ain’t happnin here. I will pray for your sorry ass because I am supposed to. Doesn’t make me real happy tho.

John Galt,

For years there have been efforts in a number of states to pass “Loser Pays” laws with regard to lawsuits but the pettifogger lobbies have been too powerful. Another law which exists in some states is one penalizing frivolous lawsuits but it’s rarely enforced. I’d like to see it extended beyond paying the other side. Such a law should state that a lawyer or firm being found guilty of such a transgression three times have their right to practice law suspended or terminated depending on the severity of the cases.

dave notes about my suggestion that Sen Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX) be McCain’s vp choice:

>>KBH as a veep pick for McCain is interesting. It would certainly be a poke in the Dems’ collective (get it?) eye. She is clearly considered “conservative” enough to get the call.

Obama picked FOI (Friend of Iran) Joe Biden (who will no doubt be a topic of a future AIM column), which wasn’t too bright.

BTW, some may have deduced that I am female because I suggested a female vp. Nope. I’m male, but don’t have a problem with a female veep. All the male choices are poor, but I don’t put anything past McCain: he’s just dumb/stubborn enough to pick a running mate as bad as Obama’s.

Ah, Julie, Julie, Julie!-

“I have been reading your tirades, and not commenting, because frankly, you, B.S, Blackhat and Mark bore the fire out of me”

translation: you’re not in lock step with the other right wing automotons who post here one-handed. “And yet you claim to read my posts. Fascinating!)

“…..and whoever else comes on here or is part of the Obama bums rush team and tries to monopolize and intimidate.”

To those for whom facts are intimidating I offer no solution. This is your problem, not mine.

“Jack is not Jag, and whoever else you blast.”

Yeah, he is. Jagoff is much more in the vernacular than jackoff. Jag is my simplification.

“You have come on to this sight (sic)and told everyone off for how and what they believe and then get frustrated and start whining.”

I’ve whined? I don’t think so. And I don’t tell people off for what they believe, I take them to task for blind faith and failure to educate themselves. The whole “republican: good, democrat: bad” thing is very sad to see. When I was a teen, during the Viet Nam “police action”, the phrase was “My country, right or wrong.” It was apparently meant without irony, and even as wet behind the ears as I was I KNEW that was wrong. Still is.

“Go blow Dave or Mark or Brian or whoever you are. Join your gang somewhere else. Go where you belong. Huff Post is a good beginning. Have someone accept you somewhere else. It ain’t happnin here.”

heh heh heh. In other words, you won’t/don’t listen to any point(s) of view other than your own. Thanks for the headsup, but I already gleaned that. I’m kinda savvy like that.

“I will pray for your sorry ass because I am supposed to. Doesn’t make me real happy tho.”

Gee thanks. What I need is the prayers of a goose-stepping alleged Christian. (I seriously doubt Jesus ever suggested that you pray for anyone’s “sorry ass”, unless it was the donkey they rode in on.) And are you supposed to pray in order to make you happy?

I take them to task for blind faith and failure to educate themselves.

So typical of lefty crap Dave….and if they don’t march in lockstep with your educational diatribe you call them demeaning names. Blah blah blah blah

You are going to love Marxism Dave if The Obamessiah gets elected. Historically the useful idiots are the first to go. Heh heh heh heh

Julie O:

Are you Jack H. Hansen?

“You are going to love Marxism Dave if The Obamessiah gets elected. Historically the useful idiots are the first to go. Heh heh heh heh”

You have some serious blind spots.

Not only will the useful idiots at Sullivan’s IP love how marxists PURGE them at the get go, but the National Socialists of Hitler did the same.  In fact, history has many examples of the PURGES that the Marxist/Socialist/Communists reward their minions with after they get the power, and they especially purge those that have inflated egos and think they are more than they really are.  They purge because these idiots are really a threat to them and their consolidation of power in their hands.

Buh bye – BS, dave, faux ann, BlackHat, and your other manifestations Sullivan lol

And I guess you don’t…..Have blind spots? You Dave are a Socialist. All Dems are Socialist/Marxist now. It has never worked anywhere else and even the socialism we have adopted slowly for almost a century has been what has taken us down the economic tubes. But, you Mr. Blind spot wouldn’t catch onto that if it slapped you in the face. Yes……there have been other economic mistakes…but going full blown socialism with Marxism mixed in. Say goodbye to your home Dave….you won’t like it.

Thanks for the question on “Mr.” Hansen. I consider that a compliment. My husband would consider it amusing.

Thank you Julie, that was my thought exactly that it is an honor.

I find it typically liberal though that they always accuse others of what they do – AIM has traced many on this site to Sullivan’s IP, and frankly, I guess I was a bit naive in that as I had not even considered such until I was seeing it with my own eyes.  Also typically liberal, they will do and say ANYTHING to force feed their rot – the ends justify the means to these perverts.  And now, typically liberal, they say we are doing what they do.

Me thinks the sickness and rot comes from the left and the rot is so deep they cannot see as they rot before their own eyes. lol

Thanks for hanging in there Jack. Good to see you. I like this spot. But, as long as aim puts out these articles that shed light on the Obamessiah we will have the Obamaguards manning the blogging tanks. Check out Malkins site. She has written about Obamas minions going after the bloggers. This is an example. I can’t even imagine the blowback I am going to get after mentioning her name. Their insults do not affect me in the least and I am not letting them run me off. They will find another place to go eventually.

Projection…It is actually a personality disorder. I have a relative that is a really sick narcissist. Everything he does and says is projection. Mr. BS is really a Narcissist with his incessant puffing like a peacock. His obsession with venereal diseases really makes me chuckle. Is that his problem? Brian…see a doctor soon. The Dem/socialists lie like dogs then turn around and accuse the Republicans of lying when the facts have already been put out there. The lie covers the facts so often that the truth disappears. But isn’t that part of the program?….Tell a lie long enough and people begin to see it as the truth. Dave keeps talking about facts…….what facts?

“And I guess you don’t…..Have blind spots?”

Sure I do.

“You Dave are a Socialist.”

So wrong you’re not even on the map.

“All Dems are Socialist/Marxist now.”

A preposterous broad-brush stroke that shows your absolute lack of critical thinking skills.

“It has never worked anywhere…”

That is essentially true. See? We agree.

“But, you Mr. Blind spot wouldn’t catch onto that if it slapped you in the face.”

So far, no slap.

“Yes……there have been other economic mistakes…but going full blown socialism with Marxism mixed in. Say goodbye to your home Dave….you won’t like it.”

Hyperbole and paranoia: perfect together!

Julie O: Their insults do not affect me in the least and I am not letting them run me off. They will find another place to go eventually.

Good for you!

But put yourself in your typical “progressive” (they use this term instead of “socialists” to define themselves; same thing spelled differently) poster’s place: if you had to spend your time reading the spew at liberal sites, wouldn’t you prefer to be here, too?

Conservative sites reprint posts (with lots of #%&* characters to replace words that they won’t print) from liberal sites. If you call any republican a Nazi or Hitler, you make their “A” list. At conservative sites, you’re more likely to find true and useful information.

Note how the worst offenders here ALWAYS have this air of smug superiority? They’re on the “Dean’s” list at liberal blogs.

“… AIM has traced many on this site to Sullivan’s IP …” -Jack

Jack, look up “Network Address Translation” on wikipedia. Many Internet Service Providers NAT RFC 1918 addresses to a single or small number of routable IP addresses.

jack h-

“AIM has traced many on this site to Sullivan’s IP…”

You’re making this up, correct?

vox-

“But put yourself in your typical “progressive” (they use this term instead of “socialists” to define themselves…”

Interesting “thought”. Making these words synonomous suggests that you feel progressive thinking, which should be considered a GOOD thing, carries a decidedly pejorative connotation. VERY interesting.

Yeah, dave, and liberalism in America was once a good thing also as was progressiveism – but then unfortunately, the far left of the Democrat Party took the handle and totally destroyed all that had been good about these American movements, as their way of being liberal was either socialistic or communistic.  Recently, they have so discredited the word liberal and liberalism, that they decided to call themselves by a new handle – so we hear them saying progressives.  But sorry, dave, these new “progressives” are just the same old “liberals” which means they are just worthless socialists/communists.  So yes, voxoreason has it pegged perfectly

Dave….Progressive in lieu of socialism/communism began in the early 20th century. Yes…making progress should be a good thing…but the term progressive, a noun is a person believing in moderate political change and social improvement by Government action. Such as members of the Progressive Party running in the Presidential campaigns of 1912, 1924, and 1948. The Progressives have become far more radical since 1948 looking more like the Marxist that tutored the Obamessiah. This is because they were a part of the CPUSA that received their marching orders from the Kremlin. So, for those of us that see the damage Marxism has caused and will cause (Maxine Waters wants to Socialise the Oil Companies)the word is to us….perjorative

I was cheering for Maxine “nobody’s more socialistic than me” Waters to be Barack’s VP choice.  Wouldn’t that have been fun? lol

Oh Lord help us. I could never watch t.v. again! Could you imagine Hils reaction…LOL over and over

Gee, I guess if you say “all Dems are Socialists/Marxists” and “progressives are really Socialists/Marxists”, it MUST be true, because you keep saying it OVER AND OVER.

You don’t back it up with a scintilla of evidence, mind you, but you make up for that with repetition.

Jack or Vox could you take over this first grade class for me. Don’t let Brian hit Carol with his book or take over the class…Dave needs to study current events to learn what makes up a socialist and socialism again…Vox you did that so well earlier and of course Jack you are a current event specialist. I know this is a burden but I am running late for an appointment. Thanks guys.

JulieO-

“Jack or Vox could you take over this first grade class for me.”

outta the mouths of babes…

“Dave needs to study current events to learn what makes up a socialist and socialism again…”

I’m conversant. You’ve missed the point. again.
and again.

“I know this is a burden but I am running late for an appointment.”

Not, we can safely assume, a MENSA meeting…

Back!

Having fun with you Dave. At least for the most part you are being less abusive and crude. I say all Dems are Socialist, because if they call themselves Democrats and vote Democrat they are socialists. Why? That is what I find so elementary Dave and why I was being a smart ass.

1. High taxation= Redistribution of wealth..Even the dimmest economist knows that low taxes builds the economy. The only reason for high taxation is to equalize the populace. To lessen their influence/threat on the powerful Government.

2. Nationalization of Companies…Maxine’s Dream

3. Regulation and taxation of private enterprise

4. Obamas dream of a National Civil Police force. As Vox said, “The Brownshirts”

5. Socialized Medicine…We can experience the same Horrors as the Canadians, Brits, French, Cubans etc. I’m excited aren’t you? So much for all the World Renowned Medical Centers and Universities.

6. First Amendment gone by the way of The Unfairness Doctrine.

7. Gun ownership be gone

Why don’t you see or grasp what we are talking about Dave? These are things we don’t want to lose. This is not the change we want to have. We live in the greatest Country in the World. Yes, she has had her faults, her growing pains. So did England, so did France…so has every Country on earth. Our mistakes are minor in comparison. But the I hate America crowd just crows louder. The Democrat Party is now the Socialist Party Dave. They have almost started admitting it. Maxine came out and said it. Why can’t you?

“Having fun with you Dave.”

That makes it all worth while for me.

“At least for the most part you are being less abusive and crude.”

Again, I give what I get. If you look at any of the threads I’ve been on, you’ll see that I ask a question THEN get called commie/libby/socialist/obamabot etc. I riposte. That’s how I am.

“I say all Dems are Socialist, because if they call themselves Democrats and vote Democrat they are socialists.”

Are you a tautology professor?

“1. High taxation= Redistribution of wealth..Even the dimmest economist knows that low taxes builds the economy. The only reason for high taxation is to equalize the populace. To lessen their influence/threat on the powerful Government.”

that’s one take. there are many. It ain’t socialism.

“2. Nationalization of Companies…Maxine’s Dream”

I don’t think it’s a plank in the Dem platform.

“3. Regulation and taxation of private enterprise”

You want all private enterprise to be free of regulation? That could be ugly. And while my reaction to the WAY the government spends our tax money is likely VERY similar to yours, I’m OK with companies paying for the privilege of making piles of money.

“4. Obamas dream of a National Civil Police force. As Vox said, “The Brownshirts” “

I dunno. Something like “Homeland Security?” Is that bad?

“5. Socialized Medicine…We can experience the same Horrors as the Canadians, Brits, French, Cubans etc. I’m excited aren’t you? So much for all the World Renowned Medical Centers and Universities.”

Our health care system is as sick as a plane to Lourdes. I don’t know if socialization will fix it, but I also don’t know if it could make it worse.

“6. First Amendment gone by the way of The Unfairness Doctrine.”

I need to know more about this one. It certainly won’t result in “first amendment GONE”, for crying out loud.

“7. Gun ownership be gone “

I don’t see that happening, either; it’s an overreaction. But while you’re mentioning the second amendment, it says “arms”, not guns. Are you okay with just plain folks keeping rocket launchers and grenades? (I’m not saying I’m not, just asking)

“Why don’t you see or grasp what we are talking about Dave? These are things we don’t want to lose. This is not the change we want to have.”

Again this smacks of severe over-reaction, seriously out of proportion.

“We live in the greatest Country in the World.”

Agreed. Not perfect, but light years ahead of whoever can claim second place.

“The Democrat Party is now the Socialist Party Dave. They have almost started admitting it. Maxine came out and said it. Why can’t you?”

I’m not sure what you’re referring to, but she doesn’t speak for me.

A Suggestion

  Since Obama’s February primary victories, a fear has risen in the African-American community. More recently, similar concerns have drawn the attention of the FBI and Secret Service. In both cases,  worries center on the possible assassination of Obama.
  A growing amount of racist hate mail and blogs has already suggested good cause for such apprehension. But now, the arrests of Shawn Adolf, Tharin Gartrell and Nathan Johnson, as well as the unrelated conviction and sentencing of David Tuason, have pushed such issues into general public awareness. I do NOT accuse AIM and many of the bloggers reacting to its anti-Obama tirades of any legal wrong doing. I DO suggest a measure of self-restraint.
  Recent comments by Nana, Hansen, cowboyup6, Oscar Y. Harward, Julie O, JayMar, Jhn Blake andTim contain the following references to Obama: “arrogant ass,” “American traitor,” “Osambama,” “a true closet muslim and marxist,” “dirtier than a pig in a mud puddle,” “Osama Obama,” “Barry’s Marxist promises,” “Barry Obama,” “Sheik Obama,” “anti-American,” “treasonous snake,” “creep” and “[not] a good American.” Other AIM bloggers have avoided such moronic insults but still have accused Obama of evil intentions and wicked associations.
  All such comments enjoy First Amendment protection. None constitute actionable threats nor place any of the above-named in any legal jeopardy. However, they contribute to a miasma of paranoia and hatred. Thus, they raise questions of moral responsibility.
Remember the atmosphere of nonsensical conspiracy theories, vicious remarks, unfounded fears, accusations of treason etc. that surrounded people like Timothy McVeigh and many in the so-called Militia Movement some dozen or so years ago. McVeigh and Nichols alone (it seems) acted on such groundless imbecility. But the horrible murders they committed were at least partially motivated by that kind of “thinking.”
  Those of you that do so have every right to express anti-Obama sentiments. You have the right to believe and give vent to almost any statement in his regard, however meritless. BUT I STRONGLY SUGGEST AWARENESS OF POSSIBLE RAMIFICATIONS. It is in nobody’s interest to foment assassination fantasies in the minds of the unstable. It would be even more dangerous to inspire – however unintended – the tiny number of individuals prepared to act on such expressions of deranged hostility and unfounded fears. ANY OF YOU ARE FREE UNDER OUR LAWS TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS. But please, for your sake and the good of our nation, consider the possible consequences.
  There are some sensible ideological reasons to oppose Obama’s election. There are, in my opinion, many more to support him for president. In either case, however, reason and logic should prevail. Too much of what has and is appearing on AIM goes beyond logic, facts and common sense, and into the realm of bizarre paranoid fantasies. If any harm – even if only distantly related to such comments – should befall Obama, his wife and their two young daughters, that would raise the question of moral responsibility, however beyond legal implications. The murder of outstanding African-Americans has hardly been unknown in American history. While our society is much less racist than before, pools of the old poison continue to fester here and there. Who knows what might arise from such attitudes after the nomination of the first African-American for president by a major party.I don’t think any of us want to witness a contemporary imitator of James Earl Ray. I certainly hope not.
  SO, FOR LOVE OF ALL THINGS HOLY AND DECENT, CONSIDER THAT WORDS HAVE CONSEQUENCES – WHATEVER THEIR ENUNCIATORS INTENDED.

BRIAN: “that everyone will be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”  -Martin Luther King Jr

I may not have the exact words above as I am quoting it from memory but its really close. You start by bringing up three people that Colorado authorities have already stated very firmly had NOTHING to do with Obama – that was media hype because they were on the edge of the Denver Metro area.  But I will agree, anyone in the public scrutiny as is Obama will certainly attract crack pots wishing him harm and is the reason the FBI and Secret Service watch them so closely.  And McCain is getting the same.

After listening to the pure hate coming from the left about W for over 8 years, and you start by once again doing the Obama thing and dropping the race card, when not ONE racist thing has been said about him that I can remember on this site.
Then you warn us repeatedly about words that are common words used to describe someone Conservatives on this site DO NOT LIKE as if they are wrong words.

They are not wrong words to use, they are reasonable words to use about a man that we do actually see as a traitor to what America has been and he and his minions have actively been trying to “change” that and as we see he is trying to run this Republic down a path to ruin.

Yes, you are correct, it IS free speech, and in our opinions he is that man we use the adjectives to describe.  I have heard worse elsewhere, and I have certainly heard worse when it comes to Bush, and I don’t even like Bush, and I don’t like McCain – but worse has come from the left than usually comes from the right.

The adjectives you use are mostly mild and YOU KNOW THAT.  You suggest that you are trying to shame use into using other words flattering to Obama?  Won’t happen – he is an empty suit, a con man, a sham, a cad, a snake oil salesman – he is the worst thing that could happen to America.  I have little good to say about the Clinton’s but he is worse than if Hillary were the nominee.  And by rights she should have been the one winning.  Your corrupt party manipulated your own process to get him in.

Hillary could have beaten McCain, Obama will not win, and we will do whatever it takes to make sure he does not, and if calling him a muslim lover, which he is, such as Osamaobama is what it takes over and over again, so be it.

This is a man who covers up his relationship with people that should still be in prison for terrorism and for treason – yet they have walked free because they are leftist darlings.  This is a man that went to a racist church for over 20 years – the words on public TV coming out of the mouth of Wright ARE hate words, and every single example you used above are VERY mild in comparison to what we say on this site.

Oh, and yes, he IS an arrogant ass, the way he struts says that.

And the ONLY racism I have seen in this campaign has come from the mouth of Obama repeatedly as he drops the race card to shut up those he opposes, and the only racist words were from his despicable church and pastor, and that Catholic priest who should have been ex-communicated, and he is there at that church at their invitation, and leads a congregation that is obviously just as racist as is Obama’s church.  The Archbishop of Chicago should have shown this stain on the church to the cathedral door and booted him out.

I just looked at the list of words that in your PC mind you see as offensive.  I see nothing on that list that go to far, though the one about the pig in the puddle comes close in my mind, but I never remember seeing that comment, though I will not challenge it, as if you say you saw it here, then it probably was.  But that is the only word I would question.

He is a marxist, and sheik Obama is mild compared to what Americans think of the Muslims that hate us, and it doesn’t help him when he has the clearly Muslim middle name of Hussein.  And as for Barry Obama – excuse me Brian, but that is his nickname given to him by himself.

In fact, your diatribe will probably only incite commenters to use the MILD language even more, I predict, as Conservatives HATE to be told what are the PC approved words, and what is not PC.  Conservatives will use the NON PC words everytime.  Authoritarion states tell their people what is accepted speech and what is not, and those telling us that are the worse offenders and actually DO use offensive language – and they are called liberals.

You want us to show tolerance, and as every single Conservative knows, the MOST intolerant people in America ARE the liberals.  And you should know that Brian, as the most intolerant people on this site are YOU, DAVE, and BLACKHAT.  You know every single word in the Thesaurus to describe Conservatives as ignorant for what they believe.  It is your intolerance of us, and your offensive words telling us smugly how ignorant we are, that started problems on this site.  It is your cowing, your intimidation, and your veiled and some unveiled threats that is intolerable.

So don’t preach to us about tolerance, we know what we think of Obama, and WE WILL SAY IT, and say it often, and you can continue to tell us how ignorant we are, and we will see you as the truly ignorant one here.  Don’t even think you should cast the first stone after what you have said about people on this site.

Dear Master Hansen,
To go through what you have written and point out every piece of nonsense, irrational thinking, falsehood, and self-contradictory attempts at argument would take far more time than I care to devote to the exercise. But I will point out a few of your mindless statements.
1) Having convinced yourself that lies told about Obama are true, you defend the repeating of them. But if they were true, surely what is obvious to you would alos long ago have come to the attention of the CIA, FBI and other such agencies. Do you think that if any such nonsense had been established as true, it would not have been made public? Consider how the Bush administration has used other information that should have remained classified? But perhaps YOU should report such matters to the FBI. I urge you to do so. After all, if you think Obam is a threat to all you revere, isn’t it your duty to bring that to the attention of the authorities? I would suggest yu contact the agent you already have in my regard.
2) I am a loss to understand the argument that if others say or do bad things, that somehow gives you license to do the same.
3)My “corrupt party.” What makes you think I am a Democrat? That is quite extraordinary. Did it ever occur to you that I reject your nonsensical ideas about liberals because they are not true. I have done so in every other such regard. I was especialy astounded when you called me a Nazi. I replied with a general definition of what the word meant. Did that mean I was defending Nazis? Do you think that I and that noblest of men, Fred Miles, agree about anything? 
4) Are you a Catholic? If you are, your sure exhibit amazing ignorance of the powers of an archbishop. If not, do you think it appropriate to state what the head of the archdiosces of Chicago should or should not do?
5) My middle name is Robert. I bear it because one of my aunts was a nun called Sister Mary Robertine. In turn, she took the name in honor of Roberto Belarmino, the Jesuit Cardinal appointed to that honor by Clement VIII. Bellarmino played a major role – if not the major role – in the sentence that the Roman Inquisition imposed on Galileo. Does that mean I believe that the sun rotates around the earth? Just as I don’t recall taking that name for myself (I was about a week old at the time) I doubt that Obama chose to adopt the name “Hussein.”
6) Do you know what giving the name “Hussein” implies and what that suggests about his ATHEIST father? Your “logic” could be applied like this: Stalin’s father gave his son the name Josef. Josef is both a Jewish name and a Christian name. Josef Stalin was educated in an Orthodox seminary. Therefore, Stalin was either a Christian or a Jew pretnnding to be one. 
7) As so often in the past, you either can’t understand or can’t remember what I wrote. I didn’t call for tolerance. I suggested common sense. I didn’t use “Politically Correct” arguments. I did point out the possible consequences of stating stupidities. 
8)I remain astounded that you think I am a liberal. I’m a conservative in most of my political opinions. But I don’t think that liberals who disagree with me are evil or part of some vast conspiracy.
9) I have “cast the first stone”? How? Have I described McCain in the terms you and others have described Obama? Has anything I have written be even vaguely considered an incitement to unstable minds to carry out an assassination? What I have done is to point out ignorance, stupidity, irrationality, and the replacement of logic by emotion. I urge you and others to do the same.

Jack-

“Oh, and yes, he IS an arrogant ass, the way he struts says that.”

Wow! Someone’s threatened by a handsome, confident black man! (hint: it’s YOU!)

“He is a marxist,…”

your understanding of Marxism is poverty stricken…

“and sheik Obama is mild compared to what Americans think of the Muslims that hate us…”

WTF does that have to do with Obama?

“In fact, your diatribe will probably only incite commenters to use the MILD language even more, I predict, as Conservatives HATE to be told what are the PC approved words…”

Amazing. Is that the nyah nyah doctrine?

Great response Jack….when I read Brians threatning diatribe on how WE should pick and choose our words carefully and not insult the Obamessiah I got a cold chill.

Anyone that threatens to harm one hair on any politicians head needs to be punished. Words that have been used on this site have not one time even come close to that. It is Brian and his arrogant intolerance that gives me the chill. His warnings are a threat. He has some serious control issues that go along perfectly with his Narcissim. I was raised in a very Catholic town. I had many Catholic friends that attended all Catholic Private schools. Don’t know one that came out without some form of neurosis. The Nuns cracking the knuckles with rulers back in those days really did some damage. Just one of the forms of punishment. I remember the stories well.

I was just accused of fomenting hatred against the chosen one, most likely by an Obama troll, since my description of him as a closet muslim and marxist is spot on.  No, I will not refrain from speaking the truth.  Where is the protest against the leftist loons and their completely over-the-top obscene and violent slanders against any and all for McCain, or even just non-Obambots.  No, this unsigned post is bogus, unless and until they also protest against the extremist left like Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Moveon,Org., CPUSA, and their useful idiots.  This is not a party about nice, but rather one for the literal soul of this country.  Comrade Osama Barack Hussein Obama and his supporters, at least most of them, are the biggest danger threatening our Republic. The unbalanced kooks seem to be predominately on the left, so aim your sermons there friend.

Dear Ms. O,
As a special favor to me, please quote (accurately) what words of mine constitute threats. But also, as another favor, read my previous blog s-l-o-w-l-y and try to understand my point.
Do I need to point out that your anti-Catholicism is shameful? May the Founder of the Catholic Church forgive you.
By the way, do you also share the religious opinions of that great champion of decency, the Honorable Fred Miles?

JulieO-

“Great response Jack….when I read Brians threatning diatribe on how WE should pick and choose our words carefully and not insult the Obamessiah I got a cold chill.”

Like when you were little and your mom told you to “play nice”? Was that your cue to do the opposite, as Jack suggests?

Oh, and there’s a vast difference between a reasoned admonition and a “threatening diatribe”.
Brian’s was an example of the former.

Julie O:  There was nothing in your post that was anti-Catholic, except in Sullivan’s pathetic mind.  And in fact, in his case, the nuns just may have made him the sick worm that he is.  I have heard worse stories from being raised in a strict Catholic upbringing.

Now, I will state that I was raised as a Catholic, consider myself a Catholic ala a Roman Catholic, and not an adherer of the American Catholic way of being a Catholic.  Coming from a small town, we did not have a Catholic school, though we did see nuns in the summer at Catholic school for three weeks.  In fact, the first year I went, I screamed “a witch” when seeing a nun in her full habit and ran home. lol The nun nearly laughed herself to death.

And yes, Brian, even though you like to think yourself the resident authority on all things Catholic, most of what you spout are plain lies.  The Archbishop of Chicago does have the right to end the sick Catholic Priest’s pastorship at his parish, he has just chosen not to do so, as is typical of the American Catholic church.  I went to the Archdiocese’s website when I first heard that despicable priest’s racist rants at Wright’s church.  The Archbishop stated he had investigated it and put the Priest on short leash and one more transgression and he would be kaput.  And obviously the Archbishop lied, because the priest has made further transgressions and he is still there – but I expect that from the American Catholic Church that seems to think they do not have to adher to Rome.  Pope Benedict would have shown the priest to his cathedral door and kicked him squarely through it.  Racism is racism, and that priest is a racist.

I know there wasn’t Jack. I have no reason to be anti-Catholic. I am probably more anti-Presbyterian now since that is how I was raised. If it had not been for the Catholic Church, I could have been an entirely different person. I was Raised by two parents that did not want another child, so at times I just needed someone to listen.  I would walk down two short blocks to St. Patrick Cathedral when I needed to talk or have some feeling of God which was not in my home except on Sunday morning. The Priests were always there for me when I needed them, even though I was not Catholic. Never in my life even now as a born again Christian have I ever had negative feelings toward Catholism. The events were very true with my friends, some who still bear the effects. Brian is such an opportunistic blowhard. Just like those lunatics that accuse one of being racist because they say something negative about Obama. Piss on you Brian for your unfounded stupid allegations based on precious little information. And you think you are so damned smart.Pffftt

“Never in my life even now as a born again Christian have I ever had negative feelings toward Catholism”

other than observing that every one you knew who went to Catholic school emerged with ‘some sort of neurosis’…

“Piss on you Brian for your unfounded stupid allegations based on precious little information. And you think you are so damned smart.”

Not very Christian, methinks. And “precious little information”??? Your blinders are on too tight!

“Pffftt”

well put!

Dear Ms. O,
So the following words of your do not refelct anti-Catholic animus? ” I was raised in a very Catholic town. I had many Catholic friends that attended all Catholic Private schools. Don’t know one that came out without some form of neurosis. The Nuns cracking the knuckles with rulers back in those days really did some damage. Just one of the forms of punishment. I remember the stories well.” They sure strike me that way.

Are you put here on this earth to aggravate people Dave? Is it your job to take apart a sentence paragraph by paragraph so you can prove something is wrong with what they are saying? You have a real big emotional problem Dave. You weren’t even a part of this conversation you terminal jerk…or are you really a part of Brians split personality and don’t have one of your own. My interaction with you is done Bozo

Dear Master Hansen,
Whehter or not you would like it to be so, there really is only One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Furthermore, the contradictory remarks you made about the situation inside the Archdiocese of Chicago and Benedict XVI’s impotence to do anything about it is either hilarious or nonsensical, depending on how one analyses your words. The present Supreme Pontiff speks fluent English, reads English with ease and frequently watches TV news broadcasts from the US. He is certainly following the present election campaign carefully and with considerable knowledge of the US. After all, he visited this country frequently before he arose to the papacy and has been here recently as pope. Finally, he has a papal nuncio in Washington who reports to him frequently on the events within the American branch of the Church. So your strange fantasy about Benedict XVI’s inability to do anything about Father Whatshisname only reflects your wishful thinking: “If only the pope knew what was going on in Chicago!” But he does. It’s you that doesn’t.
About the best I can do for you, son of darkness is to offer you the following:

On a starred night Prince Lucifer uprose.
Tired of his dark dominion swung the fiend
Above the rolling ball in cloud part screened,
Where sinners hugged their spectre of repose.
Poor prey to his hot fit of pride were those.
And now upon his western wing he leaned,
Now his huge bulk o’er Afric’s sands careened,
Now the black planet shadowed Arctic snows.
Soaring through wider zones that pricked his scars
With memory of the old revolt from Awe,
He reached a middle height, and at the stars,
Which are the brain of heaven, he looked, and sank.
Around the ancient tracked marched, rank on rank,
The army of unalterable law.

Done any star-gazing lately, Master Hansen? Going to try to catch some repose tonight? Buona fortuna.

Ditto with you Brian..

3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you. 4Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given us. If a man’s gift is prophesying, let him use it in proportion to hisfaith. 7If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; 8if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

Brian, you need to go back and re-read my post.  I clearly said that the Pope CAN do something about it.  The Archbishop can also do something about it, said he would if it happened again, and then when it happened again, he did nothing, so he lied.

Now, if it had happened in Rome, I clearly stated that Pope Benedict would use his papal boot to kick father Wahtshis name out the front door of St Peter’s. 

Now, when you add to the argument, I would suggest that the Pope is perhaps not doing anything in the present as precedent has shown that unless things get really out of control in a large nation that has such a huge Catholic structure, like the US, he allows the hierarchy within the nation to handle the situation – the Pope is not known to be a micromanager.

And that is what I have a problem with the Catholic Church in America.  Abortion is against Catholic teachings, but the NUMEROUS politicians in America that are Catholic and are also supportive of abortion is significant.  Why the very hierarchy of the Democrat Party is nearly all Catholic now, and they are for even partial birth abortion, yet the church in America turns a blind eye to this and allows them Communion.  The Archbishop of Denver has just stated that Pelosi should not be taking Communion, but I will bet ya a dollar that the next time she is in church, she will take Communion, and the corrupt hierarchy within the American Catholic church will say and do nothing.

That is just one example between the church of Rome and the American Catholic Church.  The Pope DOES need to start doing some micromangaing in America and clean up the mess, and all us non-practicers just might come back – and the number of non-practicing Catholics, I would suggest, is very very large, and I would also suggest, it is mostly because the American Catholic Church allows things that are clearly anti-Catholic.

JulieO-

What would Jesus post?

Hahahahahaha – you sick twisted liberals WILL say and do anything.

dave – what would Jesus post – Jesus would not post anything that you post, and Jesus would tell you that when you enter a Conservative leaning site that you are their guest and not their master, with some God given right to antagonize and intimidate – and perhaps you should leave when it is evident that you are not wanted.  But when was the last time that a liberal gave a damn what Jesus wanted – after all you have your hands full removing every vestige of Jesus and religion from American culture and society.  What our forefathers and foremothers knew to be what would sustain the health of the Republic, the spiritual beliefs of the people, you and the other sick liberals know better than them, and have decided what worked for over 200 years has to go and go quick.

WE on the site have told you to take your toys child and go home, and now Jesus is saying the same thing and still you can’t take a H I N T!!!
What a putz!

He has already posted Dave..

1Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, 2and he began to teach them saying:
3″Blessed are the poor in spirit,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4Blessed are those who mourn,
    for they will be comforted.
5Blessed are the meek,
    for they will inherit the earth.
6Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
    for they will be filled.
7Blessed are the merciful,
    for they will be shown mercy.
8Blessed are the pure in heart,
    for they will see God.
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
    for they will be called sons of God.
10Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

JUlieJUlieJUlie-

“Are you put here on this earth to aggravate people Dave?”

If that’s what the creator wants. I’m just a vessel…

“Is it your job to take apart a sentence paragraph by paragraph so you can prove something is wrong with what they are saying?”

No, but I’ll take a paragraph apart sentence by sentence and I do it for free.

“You have a real big emotional problem Dave.”

Ah, if I had only ONE!

“You weren’t even a part of this conversation you terminal jerk…”

terminal jerk: an ohnoxious type who frequents bus and train stations.

“or are you really a part of Brians split personality and don’t have one of your own.”

This is weird, even for YOU.

“My interaction with you is done Bozo”

Blessed are the bozos, for they shall inherit the whole damn circus!

Dear Master Hansen,
I read what you wrote extremely carefully, not once but several times.
Where did you get the notion that Benedict XVI (Josef Ratzinger) is not a micromanager? Do you have any idea of his service under John Paul II? It seems not. More to the point, do you think he is unaware of what has happened in Chicago, especially in the context of the present presidential election campaign? It seems you know litle or nothing about the present functioning of the Holy See. Tell me, how much time have you spent in Rome lately, if ever? Do you have any friends in the curia? I very much doub it.
I lived in Rome for two years in the 1970s and visit it at least once a year. I’ll be there again for several weeks this October. And I am close to some of those who are part of the Vatican bureaucracy, both laity and clergy. You know not about what state. But you really are an opinionated ignoramus.

Brian-

“On a starred night Prince Lucifer uprose.
Tired of his dark dominion swung the fiend…”

Have you ever heard of the writings of one Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky? He has some interesting takes, to say the least, on identifying Lucifer.

Jack….Don’t you find it amusing that the Liberals love to throw out the question..What would Jesus do? If they read the book…they would realize it has already been done. Final curtain on this play coming soon. These last posts of mine have had their purpose Jack. I trust you know what that purpose is.

JulieO

apparently your blinders prevented you from seeing that I was merely showing that for someone who professes to be a Christian, you were posting distinctly un-Christian remarks. That’s all. I suspect you STILL don’t get it.

The fact that you’re apparently a “rapture”ist does not surprise me one bit.

Dear Dave,
I’m only vaguely aware of Velikovksy’s writings. My favorite Russian author on the subject of evil in general and Satan in particular is Mikhail Bulgakov. I like “Heart of a Dog” but really admire “The Master and Margerita.” The scene in which Lucifer performs what his audience of atheist Bolsheviks think are just sleight of hand tricks is, to me, the funniest thing I have ever read – especially when the Prince of Darkness reveals his “tricks” are for real. Just last year, one of the Russian TV channels boradcast a mini-series based on the book. I hope to get a copy with subtitles because my Russian freinds thought it ws very good. Unfortunately, I can’t read Russian.

No Dave…I was not posting un-Christian remarks. What you say and what I post have nothing to do with one another. Case in point…

The fact that you’re apparently a “rapture”ist does not surprise me one bit.

Who said one thing about the Rapture?

JulieO-

I guess when I saw you write “Final curtain on this play coming soon.” I surmised the endtimes were being referenced. I still think that’s the case.

Dave, you taught yourself a lesson. I hope you got it.

Yes, I believe in the end times. I believe in The Bible is the word of God. The end times are mentioned many many times. But, am I a Rapture”ist”? Some Christians believe in The Rapture, some do not, some are on the fence. I am none of those really. I look for the signs of Christ, but not being hauled up into the heavens. I am a Christian….full stop. Not a Rapturist. Never heard of that term Rapturist.

Dave, you and Brian have twisted and turned my words to the shape you want. I never said anything against Catholism. I told the truth about what happened in the 50’s and 60’s in Parochial schools. Do reporters that report the news about animal cruelty hate animals? Crap happened back in those times, and some of my friends paid the price. If Brian is touchy about the truth, oops I hit a nerve. Still, it doesn’t mean I hate Catholics. You are not stupid Dave, but I believe you think it is more important for to dig at someone in these threads and look like a big intimidating smart guy than to be thoughtful about what you are saying. I could spend hours taking you apart sentence by sentence. What would that prove to me or anyone else?

That I have too much time on my hands. My productivity is more important to me than playing gotcha.

Dear Ms. O,
I pose a question for you which I hope that you will consider carefully, If you read the very end of the Gospel of John, the writer states quite clearly that the gospels describe only a fraction of the things Jesus said and did. We have few sources apart from the gospels on the life of Jesus. They don’t add a great deal of additional information.
But consider two passages the gospels do contain. 1) Jesus said; “I don’t bring peace but a sword.” 2) When Jesus was arrested in the garden, Peter pulled out his own sword and cut off the ear of one of the thugs working for the Temple leadership.
Wasn’t Jesus a total pacifist? What was Peter, the man Jesus chose as the leader of the apostles, doing with a sword? Being the Son of God, Jesus had to have known Peter was carrying a weapon. Why didn’t He chastise him for that and demand Peter get rid of the sword before he could commit any violence? Why did Jesus wait until after Peter sliced off the henchman’s ear – which must have hurt like the blazes – before intervening?
I raise these points because I don’t think you really understand what Jesus’ message was and what he was trying to teach us.
But, please, consider these questions and respond.

“McCain may be a sad sad choice, and hopefully after four years we can upgrade to better,”

Nah, you won’t be “upgrading to better,” fool. Who do you think you’re kidding? You could have “upgraded to better” THIS TIME, but you blew it – not just for conservatives – for all Americans – you could have had Ron Paul. He ALONE could have and WOULD HAVE WIPED THE FLOOR WITH OBAMA.

DON’T THINK SO?

PICTURE THEM DEBATING…

He, despite the supposedly terrible 20-year-old newsletters (that are less racist than stuff Obama says every other day), knows what the problems are in this country, and he has the smarts and the courage to fix them.

By comparison, Obama and McCain are 2-year-old screaming children with jam all over their faces, and crap in their little diapers.

***

Obama is horrible, and his supporters don’t think at all, they know nothing except their hatred of all things republican, conservative, and libertarian. They have no idea what a monster they support, because they have no idea how the world works. Don’t try to tell them, because they would rather eat dirt than learn anything.

Conservatives however, are even more scary, because they are SUPPOSED TO KNOW BETTER. They talk about freedom, and “limited government” but they NEVER, EVER DO A DAMN THING TO LIMIT IT.

IT GROWS AND GROWS WHILE THEY POSTURE AND PONTIFICATE.

THERE IS NO REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ACTUAL RESULTS OF THE TWO PARTIES; NOR WOULD THERE BE ANY REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESULTS OF THE TWO MEN, AND NONE OF YOU STUPID JERKS EVEN SEEM TO REALIZE THAT.

Truman didn’t shrink FDR’s goverment, and Johnson didn’t stop Kennedy’s war in Vietnam. Nixon had wage and price controls like a socialist, and Reagan made supposed “liberal” Jimmy Carter’s government bigger. Peace-loving pot-smoking Bill Clinton went to war at will, and then “humble foreign policy” GW Bush made Clinton’s government bigger. Way bigger.

What is certain – is that either McCain or Obama will do the same thing – make government bigger.

You people kill me, you really do. You argue and bitch at each other, over what? Nothing.

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“Conservatives” are nearly as socialistic as anybody they criticize, which is why they (many of them, including Oliver North and others) crow about how Iraqi oil revenue is going to be “distributed” among the Iraqi people, and how good that supposedly is.

I have a couple of questions for you supposed “capitalists.”

One, why isn’t AMERICAN oil revenue “distributed” among the people? Oh, that’s right, we have private corporations who produce that oil and sell it to the highest bidder. There is no such “distribution” going on here. I thought that we believed that our market based system was better for everyone all around?

So, then, why aren’t we recommending that for the Iraqis eh? And, for that matter, if our constitution is so great, why didn’t we recommend that for them too? Why’d they need to spend all that time and money thinking up a new one when we had a perfectly good one they could have used?

Especially since we don’t even seem to be using ours. 

Methinks that our “conservatives” are really socialists in disguise. Actually, the facts support that conclusion anyway; most neocons are former socialists. Reagan himself was one. Bill Buckley was one too, and a CIA operative to boot. Rush Limbaugh thinks Buckley should be considered as one of the Founding Fathers of this nation – I heard him say it.

With all due respect to Rush – that is sick. Buckley was much more concerned about himself than he was about freedom, and freedom is what this country is all about, nothing else. He ain’t no Thomas Jefferson, and to even suggest that he was is delusional. 

But hey, I guess there’s a lot of that going around these days.

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As for you supposedly “anti-war” liberals – don’t kid yourselves, you’re as bloodthirsty as they come, starting with FDR, and right up to Obama. Lord Obama isn’t going to stop any fighting, or any wars on net – and you are all fools if you think he will. Big governments like you want to have will always find a way to war, and the wars will only end when we run out of money, or that money becomes worthless.

Don’t worry though, that time is coming. Soon. You will all live to see it. Don’t say you weren’t warned, because Ron Paul definitely warned you.

Too bad you’re all too damn stupid to listen.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled pointless squabbling over nothing.

Tom deSabla, some of your points are quite valid but you post like such a typical Ron Paul supporter; with contempt for those who don’t support your position. For a moment I almost thought you were Brian Sullivan, another charming fellow on these boards who thinks everyone else is a moron and believes that civility in discussions with his lessers is a liability.

Ron Paul is right about a lot of things that are wrong with our government. All he has to do is point people to Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution and ask them if many, perhaps most, federal government programs are really constitutional. It isn’t a matter if they’re “good,” “necessary,” or even if our intentions are good. If the Constitution doesn’t provide the authority for programs that we feel are needed than we should amend the Constitution first. Needless to say, that sensible philosophy fell by the wayside a long time ago and as you point out both major parities are guilty of disdain for the Constitution. As Karl Marx said, the road to hell is paved with best of intentions. Despite what some want to believe, we no longer live in a Democratic Republic under the rule of constitutional law.

Unfortunately in debates Dr. Paul came off as an old scold, like a little old schoolmaster cracking kids’ knuckles with a ruler. It turned people off. If you think presentation doesn’t matter, say that after THE ONE becomes president.

Oh no! They’ve found out! I thought my disguise as Tom deSabla was so clever. Turns out that I’m not as smart as I used to think I was. But (heh, heh, heh), no one will ever catch on to the fact that I also pose as a guy named Cliff Kincaid.

Obamabots…Paulbots….

Brian Sullivan – you quote TIME MAGAZINE as your source?  LOL!!!  Ha ha hee hee ho

It seems the entire crowd of usual posters is here – Good for you all! I enjoy reading your opinions.

Now do as the obamabots do and go post on Huffington, and Daily koz – that is, if you can stomach it!  Try to educate the obamabots about their candidate who refuses to release information about his ties to Rezko and other corrupt criminals he surrounded himself with while in Illinois. 

What I think is interesting about Obama is that he has less experience than Sarah Palin.  She as governor has to make HARD decisions that affect the welfare of the state while Ob just posts PRESENT to avoid controversy!  I also find it interesting that she is compared to HIM not to Biden whom she will line up in her cross hairs at the VP debate. 

Ever wonder if Biden is also financed by Obama’s group of cronies?  I wonder if AIM would do an issue on who is funding him?

Oh wow!

This election is going to be ‘interesting’!

Ron Paul didn’t come off as a scold.  He just didn’t sugar coat the facts.  We are, all voters anyway, supposed to be adults and capable of understanding straight talk.  We are also supposed to be strong enough to listen to facts and not run cringing to someone who will tell us ‘everything’s going to be all right’.

He laid out the problems, and they are monumental.  He laid out the solutions and they are tough.  Many did not want to know about those problems.  It is frightening and it would have demanded some real changes.

The news media tried it’s best to destroy Ron Paul.  They did everything they could to stop anyone from hearing his message.

The post earlier about not speaking out negatively against Obama was chilling. 

It’s pretty transparent, though, so I don’t think it will get much traction – unless Obama gets elected.  Then we may see some laws along those lines.

To be fair, though, I have seen the same thing said to those of us who have criticized this President.

“Ever wonder if Biden is also financed by Obama’s group of cronies?”

Is that the kind of thing you wonder about, Helen? You are an odd one.

“I wonder if AIM would do an issue on who is funding him?”

It’s probably satanic marxist muslim kid-touchers.

I am so afraid we are focusing on where the media is leading us.

Is Mr. Obama connected to cummunism?  Possibly and maybe probably.  He is not alone, I don’t think.

Communism is not dead.  It is stronger than ever and communist China, with the aid of our own government and businesses, have devised a system whereby the American people support the idealogy.  Through our government’s sweet trade deals, our business (in league with the government) has helped a communist country to rise to a super power – maybe THE superpower in the coming years – economically and militarily.

It seems China is embracing a form of capitalism, coupled with communism.  The people, or workers, are governed by communism and a repressive government – while corporations and their hacks in the Chinese government make tons of money.  I’m thinking that is what the ‘movers and shakers’ of the world have in mind for all of us. 

In order to bring that about here in America, they have to wipe out the middle income people and have only the elites and the ‘workers’.  That is coming about right now.  Some of us think we are prospering.  We ‘own’ our homes, don’t we?  Do we?  How many homes are without a mortgage?  Even if you no longer owe on your home, what if you couldn’t pay the rising taxes?  What if Wal Mart, or some other entity wanted your home site?

In this country, there are a lot of retail sales going on, a huge (and growing) healthcare system, a huge (but pretty ineffectual) education system.  Think what would happen to all of that if the government withheld the monies?

Without this influx of borrowed and confiscated monies, this economy would slow to a trickle.  If credit cards demanded payment in full, or simply cancelled the line of credit, there would be chaos.

The foundation for communism/capitalism are already in place in this country, and it is being supported and aided by our politicians and the news media.

Obama is not the man to be President of this country, but rather than focus on his communist connections, we need to look at the communist connections of our entire government – all of them.  That is where the real danger is.

I’m thinking the media is putting out these little tidbits of Obama’s communist connections to keep us from realizing they ALL have communist connections.

Another thing that has to happen is the dissolution of our national sovereignty and it is happening very fast.

Obama is not the man for the job, but the communism we need to fear is backing all of them in WAshington.  You are aiding and abetting everytime you spend a dime in Wal Mart, or most other stores in this country.

“Is Mr. Obama connected to cummunism?  Possibly and maybe probably.”

What’s that, neo-porn? this guy must be stopped!

“”“”“”“What’s that, neo-porn? “”“”“”“”“

I’m assuming that means something – it escapes me.

Yes, Obama needs to be stopped.

But what are you going to do about all the others in our government(s), federal, state and local, and business who are facilitators of communism?

The media is trying to present the idea that only Obama is connected to communism – and it seems a lot of the people are buying that.

Communist China has a stranglehold on our economy, our business, and more.  That wasn’t done by Mr. Obama.  It was done by our government officials, both Republicans and Democrats, over decades.

Does anything think if Obama is defeated (I certainly hope he is), Communist China’s influence on our lives will cease?

Yes defeat communism, defeat Obama.  Then actually DO something about defeating communism.  WE need to get rid of the people in congress that have championed the cause of communist China through the suicidal trade deals.

We need to stop spending our money – as much as we can – with the retailers and businesses that also have some very powerful ‘communist connections’.  They are the ones that are really doing us harm.

Or we can delude ourselves and think if only we keep Obama out of the WH, communism will be stopped in it’s tracks.

Dave, are you trying to insinuate that those who don’t buy into the carefully crafted image of THE ONE as a middle of the road liberal populist are a bundh of neocons? Or are you just throwing out your usual incoherent bilge?

ladytexan, are you daring to imply that neither major party can be trusted, that neither have much respect for a democratic Republic under the rule of constitutional law? Are you insinuating that perhaps voters should seriously consider voting for a third party like the Constitution Party, the American Independent Party, or the American Reform in order to send a message to Foggy Bottom?

“I’m assuming that means something – it escapes me.”

It was a joke. you typed “cummunism” instead of “communism” and i took the opportunity to make a foul joke. Sorry. I do, however, think your reaction to what you see as the threat of communism is about 60 years late.

“Dave, are you trying to insinuate that those who don’t buy into the carefully crafted image of THE ONE as a middle of the road liberal populist are a bundh of neocons?”

I have no idea what you’re referring to. Seriously, which post are you talking about?

‘‘Roberto’’ – Actually, I was doing more than implying, I was stating it.  Anyone who is willing to give it some thought and look back at very recent history can see it for themselves.

‘‘Dave’’ -  Foul jokes usually do go over my head.

What do you mean by 60 years too late?  If you mean that cOmmunism has taken over our country already, I agree.  If you mean that cOmmunism is not a threat, then I disagree.

It is never too late to do the right thing, however.  It just takes a little effort and in our case, denying ourselves the thrill of a weekly basket-filling at Wal Mart would be a giant step in that direction.

To Brian R. Sullivan,  Barry Hussein Osama, oops, Obama is not the first African American candidate (we prefer “black”, NO hyphenated Americans!! He is the first MULATTO candidate you cretin. His atheist mother was white or does’nt the mothers race count in your small mind???

Never part without loving words to think of during your absence. It may be that you will not meet again in life.

The only time to buy these is on a day with no ‘y’ in it.

TomHag-

What kind of “doctor” are you? I’m just curious.

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