Accuracy in Media

Paul Kengor’s new book, Takedown: From Communists to Progressives, How the Left Has Sabotaged Family and Marriage, provides a detailed explanation of why, according to a new Gallup poll, “Americans are more likely now than in the early 2000s to find a variety of behaviors morally acceptable, including gay and lesbian relations, having a baby outside of marriage and sex between an unmarried man and woman.” Gallup notes, “Moral acceptability of many of these issues is now at a record-high level.”

What we are witnessing is a “shift to the left” that has been carefully orchestrated and planned over the course of decades. It is a phenomenon known as “cultural Marxism,” the application of Marxism to culture rather than the economic sphere. Kengor’s book, published by an arm of WorldNetDaily, outlines how this movement has operated, naming the names of the individuals and organizations that have been part of it, and how they have reached their zenith under the presidency of Barack Obama and the Democratic Party.

Significantly, he writes, Obama’s “most enduring legacy may be on American culture,” not in economics or foreign policy.

This seems mystifying, since as a candidate Obama had presented himself as a strong family man and a Christian, with two young daughters and a wife devoted to them. And yet, Kengor, author of The Communist: Frank Marshall Davis: the Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor, has documented how Frank Marshall Davis, a communist atheist and pedophile, had an enormous influence on Obama. Kengor documents this yet again in the chapter of his new book, “The Gay-Marriage President and His Mentor.”

A professor who has written several books on politics, religion, and anti-communism, Kengor focuses on the role of the universities, especially Columbia University, in this cultural transformation. He calls them “indoctrination centers.” The products, he writes, “now pervade other cultural institutions critical to changing society’s opinions: media, television, films, education, and, the greatest influencer of all…the Internet, where they commandeer engines like Google and Yahoo! and Facebook and Mozilla…”

The evil genius behind the “fundamental transformation” of America lies in making it appear that this descent into immorality and paganism is somehow “progressive,” and a move to a higher level of consciousness. The book documents how the Judeo-Christian foundations of this country are being dismantled right before our eyes. It is not an accident. It is the planned destruction of America and the religious values that gave birth to our political and economic freedoms.

As recently as the 1990s, Kengor points out, there was a bipartisan consensus that children needed to have a dad and a mom. Now, that consensus has been rejected, as fatherless or motherless families are being embraced. Things have happened so quickly, he notes, that “everyday Americans” have even been conditioned to embrace major aspects of this revolutionary change.

As a student of the Marxist notion of dialectical change, I found Kengor’s treatment of the Marxist call for the “abolition of the family” to be fascinating. He devotes several pages to a discussion of what Marx meant by that phrase, and whether abolition means termination or gradual transcendence. What cannot be disputed is that the destruction of the traditional family results in more power for the government to control our lives and interfere with families. “As long as the traditional family is reversed,” he notes, “Marxism is advanced.”

The Marxist viewpoint was openly expressed by Professor Melissa Harris-Perry of MSNBC, who advocated a “collective notion” of control of children in advertisements for the cable channel. “We have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families…” she said.

As the family unit withers away, the government would take control of the children.

The next step is for “progress” or “evolution” to a new level, with such concepts and arrangements as multiple wives, group marriages, sibling marriages, fathers and stepfathers marrying daughters and stepdaughters, and uncles marrying nieces.

If you think this is somehow impossible, Kengor quotes directly from a group called “Beyond Marriage,” which has issued a statement, “Beyond Same-Sex Marriage: A New Strategic Vision.” Prominent among this group is Chai Feldblum, a Georgetown University law professor and a commissioner on the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) under President Obama.

The author of the paper, “Gay Is Good: The Moral Case for Marriage Equality and More,” Feldblum argues, “the moral case for supporting the range of other creative ways in which we currently construct our intimate relations outside of marriage.”

What is particularly disturbing about this progression is that Georgetown advertises itself as the nation’s oldest Catholic and Jesuit university. It seems difficult to square its Catholic reputation with having someone like Feldblum on the payroll “teaching” students. Then, again, this is clearly part of the transformation that has been going on for decades and which is meticulously documented in the Kengor book.

Kengor is astounded by this turn of events, about how “everyday mainstream Americans” have come to accept ideas and concepts that are destroying their very own country. “We are breaking new ground in the long, long sweep of human history,” he writes, “and the groundbreakers act as if it is no big deal whatsoever…”

What’s worse, as we have repeatedly noted, the so-called “conservative media” have abandoned the struggle as well, as Fox News personality Greg Gutfeld and the once-conservative National Review have endorsed same-sex marriage. (Gutfeld has been rewarded with his own show on the Fox News Channel).

So what is the way out of this cultural collapse?

Kengor, a Roman Catholic, devotes a whole chapter, “The Voice of Sheen,” to the wisdom of Catholic Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, who had popular radio and television shows and wrote two important books, Communism and the Conscience of the West, and Peace of Soul. Sheen understood how Marxism was designed to destroy the traditional family.

“The Universal Roman Catholic Church was far and away the dominant international voice of opposition to the communist movement and its tumultuous machinations,” Kengor notes.

Fulton Sheen died in 1979, but DVDs of his talks and programs are still extremely popular among traditional Catholics.

Strangely, Kengor’s book begins with a quotation from Pope Francis about the threat to the family, as if the current pope will somehow emerge as a Fulton Sheen-type of Catholic or world leader. Instead, however, Francis has embraced pro-homosexual priests, the United Nations agenda, liberation theologians, Barack Obama, Raul Castro and Mahmoud Abbas.

By contrast, Sheen supported traditional Catholic teaching on homosexuality and had described how “false compassion” was “gradually growing in this country” to the point where “pity…is shown not to the mugged, but to the mugger…to the dope fiends, to the beatniks, to the prostitutes, to the homosexuals, to the punks…” He spoke up for the “decent man,” who, he said, “is practically off the reservation.”

It seems like he was describing cultural Marxism.

Today, the decent man is not only “off the reservation,” but is in danger of extinction himself.

Ironically, the liberals tried to demonize the late Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-WI) by asking, “Have you no sense of decency?,” when he investigated communists in the federal government. Yet, as the Kengor book makes clear, McCarthy didn’t go far enough; the Marxist manipulation of culture was never examined in the detail that was required.

Now that we can see the damage and destruction all around us, the decent men and women of the United States can see they are in danger of losing their families and their country. The book Takedown is must-reading so we can understand the terrible predicament we are in.

But whether we will get the moral leadership we need from the churches remains to be seen. Some religious leaders will try to make peace with the “change,” while others will resist it on the basis of sound principles based on natural law. Kengor notes that another objective of the cultural Marxists is the complete “takedown of religious institutions,” so more confrontations are on the way. The plan is to “rob” Americans of their First Amendment religious freedoms.

He quotes the aforementioned Feldblum of “Catholic” Georgetown University as saying, “I’m having a hard time coming up with any case in which religious liberty should win.”

Will the Republican presidential candidates come to the defense of the “decent man” and the traditional family? Or will they pander to the progressive constituencies demanding special rights for an increasing number of sexual minorities?

This is an “especially exciting time for extreme leftists,” Kengor writes, for they are “genuinely transforming human nature” and America itself, with “the unwitting support of a huge swatch of oblivious citizens and voters.”

But the American revolutionaries of 1776 faced overwhelming odds and their descendants may not go away quietly.



Comments

  • Steven Barrett

    Maybe if more parents took the overall perspective of what Perry is trying to aim at, where we all pitch in and shun the attitude of “not my job” or “not my kid” we wouldn’t have so much of all this breakdown Kincaid and Kengor are (rightly) upset about. All of us should be upset and all of us have to man/woman up and demonstrate that adulthood isn’t just a biological milestone: It’s a sign of one’s coming of age both individually speaking and socially as well. Otherwise we might as well let every libertine write all our rules, regulations and laws covering us from pre-school to the nursing home.
    Forgive my over-stretching things in the last sentence, but I purposely did so to illustrate the fact we all have at least some responsibility to step up and stand down thugs, bullies, sexual abusers, verbal abusers at home or in school or in the workplace and proudly stand up for those who cannot defend themselves without some help. And this extends to how we respond to natural disasters, decline in our neighborhoods, and so forth. I would like to say by and large that we do a good job when it comes to helping out more when it comes to meeting our obligations concerning how we in our local communities, be they cities, counties or small towns and villages, or wards and police/fire precincts … but why does it seem like even reasonable requests for tax hikes to afford new equipment, newer schools, better kitchens in them, you name ’em, squad cars … it seems like a local trench war has to break out? But isn’t it odd how some communities which have long resisted the need to fact local facts, demonstrate fiscal and social responsibility to save for wear n’ tear of equipment … wait’ll the machinery’s ready to fall apart, and then have to buy brand spanking newer and more expensive items . . . but oh, will they jump like fleas on to the Federal carcass to mooch off of the biggest source of OPM when it comes to getting beaucoup in grant money for damn near every thing available for civilian use to ensure that “law n order” will be kept as those respective communities’ highest priority for all to see and learn from. What are we teaching our kids? Welfare for a select few in our communities count for more than making sure all of us benefit more from putting more money into police outreach programs to work with the kids, hiring better teachers, getting more for the property taxpayers bucks so that the public schools theyre paying for arent going to seed so charter schools designed more to catering to the kids of more affluent parents are better able to take bigger bites out of our local budgets? Maybe this is what Melissa Harris-Perry is really trying to get at. Too bad she put too much of an ideological punch in her comments because that’s all the conservatives saw or wanted to see so they could point and say … “See see see, told ya so, lisssen to that Red, they haven’t changed in decades and never will.”
    Why should they given the fact that the past several decades worth of promoting too much of an emphasis on individualism has done far more than the conservatives are willing to admit to when it comes to causing so much societal breakdown. When has taking the mortar of social cohesion and cooperation ever helped to keep us together?

  • Ted

    The cultural war is lost.

    The next war will be the former members of the working middle class against the fatcats who rule them and treat them as nothing more than ‘serfs’ … and that war will be more than just a blowhard-based partisan war of words.

  • Colorado Conservative

    Thank you for the book suggestion Cliff, placed my order immediately based on your review and earlier book suggestions of yours that have been excellent.

  • Marcus

    Loosen the tinfoil, Cliff; it’s cutting off circulation to what’s left of your brain.

  • pekin

    Cliff; It is so nice to read Your article and I believe in Your analysis, as I have been following You for quite some time!! Constance

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    So true! People confuse Christian liberties and rights with merely the the ability to worship in their own home or house of worship, but have NO problem with expressing EVERY secular thought (secularism is a religion to itself,so is Atheism), at all times, with NO restraint at all. They give NO thought about pushing THEIR religion down everyone else’s throats, but since they are NOT Christian, no one freaks out about it.

    Religion-1)something one BELIEVES in and follows devotedly;
    2)a point or matter of ethics or conscience:

    secularism – the BELIEF that religion and religious bodies
    should have no part in political or civic affairs or in running public
    institutions, especially schools

    Athiesm, A BELIEF that there is no God. Some say that the proper term is LACK of BELIEF in God, but either way, it is a BELIEF or LACK OF BELIEF, still makes it a belief system. It is semantics, really..they mean the same
    thing. I hear some retort with if Atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color…..but bald is the scalp itself that you couldn’t see, when it was covered with HAIR, Then if the hair is lost or cut off (or hasn’t grown in, yet), THEN the person is bald. The color is irrelevant…….that is just BAD reasoning skills!

    THe culture war has been going on for DECADES. Whether its acclimating people to homosexual “normalcy” on television with a few “nonthreatening” characters in the 70’s and 80’s and and introducing more and more through Hollywood as people accept ideas through the movies and their tv’s, no matter how ridiculous.

    for example…..one tactic that been WORKING against the family is,

    “Desensitize, Jam, and Convert The extensive three-stage strategy to
    Desensitize, Jam and Convert the American public is reminiscent of
    George Orwell’s premise of goodthink and badthink in 1984. As Kirk and
    Madsen put it, “To one extent or another, the separability–and
    manipulability–of the verbal label is the basis for all the abstract
    principles underlying our proposed campaign.” Desensitization is
    described as inundating the public in a “continuous flood of gay-related
    advertising, presented in the least offensive fashion possible. If
    straights can’t shut off the shower, they may at least eventually get
    used to being wet.” But, the activists did not mean advertising in the
    usual marketing context but, rather, quite a different approach: “The
    main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly
    tiresome.” They add, “[S]eek desensitization and nothing more. . . .
    [I]f you can get [straights] to think [homosexuality] is just another
    thing–meriting no more than a shrug of the shoulders–then your battle
    for legal and social rights is virtually won.” This planned hegemony is a
    variant of the type that Michael Warren describes in Seeing Through the
    Media where it “is not raw overt coercion; it is one group’s covert
    orchestration of compliance by another group through structuring the
    consciousness of the second group.” Jamming makes use of the rules of
    Associative Conditioning . . . and Direct Emotional Modeling. . . . . . .
    . [T]he bigot need not actually be made to believe . . . that others
    will now despise him . . . [r]ather, our effect is achieved without
    reference to facts, logic, or proof. . . . [W]hether he is conscious of
    the attack or not. Indeed, the more he [the bigot] is distracted by any
    incidental, even specious, surface arguments, the less conscious he’ll
    be of the true nature of the process–which is all to the good.

    Jamming
    is psychological terrorism meant to silence expression of or even
    support for dissenting opinion. According to one knowledgeable source,
    “Dr. Laura is only the most visible victim of this new assault on free
    speech and thought.” The final stage, Conversion, means the “conversion
    of the average American’s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned
    psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via
    the media.” With Conversion, the bigot is shown images of “his crowd
    actually associating with gays in good fellowship.” The alleged bigot
    “is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs . . . of gays . . .
    carefully selected to look either like the bigot and his friends, or
    like any one of his other stereotypes of all right guys.”

    Anothertactic is to claim that famous historical figures were homosexual. This associates homosexuals with positive images (symbols) just like
    advertisers use celebrity endorsements.

    Famous historical figures
    are considered especially useful to us for two reasons: first, they are
    invariably dead as a doornail, hence in no position to deny the truth
    and sue for libel. Second, and more serious, the virtues and
    accomplishments that make these historic gay figures admirable cannot be
    gain said or dismissed by the public, since high school history
    textbooks have already set them in incontrovertible cement.”_ Selling Homosexuality to America http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/730694/posts

    If this doesn’t sound EXACTLY like what has happened to America, then you haven’t been paying attention!

  • Willard Gibbs

    Reactionary Chicken Littles have been pronouncing the Death of the West for over a century and somehow the end never comes. But if fighting the inevitable trend of social liberalization gives you know-nothings a reason for living, mazel tov!

  • Maria-Erlinda Martinez

    Have We Lost the Cultural War? HELL NO!!! There are out there about 90 million citizens of voting age that don’t vote, 40 million of them being Evangelicals who don’t participate in politics in the belief that –with they doing nothing on their own– God will fix it for them. The vast majority of those 90M are non-leftists, as the entire leftist population has been voting consistently, and DemocRAT, in the general elections since 2008. It was then when their messiah, their “perfect storm” appeared in scene: 1- Obama the consummate Leninist adherent and operative; 2- Obama, the Islamist sympathizer; and, 3- Obama, the anti-white hyper-racist black with a mega-chip on his shoulder and an obsessively messianic thirst of revenge on “white-America”.

    Those 90M are spread all over the country, with some of them in your personal circle: relatives, coworkers, friends, neighbors, church fellows, sports and hobby pals, etc.

    Thus, instead of just whining and moaning that we lost this or that war, do your part and go and get them…and tell others to do the same!!!

  • johmill

    Actually there are only about 20-30 million evangelicals that don’t vote. I agree that getting them to vote could make a huge difference in elections, but it won’t stop the moral failure of most American citizens. Moral failure and abandonment of God are not things you can legislate or control with elections. They are issues of the heart and until Americans wake up to their sin and repent of it, there is no hope for America. Yes, getting evangelicals to vote could make a slight difference but it would not be a lasting difference. Getting people to turn their lives over to submission to God’s commandments will change the way people think and act and that would be what would then change the country.

  • johmill

    It’s always interesting to read the thoughts of people who don’t think through their argument, and yours is at the top of the list. Just because something hasn’t happened does not mean it won’t. A person can stand in the middle of a road and see a truck coming at them in the far distance. They can say, “It’s going to hit me if I don’t move.” And when it doesn’t hit them right away people could say, “Well, you fool, you’ve said it’s going to hit you but it hasn’t yet. So, obviously it’s not going to.” But if the person stands in that road long enough the truck will reach them and hit them. There may be a difficulty in determining how fast that truck is coming at you so you don’t know exactly when it will hit, but that doesn’t mean it won’t hit.

  • Timothy Allen

    Of course, you’re right. The west is the first thing in the history of the world that is going to last forever…

  • Timothy Weston

    It’s been happening for a generation now and it’s ramping up.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    It is over. Most people don’t have a clue about the underlying dynamics of cultural marxism. Winning this war is akin to trying to stop 200,000,000 drunks from drinking. Good luck. Especially without God.

  • Willard Gibbs

    What a fatuous comment, one that is particularly moronic, even for you (which is saying a lot). The truck “metaphor” was especially idiotic. Pointing out that crackpot reactionaries like you have been wrong 100% of the time throughout history is too profound an insight for a Boeotian such as yourself to understand. My guess is that you are a Southerner and maybe even “educated” there–am I correct?

  • Octoberfurst

    I agree with William Gibbs that your metaphor was idiotic. For it to be true everyone would have to see or know that a truck is coming & that it will hit someone standing in the middle of the road. A better metaphor for your side would be someone standing in the middle of the woods and saying that a truck is going to hit him. And while people around him are saying no truck is coming he keeps insisting that it will—any day now! That’s what your side is like. No basis in reality. Just fear mongering.

  • Jeff_Selbst

    Sorry, but, um, no. Every single word of your rant is incoherent, uneducated gibberish. But thanks for playing.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    God bless you for spelling all those long words! Good for YOU!!

  • Richard Hellstrom

    I wonder what a fair estimate of the gay community will die off in the next 80 years – It would really have to be high – It appears to be more responsive to eugenics than a culture war – I was born in a college town and growing up in the sixties and seventies you heard tons of stories of homosexual harassment squads harassing the locals. Of course the finger generally got directed at the local colleges through a process of Executive funding. One of the good things about growing up in this era was that the older generations were warning the younger ones left and right. Psychological warfare hasn’t really changed since then so you may just want to squint your eyes and laugh.

  • Willard Gibbs

    Not forever, but not because the “ideas” of reactionary crackpots (perhaps like you) deservedly get discarded on the ash-heap of history.

  • Red Mann

    Sorry, you’re amongst the folks who rely on the fantasy of some “divine” punishment for some non-existent “sins” to justify your hateful ideas about a group of your fellow humans.

  • Red Mann

    Ah, the sound of abysmal ignorance combined with overweening arrogance. Atheist’s see no reason to believe in any god or gods seeing that there is not even the smallest piece of actual evidence to support such a notion. This is not believing there is no god, just hat you can’t produce any reasons for belief. So lack of belief in this case is not another belief system much like not collecting stamps is not a hobby.

  • Jeff_Selbst

    Wow. I guess that’s what passes for clever in Gooberland.

  • MarcoZandrini

    Your tinfoil hat is on backwards. The flashing red light is supposed to be on the back.

  • MarcoZandrini

    Do you live in Colorado? Why do I ask? Your post indicates you are stoned! Enjoy!

  • maccamcfc

    Yes, you wasn’t even at the races.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    I got the definition of Atheism from the Atheist.org site, just to make sure I wasn’t making something up myself. I get those retorts about being bald, but the site ALSO used it, too!!! YOUR statement about the stamp collecting uses double negatives (or quadruple negatives) and it is STILL semantics about BELIEF. MANY reasons have been given for belief in God, but to deny them, or the possibility of God, means YOU either KNOW EVERYTHING about everything, therefore can KNOW they are untrue, or simply do not WANT them to be true.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    Sorry, I wasn’t going for clever. But I really didn’t care…… Your reply was so uninteresting and very common (thanks for playing, boy THAT’S been said by a million people over and over again!) , I wasn’t going for clever……Seems that all you can manage is insulting. But you’re consistent. God bless!

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    Nope. Don’t live in a legal state. Wouldn’t matter if I did. Christ is all I need. God bless!

  • Red Mann

    You know using caps doesn’t help make your point, it is like yelling. Sorry, but your beliefs in your gods (all three of them) are based on pure subjective emotion. Well many people give reasons for believing, none are based on actual empirical evidence just feeling and anecdotes. It is not a double negative, it is pointing out the ludicrously of saying lack of belief is a belief. I am not trying to prove a negative, which you are claiming here “means YOU either KNOW EVERYTHING about everything, therefore can KNOW they are untrue, or simply do not WANT them to be true.” I just pointed out that there is no actual evidence for any god or gods. You are making the positive claim that your god exists, so you must show the evidence to back it up.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    Sadly, I don’t have Italics, so there is no way to show emphasis on words. Also I am not bolding entire sentences. I said, ” MANY reasons have been given for belief in God” that can be taken in many ways. You stated, that ( and it does not matter that you put quadruple negatives on it, making a positive) ” lack of belief in this case is not another belief system much like not collecting stamps is not a hobby.” SO go a head a prove how it isn’t, even when Atheist.org even admits it is like a religion!

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    ALso, there is not three gods. but three persons in ONE god.

  • Richard Hellstrom

    FBI or Homosexual Gay Lobby ?

  • Red Mann

    Call them whatever you want, but it amounts to three entities and this was used to help convince the polytheists that Christianity wasn’t so bad, along with all of the pagan celebrations Christianity coopted.

  • Red Mann

    There are HTML tags for italics, caps are consider shouting on the internet.
    http://atheists.org/about-us/aims-and-purposes
    “Atheism may be defined as the mental attitude which unreservedly accepts the supremacy of reason and aims at establishing a life-style and ethical outlook verifiable by experience and scientific method, independent of all arbitrary assumptions of authority and creeds.”
    Nope, no reference to religion there.
    Atheism is treated like a religion for 1st Amendment purposes, but there are no beliefs in anything supernatural or higher power, no dogma and no rituals. Nice straw man though with a twist of tu quoque.

  • BillWestern

    Looking at th trends, one can only agree that yes, we have lost the culture war. It is time for Biblical Christians to disengage. Not retreat, not surrender, but to simply disengage from contemporary culture. “Modern society” mocks us, belittles us, persecutes us. It is time to disengage with home schooling, our own churches led by Godly men, our own communities. Let’s stop bashing our heads against the Godless culture and just abandon it.

  • Marcus

    Citing some crackpot on Free Republic? What next? Citing The Onion as a news source?

  • Willard Gibbs

    Dick (is it OK that I call you Dick?), you are a liberal plant, right? To make right-wing buffoons look even more cognitively challenged than they already are, right? If so, job well done!

  • Richard Hellstrom

    Tinfoil Hats , Tricky Dick , Cognitively Challenged. ? lol – What next ? Watergate – lol I guess our colleges have never seen a dime from the executive in their effort to dictate the social order. Wow ! Somebody missed a giant portion of American History –

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    it is a lack of belief in gods. 2nd paragraph 2nd sentence.

    http://atheists.org/activism/resources/what-is-atheism

    4th paragraph, Two commonly used retorts to the nonsense that atheism is a religion are: 1) If atheism is a religion then bald is a hair color. Bad reasoning I already addressed.

    I never stated that Atheists believed in a higher power. A religion does not have to have a higher power. Once again, I already addressed that in a prior comment by definition of religion. I am stating (again) that the lack of belief, and to not believe and merely semantics, they are one and the same….

    And what of Atheist churches???? People are not attending those merely for 1st amendment purposes. In order to successfully gain religious status, Atheists had to meet certain standards in order to be considered a religion. Not just everyone meets those standards. Getting tax breaks because considered a religion? Using religious liberties in politics because of being a religion? No, its much, much more ……

    Materialism declares that the cosmos is devoid of immanent conscious purpose; that it is governed by its own inherent, immutable, and impersonal laws; that there is no supernatural interference in human life; that humankind — finding their resources within themselves — can and must create their own destiny. Materialism restores dignity and intellectual integrity to humanity. It teaches that we must prize our life on earth and strive always to improve it. It holds that human beings are capable of creating a social system based on reason and justice. Materialism’s “faith” is in humankind and their ability to transform the world culture by their own efforts. This is a commitment which is in its very essence life-asserting. It considers the struggle for progress as a moral obligation that is impossible without noble ideas that inspire us to bold, creative works. Materialism holds that our potential for good and more fulfilling cultural development is, for all practical purposes, unlimited.

    Materialism as a “faith”….. Materialism doesn’t even work for the good of mankind, not really. and faith sounds a lot like religion. As one minded to nothing else but certain science (if the science is unliked it gets dismissed), that is very religious thinking.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    No, it doesn’t. three persons in ONE Deity is NOT three Gods. And No, Christianity didn’t co-opt as much as people think. that is a myth. (sorry, don’t know html code for italics) Since your making some positive claims…. care to back them up with empirical evidence?

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    Atheist.org is a crackpot site??? i guess your right 🙂 It’s a site about those that haven’t learned….. yet.

  • Red Mann

    “Materialism” is not faith, naturalism is not faith, atheism is not faith, all are based on observation, evidence and testing. All religions must have some higher power, the Abrahamic religions have a single god, even though the Christians have split theirs in three plus a raft of saints. Hindu have gods, Buddhists have a higher spiritual plane and on and on. All must gave some higher power or plane nothing of which can be substantiated by any real world standards. If you want to talk about dealing in death, religions have been directly responsible for the slaughter of untold millions of people and the end-of-timers slobber over the idea of the deaths of billions. Most religions have dogma and rituals to supplicate their gods and propitiate their gods. The atheist “churches” are an attempt to get socialization into atheism, there is no worship of any entities.

    Materialism declares that the cosmos is devoid of immanent conscious purpose; that it is governed by its own inherent, immutable, and impersonal laws; that there is no supernatural interference in human life” Pretty much dead on and highly accurate description of the real world devoid of a superstitious, human generated overlay.

    Humanity does, and always has made all the rules including all of the religious ones. Gods and religion are human constructs, man created gods, not the other way around.
    Faith is believing things without evidence and since no religious belief has any evidence to support it, how do you know your beliefs are the supposedly true ones?

  • Red Mann

    Yes, religion, especially Christianity, has coopted ideas, celebrations, gods and myths from other, Christmas and Easter are notably full of borrowings from pagans. The virgin birth and resurrection are borrowed from older myths. The reason Christianity became dominate was Constantine deciding to make it the state religion, the only state religion. The entire Old Testament is a mish mash of myths borrowed from older groups and we know that the entire Exodus story is made up, as archeological studies have shown, no evidence for Israelite slaves in Egypt, no evidence for the parting of the seas, no evidence for the 40 years in the desert, no evidence for the invasion and genocide of Canaan. You need to show some evidence that the stories in the Bible are true.

  • Red Mann

    You cited: Selling Homosexuality to America http://www.freerepublic.com/fo… Yes FreeRepublic is one of the many crazy, lying RW sites around.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    You are making statements, but not showing ANY evidence for what you are saying…..

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    Not all religions have a have a higher power. “Most religions have dogma and rituals to supplicate their gods and propitiate their gods” “most” is NOT all, so some don’t. Once again, I never said there was worship of entities, just that there is existence of churches. You do assume a lot.

  • Red Mann

    Do your own research, it’s all out there. I read from hundreds of sources and I’m not going to make list for you, you wouldn’t look at them anyway. You are making the positive claims that your god exists and that homosexuals are sinners, you are the ones using your unfounded beliefs to demean and belittle your fellow humans, you are the ones fighting against equality based on your religious beliefs that have no basis in fact. How can you attack an entire class of humans based on dubious beliefs? In the past religious people tortured, stoned, hung and burned humans because of their foolish beliefs. Today Christians are killing witches in Africa, your fellow Abrahamic believers are slaughtering tens of thousands all over the world. Religion has done very little in a positive way and very much in a negative way. Religion has been inhibiting human progress for millennia.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    What he is saying has been found to be true in other places as well…..so just because you don’t like the source, doesn’t mean it is ALWAYS untrue.

    I got tired of posting the other sources on every post, so I just picked one out of the group for the page.

  • Red Mann

    Name one. There are tens of thousands of religions in the world so you should be able to name just one.

    re·li·gion
    r??lij?n/
    noun
    noun: religion

    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.”ideas about the relationship between science and religion”
    synonyms:faith, belief, worship, creed; More

    sect, church, cult, denomination

    “the freedom to practice their own religion”

    a particular system of faith and worship.

    plural noun: religions”the world’s great religions”

    a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.”consumerism is the new religion”
    I guess you think the last one really describes a religion, but it doesn’t, it is applying the word religion to some idea.

  • Red Mann

    No, your entire screed about homosexuals is based on pure BS. The techniques you describe are more appropriate to the way religion influences society. Nothing on FreeRepublic has any validity in the rational world. Basically all homosexuals want is to have the same rights and freedoms as everyone else and be left alone to live their own lives, it is you religious folks that fight tooth and nail to deny them using lying, hatred and fear mongering as tools while claiming that is what your god wants. Your religious views and your notions of what your alleged god wants have no business trying to influence the law to deny equality to others.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    I HAVE researched them. but YOU are the one that made the positive claim, not me. I am NOT attacking an entire class of humans. How can you not want to help them???? Oh that right. You are a materialist. if it doesn’t profit you, who cares. if you cant see it yourself. it doesn’t exist. So love does not exist. Caring and compassion does NOT exist. Those are NOT materialistic things that get you ahead or better you, or you can put in a test tube, for that matter, noone really existed in history because you can not empiracally prove they existed. And RIchard Dawkins says its OK to molest children because there is NO right or wrong to in the materialist world either. I DO care about the LGBTQ. but you are so busy attacking ME, that you don’t even know how or why. You just give your silly excuses…….

  • Red Mann

    Bull,

    You said “THe culture war has been going on for DECADES. Whether its acclimating people to homosexual “normalcy” on television with a few “nonthreatening” characters in the 70’s and 80’s and and introducing more and more through Hollywood as people accept ideas through the movies and their tv’s, no matter how ridiculous.

    for example…..one tactic that been WORKING against the family is,”
    Then you quote some stuff. So you are attacking homosexuals.

    I an a humanist and believe in people, I think that empathy is the primary human characteristic, I will help people whenever I can and have been helping others for most of my life. Caring and compassion are human emotions, no higher power needed. People do not need any god to be good nor any devil to be evil, it is simply human nature, but as Steve Weinberg said:
    “Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” The religious extremists attacks on LGBT, birth control, sex education and science are just some of the evil religion is doing right now, in our country. Religious extremists are wasting billions of dollars an their constant attacks, money that could be better spent helping those in need. Creflo Dollar just spent $70,000,000 on an airplane, Benny Hinn has spent untold millions on extravagances for his personal benefit. Every day people are being conned out of money by religious frauds who can’t be punished because they claim they speak for God. And on and on it goes because faith requires no evidence, anything at all can be believed. It is religion that is the perverter of human nature.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    SOME homosexuals are not looking for special rights, while SOME, are militant and are looking to for ANY way to oppress anyone that they think is in their way. if it was truly equal, then polygamous, incestuous, adults that want to have sex with beasts, and even heteros, whatever would be included in their rant, but it isn’t. They want events that EXCLUDE others that aren’t like them, and they want to get others that don’t agree with them sued, fired, silenced, &/ or penalized for even THINKING about not agreeing with them. This is NOT tolerance for those that don’t agree, or allowing to just tolerate them, this is a total push for acceptance at risk of personal liberty. That is unAmerican. I would disagree with ANY group using these measures.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    why? You won’t answer ONE of my queries. YOU make positive claims and won’t back up with evidence and make silly excuses, then just try to tear down what i say and expect ME to do all the work of satisfying YOU with answers. You take my words out of context, make assumptions, and make me repeat myself. this is getting OLD.

  • Red Mann

    I see you’ve been buying into the phony rhetoric the right has been using to denigrate homosexuals. It is very similar to what was, and is, used against blacks, Jews and every other unpopular minority group. You are also buying the idiotic “slippery slope” much beloved by the extremists. “it was truly equal, then polygamous, incestuous, adults that want to have sex with beasts” As far a polygamy goes, your god was OK with it in the OT, in any event what any consenting adults want to do amongst themselves is, to be frank, none of your or anyone else’s business. Children and animals cannot not give informed consent so that will never be legal.

    “they want to get others that don’t agree with them sued, fired, silenced, &/ or penalized for even THINKING about not agreeing with them”

    Utter nonsense. Those getting fines are those “Christians” who think that their religious freedoms include the ability to illegally discriminate.

    “This is NOT tolerance for those that don’t agree, or allowing to just tolerate them, this is a total push for acceptance at risk of personal liberty. That is unAmerican. I would disagree with ANY group using these measures.”
    This is utter BS, a gross distortion pushed by the haters on the right to keep the fear levels up in their base, and to keep the money flowing in.

  • Willard Gibbs

    “I guess our colleges have never seen a dime from the executive in their effort to dictate the social order.”
    Do you realize just how nonsensical a statement that is? Of course you do! Again, it is just your ironic way of mocking crazy right-wingers!

  • Red Mann

    It’s old because you cling to your fantasies. You said you did research, how about

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/The-Exodus-Does-archaeology-have-a-say-348464

    or this

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_Exodus

    You could find your own, of course if you go here http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm
    You’ll get the Biblical, wishful thinking, view.
    Real archeology has found zero evidence that supports Exodus and much against it.
    You still can not produce any valid evidence for you god and to justify the attacks on LGBT that extremist religions are waging, or the attacks on science, the attacks on the poor, the attacks on women and so on.
    I have read tens of thousands of words about these subjects and watched hundreds of documentaries so I don’t need you to teach my anything, but you still offer no evidence for you positive assertions.

  • Cruach Phádraig

    I quite enjoy the label “reactionary.” Empires and nations fall and fail, but the Holy Roman Catholic Church does not!

  • Richard Hellstrom

    Sure I do – Just like the vast federal money their receiving today to sponsor their vast anti Semitic and Homosexual political agendas today ! Let me guess. Your 15 and you’ve never been outside your house !

  • Willard Gibbs

    “Your 15 and …”
    I do not need to guess. YOUR ignorance of English proves YOU’RE a complete moron.

  • stringman

    Let me get this straight. You don’t think that an out-of-wedlock birth rate over 50% (over 70% in the black community) is a disaster of Biblical proportion in America? You dont think that growing up without a father in the household has a profoundly negative effect on children and families and society? You dont think that families living on government assistance (instead of working for a living) destroys the sense of self-reliance and creates a mindset of dependence in its place? You dont think that the rugged individualist mentality that brought about this greatest nation is required to maintain it and, will collapse without it.

    I see.

  • stringman

    Crackpots may be crackpots but, your head has completely split open from the spew of venom gushing from it. To fear for the future of ones country does not require insanity, necessarily. To be consumed with ones own hatred for this author and commentors does.

  • stringman

    I would have used the metaphor of standing on seldom used railroad tracks. But, there is little doubt that those who do not wish to comprehend will use any reason not to.

  • stringman

    That’s right, genius. The universe just popped out of nowhere with no rhyme and no reason and to no end. Here’s a reason. Without an afterlife, what we (humans) do here has no ultimate value or meaning. You may like slogging through your daily existence believing it has no value. The rest of us see it slightly different.

  • stringman

    Islam was/is a cult more than a religion. Aside from that, the Stalinists, the Maoists, the Nazis, and followers of Pol Pot were all atheists. You do the count for yourself. But, I can assure you that it is in the hundreds of millions slaughtered.

    I’m sorry, what were you saying about religion and slaughter?

  • stringman

    Pay no attention to the Red Mann. He went to public school. You cannot reason with the brainwashed ones.

  • Red Mann

    Islam is a religion, a religion that has direct control of government and culture in many countries, just like Christianity used to be in Europe. That fact that those communist happened to be atheists in that they didn’t believe in gods does not mean they acted in the name of atheism. In fact, they couldn’t since there is no atheistic ideology, rituals, dogma or structure. Communism was much like a religion, it has dogma, ideology, a hierarchy of “saints”, beliefs untethered to reality etc. The Nazis were almost all Christians, Hitler proclaimed that he was doing Christ’s work. It is a typical ploy of trying to tie those people and philosophies to atheism, sort of a desperate tu qouque to obscure the evil that Christianity did for millennia. Those people worshiped and craved power and had megalomaniacal delusions of world domination, much like the triumphalist religions of Christianity and Islam that had stated goals of world domination.

  • Red Mann

    Oh, it makes more sense to believe that some supernatural power spit into the dirt and made humans out of the mud, that women were created from a rib taken from Adam. It makes perfect, reasonable sense that the all-powerful, all-seeing, all knowledgeable creator of the universe, after having poofed everything into existence like light before the Sun, plants before rain then lost track of his creations and had to hunt for them in the garden of Eden, then had to destroy them all because they were following his all perfect plan, even though he must have known what they were going to do ahead of time and then to make up for this mistake he sends himself to be killed to save those he didn’t need to destroy. All this in some tiny, insignificant speck on the globe, in a less than minuscule planet in a speck of a solar system in a mediocre galaxy out of thousands of galaxies. Yep, that makes perfect sense rather than the theories that have actual evidence that can be observed, tested and be used to make predictions. You sure are a smart fella.

  • Joe Soap

    Well lets see how you cultural warriors have been getting on for the last 50 or 60 years.

    Remember the 50’s when they invented Rock and Roll. We’re against it because it’s the devil’s music. What do we have now? Heavy Metal, Rap. Hip hop, Pop music. Looks like people like the devil’s music after all.

    Remember when a glimpse of stocking top was considered racy? What do we have now? America has the worlds biggest hardcore porn industry. It has a bigger turnover than football and baseball put together. It’s most popular in the southern states BTW. You naughty good ol’ boys.

    Remember when movies made married couples sleep in separate beds? Well now couples, threesomes, same sex, don’t have to be married at all to sleep in the same bed. All in technicolour and surround sound.

    Remember when being gay was illegal? Now being gay isn’t only legal but in 37 states, maybe soon all 50 states, it will be legal for gay people to get married.

    I could go on but I think you get the idea. The fact is when it comes to the so called “culture wars” you nutters have been well and truly crushed. All you have left is whinging on sites like this about how rotten everything is like Grandpa Simpson on a bad day.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    Actually, I stopped paying attention to him because it got OLD….fast. He kept making assumptions about what i said, and NEVER did answer about the semantics that the Atheist site stated. He cherry picked what he liked and ignored what he didn’t. Public school or not is no problem , but yeah, he is firm in his belief…sad. It takes a willingness to listen, to reason. Pure science and the the bible go hand in hand, but when scientists put agenda into their science, nothing goes right for anyone. Thanks for your input and insight.

  • Willard Gibbs

    Thanks for the vacuous and intellectually empty comment.

  • Willard Gibbs

    What I think is you better learn how to use an apostrophe in your conjunctions before posting verbal sophistry. You’re welcome.

  • Willard Gibbs

    Based on your many inane posts, you have a lot of nerve of accusing others of not comprehending. Quite amusing, actually.

  • stringman

    A non- reply at best. Delusional self-superiority at worst. I am not writing for a grade. Just to insure others dont miss your glaring absurdities.

  • stringman

    You were casting pearls before swine. I wanted you to know that some of us noticed the jewels.

  • stringman

    Oh don’t be stupid. If the real description of how the universe came into existence had to be written down three thousand years ago, not only would no one understand it but, it would be thousands of pages long…..and that would just be the first book of the Bible. As it is, it was only put together in that way so that everyone could gain something from the telling of the story…..which, at the time, was passed along verbally, because there was no written version. And, as far as Noah’s Flood, there was no knowledge of how vast the world was at that time. So, any major flood would be only a local event and all-encompassing only from a very subjective experience. The story was embellished as it was verbally passed along. Any fool can see the utter impossibility of world wide flood destroying all of mankind…..or a boat to preserve two of every creature. Or, the absurdity of all mankind descending from two humans. Any fool….including you, can see that a Bible containing the truth of all existence would be the size of an entire library. Very few would read it….or even begin to comprehend it. The people of the ancient middle east did the best they could with their limited understanding. It is not so feeble when considered in that light. That you refuse to accept any knowledge or wisdom from these ancient greats is only evidence of your own feebleness.

  • Red Mann

    Nice try, but utter nonsense. Real knowledge comes from the real world and science is the best, and so far, only way to do that. Your relaxed take on the Bible stories is in direct confrontation with the millions of Biblical literalists who insist that every word in the Bible is absolutely true. Then of course we have the ones who think some stories are absolutely true and some are metaphors, the problem is there is no reliable criteria for deciding which is which so the division varies depending on circumstances. People are no smarter now that they were 3000 years ago, we just have a better way of accumulating knowledge and understanding the world around us and no supernatural causes need apply.

  • stringman

    Oh lighten up. The dumb masses are just that. Everyone is allowed to decide for themselves. I’m not going to let those people or you spoil my good time. I am able to reconcile science with scripture. Back then there was no science. It’s all in context. You should know that, if you’re even half as brilliant as you think you are.

  • stringman

    There it is. People can make up their own ethics, right and wrong, good and evil. We don’t need thousands of years of human history to help us decide. We’re modern and progessive and smart, not like those old people. All that old timey stuff is soooo passe’. Children don’t need married mothers and fathers that work and are responsible. Nooooo, all they need is the government. Those nice government people are all soooo compassionate and smart and know so much better than we poor peons. They can straighten out this messy business. If only we would just turn it all over to them. They’ll handle it. Everything will be utopia. Relax. Nothing to worry about.

  • Jeanine Schaefer

    You are very kind. I like giving anyone a chance, but thank you.

  • Red Mann

    Lighten up?! While the political/religious extremists right in this country drives us toward a theocracy combined with a plutocracy and thousands of people a murdered monthly by religious extremists around the world, where people are scared to say or do things like publish cartoons for fear of being murdered by childish religious freaks who think science is nonsense. I’m glad you can ignore all of this crap and the almost certainty that millions and millions will be dying as a result of the chaos climate change will visit upon us. Sure, kick back and have a nice day.

  • Red Mann

    Sure, people make up their own ethics like all non-straight people are evil and must be controlled, that all immigrants are bad and must be kept out, that the laws of the nation must reflect their, and only their, beliefs, that saying the slightest thing against their god/gods is worthy of death. The free market will take care of everything, letting everyone share in the largess, just look how well that is working now with the massive redistribution of wealth, uphill from the poor to the rich. Let people do whatever they want to their kids, after all, they own them. Let them homeschool them with absolute nonsense, keep them from getting proper medical care, indoctrinate them into foolish beliefs when they are not old enough to understand. Let the poor, the young, the sick and the elderly die because we don’t need that damn gummint interfering. If them lazy, no good poor can’t get a job. let em starve. That’s the American we: “This here’s America, we don’t take care of our own.” especially “with MY hard earned money”. Selfishness and greed, that’s the True American (TM) way.

  • stringman

    Wow, I’m just pleasantly surprised that you recognize that the world is on fire and that we are in danger. But, we are not in danger from Christianity in our own country. At the very least you should have noticed how far left this current president and administration are. His own pastor and mentor of twenty years, the Reverend Jerimiah Wright, is consistent in his condemnation of anything traditionally American. Obamas entire administration is made up of communists and Muslim Brotherhood operatives. The leftist media fawns over him as though he were the second coming.
    No, we are in no danger from Christian right wingers and theocratic government as long as we are electing the likes of Obama and co.

  • stringman

    Oh, I’m fully aware that the cosmos arrived on scene approx 13 billion years ago from a massive explosion and, has been evolving ever since. I do believe that humans evolved from early single cell creatures and began walking upright a couple million years ago. But, humans three thousand years ago could not have known any of that. And still, they formulated the first ethics by which society could thrive. We should not discount that.

    I have studied college level astonomy, physics, biology, etc. and been keeping abreast of advancements ever since. Most people cannot or will not be bothered with all that. It’s truly a shame that, with all the knowledge so easily available, most people will remain at a level that can be described as (at best) uninformed. But, that’s the way it is.

  • stringman

    Nice talking points…..However, those are examples of margin behavior that get headlines. None of that is mainstream by any stretch. If you believe it true, I fear for your sanity.

  • Red Mann

    That’s fine, seems like we’re mostly on the same page, but this:
    “If the real description of how the universe came into existence had to be written down three thousand years ago, not only would no one understand it but, it would be thousands of pages long…..and that would just be the first book of the Bible.”
    implies that there was knowledge of the universe already in existence that could have been written down. Who or what had that knowledge at this time and decided not to write it down so as not to confuse the humans of the time? That clearly implies a sentient outside force. Who or what is that force to you?

  • Red Mann

    So close, yet so far. Rev Wright was specifically reference the shabby treatment of blacks by the majority whites throughout American history right up to the present day. He was questioning the phrase “God Bless America” wondering why his god would bless such a country when it should more likely be damned for its unsavory behavior. This is certainly not “consistent in his condemnation of anything traditionally American”.

    Obama is not even slightly to the left, he is really somewhat to the right of Reagan. His signature work, ACA, was originally a Republican idea developed by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by a Republican governor.

    You slide way over the edge with this: “Obamas entire administration is made up of communists and Muslim Brotherhood operatives.”

    Complete and utter nonsense. And this:
    “The leftist media fawns over him as though he were the second coming.” This bears no resemblance to reality, both these are well worn rightwing lying points.

    We are in great danger from a theocratic movement gaining power, the entire GOP has become God’s Own Party and all their main players are essentially evangelical preachers. Check out the speakers for this year’s Values Voter Summit (http://www.valuesvotersummit.org/)
    Check out the New Apostolic Reformation and their goals to take over the entire culture. Check out the influence of fake historian, David Barton who has the ear of the Republican Party with his Christian Nation nonsense. You are among the deluded if you think that we are not in danger from the political and religious right.

  • Red Mann

    Marginal behavior my keister, this is the platform of the TP that drives the Republican party. Sounds like you get most of your “knowledge” from Fox News. This is a lot more mainstream that you care to think.

  • stringman

    Great question…..but I have no answer. In all my searches and studies, I always come up against one immutable fact. The universe is infinitely large and diverse. With all our knowledge of the smallest known to the largest discovered, we are on a small speck in the middle of nowhere and, all of creation is swirling about us. But, our every day is here, with only each other. We’re not going anywhere except this planet. It’s all we will ever have in this lifetime. How we treat each other is all that counts. This moment. It’s incredible to comprehend that all of creation comes down to this moment.
    How it all got here, who can know? Was there a before? Physicists say that time and space itself were created at the instant of the big bang. What ever came ‘before’ was beyond time and space. A concept impossible to grasp. But, I still believe there is……something.

    It’s up to each person to evaluate.

  • stringman

    You’re just reading the wrong magazines my friend. Where is it referenced that Obama is right of Reagan? This I have got to read.

  • stringman

    You know these people, personally? I keep hearing about them but, I’ve been a republican for over 40 years and, I’ve never met them. Totally write it off to fear mongering.

  • Red Mann

    “It’s up to each person to evaluate.”
    Yes, everyone can have their own opinion, but they can’t have their own facts. There are no facts whatsoever to support the notion of your “something” while all the facts we do no support a universe with no sentient guiding force, just matter and energy interacting in highly complex ways. It is a bug in the human mind that seeks a meaning, a higher power, a god to explain that which really doesn’t need explaining. There are other hypotheses other than the Big Bang. As knowledge increases as we learn more and more about the universe, new theories are formed or older ones are expanded to take it into account, but nothing supernatural nor “higher” forces are needed.

  • stringman

    Vacuous and empty? Hmmmmm, must be completely, completely (sic) devoid of content lol!

  • Red Mann

    I don’t read magazines, I read dozens of web sites and lot’s of books and I use my over sixty years of experience to evaluate what I read. Sixty years including more than 12 years living in foreign countries. I don’t need to be told that Obama is not a leftist, it is obvious, he supports many of the programs Bush started, drones, coddling Wall St, spy programs etc. His late coming support of homosexuals is based on both his humanity, it’s the right thing to do, and the political expediency after noticing that the majority of Americans support homosexual equality. Your notions about his support of/from communists and Muslims is pure, unadulterated BS.

  • Red Mann

    http://www.talk2action.org/

    http://www.rightwingwatch.org

    http://mediamatters.org/

    https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/
    are just a few sites that are outside of the RW bubble and echo chamber.
    I can name a dozen or so RW sites that trade in lies, distortions and delusions.

  • stringman

    Yes, I’ve heard all that before from those who wish there to be no ultimate meaning. I don’t subscribe to the bearded old guy, God of the Bible. But, the one thing that cannot be explained by science is: How does a universe pop out of nowhere? You can, of course, believe whatever you want. But, here we are. How did we get here? Until someone can provided that explaination, I will believe that something caused it all, intentionally.

    ‘Accidents’ happen but, only after things come into existence.

  • Red Mann

    Some would say quantum fluctuations, why do we need to think that someone or some sentient thing was required, why not, “it just happened”? That, at least, fits the data. Why do you need to insert extraneous entities?

  • AndRebecca

    That’s because they are based on the Roman Empire and are in it for themselves. They are only against true Christianity because it liberates people. They aren’t against Marxism and have never been against it. They want a piece of the earthly pie.

  • AndRebecca

    What hateful ideas are you talking about?

  • Red Mann

    That gays are sinners, that homosexuality is a choice, that some god will destroy America if we don’t punish gays, that gays are pedophiles, that gays recruit children etc, etc.

  • AndRebecca

    It is an inevitable trend because the people at the top want it. The self appointed rulers. They use people for their ends. If you had ever actually read Karl Marx or V.I. Lenin or F. Engels you would know it has nothing to do with Chicken Littles. You back murderers. Did you miss hearing about WWI, WWII, The Russian Revolution, North Korea, China? How is it there in La-La land?

  • AndRebecca

    When have reactionaries been wrong? Russia is a third world toilet.

  • AndRebecca

    Gays are sinners, homosexuality is a choice. If we elevate sodomy to the same level as Biblical marriage, we will be in trouble. What was the Hastert thing about?

  • Red Mann

    Sin only has meaning within your own religion, it has no legal application. Homosexuality is not a choice, it appears to happen during development when sex is determined. Sodom has no legal meaning, it is just another unfounded religious belief. Religion by the way, is a choice. Biblical marriage has no legal meaning. What Hastert did was abuse children which is not connected with homosexuality and, in any event, SSM is between to consenting adults. How is allowing consenting adults to enter into a loving union with full legal rights hurting you? Hint, it’s not, what they do is none of your business. If you don’t like SSM, don’t have one, if you don’t like homosexuals, don’t associate with them, but you have no business whatsoever to try to use the law to deny their equality or to dictate to them in any way.

  • AndRebecca

    You don’t know what you are talking about. The laws in this country are based on the Bible. In order to get rid of Christianity, certain things have been done since the 1950’s. A marriage is a public vow. That makes it the business of the public. I understand you have to make things up in order to have your beliefs. Your whole lifestyle is made up, and we are all supposed to live in la-la land to please you and the other anti-Americans in the country. And, the Bible was a reaction to all the sin in the world, including homosexuality. Those Greeks and Romans were really disgusting pieces of human debris. In case you haven’t noticed, homosexuality is not the only thing we’re supposed to put up with. Same old disgusting stuff. The founders made a beautiful country, which the Left hates.

  • Red Mann

    You’ve been listening to the phony “history” of David Barton. The laws of this country were definitely not based on the Bible, not in any way, shape or form. Religion does not own any public anything and marriage is not a religious event. The Bible, my dear, is a lot of made up stuff, borrowed stuff with a little history and common sense mixed in. It has no basis in fact or reality. Christianity came into political power when the Roman Emperor, Constantine, made it the state religion of Rome. The Roman Empire, by the way, was Christian when it fell and it fell to other Christians. Yes, the founders made a beautiful, secular country freed from the yoke of religion, which the right hates. It was the equivalent of today’s religious right that objected to the Constitution because it didn’t mention God or Jesus and claimed that adopting it would cause God to destroy the new country. Some things never change. Go learn some real history.

  • AndRebecca

    You’ve been listening to the phony revisionist history of the Marxists, like Howard Zinn. The laws in England were based on the Bible and our laws are based on English Law. You are really uneducated, just like the brainwashed coming out of the schools today. You are getting our revolution mixed up with the French Revolution, where they murdered the Christians and went for atheist dictators.

  • Red Mann

    So wrong, so very wrong. There is nothing in our laws that are based on Biblical law, in fact the 1st Amendment is a direct violation of the 1st Commandment or vice versa. Sadly you are the obviously uneducated one. The Founders were all students of the Enlightenment and were much closer to the evil that arises when church and state are intermingled and they, very deliberately, kept religion out of government. I was educated in the 50s and early 60s so your “brainwashed coming out of the schools today” fails miserably. The brainwashed ones are those coming out of religiously orientated home schools were ignorance abounds. I am very well aware of the differences between the American and French revolutions and your arrogant tone grounded in your ignorance is insufferable.

  • AndRebecca

    http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/documents/1600-1650/mayflower-compact-1620.php You really need to read the Marx trinity as well…They stated this country is based on Christianity and their books say to get rid of it. You dolt. Try reading the American documents above. Try reading Engels’ “Origins,” and tell me it is not directed at getting rid of the Christian West. The book stated Capitalism is based on Christianity and in order to get rid of the one the other has to go. That type of garbage is what Marxism is about. I am sorry you think you weren’t brainwashed if you went to school earlier. And, as an aside, Engels stated in “Origins” that the biggest brains of American Indians are half the size of an average Anglo’s brain. Hope that helps. Lovely people the Marxists…

  • Red Mann

    The Mayflower Compact has zero to do with the founding of the United States. This was the document of a religious colony who fled Britain because their sect was being persecuted. They came here, founded a colony and immediately started to persecute anyone that did not believe as they did. They hung a few Quakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_martyrs) and drove out others such as Roger Williams. What does your fetish for Marxists have to do with anything? They have had almost zero influence on anything in this country, except in the minds of conspiracy nuts like Joe McCarthy, the John Birch Society and todays TP driven Republican Party.

  • AndRebecca

    Yes, you are a commie. Who knew? You don’t even know the correct history of the Puritans due to revisionist history, which you just accept. What a pity. The Quakers had their own colony and ex-communicated people in it. They harassed the Puritans in their own churches. Roger Williams was told to start his own colony if he didn’t want to follow the rules. During the entire time, the “religious” group you have left out are the Unitarians… They were outlawed in the colonies but were there causing trouble for the Christians, infiltrating their churches, just like they do today. They, and the Quakers are behind the gay liberation movement and are behind the bad press the W.A.S.P.s get…What passes for religion on NPR and PBS is Unitarianism. The Unitarians accepted Marxism in the late 1800s and you don’t see it because you don’t want to. You base your beliefs on nothing. You are not scholarly. You have no grasp on history, but want to argue it anyway. Documents don’t empress you. The necessity of reading the Marxists goes right over your head.

  • Red Mann

    Wow, what an ignorant statement. I’m a commie because I challenge your beliefs? Because I don’t believe in your silly religion? You know nothing of real history, just your distorted, religion driven babble. You really need to get a real education and maybe learn what Marxism really is. Hint, almost no one in this country is a Marxist and even if they are, Marxism, of itself, is not some evil, satanic philosophy, just another way of looking at things. Not a very practical, realistic way, but no less silly than believing in some magic man in the sky controlling everything.

  • AndRebecca

    You are just the guy/girl Marxists are looking for. We have Marxists in the schools today teaching revisionist history and you are unaware of it. We have Marxist dictatorships all over the world and you are unaware of them. I suppose Bill Ayers doesn’t exist and the mayor of New York is not a communist. Do you drink a lot? https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/parties/cpusa/1935/07/organisers-manual/index.htm

  • Red Mann

    What a delusional, pathetic life you lead. Hurry up and hid under your bed. The commies are coming!

  • stringman

    Well Geez. Just who and what do you think George Soros is….besides the primary financial force behind mediamatters. Even a short look at his background is enough to set anyone’s teeth to chatter. I wouldn’t give two cents for any their points of view. How is it you have come to using them as a source?

  • stringman

    Really lol!? Quantum fluctuations is a scientific sounding term that means ‘ghosts in the machine’. It means they don’t know. …and even if they did, quantum or not, something set the ‘fluctuations’ into motion. I mean, if you don’t like the way reality ‘rolls’, I can understand that. Some people don’t like the Constitution. But, I’m not throwing it away either, until I see what the replacement looks like. You don’t like this realm? Tell me your plan for a better universe. Because it seems to me that this world is pretty bloody amazing and offers an endless variety of challanges, all of which will elicit some character out of even the most contrary individuals. And, ‘It just happened’ is something my teenaged kids say when they are trying to avoid responsibility for their actions. You better step up, mister.

  • stringman

    Commentor please. Just because something has republicans involved doesn’t make it right winger, necessarily. There are legions of liberal and socialist leaning republicans even in Congress. The entire American political spectrum has shifted so far left that JFK would be tossed out of the democrat party on his ear for saying, ‘Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country’. Imagine any politician saying that today. They wouldn’t stand a chance in today’s elections.

    Or imagine a black civil rights leader saying that we should look at the content of character instead of the color of skin. Have you heard Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson or any other black leader utter that type of language in the last 20 years?

  • Willard Gibbs

    Thanks for the inane non sequitur.

  • Willard Gibbs

    Becky (may I call you Becky, or do you prefer And?), let me guess that you are from the South and maybe even “educated” there. While you might be the sage of your trailer park, please refrain from these silly posts, as you are only embarrassing yourself and the former Confederacy. But I will pray for you. You’re welcome.

  • Willard Gibbs

    You must stop listening to the voices in your head. They are even dumber than you, and that is saying a lot.

  • stringman

    Oh, you’re soooo witty. I shall dub thee Witty Willard. (The name William Shakespeare was already taken)

    Do shower us with more, oh witty one. Clap, clap, clap, clap…..oh I can’t stop clapping for Witty Willard. Stop hands, stop.

  • Willard Gibbs

    Do everyone a favor and stop posting your flatus vocis comments and go back to counting your toes (or whatever you do for entertainment).

  • Willard Gibbs

    Now I just feel bad for you. So I will pray for you. You’re welcome.

  • Cruach Phádraig

    Against the “true Christianity?” It is a shame that you do not understand the power of intercession that Our Lady with Pope John Paul II. I am referencing what was set in the statue crown of Our Lady of Fátima.

    Never against Marxism, eh? Try visiting the Kryži? kalnas in Lithuania.

  • stringman

    Says who? Apparently, you have limited knowledge of nuclear physics. The structure of atoms is exacting to the point that every atom has a perfect balance of particles by which it functions. There is an equal number of protons and electrons in the universe. Atoms diversify as they are put through the process of star formation that, coincidentally comes about, from just the exact amount of gravitation attraction to make formation possible. Slightly more or slightly less, there would be no stars, no planets, no life.

    Look more closely. All nuclear physicists agree on the basic structure of atoms – protons, neutrons and electrons. But, the smaller the structures we examine, the more complex the picture becomes. It is long past the point now, that (anyone that really looks) can see that the atomic picture is so complex that no one will ever come close to completely understanding it, much less arrive at the all-encompassing unified field theory that we have been persuing for almost a hundred years. Quantum physics for example, while useful for building nuclear weapons and reactors, breaks down when put to more exacting theories. Biologically, no scientist has ever be able to explain how DNA, that makes life possible, came about. Much less be able to reproduce as much as a single gene or chromosone from scratch in a lab. Do I believe these things just popped into existence by magic? No. But I also do not believe that it is even plausible that they came about by accident. And, you shouldn’t either.

    Oh, there are lots of theories, some you will probably try to use to rationalize your position. But, the picture is so infinitely complex, that no one is going to convince me that there isn’t something more than ‘It Just Happened’ at work.

  • stringman

    Says who? Apparently, you have limited knowledge of nuclear physics. The structure of atoms is exacting to the point that every atom has a perfect balance of particles by which it functions. There is an equal number of protons and electrons in the universe. Atoms diversify as they are put through the process of star formation that, coincidentally comes about, from just the exact amount of gravitation attraction to make formation possible. Slightly more or slightly less, there would be no stars, no planets, no life.

    Look more closely. All nuclear physicists agree on the basic structure of atoms – protons, neutrons and electrons. But, the smaller the structures we examine, the more complex the picture becomes. It is long past the point now, that (anyone that really looks) can see that the atomic picture is so complex that no one will ever come close to completely understanding it, much less arrive at the all-encompassing unified field theory that we have been persuing for almost a hundred years. Quantum physics for example, while useful for building nuclear weapons and reactors, breaks down when put to more exacting theories. Biologically, no scientist has ever be able to explain how DNA, that makes life possible, came about. Much less be able to reproduce as much as a single gene or chromosone from scratch in a lab. Do I believe these things just popped into existence by magic? No. But I also do not believe that it is even plausible that they came about by accident. And, you shouldn’t either.

    Oh, there are lots of theories, some you will probably try to use to rationalize your position. But, the picture is so infinitely complex, that no one is going to convince me that there isn’t something more than ‘It Just Happened’ at work.

  • Red Mann

    A lot of words that say nothing. So we don’t know every fine detail of everything, science never makes that claim. There will always be a lot we don’t know, which is a good thing because learning will stop if we knew everything. What we do know is that there is no need to introduce an extraneous entity to explain anything, nothing points to such a thing and everything points to things are the way they are because that’s the way they are, from the complex interactions of energy and matter.

  • Red Mann

    There are not “legions” of liberal and socialist leaning Republicans, there are some moderates who are attacked by the TP crazies and primaried out of office for not being sufficiently nuts, ask Cantor. Your comment about Kennedy is stupid. Check out what TP fav Rick Santorum had to say about Kennedy.

  • Red Mann

    https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/a-mathematical-proof-that-the-universe-could-have-formed-spontaneously-from-nothing-ed7ed0f304a3 just one of the many articles on the subject. Nothing to do with ghosts in the machine, just theoretical physics.
    I have no plan for the universe since that’s nonsensical, but if we could get people to be less greedy and self-important, believing that their religious views trump reality and all other religious views, or better yet, do away with superstitious nonsense altogether, the world could possibly improve.

  • Red Mann

    George Soros is not the primary force behind Media Matters, he made a single contribution and there is nothing wrong with his background. The Nazi thing is a RW bald-faced lie and the way he made his money was perfectly legal, free market ya know. He also help Eastern European countries out from under the yoke of communism. Get some real facts. Take a longer looks at the RW money men, buying politician after politician so they can get favorable treatment to protect their billions while the rest of the country suffers from RW draconian budget cuts. Your side is the one screwing up the country.

  • AndRebecca

    There isn’t anything delusional about me. I hit a nerve. You commies are getting sloppy.

  • AndRebecca

    Oh, you don’t like me talking about Mother Russia that way?

  • AndRebecca

    One thing is for sure, you commies need to come up with new material.

  • AndRebecca

    True Christians believe Christ is the savior. Ever heard of Chiara Lubich? You can pray to her, too. Have you heard of South America? The priests help the Marxists take over countries there. They like a two class system, the rulers and the ruled. Ever hear a peep out of them about Europe being taken over by Socialists? No??

  • AndRebecca

    So, what did you win?

  • Red Mann

    The fact you actually think that there are communists that have any influence in this country is absolutely delusional as is the fact you don’t even know what communists actually are. Hint, the threat of communism that was so popular in the 60s never existed in the first place and certainly doesn’t exist now.

  • stringman

    The country got along better than any country in the history of mankind before there was massive government taxation, massive government spending and crushing government debt, causing the federal bond rating to be downgraded for the first time in our history. The way you think, you are what Stalin described as a ‘useful idiot’.

    I really tried to reason with you. It’s a truly hopeless endeavor.

  • Red Mann

    Right, robber barons, child labor, sweat shops, black lung, the good old days. The bond rating drop was caused by the Republican forced sequestration and it is mostly the idiotic supply-side nonsense and the Republican’s suicide no tax pact that has put us in such a position. That along with no serious regulation on the sub-prime mortgages that were the primary cause for the 2008 meltdown. You listen to the RightWingNoiseAndLyingMachine too much. Your beloved Republicans owe their souls to big business and extremists religious freaks, they are harmful to our country and way of life.

  • Willard Gibbs

    No point wasting new material on a brain dead Boeotian like you.

  • Willard Gibbs

    I just don’t like you. But I will pray for you. You’re welcome.

  • Cruach Phádraig

    “True Christians believe that Christ is the savior”; and Catholics don’t? When we pray to outstanding people like Ms. Lubich, we just ask for her intercession to God on our behalf; there is a significant difference.

    Your views about Catholics in South America would come as a surprise to people like Che Guevara. He saw us as part of the problem that required elimination.

    As for Europe being taken over by Socialists: if you mean the Communists of the late 40s through 90s, then do read up on John Paul II, If you mean Europe of today, then read up on Evangelli Gaudium where Pope Francis describes the dangers of commercialism where there is a real danger of idolizing money over more important things in life.

  • stringman

    Nope. The collapse of real estate market was caused by lenders who were forced to offer high risk loans to ‘make home ownership possible for everyone.’ This was the new progressive mantra, that everyone should be able to own a home. Before that, government was in charge performing bank audits to ensure that banks were NOT making risky loans. That system had been in place since the great depression when banks were loaning money for people to gamble in the stock market. It was called margin investing and lead to the stock market collapse.

    Senators Chris Dodd and Barney Frank rammed The Community Reinvestment Act through Congress. It was supposed to help people with bad credit buy homes. Of course, the banks didn’t want any part of it until Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac (government backed) were created to buy up all the risky loans so that the mortgage lenders wouldn’t be strapped with them. These ‘investments’ were put in the bond market and easily sold because they had a higher rate of yield. The original high risk loans came with a much higher interest rate to offset the potential for default.

    Bottom line, If banks were making bad loans right under the noses of government bank auditors then, it’s was because government was allowing it. And, I’d say, that’s the same as encouraging it.

    Naturally, real estate prices boomed because there were millions more homes being sold. And where there is a boom, there will be a bust. What goes up, must come down.

  • Red Mann

    More disinformation from the right. This is the story you want, so this is the story you believe and the RightWingNoiseAndLyingMachine happily fulfills your wishes. You have been grossly disinformed by those that don’t have you best interests at heart but you support them anyway. You have drunk too deeply from the BS river flowing down from BS Mountain, there is no hope for you.

  • stringman

    I would make the same accusation of you, except in reverse, of course. The difference is that you are not using logic. Bank examiners had to have noticed the huge number of loans made to bad credit risks. It is there job to keep that from happening. Why was it allowed to continue? The government regulates the banking system. I specifically remember the news report about President Bush claiming that the system was in trouble, that Freddie Mac and Fannie May were creating a dangerous situation. People were financing crazy huge loans to buy very little house west coast and east coast.

    I remember vividly only months before the crash, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd denying that there was anything wrong.

    You are simply living in a fantasy.

  • Red Mann

    Well Forbes thinks we’re both wrong: http://www.forbes.com/sites/briandomitrovic/2012/03/13/the-weak-dollar-caused-the-great-recession/2/

    Here’s a very detailed analysis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Recession

    It appears the causes of the debacle that cost millions of people jobs and home were varied and complex, but the main thrust points at the greed of too many in the system with some help from shaky government policies from 2000 to 2007. Your wild accusations against Barney Frank, CRA and Fannie Mea/Freddie Mac don’t hold water. Of course the conservative knee-jerk calls for austerity only make a recession deeper and longer.

  • stringman

    So, while the rest of the world is certain that this recession was the result of the housing bubble collapse, you deny it?

  • stringman

    Beware this episode of discussion and comments. I believe the one called Red Mann to be, what can only be described as, a paid democrat operative. Check him out for yourself.

  • stringman

    Don’t be such a wimp. Something gets every one of us in the end. And, what went on in this country was no worse than any other for that era.

  • AndRebecca

    Wow, couldn’t figure out how to get on the communist site above? Right, there’s no I.W.W., never was. No labor unions loaded with communists, never were. The CPUSA doesn’t exist. The Marxists don’t have websites…See where it says https://…above? click on it….Let some light seep into that brain…

  • AndRebecca

    I’m wounded. I may never recover.

  • AndRebecca

    Ohhh….If it only mattered that you like me, or if you pray for me.

  • AndRebecca

    Oh give me a break. Pray to a statue or whatever else floats you boat. Here’s a good one for you to pray to, Thomas Merton. A great anti-American. He was for all the Left wing causes… Deny what still goes on in South America. Did the pope feel hurt about the takeover of Venezuela? What did he say about it? How about the legalization of pot in that country?… Yes, I’m sure the pope says shame, shame once in a while to the Socialists in Europe while they do whatever they want, like have kids out of wedlock. Actually, has he said anything about that? I think not. Socialists are about materialism, secular humanism, and blatant sex and are for making money in corrupt ways and for praying to statues.

  • Willard Gibbs

    No, really, I am praying for you. You’re welcome.

  • Willard Gibbs

    You must be used to getting wounded by intelligent people like myself. But I will pray for you. You’re welcome.

  • AndRebecca

    Or what is commonly known as a troll. One conservative site sued a coven of trolls and won some good money recently. Something to consider.

  • AndRebecca

    Trolls like you…hmm. Pray for me if it floats your boat…it will certainly do nothing else for you or me. You are stuck in a time warp or something. You keep repeating yourself. Something about Catholicism and Marxism wrapped up in a great package. You are confused. But, Marx would call you a useful idiot. You’d make a great labor union schmuck.

  • Red Mann

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You are ridiculous, that crap is from 1935 and is just one person’s opinion. Listen up honey, there is no, repeat no, communist and/or Marxist influence on American politics. Besides which Marxism isn’t some evil boogey man, it’s just a rather misguided economic/historical notion. Now go back to hiding under your bed with your childish paranoia.

  • AndRebecca

    Gosh honey, you figured out how to get on the site. I’m not paranoid in the least. But, you are brainwashed beyond belief. Is there good money in being a communist stooge?

  • Red Mann

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You said “commie stooge”! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What a joke.

  • AndRebecca

    Crazy is the new normal, you fit right in.

  • Willard Gibbs

    Marx never called anyone a “useful idiot,” but the phrase has been attributed to Lenin. Of course there is no reason to expect a mental midget like yourself to know history or facts or things like that. And I am not a Catholic (or a Marxist for that matter); why you brought that up is known only to you and the voices in your head. It must be nice just making stuff up–I guess that is how you pass the time in your trailer park. But, still, I will pray for you. You’re welcome.

  • AndRebecca

    So you’ve read Marx? A communist who has actually Marx? I seriously doubt it. As far as trying to put a frame on your schizoid personality, I’m only going by what you’ve stated in your rants so far. Which of the voices in your head do you follow? Does it tell you to do bad things to people? A sure sign of craziness.

  • Willard Gibbs

    What a brilliantly nuanced reply! Not that you refuted my comments (since they are irrefutable) but you did show how a cognitively challenged person such as yourself spews inanities when it finally dawns on her she is not impressing anyone with her verbal diarrhea. It is sad and pathetic at the same time. I actually pity you. And will continue praying for you. You’re welcome.

  • Red Mann

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You funny.

  • Cruach Phádraig

    Thomas Merton was so anti-American that he received his American citizenship?

    As for anti-Americanism, it appears that your people would rather celebrate this:
    http://honolulupride.org/

    rather than remember this:
    http://omaha-beach-memorial.org/

  • stringman

    LOL! He actually tried to tell me that Obama is further to the right than Ronald Reagan! Now, that is nuts.

  • AndRebecca

    I’m O.K. and you are not! But, we already knew that. Can’t help our DNA, it’s science you know.

  • AndRebecca

    Glad you are laughing! I’ll say it again, crazy is the new normal…now laugh!

  • Red Mann

    It’s your pathetic craziness that I’m laughing at, as do all rational people. Unfortunately, craziness is the new normal for the right, you people will believe any nonsense no matter how foolish and childish. Your ignorance is a threat to the future of our country.

  • AndRebecca

    You people? Pray to Merton, please. It will give you a way to pass your time.

  • AndRebecca

    Crazy is the new normal for the country. You fit right in.

  • Red Mann

    Yes, and the crazy emanates from right, from fools like you who love to believe in lies, love to spread hate and fear because that’s all you’ve got. The right is the enemy of America.

  • Willard Gibbs

    How do you come up with these? My guess is that you hear them from neighbors in your shantytown. Am I right?

  • AndRebecca

    You guys are the crazy ones. But, when you are crazy, you really are unable to grasp that concept. It’s kind of like being stupid. Stupid people think they are smart and really can’t think any differently because you need a brain to know you are stupid. See how that works? I didn’t think so.

  • Red Mann

    You mean like stupid people who actually believe that there are *gasp* commies running around despite the reality that there aren’t any? How about stupid people that don’t know history and think that the United States was founded as a Christian country? You define stupid.

  • AndRebecca

    Whatever happened with your obsession with trailer parks? Now, it’s a shanty town. Yes, we have lots of shanty towns in America to worry about. If you just imagine!

  • AndRebecca

    Gee, who would think an obnoxious “Red Mann” would have a problem with people knowing there are commies running around the country. And, the Christian remark. What a prize you are.

  • Willard Gibbs

    Just when it appears you couldn’t come across more cognitively challenged, you post your most incoherent comment yet.

  • AndRebecca

    Ah, so clever of you.

  • Willard Gibbs

    Thanks, but being called clever by you is not saying much.

  • AndRebecca

    Do you think I’m being insincere?

  • Willard Gibbs

    No, I am convinced you believe the inanities you post. That is why I will pray for you. You’re welcome.

  • AndRebecca

    How’s trolling? Are you paid by the line?

  • Willard Gibbs

    No, I am pointing out your many deficiencies for free. You’re welcome.

  • AndRebecca

    So far you are 0 for 10.

  • Willard Gibbs

    What a waste product you are. So sad.

  • AndRebecca

    Crazy is the new normal, I’m just trying to fit in with you nut-balls. Sorry if it doesn’t do anything for you.

  • AndRebecca

    I am so happy I made a misogynist like you sad. It is sickening to have to deal with slime like you, but I do it.

  • AndRebecca

    Again, who cares?

  • AndRebecca

    God does care about me. I know that. He’s not associated with you.