Accuracy in Media

Socialist Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is running against some—but not all—billionaires. On Saturday, at a campaign appearance in South Carolina, he singled out the Koch brothers as “greedy.” But Roger Morgan, the author of a book on hedge fund operator and billionaire George Soros, wonders how greedy Soros has been, and whether the media will bother to take a look. He notes that the hedge fund operator’s net worth rose from about $9 billion before President Obama took office to over $24 billion today.

How did this happen? Was he just a good investor? Did he have inside information? Was he the beneficiary of crony capitalism? Why don’t the investigative reporters get busy on this story?

We have searched in vain for anything in the public record suggesting that socialist Sanders is concerned in the least about how Soros has made his money. While the Koch brothers make products that are useful to people, Soros manipulated and exchanged currencies to make his initial fortune. He was convicted of insider trading in France. His currency manipulations against the Bank of England, which damaged the Pound and hurt the investments of ordinary people, earned him $1 billion.

These maneuvers would seem to make him a more attractive target for a socialist like Sanders. Yet, Sanders is silent on Soros. Why?

The answer, quite simply, is that Soros has poured a lot of his money into socialist causes. One of the biggest causes into which Soros has poured millions of dollars is the legalization of dangerous drugs. In March, when Sanders spoke at Marianne Williamson’s Sister Giant conference, he appeared on the same stage as Lynne Lyman, California state director of the Drug Policy Alliance, a major Soros-funded group. Williamson, a so-called New Age spiritual teacher, ran for Congress and advocated legalizing marijuana.

Publicly, Sanders supports decriminalization and “medical” marijuana. But Chelsea G. Summers of the New Republic discovered a 1972 Sanders letter to a local newspaper, in which he said he supported abolishing “all laws dealing with abortion, drugs, sexual behavior (adultery, homosexuality, etc.)” as part of his campaign for the governorship of Vermont.

Does this mean the legalization of LSD, heroin and cocaine?

In addition to the marijuana legalization movement, Soros money has financed the “Occupy” movement and various other Marxist-oriented groups such as Critical Resistance, founded by long-time communist Angela Davis. Her goal is to empty the prisons because, she argues, they are filled with victims of capitalism.

Soros isn’t the only billionaire financing groups or causes that Sanders believes in. Others include billionaire environmentalist Tom Steyer, billionaire gay activist Tim Gill, and billionaire anti-Second Amendment advocate Michael Bloomberg.

But Sanders only wants to talk about the billionaires who support conservatives or Republicans.

When Sanders appeared on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on September 14, 2014, host Chuck Todd tried to not let Sanders get away with his charges against the Koch brothers without having to answer for the left-wing billionaires behind socialist causes and the Democratic Party. The issue at the time was the Supreme Court decision called Citizens United that allowed corporations, labor unions and others to exercise First Amendment rights of free speech and political advocacy in elections.

Sanders said, “The Koch brothers and the other billionaires are going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars. That is not a way you bring about change. We’ve got to mobilize the American people.” Todd responded, “Let me ask you on that billionaire front: Is there such thing as a—If a billionaire agrees with you on issues are you okay with them participating in the process? Or do you think this entire process, whether it’s Tom Steyer or Michael Bloomberg or the Koch brothers?”

Sanders tried to evade the question, saying, “Chuck, I think Citizens United will go down in history as one of the worst Supreme Court decisions ever. I think it is opening up the road to oligarchy in the United States of America, where the billionaires, like the Koch brothers…”

This somewhat confusing exchange then ensued:

Todd: Left or right?

Sanders: Left or right, but it’s mostly right. Let’s be clear about it. It’s not fair to give…

Todd: This year it’s, yeah, they have, they’re…

Sanders: And it will always be.

Todd: …spending more money.

Sanders: It will always be. Look: The Koch brothers are going to spend four-hundred million dollars. Do you know what their agenda is? Do you know what they believe in? Let me tell you what they believe in. This is what they told us. They want to end Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. More tax breaks for the rich and large corporations. Nobody in America wants that except the billionaire class. And yet they are now able to put hundreds of millions of dollars into the political process. This is a real danger to American democracy.

Todd let Sanders get away with far too many wild charges in that exchange. First of all, the charge about the “billionaire class” wanting to completely end all social welfare programs is a gross exaggeration. Some of these programs clearly have to be modified before they go broke. According to the bipartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, Social Security last year paid $73 billion more in benefits than it raised from taxes. Sanders should be pressed on his irresponsible failure to support measures to reform the system to make sure those who paid into it get their benefits.

What’s more, it’s not the case that so-called right-wing billionaires are more active than those on the left. In 2014, PolitiFact, a group that purports to review political claims for factual accuracy, reviewed a list of 22 billionaires active in politics and found that 13—or more than half—gave predominantly to liberal groups or groups affiliated with the Democratic Party. The other nine gave predominantly to conservative groups.

According to Sanders, the Koch brothers are hoping to spend $400 million in this election cycle. Contrast that figure with the fact that, over the last 32 years, according to their own estimate, the Soros-funded Open Society Foundations had expenditures of almost $12 billion. In 2014, the Open Society Foundations said they had expenditures of $827 million.

These figures are not, of course, considered direct spending in elections or on behalf of candidates. But these funds support organizations that engage in political activities that may have even more of an impact than the money that goes directly into issue advocacy or the indirect and direct funding of campaigns. For example, over the 32-year period, the Soros Foundations concede they spent $1.5 billion “to promote reform in the United States on issues such as criminal justice, drugs, palliative care, education, immigration, equal rights, and democratic governance.”

All of these are loaded terms that involve substantial sums of money for left-wing political activities. The term “criminal justice” means getting people out of prison. The word “immigration” means more legal immigrants and illegal aliens in the U.S. The word “drugs” means making dangerous mind-altering substances more available to the public. And on and on it goes.

One of those terms, “palliative care,” is worth additional review and comment, especially because the Republicans have failed to stop Obamacare, and it is continuing to take root and unfold. Ione Whitlock of LifeTree, Inc., a pro-life group, has called “palliative care” a form of “imposed death” to be used on old people whose lives are said to be too costly for the health care system to maintain. LifeTree has documented Soros support for what Whitlock calls the “Big Death” lobby, being implemented under the Obamacare legislation.

Since Bernie Sanders seems to be so concerned about the elderly losing their Social Security benefits, perhaps he ought to take a look at what the Soros-funded “Big Death” lobby is up to. The aim seems to be to get the elderly out of the way so they don’t collect benefits.

Sanders can’t possibly defend that, can he?




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Comments

  • Capnmikey

    “Socialism is just a step towards communism” Lenin It always fails because of idiots like Bernie Sanders. Obama is just a puppet of George Soros and his Open Society Institute. It is time for Trump!

  • John Cunningham

    Ain’t it amazing Liberals harp on the Koch Brothers and, their are probably twice as many Liberal Billionaires, This Tom Steyer basically put a bounty on Republicans in the 2012 election. George Soros, I am surprised Israel doesn’t have a bounty on him. He helped the Nazi’s collect valuables from the Jews before they were gassed. Soros is a Jew himself. People had better wake up and study up on your Garden variety Liberal. The name Democrats no longer fits for all those who worshiped JFK or FDR. It is more like Communism now.

  • reggie

    Makes perfect sense. Kill off the elderly then you don’t need Soc Sec.
    Re soros: wonder how much of those extra billions came from his spanish company that counts our votes. obama is nothing more than his boy. Get real here, soros is the president.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    It’s not about reality, it is about perception.

  • John

    Keep drinking the kool-aid…

  • Steven Barrett

    Sigh, more of the same old same old. Before we know it AIM will be running screeds calling Bernie Sanders a “hypocritical crypto self-hating Jewish Red.”
    Next thing you know AIM will pull some “miraculous proof” like another reel of “evidence” in a pumpkin patch way up in Vermont containing “irrefutable proof” that Sanders is behind the recent topless dispute in Manhattan. This is retrograde “gotcha ex post facto journalism” at its basest and most mean-spirited levels.
    And from the looks of what I’ve read below, AIM’s done a good job of stirring up the juices of the same kind of small-minded anti-Semitic bigots. If it keeps drinking its usual same bile-flavored kool aid at this early stage in the campaign, one can only imagine how many more Jews and Gentiles it’ll offend enough to send rushing into the Sanders camp; if for no other reason than revulsion at this “level” of “political discourse” and “reportage.”

  • Dr_Michael_Savage

    So, I know you’re a big grown up Director of Investigative Journalism, but you do realize that if Sanders succeeds in overturning Citizens United he turns off the spigot for both the Koch Bros. and Soros right? So he would actually be reducing the influence of this evil billionaire you so distrust. As well as the unions and the other 12 large spending liberal billionaires you mention.

    So if liberals are spending more than conservatives, and he’s stopping them all, then he’s actually hurting liberal political influence more and standing up for his principles before his ideology. If anything this article serves as a huge reminder of the integrity of Mr. Sanders.

  • Pumpkin King
  • Pumpkin King
  • Pumpkin King
  • Pumpkin King
  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Yep, the socialists have subverted the “Christian” women to cut their hair off to look like men, wearing shorts and showing off their breasts and their tattoos. And then this socialist is dressed like the true Christians. But that’s just following your god, Karl Marx, who obviously studied what the devil did in the garden. So, it’s really a usurpation of God by the followers of the devil. That is the heart of socialism. Man wanting to be God. But in reality a pitiful servant of the devil.

    Isaiah 14

    “12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

    15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”

    Playing God is an act that only lasts for short time. Light overcomes darkness. Darkness can never overcome light.

    Life is but a vapor. Is it really worth it? Spending all of eternity in hell? When you can repent and get right with God?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Rule #1 Communists lie.

    Communists have a long, well documented history of doing and saying anything to get into power. Period.

  • Pumpkin King

    Let me get this straight: You think socialist women who wear shorts like my girlfriend are evil and are going to hell? My girlfriend wears shorts, her short hair, and is socialist. She would mock you by pursing her lips in the shape of an o and making kissing sounds at you and shake her finger at you tauntingly if you said that in front of her.

  • Pumpkin King

    Let me get this straight: You think socialist women who wear shorts like my girlfriend are evil and are going to hell? My girlfriend wears shorts, her short hair, and is socialist. She would mock you by pursing her lips in the shape of an o and making kissing sounds at you and shake her finger at you tauntingly if you said that in front of her.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    So what.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    That’s because socialism is based on rebellion. It’s not real bright for a man, to get involved with a rebellious woman, sooner or later she is going to rebel against you. You big dummy.

  • Pumpkin King

    You didn’t answer the question. Do you think that my socialist girlfriend is going to hell because she wears shorts?

  • Pumpkin King

    *Rolls eyes* Yes, my girlfriend is a “rebel”. She wouldn’t “rebel” from me because I am not trying to control her. You can’t rebel from someone who never had any power over you to begin with. Our relationship is based on love, not dominance. I am a socialist just like her, btw, so we have the same values.

  • Pumpkin King

    “That’s because socialism is based on rebellion.”
    What is?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    All of Karl Marx is based on rebellion. In
    his Freuerbach thesis #4, Karl Marx said, “Once the earthly family is
    discovered to be the secret of the heavenly family, the former must be
    destroyed through theory and praxis.” What Marx was saying was that the traditional family, the father in particular, that rebukes and chastens
    it’s children, is working out God’s system of righteousness. The family
    is therefore God’s “secret.” Destroy the family and you can silence God. All socialist movements are based on liberating sin, from the earthly father and the heavenly father that says this is wrong. You are lying when you say that your relationship is based on love. Marxist ideology preaches licentiousness. If a child runs out toward a busy street and the father shouts “DON’T GO OUT INTO THE STREET,” marxist ideology calls this mean-spirited, venomous, etc. But who is it that holds the child in contempt?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Oh absolutely, I am a born again, fundamentalist Christian saved by the grace of God. I can tell you with complete confidence that your girlfriend is going to hell. Socialism is satanic at its root. Read Richard Wurmbrand’s book Marx and Satan.

  • Pumpkin King

    You know nothing about our relationship, it absolutely is based on love. You have everything backwards. It is capitalists that don’t love each other, because they love money. Socialists like my girlfriend despise money.
    Secondly, both I and my girlfriend treat each other as equals. I don’t try to dominate her, if I ever did that then she would have every right to rebel from me.
    Thirdly, we don’t plan on having any kids.

  • Pumpkin King

    What disgusting nonsense. My girlfriend is a good person who has never hurt anyone and she volunteers at a charity that helps people. She is not satanic, she happens in fact to be a fan of Pope Francis. Your god would send her to hell because of her honest political opinions and because she wears shorts? Wow.

  • Pumpkin King

    While we were coming back from the movies, I told my girlfriend about your posts, and she doubled up laughing at you. She says to tell you that she is not going to hell and that it’s none of your business if she wears shorts or cuts her hair short. She also said that you sound like a very unhappy person, but she is not going to judge you like you judged her by saying you are going to hell. I then asked her what she would do if you had said everything you said to her face.
    Just like I predicted, she made her lips form a perfect O and started making very loud mocking kissing noises at me (pretending I was you) while shaking her finger at me tauntingly. Love her! 😉

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    How does any of this nonsense change the fact that she is going to hell?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Romans 10:3 King James Version

    “For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.”

  • Pumpkin King

    You believe that it doesn’t matter if my girlfriend is a good person, or if she would never hurt anyone, or that she tries to help people in need – the fact that she is a “rebellious socialist” is enough to send her to hell. You are blind as a bat.

  • Pumpkin King

    “How does any of this nonsense change the fact that she is going to hell?”
    Because by taunting you like that, she is showing you that she doesn’t believe she is going to hell for one second. My girlfriend usually answers insults in that manner: making a perfect O with her lips and making very loud kissing noises at whoever is insulting her.

  • Vardette

    Oh Please- There is a reason why Vermonters vote for Bernie over and over and it has nothing to do with your above tabloid reporting, I saw a documentary on the TV that the Koch brothers are going around the nation and paying off local reps to change laws that benefit corporate interests and voters know nothing about these changes. This is real dangerous sabotage,

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Truth IS fact, and not opinion.

  • Gaijinman

    https://youtu.be/LO5sbwGCR7A Soros isn’t and wasn’t necessarily working against Zionism nor any of the elite liberals in that club.

  • Non of your business

    So let me get this straight, you’re for the black market drug trade. Because that’s what happens when you criminalize behavior. Apparently you didn’t bother to even look at what the Koch brothers have put money into supporting. Like the following, clearly you’re just as much of an idiot as the MSM:

    decriminalize drugs,
    legalize gay marriage,
    repeal the Patriot Act,
    end the police state,
    cut defense spending.

  • Non of your business
  • Non of your business

    Well that and he doesn’t even know anything about the Koch Bros either. https://reason.com/blog/2011/02/24/evil-koch-bros-support

  • Non of your business
  • JJW

    Bernie is not a communist. Socialism is not communism. They are two different things. All you have to do is look up the definition.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    I’ve studied marxist ideology for years. You need to go buy yourself a clue.

    https://youtu.be/DDGgdUP6tCc

  • This is a ridiculous article. Bernie Sanders is threatening the billionaires, so they’re striking back by trying to tar him with their own brush.

  • Motown

    Then you should know that, as far as (even modern) Socialism goes, Bernie is extremely benign.

    Unless of course by “studied marxist ideology” you really mean “watched youtube videos by a well known McCarthyist”. In that case, you probably couldn’t tell Michael Moore from Rudolf Abel.

  • Ian

    Exactly. The reason the programs are “not taking in enough money” is because the wealthiest people in our country and the largest corporations receive ridiculous tax breaks. The logic is.. “if we raise their taxes, they’ll go somewhere else”… Or “If we raise their taxes, they’ll stop producing”. Both arguments are ridiculous. Billionaires make money. If you raise their taxes, they just make more money

  • PunkyAmerica

    So then get a clue: “The key difference between socialism and democratic socialism is that democratic socialists don’t want the government to own the means of production and socialists
    do. They believe that certain general social goods like health care
    should be run by the government, but otherwise support capitalism.” Get that? Democratic Socialists are CAPITALISTS. As you say, truth is fact, not opinion.

  • PunkyAmerica

    Wow. This is Accuracy In Media? Not impressed with my first visit. Maybe if the author knew what Democratic Socialism was, he’d understand why Sanders doesn’t mind certain kinds of billionaires: “The key difference between socialism and democratic socialism is that
    democratic socialists don’t want the government to own the means of
    production and socialists do. They believe that certain general social goods like health care should
    be run by the government, but otherwise support capitalism.” Get that?
    Democratic Socialists are CAPITALISTS. Sanders goes after capitalists who exploit our role as taxpayers, and more of them happen to identify with the Right.

  • Linda A. Roberts

    Sounds like you don’t want to legalize drugs, allow gay marriage, or stop Citizens United. This article was very bias and fails to show how Sanders is corrupt or complicit in any way. When billionaires pay their fair share Soros will too. Im behind Bernie 100%. I hope his vision for America is embraced by at least 51% of the population.

  • noregret

    kek, a marxist is a marxist dude, its the same trife; much of the ideologues in ussr did actually believe the trash they espoused

  • Dylan

    “There is no difference between communism and socialism (yes, even democratic socialism), except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end; communism proposes enslavement by force, socialism – by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.” To quote Ayn Rand. Democratic Socialists, or any Socialists for that matter, have to use Capitalistic elements because a pure socialist society with no competition falls in to poverty faster than dropping a boulder 2 feet off the ground. They use Capitalism (which has been proven to bring the most people out of poverty and bring equality and opportunity to the classes) to bring about the enslavement of everyone, corrupt the majority utilizing the Democratic process, and use the force of the State.

  • Motown

    That card really doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny. I certainly wouldn’t claim that America is Marxist, yet we have many socialist policies. Even Canada, or Sweden couldn’t be described as Marxist, and they’re tendencies are considerably more socialist than Sanders’. Never mind the USSR. What a silly comparison.
    Don’t claim to be an expert and then sweep everything under the rug. The details make the difference.

  • Josh G

    What are you talking about, there are far more conservatives who are billionaires! Also as someone from one of those socialist countries US is so far to the right it is not funny. When you compare your left wing with Communism it is very hard to take you seriously. You clearing have no freaking idea about what the terms mean or how the rest of the world functions!

  • John Cunningham

    You are inside out Guest. More Wall St. Business leaders vote Democrat. Way more Billionaires Liberal than Conservative and to think you see Communism as a Right Wing Ideology only means to me that you have been educated in this newer extreme Left Wing Educational system.
    Socialism is the birth mother of Communism and Nazism. You are one stupid Liberal. If I was you I wouldn’t allow myself to be subjected to the hilarity of your stupidity on line.

  • rosehouse

    Your waste your time and can’t tell what is communist and socialist.

  • wakethefuqquplibtards

    Practically all Democrats who support Capitalism will likely soon find a new home in the Republican Party or the Libertarian Party, the Democratic Party voters have revealed their Communist agenda with Bernie Sanders.

    If you look at countries that are considered Democratic Socialist countries, like Sweden, they’re more aligned with mainstream Republicans or Hillary Clinton, Bernie is far left of all of them, in fact, he’s not a Democratic Socialist at all, he could be called a Social Democrat but I prefer he get the proper label, a Communist.

    The sad part is many “liberal” Democrats have been attacking “right-wingers” when most Democrats are themselves right wingers (even further right than Adolf Hitler) because Liberalism (and the whole foundation of America) is PURELY right wing ideology.

  • wakethefuqquplibtards
  • wakethefuqquplibtards

    You are correct. Bernie Sanders is not a Democratic Socialist, Democratic Socialists are far right from Bernie Sanders, Bernie Sanders could be considered a Social Democrat, but it’s best that we use the proper name for him: Communist. He’s part of the Communists’ takeover of the Democratic Party and if Democrats who value Capitalism in the least must wake up and either kick the Communists out of their party or let them have it and join forces with either Republicans or Libertarians.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/19997-top-u-s-communist-boasts-that-party-utilizes-democrats

  • wakethefuqquplibtards

    Do you value property rights? As in if you work for something, do you believe it should be yours? Or should it be anyone who wants to use (live on or spend) it? If so, a vote for Bernie is a vote against your own interests.

    Do you consider an equal share fair? As in everyone pays the same percentage regardless of their income? If so, then Bernie most certainly isn’t your guy.

    Do you benefit from Capitalism in any way? Hell, do you even understand Capitalism??? If not, watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJr2RO7g7jI

    Are you in favor of Liberalism? (a political ideology that values the freedom of individuals — including the freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and markets — as well as limited government.) If so, you are a right wing person and a vote for Bernie is a vote against your own interests, and now would be a good time to wake up.

    Bernie is not a Democratic Socialist, examples of Democratic Socialism would be Hillary Clinton and the country of Sweden, both FAR right of Bernie Sanders because they support Capitalism and Bernie opposes Capitalism, thus making him a Communist.

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/19997-top-u-s-communist-boasts-that-party-utilizes-democrats

  • wakethefuqquplibtards

    Democratic Socialists are Capitalists, Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democratic Socialist, he is a COMMUNIST. If you base your claim of being a “socialist” off of supporting Bernie, you have absolutely no clue as to what you’re talking about.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJr2RO7g7jI

  • Jan Kever

    If the Republicans could keep their hands out of social security it wouldn’t be going broke morons, but then again they have said that same thing for 60+ years… and there is still social security..

  • Jan Kever

    Socialism isn’t communism. In the U.S., the public roadways are a socialist system, the military is a socialist system, social security is a social system (an easy one there), public parks are socialist, Welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, OSHA, on and on and on and on…. those are all socialist systems that you have partaken in your entire life.

  • Izzy Freedmanovich

    Parliament Funkadelic dance romp to: “We Want The Trump! Gotta have that funk, oohhh. We Got The Trump!”

  • Austin

    Bernie is of course, not far left of parties in Nordic countries. Its quite opposite. Canada for example has 3 major parties, center, left, and far-left. In the US Sanders literally the first presidential candidate with this much momentum who you can truely call “far-left”. He would be called “left” in those countries.

  • Austin

    Haha and Its hilarious people still go around calling leftists communists. Are we in the 1940s?! Is Norway communist? Sweden? Great Britain, Canada, Germany? No. They are all based on free enterprise Capitalism, are rated highest in the world for business, prosperity, health, happiness. As Capitalists. Who invest in the well-being of their entire country, because they understand in the end it benefits themselves too. Can we please get over the red scare, and have logical discussions on the important issues? Sanders is not trying for a Cuban, Venezuelan, or North Korean (actual communists) type of Gov. Dont let FOX make you think silly.

  • Austin

    False. The Center for Responsive Politics In 2012 reported, of dark money spend in that election, over 80% came from Rep-leaning outfits. Go look it up. Provide me withsomething that says otherwise.

  • Austin

    What power? When has a “communist” in the United States been in Power?

  • Austin

    No one should be able to spend unlimited amounts of money to influenxe politics. Period. in 2012, 80% of dark money came from Reps, “leftist billionairs” have to keep up or it will be entirely dominated. Take out all money, period. Publicly funded campaigns, not Koch (or Soros, but he doesnt even do this) should be able to elect dozens of Govonors, $900M in 2016 election. Thats F’d up!

  • John Cunningham

    Liberal talking points. If I gave you proof positive your statement was wrong you would just go to another lie. Liberals are really good at Party Politics.

  • John Cunningham

    The reason European Countries and Canada are not Communist is the United States wouldn’t allow it. The People of Europe are Sheeple and deserve the ring in their nose.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Get a clue.

  • Austin

    …Kinda like what youre doing right now? Because I just gave you proof positive, that you, were wrong.

    I just cited a report written by a nonpartisan organization that tracks money in politics, started by both a Dem and Rep. Did you look it up and now claim its somehow untrue? Or just assuming I pulled a lie out of my ass because Im a liberal?

    As I said, youre doing exactly what you claim I am doing. Standard Conservative talking points. Not addressing a fact given, attacking it as “lies”, bolstering “knowledge superiority” but ever failing to actually cite a fact, by means other than just rhetoric and opinion.

  • Austin

    LOL

  • Austin

    Im trying to get some facts. Not hearing any.

  • Austin

    Henry Wallace was the closest a “progressive”(/communist apparently) got in office, as vice president against Truman. Almost a hundred years have passed, and Sanders is the next. Thats it. Someone please provide me info explaining the “we need to take America away from the decades of leftism”.. Uh? Even Obama is Rep-Lite.

    USA, has never, and obviously will never get close to “Communism”. To say that Sanders is going for Venezuelan-style social/communism is laughable. Capitalism will still dominate, conservative friends, no need to fret.

    “Rule #1 Communists Lie”…?
    Was Ho lying to his fellow people that the French were occupying Vietnam as colonialists, as they did for 150 years? He lied about that to gain power?

  • John Cunningham

    Column B! Now I look up your ghost organization and find good and bad about it and then we argue the merits of your argument. The fact you are a Liberal makes me win all arguments with you.

  • Austin

    Thats obviously a loaded assumption aimed at discrediting multiple nations political successes. Again, none of those countries are even close to “communism”, theyre fully democratic with a capitalist driving economic force. What else do you want?!

  • Austin

    Great… pleasure dissecting reality and hashing out the issues with you. You’re obviously superior to any questioning or informational conversation. In your head you may win all arguments. However now, on the internet and typed out, you unfortunately dont.

  • John Cunningham

    No they are not. The only reason for Europe and Canada’s freedom is America. Now if Barack Obama had the guts he would have tried to stop that. Ultimate Power corrupts unless it is checked by a bigger power. That’s a fact.

  • Austin

    …Not even close to a fact. Almost all the Nordic countries are on the Forbes list as TOP countries in the world friendly for business, national prosperity, happiness, education etc. Denmark has been #1 for business for years. Not capitalist? Think again. “Liberal lie?” look it up yourself, take it up with conservative magazine Forbes.

    Obama is Rep-Lite. Extended Bush Tax Cuts indefinitely. Does that sound like a Communist? Get real.

  • John Cunningham

    Only because America has their back. Being a Liberal you must be very naive. Or, your you have an agenda. Time to stop this filibuster now.

  • Austin

    Haha ok.. again and again, throwing around your opinion, as I present you with facts/research every time. Shoot me an article or a study that leads to any evidence or understanding of what youre saying, to any degree, and I will consider how naive and ignorant I am.
    Until then, I believe my agenda is truth, provided by history and current events; I get plenty of conservative attacks about ignorance, idealism, etc, but never any factual informative statements that have led me to think differently.

  • xHoneyBunny

    WOW. John. Do you even know how this works? You said, ” If I gave you proof positive your statement was wrong you would just go to another lie.” You have literally LITERALLY done just that. Why can’t you actually have a discussion with Austin. You made a point and now Austin so far has proved your point wrong.

    Just because you say something it doesn’t make it true.

    On a side note this is precisely the reason why Bernie would like free college tuition for all. So that YOU can go to college and be an informed citizen that knows how to think critically. Everyone should be given the opportunity to learn the fundamentals of research and backing up their claims or refuting others claims with facts. You are severely lacking in that department.

    You can’t just prove your point based on opinion no matter how many times you say it. Telling someone that you automatically win all arguments because they are a liberal has got to be one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard in my entire life.

    Please take the time to re-read what you have written and see why it doesn’t make sense. It’s okay to be wrong sometimes ya know? But if you research something before making an opinion about it, it makes a claim that much stronger and then you can get into really meaningful discussions without having to sound like you don’t really know what you’re talking about.

  • xHoneyBunny

    I really feel that fundamental critical thinking and/or research courses should be required in America. I feel you Austin. I go through this every other day when trying to have a discussion. lol. Just keep on keepin on.

  • John Cunningham

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    WOW. John. Do you even know how this works? You said, ” If I gave you proof positive your statement was wrong you would just go to another lie.” You have literally LITERALLY done just that. Why can’t you actually have a discussion with Austin. You made a point and now Austin so far has proved your point wrong.

    “Just because you say something it doesn’t make it true.”

    That last statement is exactly what I am talking about. I have never heard of the place he refers. Do you know how many legitimate and phony outfits saying they no what is going on?

    If I had disputed the statement we would just go on to another. Liberals make up their own rules as they go along hoping, someone won’t check it out.

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Former CPUSA president Sam Webb told Russia Today a few years ago, that the U.S. will be full socialist by the early 2020’s. The CPUSA has a better track record than any conservative. Communists predicted the U.S. would accept gay marriage back in the early 90s. The entire nation practically, has moved from a patriarchal structure to dialectic thinking. It is clear that people are being conditioned to accept collectivism.

  • wakethefuqquplibtards

    Hillary Clinton is aligned with Sweden. Republicans aren’t far from her. Bernie on the other hand is far left of Sweden, and pretty much every other Capitalist government or government official, except Communists, he’s closely aligned with Communists.

  • wakethefuqquplibtards

    Communism is Socialism, it’s just a more advanced stage.

  • C.d. Anderson

    Good post.

  • C.d. Anderson

    Seriously?

  • disqus_smWiOrvPtd

    Seriously, What?

  • georgechapo_gas

    Using a 1972 opinion on drugs against him?